Fix Busch Stadium!

[DrewD007]

In the trailer, the outfield scoreboard says "Cardinals Field", just like last year. It's supposed to say "Budweiser", but I can understand why that's not in, but at least put Busch Stadium on it.

[JoeCoolMan24]

In the trailer, the outfield scoreboard says "Cardinals Field", just like last year. It's supposed to say "Budweiser", but I can understand why that's not in, but at least put Busch Stadium on it.


Maybe License thing? There are things at US Cellular field that arent the same, like the color of the wall for instance. lol. They made the wall green, when its actually blue.

[CARDS2501]

i noticed the Busch thing too its ridiculous that 2 years in a row its going to say cardinals field...Miller Park and Coors Field have no problems why should Busch

[UnderPressure]

At Fenway Park, they have that big Visual Concept ad shown in cursive writing instead of John Hancock. Now that's funny.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Same With Fenway, it has Visual Concepts in the cursive instead of John Hancock.

It is a licensing thing all sports games do.

Mmmmm Beer!

[MetsFan4Ever]

In the trailer, the outfield scoreboard says "Cardinals Field", just like last year. It's supposed to say "Budweiser", but I can understand why that's not in, but at least put Busch Stadium on it.

"Busch" is still a brand of beer. They won't put that in the game.

[CARDS2501]

"Busch" is still a brand of beer. They won't put that in the game.


why not miller and coors are in the game

[EnigmaNemesis]

why not miller and coors are in the game


I doubt it is not a big conspiracy as to why they don't. I bet it is a licensing thing.

[MetsFan4Ever]

why not miller and coors are in the game

I don't know about that, but I do know that gaming companies have censored beer and cigarette brand names out of games in the past.

[CARDS2501]

well they call the stadium Busch Stadium in fact Jeannie Zelasko calls it the new busch stadium in the pregame shows so its not a beer thing or a licensing thing. What it is, is very simple before the stadium was completed you could go to stlcardinals.com and see actual artists renderings of what the new ballpark was going to look like and at the time that they were drawn and posted they had not yet reached an agreement with Busch to keep the naming rights so the people that made the renderings just wrote Cardinals Field. In my opinion 2k just took these renderings last year and made the new stadium out of them without ever having been to the stadium because most likely the stadium building part of this game was done long before the actual completion of the real Busch Stadium so it was understandable last year to have Cardinals Field above the scoreboard. This year is another story though it just seems like a detail that they neglected to change for the new version of the game.

[CARDS2501]

this is a link to the original artists renderings
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/photogallery/season_2003/stl_ballpark/page_04.jsp

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/season_2003/stl_ballpark/08.jpg

[MuffinMcFluffin]

In the trailer, the outfield scoreboard says "Cardinals Field", just like last year. It's supposed to say "Budweiser", but I can understand why that's not in, but at least put Busch Stadium on it.There are bigger Busch Stadium issues. You're a Cardinals fan, right? So, you would probably know the seating of the new stadium a little bit since you know what it says above the scoreboard. Anyway, here's a shot of Busch Stadium on 2K6:


http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/696/696860/major-league-baseball-2k6-20060317042543875.jpg



As you can see, the other decks that aren't the lowest deck don't extend in the outfield area as much as they should, opening the ballpark much more and making it look... well... a little strange. As a matter of fact, they end at the foul poles. What's worse is the backdrop... nothing like downtown St. Louis. Look at a real life photo:




http://www.redbirdcentral.com/Assets/New_Stadium_wallpaper_1.jpg




Hell, even their renderings have it like that. Hell, let's face it... the entire outfield is way off.

Anyway, from the trailer that I saw, Busch Stadium's other decks appear to be the same. Since it was a ground camera from center field, I may be mistaken (and I hope to God that I am).

Case in point, Busch Stadium has bigger issues. Anyway, that's what I thought this thread was about, and I was going to say that I agree.

[yankee242B]

There is an answer to why they don't have "Budweiser" above the scoreboard. Here it is:

It is an advertisement. It is not the name of a stadium or part of the park that is referenced (ie: Miller Park, Coors Field or Busch Stadium). They don't put ANY advertising into these games, especially for beer or tobacco products.

For a while, Budweiser was a sponser behind the centerfield fence at Yankee Stadium. It was at the bottom of the batter's eye in the black and turned on between innings, and was off during play. That ad has NEVER been in a game. Same with the VC replacement of John Hancock.

They're unnecessary ads.

[CARDS2501]

There is an answer to why they don't have "Budweiser" above the scoreboard. Here it is:

It is an advertisement. It is not the name of a stadium or part of the park that is referenced (ie: Miller Park, Coors Field or Busch Stadium). They don't put ANY advertising into these games, especially for beer or tobacco products.

For a while, Budweiser was a sponser behind the centerfield fence at Yankee Stadium. It was at the bottom of the batter's eye in the black and turned on between innings, and was off during play. That ad has NEVER been in a game. Same with the VC replacement of John Hancock.

They're unnecessary ads.


thats right but no one is saying that it should say Budweiser we are saying that its SHOULDN"T say cardinals field because that is not the name of the stadium if they are going to put the name of the stadium in place of the advertisement then they need to put the correct name up there. all in all they did a brutal job with this stadium the seats are wrong in the outfield, the city in the background is wrong, the seats behind the plate are wrong, the dugouts are screwed up and what is with the dirt circle around the mound that ony exists in the artists renderings not real life which tends to lend a little more credibility to my point about them going to the cardinals website and building a stadium based on 3 year old renderings instead of researching the actual stadium.

[UnderPressure]

Man, forget the Budweiser ad. Looking at the pics that MuffinMcFluffin posted, Busch Stadium does need a lot of change.

[AM Son]

Aside from all that may be wrong aesthetically with Busch Stadium, the most probable reason why it's named "Cardinals Field" and not "Busch Stadium" is due to licensing issues. When 2k designs these games, they have to acquire the licenses from the real world companies and sponsors to legally put their names, logos, etc. into the game. Some companies, for whatever reasons, either do not allow the license, only allow it to certain developers, or maybe charge too much for 2k to purchase. That's the fact, plain and simple. This scenario is seen in many many sports games, from all sports. The Celtics almost never have an accurate basketball arena, presumably for these aforementioned reasons.

Now when it comes to simple advertising, the same ideas apply. In addition, as mentioned by another poster, the 2k developers may simply decide to not put the ads into the game. If it is products they don't advocate for (ie. beer, cigarettes, etc) then they won't put them in. They also may prefer one product over another, or have an agreement with MLB as to which products can and cannot be advertised for in the game. MLB has certain rights and licenses, and that carries over to 2k, especially with competing products like Coca Cola/ Pepsi, Rawlings/ Nike, New Era/ Reebok, etc etc etc.

Now in terms of the actual look of the stadium:
If I am correct, the picture McFluffin posted was a screenshot from last years game. Also if I remember correctly, it was posted for the same reasons last year when 2k6 was being released. So, this is old news... but only if they have not corrected Busch Stadium, which I assume they have.
I highly doubt that they designed that stadium from simply looking at artists renderings. They may have used them for last year, but I'd be surprised if they did for this year.
One thing we as gamers need to understand is that not everything's going to be 100% accurate. When we as fans get to see numerous games of our favorite teams in our favorite stadiums, we become all too familiar with the team, the players, and the parks. We can't expect the same familiarity to come through in the development of these games. They get most things correct, but they'll never get it 100% correct...

Hope this answers some questions.
Peace
AM Son

[CARDS2501]

Aside from all that may be wrong aesthetically with Busch Stadium, the most probable reason why it's named "Cardinals Field" and not "Busch Stadium" is due to licensing issues. When 2k designs these games, they have to acquire the licenses from the real world companies and sponsors to legally put their names, logos, etc. into the game. Some companies, for whatever reasons, either do not allow the license, only allow it to certain developers, or maybe charge too much for 2k to purchase. That's the fact, plain and simple. This scenario is seen in many many sports games, from all sports. The Celtics almost never have an accurate basketball arena, presumably for these aforementioned reasons.


With all due respect you could not be more wrong. They call it Busch Stadium in the game. When you go to the stadium select screen it is called Busch Stadium. The old Busch Stadium in earlier versions of this and every other game was called Busch Stadium and they even had the old Busch logo in MVP05. This has nothing to do with licensing when they got the MLB contract and the right to use the name St Louis Cardinals the stadium name came with it. This is not an issue of advertising either it is an issue of them removing an ad for obvious reasons and replacing it with what they thought was the name of the stadium at the time the stadium was put into the game. If you go to the link I provided and look at the original artists renderings from when the new stadium was first announced and compare it to the picture Muff provided from the game you will see that they are eerily similar right down to the circle of dirt around the mound that doesn't exist in real life. Answer this for me if they didn't use those artist renderings to design this stadium in the game why does it have that circle around the mound? The ONLY other place that you will see that circle of dirt is in the original concept drawings in the link I provided earlier.

[CARDS2501]

So, this is old news... but only if they have not corrected Busch Stadium, which I assume they have.

Judging from the pictures of Pujols and the stadium footage from the trailor the stadium seems to be unchanged from last years version.

[whadupdoe]

forget busch fix wrigley with the expanded bleachers and the new batters eye box

[AM Son]

Judging from the pictures of Pujols and the stadium footage from the trailor the stadium seems to be unchanged from last years version.

Unfortunately, you may be right. It would not surprise me if they didn't fix the stadium. Also unfortunate as of now is that we just don't know. We haven't seen a screeny of the stadium yet, so until we do it's basically a moot point. You may be right, but I hope you're wong, lol!

I'm just going by what history reveals to us- many times, as I'm sure you'd agree, stadium licenses have been granted to EA and not 2k for example, or vise versa. This time however, I don't know what it could be, seeing as 2k has the exclusive license. My uneducated belief is that the stadium licenses are independent of the MLB and MLBPA licenses, but I'm not sure.

Anyone else have any ideas?
Thanks CARDS2501 for your input.
Peace
AM Son

[bigfnjoe96]

There is a Liscensing Issue with Stadium Names, that's why "Busch Stadium" is called Cardinals Field. Take-2 has to pay in order to use the "Busch" name or any other Stadium Name if used in their titles where a Liscensing Issue comes about.

This is the reason why you see Stadiums/Arena's NAMED differently. The same thing happens in NBA, NHL titles. In the NBA 2k, Madison Square Garden is called Knicks Arena & not called MSG, due to Liscensing Issues..

[CARDS2501]

If that is true why do they say busch stadium in the game? I assure you it is not a licensing issue

[bama2032]

Maybe License thing? There are things at US Cellular field that arent the same, like the color of the wall for instance. lol. They made the wall green, when its actually blue.

No, the wall at US Cellular Field is dark green not blue! It has not been blue for at least two years.

yes it is a licensing issue...

[bigfnjoe96]

If that is true why do they say busch stadium in the game? I assure you it is not a licensing issue
I really can't say/remember because I don't have the game anymore... You might be right. I'm actually thinking it might not be an Liscensing thing, but a timing thing with last years game & the "New Busch Stadium". Remember the only 2k title that had the "NEW Busch Stadium" was the 360 version. The xbox version didn't have the "New Busch Stadium".

Maybe Take-2 exclusivety excludes Liscenscing Fees

[CARDS2501]

I really can't say/remember because I don't have the game anymore... You might be right. I'm actually thinking it might not be an Liscensing thing, but a timing thing with last years game & the "New Busch Stadium". Remember the only 2k title that had the "NEW Busch Stadium" was the 360 version. The xbox version didn't have the "New Busch Stadium".

Maybe Take-2 exclusivety excludes Liscenscing Fees


I think that it is a timing issue exactly. I feel that they had finished working on the stadium for this game before the Cardinals announced that the new stadium would also be named Busch Stadium which is completely acceptable for last years version of the game, however this year is a different story they have had pleanty of time to get rid of this Cardinals Field bullsht and replace it will Busch Stadium if the don't want to show Budweiser on the scoreboard.

[JoeCoolMan24]

No, the wall at US Cellular Field is dark green not blue! It has not been blue for at least two years.

yes it is a licensing issue...

Yea, i think I said it backwards. I think its Blue in the game.

[CARDS2501]

They do mention Busch Stadium by name several times in the game even referring to it as NEW Busch Stadium and when you go to the stadium select screen it says Busch Stadium. I wouldn't care if they put one of their generic ads that they put in games in place of the Budweiser sign but for God's sake get rid of Cardinals Field its annoying as hell to play 81 games under a sign that makes no sense at all.

[CARDS2501]

No, the wall at US Cellular Field is dark green not blue! It has not been blue for at least two years.

yes it is a licensing issue...

the color of the wall has nothing to do with licensing it has everything to do with not updating changes in the stadiums. I am certain that the developers don't go to every stadium and take pictures or video of what the place actually looks like each and every year (it would be nice if they did) so little things will be missed, but to put things into a stadium that were NEVER there (circle of dirt around a mound) or to get the background of the city which hasn't changed in years completely wrong is unacceptable and they should be ashamed

[JoeCoolMan24]

the color of the wall has nothing to do with licensing it has everything to do with not updating changes in the stadiums. I am certain that the developers don't go to every stadium and take pictures or video of what the place actually looks like each and every year (it would be nice if they did) so little things will be missed, but to put things into a stadium that were NEVER there (circle of dirt around a mound) or to get the background of the city which hasn't changed in years completely wrong is unacceptable and they should be ashamed


I think he was referring to the original question, saying they dont have the sign because of licensing, not because of the color of the wall.

Also, you contradicted yourself by saying

I am certain that the developers don't go to every stadium and take pictures or video of what the place actually looks like each and every year

then..

to put things into a stadium that were NEVER there (circle of dirt around a completely wrong is unacceptable and they should be ashamed


The fact that you said they dont go around every where to take pictures goes against your other answer of its unacceptable that they add a ring around the mound.

[CARDS2501]

you said they dont go around every where to take pictures goes against your other answer of its unacceptable that they add a ring around the mound.


no that actually makes my point. they got drawings that were 3 years old off of the Cardinals website and built a stadium around them and then advertised the fact that they were the only game with the new Busch Stadium. It seems to be that if you are going to design a stadium for a game that is brand new you would want to get some actual photographs of the place to design it around and not use some concept drawings. I can understand not picking up on the wall changing color in a stadium that is 15 years old but if you are going to put a brand new stadium in a game you better be pretty damn accurate about it.

[JoeCoolMan24]

no that actually makes my point. they got drawings that were 3 years old off of the Cardinals website and built a stadium around them and then advertised the fact that they were the only game with the new Busch Stadium. It seems to be that if you are going to design a stadium for a game that is brand new you would want to get some actual photographs of the place to design it around and not use some concept drawings. I can understand not picking up on the wall changing color in a stadium that is 15 years old but if you are going to put a brand new stadium in a game you better be pretty damn accurate about it.


Now, i could be wrong, but I dont think the "Fundamentals Deck" was in the game either, and thats is a huge structural piece that everyone notices about the stadium. Now if it IS in the game, i bite my tounge, or... my fingers.

[Trevytrev11]

I'm guessing they went off the pitcures becuase the stadium wasn't complete until right before the start of the season. Maybe they had to have the stadiums due last year by early Winter and the park was mostly still under construction.

My brother and I flew out there in September to catch a game before they tore down the old stadium and it looked like they had a long way to go. I'm not sure when they annouced that Busch would have the naming rights for the next 20 years ( I think), but maybe they went with Cardinals Stadium to be safe.

Again, those excuses work for 2K6, but not for 2K7.

[CARDS2501]

Now, i could be wrong, but I dont think the "Fundamentals Deck" was in the game either, and thats is a huge structural piece that everyone notices about the stadium. Now if it IS in the game, i bite my tounge, or... my fingers.

its in the game right behind left field. they even have the big "FUNDAMENTALS" sign that stretches across about two sections of seats

[CARDS2501]

Again, those excuses work for 2K6, but not for 2K7.


BINGO! you nailed it

[MuffinMcFluffin]

forget busch fix wrigley with the expanded bleachers and the new batters eye boxThey have that this year. Not positive about the bleacher, but they have the new batter's eye implementation.

[krunchybox]

At Miller Park, they have Frank's Front Row but in reality it is supposed to be Friday's Front Row. That is probably a licensing thing, no doubt. Pretty dumb with the MLB license that they can't get the stadium names right

[Trevytrev11]

You would think that in this day and age, the MLB could include in their by-laws that every part of a teams organization (from the jerseys, to the stadiums, to the advertisements, to the players) would be included in their licensing the MLB/MLBPA to other companies.

I would think that most affiliates would agree to this because it's free advertisement. Anheiser Busch paid a lot of money to have naming rights for the stadium so that they could plaster their name on the scoreboard and through out the stadium. You think that they would jump at the idea to be included in a video game at no cost.

[bjscott05]

I thought all the stadiums were being redone. Just to let you know kush/ 2k, Busch Stadium is no longer a piece of concept art.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7269/fixme2vf1.jpg

thanks

[CARDS2501]

I have been saying that for over a year now

[TeeMberland]

Atleast they got the colors right, i wonder if they fixed Petco park wall colors yet... :(

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Atleast they got the colors right, i wonder if they fixed Petco park wall colors yet... :(2K Sports' representation of Petco Park is by far the most aggravating thing to look at with how poor it's done, especially the backdrop, which really helps the stadium look so beautiful. But yes, the wall color as well needs quite a... change. Ditch the green, bring the dark blue.

[TeeMberland]

Thank you sir, I'm really hoping they fix the ******* thing. :) it really bothers me.

[aRJAY21]

maybe is the license thing

[WalkingSnake]

maybe is the license thing

I swear I'm going to slap the next person who posts that.

It's not a licensing issue. It's an issue of 2k being either too lazy to change it to something else, or too stupid to realize it's even there.

Either way, I think it's ridiculous to have "Cardinals Field" in there in big letters. Heck, I'd rather see "Kush Games" up there.

[CARDS2501]

I swear I'm going to slap the next person who posts that.

It's not a licensing issue. It's an issue of 2k being either too lazy to change it to something else, or too stupid to realize it's even there.

Either way, I think it's ridiculous to have "Cardinals Field" in there in big letters. Heck, I'd rather see "Kush Games" up there.


Are you actually me in disguise?

I have said all of this in this very post even!!! Its nice to have a twin :lol:

[WalkingSnake]

Are you actually me in disguise?

Nope, just a Cards fan. ;)

[ledvedderman]

From the looks of the picture it looks like Busch Stadium has gotten WORSE from 2k6 to 2k7. Like someone mentioned earlier: they can get away with it in 2k6 but if all the stadiums were re-done for this years game than they really took a shortcut on this one. It's pathetic.

One thing as to why they probably say Busch Stadium, but don't put it up on the board, is because the name of the ballpark is really Busch Memorial Stadium. Just a thought.

[Ondeckbatta10]

Last year did they even have the new Busch Stadium? I always played in the old one for 2K6..

[Dzyr]

This is friggen rediculous, seriously, you people are nuts if you think you can get a stadium 100% perfect, it is damn near impossible, I love baseball and I have been watching it for years but I have no clue on how over 90% of the stadiums look like and photos of stadiums are not enough, colors in photos can seriously mislead a designer, not to mention perspectives.
Have any of you people ever looked at a project for 8 months on a computer, after a while your eyes start to lose the detail and easily miss things, not to mention these guys don't have the time to sit there and design each stadium with the UTMOST detail, time is money and they are needed elsewhere to finish the product.

To call them lazy is just asinine, give these guys a break, this isn't easy work. Do you people evn have a clue on the monumental task it is to design just one stadium??????

[ToyDingo]

This is friggen rediculous, seriously, you people are nuts if you think you can get a stadium 100% perfect, it is damn near impossible, I love baseball and I have been watching it for years but I have no clue on how over 90% of the stadiums look like and photos of stadiums are not enough, colors in photos can seriously mislead a designer, Have any of you people ever looked at a project for 8 months on a computer, after a while your eyes start to lose the detail and easily miss things, not to mention these guys don't have the time to sit there and design each stadium with the UTMOST detail, time is money and they are needed elsewhere to finish the product.

To call them lazy is just asinine, give these guys a break, this isn't easy work. Do you people evn have a clue on the monumental task it is to design just one stadium??????

Amen, you kids need to learn a little bit about the process that goes into all of this before you complain. If you don't like it then you have two options: either don't play the game or go make your own.

Until then, suck it up...

[ledvedderman]

We're not asking them to get it 100% correct, but at least get it close. There's no ring around the pitchers mound and there are upper deck sections down the lines. I could care less about the Budweiser thing. The outfield seating is kind of annoying too, but I could live with it if they fixed the two things I mentioned.

[Dzyr]

sorry but you are asking this..... grouped with everyone else, add it all up and it equals to wanting them to strive for perfection.

[ledvedderman]

You gotta admit that the stadium looks like a minor leage ball park in those pics posted a page or so back

[Dzyr]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/277647/busch1.JPG

I see what looks like a ring around the mound, the designer's mistake was making it to pronounced in the game, but I can clearly see a ring

[Trevytrev11]

sorry but you are asking this..... grouped with everyone else, add it all up and it equals to wanting them to strive for perfection.


I don't think anyones looking for perfection, but missing the obvious is pretty much inexcusable. Most people aren't going to care about each individual stadium, because unless your a fan of a team, your not going to notice the details.

But putting something like a ring around the mound (which no stadium in baseball has) is rediculous.

I'm not sure what your favorite team is, but i'm sure if something obvious was messed up with their stadium, you'd be a little annoyed. What if they moved the bullpen in Houston from the outfield to down the line or removed the hill in the OF. What if in Wrigley, the OF wasn't covered in ivy? What if the Green Monster was way too short? What if Oakland didn't have a ton of foul ground? What if they decided to put a dirt trail from the mound to home plate in Yankee Stadium?

These are all things that are obvious and may not annoy everyone, but would probably annoy the fans of those teams.

[Chitownsouthsider]

Maybe License thing? There are things at US Cellular field that arent the same, like the color of the wall for instance. lol. They made the wall green, when its actually blue.

the wall is green, I believe

http://unclebobsballparks9.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/p7050244.jpg.w560h420.jpg

[Trevytrev11]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/277647/busch1.JPG

I see what looks like a ring around the mound, the designer's mistake was making it to pronounced in the game, but I can clearly see a ring

You got to be kidding me. There is no way that someone can interpret a light faded circle that likley resulted from either the way the sod was layed or the way it was mowed as an intentional design to the field?

[TeeMberland]

At least they got the color right...They better fix that damn wall in Petco Park! ITS BLUE NOT GREEN!!! :)

[MuffinMcFluffin]

At least they got the color right...They better fix that damn wall in Petco Park! ITS BLUE NOT GREEN!!! :)Plus everything else that was wrong with PETCO Park... which was everything.

PETCO Park and Busch Stadium III were the most poorly represented MLB stadiums last year. I hope that's changed for PETCO this year. I don't see much hope for Busch, unfortunately.

[Brian Griffin]

The reason that I think that they put the ring in the game is because in the original artist renderings of Busch Stadium they had a ring around the mound. I don't know if they were trying to give the park its own "style" or whatever but it never made actually happened in real life. I think someone brought this up before but it bears repeating.

[tmoneymill]

i remember seeing a vid of carpenter pitching at busch and there is no ring...i think it was on gametrailers.

[redbirds06]

The reason that I think that they put the ring in the game is because in the original artist renderings of Busch Stadium they had a ring around the mound. I don't know if they were trying to give the park its own "style" or whatever but it never made actually happened in real life. I think someone brought this up before but it bears repeating.

the reason the drawings had a ring around the mound is because it was something they concidered doing bc it was something the original busch stadium had when it 1st opened and they just thought it would be something neat to do, and im almost positive the new busch is not called busch memorial stadium, only the last busch stadium was called that for only a few years in the 80s, i may be wrong but i watched them build the stadium and was there a bunch of times last season and never heard anyone refer to it as busch memorial.

[AlbertPooHole]

"Busch" is still a brand of beer. They won't put that in the game.



Busch Stadium is not named after a beer.:rotfl:

When it opened it was known as Civic Center Busch Memorial Stadium, until December 31, 1981. It became just Busch Stadium the following day. The stadium's name comes from the Busch family of Anheuser-Busch, who owned the baseball team until March 1996 and championed the stadium's construction.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busch_Memorial_Stadium

[Brian Griffin]

Also Miller Park is named after a brand of beer and so is Coors field and both of them are in the game. The Beer argument is completely false. Busch Stadium has always been in games and even the Busch corporate logo was in MVP 05. Busch Series racing has been in all Nascar games it doesn't matter that its a beer company.