carlos beltran....overpaid and overrated

[sayheykidetn]

oops mets fan. that was your 120 million dollar man looking at strike 3 to end your season. carlos beltran is a baby and a wuss. as an astros fan, nothing was better than to see him strike out looking, i was happier seeing that then i was seeing us go to the world series the next year after beltran bailed to sign that enormous deal. he gets way too much national attention all because the cardinals kept throwing pitches right down the middle in 2004 when he hit about 234 homeruns in a matter of a few games. but in 2004, the cards got by the stros and also in 2006 they got by beltran again. :dance: :dance: :dance:

[NGOChocolate]

I hate the Mets and that moment was great. But that was in October.:lol:

I'm ready for 2007.

[dbacksfan01]

carlos beltran striking out in the NLCS was a happier moment for you then the stros going to there first world series??? are you serious

[sgt thom]

oops mets fan. that was your 120 million dollar man looking at strike 3 to end your season. carlos beltran is a baby and a wuss. as an astros fan, nothing was better than to see him strike out looking, i was happier seeing that then i was seeing us go to the world series the next year after beltran bailed to sign that enormous deal. he gets way too much national attention all because the cardinals kept throwing pitches right down the middle in 2004 when he hit about 234 homeruns in a matter of a few games. but in 2004, the cards got by the stros and also in 2006 they got by beltran again. :dance: :dance: :dance:
Please! You're still mad that he didn't sign back with the assthrows. Instead of worrying about a gold glove MVP candidate you should be worrying about 1. The rocket 2. your closer 3. Your offense!

[sayheykidetn]

na him strikingout is 2nd, but understand ppl in houston hate him with a passion, he kept saying how much he loved houston how his wife loved it how the spanish community made him want to stay around for awhile. if by awhile he ment a few months than yes mission accomplished. he is full of **** and deserves to never go anywhere except home

[nyJetsMets]

Carlos Beltran is worth every penny of what he makes.Sure he struck out in a clutch spot,but no Mets fan would blame it on him.He was consistent all year hitting 41 homeruns and driving in 116 RBIs. Both the Astros and the Dbacks didn't make the playoffs and your all jealous that you dont have him on your team.

[NGOChocolate]

Carlos Beltran is worth every penny of what he makes.Sure he struck out in a clutch spot,but no Mets fan would blame it on him.He was consistent all year hitting 41 homeruns and driving in 116 RBIs. Both the Astros and the Dbacks didn't make the playoffs and your all jealous that you dont have him on your team.

:rotfl: :rotfl: Sigh.

[sgt thom]

Ya'll just need to let it go. After how the city of Boston treated Buckner they never deserved to anything again, but they did. Got to handle your business priority #1! I don't think he has earned all of his money yet though

[dbacksfan01]

Carlos Beltran is worth every penny of what he makes.Sure he struck out in a clutch spot,but no Mets fan would blame it on him.He was consistent all year hitting 41 homeruns and driving in 116 RBIs. Both the Astros and the Dbacks didn't make the playoffs and your all jealous that you dont have him on your team.
wait, what??? how did I come off as jealous :confused:

[NGOChocolate]

wait, what??? how did I come off as jealous :confused:

He's referring to me I think.

:rotfl: :rotfl: Jealous of Beltran:rotfl: :rotfl:

[aCutb]

na him strikingout is 2nd, but understand ppl in houston hate him with a passion, he kept saying how much he loved houston how his wife loved it how the spanish community made him want to stay around for awhile. if by awhile he ment a few months than yes mission accomplished. he is full of **** and deserves to never go anywhere except home

I don't hate him with a passion.

[dbacksfan01]

He's referring to me I think.

:rotfl: :rotfl: Jealous of Beltran:rotfl: :rotfl:ohhh, well when he says d-backs hes talkin to all d-backs fans :box:

[nyJetsMets]

Im saying who ever says hes over-rated is jealous he's not on there team. But sure if he was on the Yankees and struck out in that spot i will lmao but i couldn't say he was over rated.

[dbacksfan01]

I don't hate him with a passion.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: made him look bad

[dbacksfan01]

Im saying who ever says hes over-rated is jealous he's not on there team. But sure if he was on the Yankees and struck out in that spot i will lmao but i couldn't say he was over rated.
well i guess your right and I do agree he is not over rated!!

[sayheykidetn]

if your paying someone 120 mil when he gets into that situation he sure as hell better clutch up. hes NOT worth every penny, if he was he wouldnt have struck out looking and have that befuddled look on his face. derek jeter.... worthy every penny. hes man, he clutches up, not carlos. besides, that mole on his ear takes up his whole face

[nyJetsMets]

if your paying someone 120 mil when he gets into that situation he sure as hell better clutch up. hes NOT worth every penny, if he was he wouldnt have struck out looking and have that befuddled look on his face. derek jeter.... worthy every penny. hes man, he clutches up, not carlos. besides, that mole on his ear takes up his whole face

Your not paying him 120 million for just that situation.He has a 7 year deal worth 119 million.The thing about clutchness is that it all dont fall on 1 situation. Beltran had a couple walk offs in the 2006 season.Beltran is worth it, he won the gold glove, hit 41 homeruns he was second in the NL with runs-127,4th in slugging-.594 and 5th in OPS. I know you wish he was still on your team,if he was maybe the Astros would have made the playoffs ,but hes a Met now.

[everyday endy]

Sorry im late to help u here nyJetsMets...
First of all if you are going to base beltran's entire year on that 1 at bat, then you sir just do not understand baseball. I was at that game, and yes i have been questioning him all offseason about why he didnt swing at the first fastball over the plate, but you know what, you just have to get over that.
Beltran is a 40+ homerun guy who is one of the top 3 defensive center fielders in the game, and who plays with absolutely no ego. He played almost all of 2005 hurt which dramatically impacted his #s (well, that and the stupid mets fans who boo'd him every time he didn't get a hit). He's a quiet leader and when you look back at his contract that he got in 2005, compared to the contracts guys like soriano, who can't play D or hit for average for his life, its not all that bad at all. So lets stop using that against him when he is evaluated as a player.

[Metlover22]

Sorry im late to help u here nyJetsMets...
First of all if you are going to base beltran's entire year on that 1 at bat, then you sir just do not understand baseball. I was at that game, and yes i have been questioning him all offseason about why he didnt swing at the first fastball over the plate, but you know what, you just have to get over that.
Beltran is a 40+ homerun guy who is one of the top 3 defensive center fielders in the game, and who plays with absolutely no ego. He played almost all of 2005 hurt which dramatically impacted his #s (well, that and the stupid mets fans who boo'd him every time he didn't get a hit). He's a quiet leader and when you look back at his contract that he got in 2005, compared to the contracts guys like soriano, who can't play D or hit for average for his life, its not all that bad at all. So lets stop using that against him when he is evaluated as a player.

I agree, the guy had All-Star crudentials and one Hell of a year hittign 41 Hr's and 116 RBI's People who say this man is overrated must be jealous and upset that he is providing and winning with our team. He is worth the 120 Million that he is paid. You can't judge a man by one moment. You wouldnt judge Mariano Rivera JUST because he blew the game in the 2001 WS against the DBack and call him overrated, he's one of the best. So why judge Beltran just bcause he struck in one atbat in the NLCS???

[sayheykidetn]

YOUR COMPARING A SHOE IN HALL OF FAMER WITH CARLOS BELTRAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! your are pathetic, dont u say that anyone would think about rivera being over rated. hes mr automatic hes as clutch as they come and he had 1 bloop single go over jeters head, after years of closing games and world series out for the yanks. when beltran leads his team to a few world series, then thats fine u can use the 2 in the same sentence. but until your franchise player stops coming up to the plate with the season on the line and keeps the bat on his shoulder then shut up and stop thinking beltran is god.

[everyday endy]

You wouldnt judge Mariano Rivera JUST because he blew the game in the 2001 WS against the DBack and call him overrated, he's one of the best. So why judge Beltran just bcause he struck in one atbat in the NLCS???

Perfect analogy. Also dont forget about 2004 against the Bo Sox (by the way sorry to you red sox/patriots fans out there that must have been though tonight).
Even if Beltran swung and grounded out to second or flew out to center people would still say he choked. I've heard tons of people say that it wouldnt be this bad if he had just swung the bat, but thats not ture at all.

[rundastreetz]

for all the Beltran haters, did any of you actually see the pitch that struck him out? It was a pretty nasty pitch. I doubt Jeter would have ripped that...

[Cory Lidle Flying School]

Word My Brotha!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[CARDS2501]

That one at bat does not by any means make the man overrated. The fact that he is a career .281 hitter and he strikes out 115 times a season are what makes him overrated. The fact he has hit .300 or better exactly twice in the 9 seasons he has played in the major leagues makes him overrated. The fact that he has a .984 fielding percentage for an outfielder while the league average fielding percentage over his career has been .988 makes him overrated.

[everyday endy]

for all the Beltran haters, did any of you actually see the pitch that struck him out? It was a pretty nasty pitch. I doubt Jeter would have ripped that...

Looks like someone's actually paying attention! The thing that drives me crazy though is that first pitch fastball that he let go by for strike one. If any of you recall, when the mets played the Cards in August beltran came up in the bottom of the 9th down by 1 run and smoked a first pitch fastball by issringhaussen (sp?) over the right field wall for the game winning homer. I was at that game as well as game 7 of the NLCS and I still remember how great it felt to see beltran win the game like that and how incredible it would have been to see him do the same in the postseason.

Ps. The Crowd after endy's catch in the playoffs was amazing. Everybody jumping up and down and yelling as loud as they possibly could for more than 2 straight mins. Amazing

[CARDS2501]

If any of you recall, when the mets played the Cards in August beltran came up in the bottom of the 9th down by 1 run and smoked a first pitch fastball by issringhaussen (sp?) over the right field wall for the game winning homer.

Was that the same game that Pujols had 7 RBI's in the first 5 innings and then Delgado hit 2 homers to take the lead? I think Jeff Weaver started that game. I remember that game because it was August 22 the day before my birthday and LaRussa decided to leave Weaver in long enough to blow it. Pujols had a Grand Slam in the 4th and a 3 run shot in the 5th but the Cardinals still lost 8-7 thanks to Izzy and Weaver

[everyday endy]

Was that the same game that Pujols had 7 RBI's in the first 5 innings and then Delgado hit 2 homers to take the lead? I think Jeff Weaver started that game. I remember that game because it was August 22 the day before my birthday and LaRussa decided to leave Weaver in long enough to blow it. Pujols had a Grand Slam in the 4th and a 3 run shot in the 5th but the Cardinals still lost 8-7 thanks to Izzy and Weaver

Yes it was. I was at that game and it was insane. Belliard and Duncan made 2 great plays to rob reyes early. Pujols had 7 rbi and delgado hit 2 homers, one of which was a grand slam and also his 400th homerun. Reyes grounded out to start the 9th. Loduca singled to center field, which if i remember correctly So Taguchi almost let get by him. And after the next pitch it was over.

[HouASTROSfan]

I don't feel that Beltran is overrated per se, however he is DEFINATELY overpayed and overhyped. He is a decent player, but he is a huge ***** for the way he handled the situation when he left us. He will always and forever be booed at Minute Maid Park, and I love it.

[everyday endy]

What? he took more money to play for a better team. Yea what a total jerk.

And as i said before, considering how much guys like soriano are getting plyed this offeseason, Beltran was actually a bargin.

[Trevytrev11]

Overpaid? In this day and age, everyone is overpaid. Gil Meche getting $10M a year.

But, the money has to go somewhere and I guess it is only overpaying if a team can't afford it. I mean $10M, $15M, $20M a year isn't much to the larger market teams. They can easily afford to pay these prices. But if you take Beltran and throw him on the Twins where his salary is 1/4 of the entire teams salary, then I'd say he is over paid.

If the Met's only offered him what everyone else was willing to pay, then he would have probably went somehwere else. But, they had the extra money to make sure that he became a Met.

I understand that they are paying more for a player who is comperable to players making a lot less, but they needed him and had the money to get him. That is what happens when Scott Boras is your agent.

[Trevytrev11]

What? he took more money to play for a better team. Yea what a total jerk.

Who in there right mind wouldn't take a whole lot more money to go work for a different company where you would do the exact same job?

If your a delivery boy for Pizza Hut Pizza making $8/hour and Domino's says they will pay you $12/hour to deliver for them, wouldn't you leave? I know I would.

If someone offered me a whole lot more money to do my same job, I'd be out quickly.

If it's just a little more money than you can rationalize that "well, I like the people I work with" or "I'm real close to good restaurants" or "I got a slightly bigger office" or "my commute is a few miles less" , but when it's a lot more money, I think that rationality goes out the door.

I understand that $10,000,000 a year is more money than I'll probably ever spend in my lifetime and when you make that much, why would you even need $20,000,000? That is the part I can't answer. At what point is the money so much that it doesn't matter that there is more. At what point do you think that at $10M, I can take care of the next 5 generations of family, but at $20M, I can take care of the next 10.

[CARDS2501]

What? he took more money to play for a better team. Yea what a total jerk.


What are you talking about a better team? You must be insane! The Astros were one game away from going to the World Series the year he left and the Mets had just come off of a season in which they finished in 4th place 20 games under .500 71-91. Then the very next year the Astros are in the World Series and the Mets still only finish in 3rd place at 83-79. Clearly it was all about the money and had nothing to do at all with a better team.

[bigfnjoe96]

Take this $#!T to the "BASEBALL DISCUSSION" Section.... This section is for 2k7 discussion...

n0obs figures.... :rolleyes:

[CARDS2501]

Take this $#!T to the "BASEBALL DISCUSSION" Section.... This section is for 2k7 discussion...

n0obs figures.... :rolleyes:

Sir yes sir! Alright men we need to take down this thread immediatly before a hole is torn in the universe and we are all vaporized. We have orders from big****injoe that this thread will not stand even though it started because of another thread that was about player ratings in the new game.


I love the forum police...:rolleyes:

[everyday endy]

lol yea ^^

[bigfnjoe96]

Sir yes sir! Alright men we need to take down this thread immediatly before a hole is torn in the universe and we are all vaporized. We have orders from big****injoe that this thread will not stand even though it started because of another thread that was about player ratings in the new game.


I love the forum police...:rolleyes:

So if it started in the Ratings Thread, it should of stayed there. What was the purpose of starting another thread about a player, in which the OP made NO MENTION of any ratings in his original post?

Come-on you know the routine. It's not about trying to be Forum Police, it's about trying to keep this section clutter free, so people who are looking for MLB 2K7 Info can find that info, without having to go thru a bunch of threads which belong in another section..

[CARDS2501]

I understand what you are saying and you are probably right I just took offense to the newbies comment. You are right though this thread was started for the sole purpose of ****ing off Mets fans and it apparently has worked. After having reread this entire thread I have discovered not one single mention of the game so I defer to you BFJ.

[bigfnjoe96]

I understand what you are saying and you are probably right I just took offense to the newbies comment. You are right though this thread was started for the sole purpose of ****ing off Mets fans and it apparently has worked. After having reread this entire thread I have discovered not one single mention of the game so I defer to you BFJ.

Don't take offense to the No0b thing. It wasn't meant for you... It's been my experience that this section will get crazy the closer we get to release & also after release. Unfortunately the moderation of this section not being done on a regular basis also doesn't help. So it kind of falls on us as a community to try to keep this Section as clean & clutter free as possible.

Trust me I'm not Forum Police, I'm just a Senior Memeber who wants our SECTION to be the best it could be within this forum... :thumbsup:

[NGOChocolate]

I understand what you are saying and you are probably right I just took offense to the newbies comment. You are right though this thread was started for the sole purpose of ****ing off Mets fans and it apparently has worked. After having reread this entire thread I have discovered not one single mention of the game so I defer to you BFJ.

:rotfl: :rotfl: so true

[Metlover22]

I understand what you are saying and you are probably right I just took offense to the newbies comment. You are right though this thread was started for the sole purpose of ****ing off Mets fans and it apparently has worked. After having reread this entire thread I have discovered not one single mention of the game so I defer to you BFJ.

Are the New York Mets becoming the "Hated" team like the yankees???

[CARDS2501]

I think that any team from New York or Boston always has a hated label to go along with them. But to some degree every team is hated just none more than the teams that spend well over 100mil a year.

[sayheykidetn]

i root for the yankees more than the mets, im sick of how omar minya is a "genius", a title given to him by the national media because he didnt have a limit to how much he spent and the fact that he wanted to bring in an all latin team makes me sick. it doesnt matter whos playing and what race they are, but when the gm comes out and says i want an all latin superstar team (im not 100% on what his actual words were, but something to that effect) i have a problem with that. if a white gm said im going to have an all star team of whites ppl would b throwing s***

[Metlover22]

i root for the yankees more than the mets, im sick of how omar minya is a "genius", a title given to him by the national media because he didnt have a limit to how much he spent and the fact that he wanted to bring in an all latin team makes me sick. it doesnt matter whos playing and what race they are, but when the gm comes out and says i want an all latin superstar team (im not 100% on what his actual words were, but something to that effect) i have a problem with that. if a white gm said im going to have an all star team of whites ppl would b throwing s***

But did his vision come trye... The MEts have so many non-hispanics on that team it's not even funny. Schoeneweis, Wright, Wagner, Newhan, Green, Heilman, Easley, Glavine, Maine, Johnson,D.Williams, Milledge. I like the fact the Minaya has this team as Multi-cultural, But to answer your question, There is just more Puerto Ricans (like myself) and Dominicans that are starting. Who cares what he says, it's how you play

[everyday endy]

i root for the yankees more than the mets, im sick of how omar minya is a "genius", a title given to him by the national media because he didnt have a limit to how much he spent and the fact that he wanted to bring in an all latin team makes me sick. it doesnt matter whos playing and what race they are, but when the gm comes out and says i want an all latin superstar team (im not 100% on what his actual words were, but something to that effect) i have a problem with that. if a white gm said im going to have an all star team of whites ppl would b throwing s***

Lets not bring race in to this PLEASE. Seriously its a lose - lose when that happnes. People say that minaya only brings in latino players, but when he signs wright to a longer and more expensive contract than reyes in the middle of last year, people say that race has an affect on the deal because Wright is white and thats why hes making more.

[Jimmy42Jack0]

i think CB is terribly overrated and wayyyyyyy overpaid...im a die hard marlins fan and the fish dont have a centerfielder of note...and yet...id still rather get like 20 different guys than get beltran...

[EnigmaNemesis]

In my opinion, all sports stars are over-payed!

[everyday endy]

Who would you rather have? Soriano for his deal, lee for his deal or Beltran for his deal?

And EnigmaNemisis youre right, theyre all deffinately over paid.

[nyJetsMets]

idk Endy thats a tough 1 between Soriano and Beltran but i'll have to choose Beltran probably cuz im a Met fan.By Lee im asuming you meen Derrek not Carlos right??

[CARDS2501]

I think that he meant Carlos Lee and I also think that it is obvious that the best contract at or over 100 million is the one the Cardinals signed with Albert Pujols. 7/100 million and he is the best player in the game. If Carlos Lee is worth 6yr/100 million and Carlos Beltran is worth 7yr/119 millions then Pujols should be worth about 25 million per season for as long as he wants. The fact that he is only making around 14 million a year makes him the biggest bargain in baseball.

[Metlover22]

i think CB is terribly overrated and wayyyyyyy overpaid...im a die hard marlins fan and the fish dont have a centerfielder of note...and yet...id still rather get like 20 different guys than get beltran...


I can see why you hate him, Becasue the Fish don't have crap. Were you one of the two Marlins fans that saw Anibal throw his no-hitter???:rotfl:

[sayheykidetn]

hahaha the 2 fans. yea, sucks for anibal, no one saw it live

[NGOChocolate]

I can see why you hate him, Becasue the Fish don't have crap. Were you one of the two Marlins fans that saw Anibal throw his no-hitter???:rotfl:

Typical Mets Fan:rolleyes:

[Metlover22]

Typical Mets Fan:rolleyes:

Of Course, always gotta bag on one of the division teams

[CARDS2501]

I can see why you hate him, Becasue the Fish don't have crap.

The only thing that the Marlins have is 2 World Championships....wait a minute thats all the Mets have too and they have been around 31 years longer. hmmmmm

[nyJetsMets]

Yep Yep 2 World Series Trophies and also Mets never threw a no-hitter:( .The Mets had their ups and downs as a Franchise. But its not about the past now its about the present and i promise you the Mets will win the divison again

[Metlover22]

The only thing that the Marlins have is 2 World Championships....wait a minute thats all the Mets have too and they have been around 31 years longer. hmmmmm


All i really care is now, JUST!! Because you guys won the WS dosent mean anything NOW!! That was four moths ago, it's almost Spring Training. I don't know why but STL Fans have become really stubborn ever since the Win. Just bcause you won this year doesent mean your a dynasty. If you look at it the Card havent won a WS since 1982 until now

[CARDS2501]

All i really care is now, JUST!! Because you guys won the WS dosent mean anything NOW!! That was four moths ago, it's almost Spring Training. I don't know why but STL Fans have become really stubborn ever since the Win. Just bcause you won this year doesent mean your a dynasty. If you look at it the Card havent won a WS since 1982 until now

Well now you have opened a can of worms that I don't think that you want to get into. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. The Cardinals are the best franchise in the history of the National League they have 10 World Championships (second only to the Yankees). They have 17 National League pennants and have been in the playoffs a total of 22 times. They trail only the Yankees for the most wins of any team in the since 2000. They have advanced to 2 World Series since 2004 and 5 NLCS since 2000. They have done all of this without ever reaching $90 million in payroll. They rank 2nd in the National League in attendance (behind only the Dodgers) and they sell out every game. St. Louis is widely regarded as the best baseball city in America. I can understand where you are coming from though as a Mets fan, you naturally have chip on your shoulder because you are treated as a redheaded stepchild in your own city. How can anyone expect a met fan not to be defensive even if their team hasn't done anything ever? I mean you were great in 1986 and 1969 but that is only 2 seasons if you add in all the rest of the years the Mets have an outstanding record of 3408-3742 compared to the Cardinals record of 9765-9111 so yeah you are a great franchise and if the Cardinals don't win another game for the next 4 seasons and during that time the Mets don't lose a single game you will even have a better winning percentage than St. Louis.

[everyday endy]

Cards fans are loyal, but boy are the cooperate. I have family in St. Louis, and i went to see a game at the new busch stadium in about July this year, and the first thing that i noticed is that you could see more diversity in an Abercrombie and Fitch catalog (thanks to family guy for that one.) I guess its not your fault but the crowd is just so quiet and boring, and even during the playoffs from TV it sounded like the people there were at a tennis match.
I hate to portray mets fans like this, because like myself, most of us are alot more knowlegable than we may make the impression of. but that thing has just bugged me ever since i went to st louis, and now even more after you beat us, and, lead by braden F***ing Looper, and Pujols you guys mocked the "Jose jose jose jose" chant on our field. I understand that the cardinals are a historically good and classy franchise, but right now, these two teams have alot of things to be resolved between each other next year.

[everyday endy]

and if you dont believe me about the chant, heres the link...

http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/10/20/2431948.html

Just click the play arrow on the big orange thing in the middle of the page to start it.

[CARDS2501]

They did the chant in the locker room too it was a very special moment for me. Just because Cardinal fans are smart enough to know when to cheer and when to boo doesn't make them boring. If you type into google "best fans in baseball" what is the first link you see? Its about Cardinals fans. Its widely considered that St. Louis has the best fans in the game. We don't need to import soccer cheers to make our shortstop feel better about himself or remember his name or whatever reason you guys do that.

The Cardinals and Mets have had a strong rivalry going back to the 80's. We were better than you in 1985, 1987, and 2006 and you got us in 1986 and 2000. I do need to ask you though, how heartbreaking was it to be the favorites all year and to be expected to cruise through the National League right into the World Series and then have it all fall apart at the end?

[Trevytrev11]

I flew to St. louis in September of 2005 (my bro is a Card's fan) and was quite impressed with the fans. Obviosly, everyone dresses in Cardinal Red, but it seemed that everyone we sat by was knowldegable of the team. I heard little old ladies talking about how Larry Walker doubled down the line the night before to tie the game or how Marquis can't walk the leadoff batte. Needless to say, I was very impressed with the fans.

As an A's fan, I think the A's fans are generally pretty smart. I say generally, because if you go to a Wednesday night game, there are 15,000 to 20,000 loyal fans who actually know their baseball. But if you go on a Friday night when the Red Sox are in town, you get 40,000random people who are there just because of the Red Sox and seem to know nothing about baseball and talk crap all game long.

I think you get this at every stadium though, but St. Louis is known for being one of the best baseball towns in the league. Cleveland used to have this reputation as well until things slowed down in the late 90's.

[Metlover22]

and if you dont believe me about the chant, heres the link...

http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/10/20/2431948.html

Just click the play arrow on the big orange thing in the middle of the page to start it.

The Franchise can be classy, but the fans arent. At Shea we show Trueness to your team. I went to STL on a school trip, and they took us to Busch Stadium (old). It was as dead as a graveyard. No passion for the game and for the team. People came in the fourth and left in the seventh. I hated it. And the team lost big that day. I cant stand the STL Cards and thier fans

[NGOChocolate]

The Franchise can be classy, but the fans arent. At Shea we show Trueness to your team. I went to STL on a school trip, and they took us to Busch Stadium (old). It was as dead as a graveyard. No passion for the game and for the team. People came in the fourth and left in the seventh. I hated it. And the team lost big that day. I cant stand the STL Cards and thier fans

I don't know about that one. I do remember through the years of 2001-2005 i'd go to Shea Stadium and see the place as empty as it could be on weekend games.

[Metlover22]

All of a sudden, people hate the New York Mets

[UnderPressure]

I'm glad the Mets will be having a new stadium because Shea is just a ****hole. They don't call it Flushing, NY for nothing.

[Metlover22]

I don't know about that one. I do remember through the years of 2001-2005 i'd go to Shea Stadium and see the place as empty as it could be on weekend games.

It depends which days you went, I've been going to Shea for the longest, and i've nver seen a WHOKE BUNCH of empty seats (only Upper Deck)

[Metlover22]

I don't know about that one. I do remember through the years of 2001-2005 i'd go to Shea Stadium and see the place as empty as it could be on weekend games.

It depends which days you went, I've been going to Shea for the longest, and i've nver seen a WHOLE BUNCH of empty seats (only Upper Deck)

[NGOChocolate]

It depends which days you went, I've been going to Shea for the longest, and i've nver seen a WHOLE BUNCH of empty seats (only Upper Deck)

Anytime I see the Mets Diamondbacks (I always go religiously) I either get the upper deck or the mezzaine level.

I do remember years before when you guys wern't playing such great baseball i'd see a lot of empty orange seats.

I'm glad the Mets will be having a new stadium because Shea is just a ****hole. They don't call it Flushing, NY for nothing.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Shea Stadium isnt that bad. It's the things around it that make it look like a dump. Get rid of the Car lots and the empty areas and put something that'll attract the fans.

[Metlover22]

I'm glad the Mets will be having a new stadium because Shea is just a ****hole. They don't call it Flushing, NY for nothing.


Dodger Stadium isnt as great either. The stadium is in the middle of nowhere

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/metlover15/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg

[CARDS2501]

The Franchise can be classy, but the fans arent. At Shea we show Trueness to your team. I went to STL on a school trip, and they took us to Busch Stadium (old). It was as dead as a graveyard. No passion for the game and for the team. People came in the fourth and left in the seventh. I hated it. And the team lost big that day. I cant stand the STL Cards and thier fans

What are you talking about? Maybe you need to check the attendance figures for the past century. St. Louis is always near the top in attendance and as far as the fans go, some of the most knowledgable fans in the world are Cardinals fans. Trueness to your team (is trueness a word?) thats not exactly accurate when talking about Mets fans either in 2006 you averaged 75% attendance and that was in a year that you were actually good (Cardinals averaged 91% and that is only because the left field seats were closed for 3 months).
In 2005: Mets 61% capacity Cards 87%
In 2004: Mets 50% capacity Cards 75%
In 2003: Mets 49% capacity Cards 71%
In 2002: Mets 64% capacity Cards 75%
In 2001: Mets 59% capacity Cards 78%

Its obvious how loyal Mets fans are to their team. You are so loyal that the Mets play in front of an average 20,000 empty seats a night over the course of the last 6 years. I love that Met trueness (?). I have to ask you Metlover22 why do you even bother to say anything at all on here? Everytime you come at me with some ridiculous comment I disprove it using hard facts within minutes.Maybe you should do a little research before you A. Say something about the Cardinals that you know nothing about and B. Brag about the Mets with false statements.

[Metlover22]

Anytime I see the Mets Diamondbacks (I always go religiously) I either get the upper deck or the mezzaine level.

I do remember years before when you guys wern't playing such great baseball i'd see a lot of empty orange seats.


I've always seen a lot of fans at the Stadium. It's a great place to watch a ballgame (other than Wrigley)

[UnderPressure]

Dodger Stadium isnt as great either. The stadium is in the middle of nowhere

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g243/metlover15/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg


That's why it's surround by nature instead of cars and tall buildings. Do not ever compare Shea to Dodger Stadium. That is a cardinal sin.

EDIT: I'm kidding about Shea. I just wanted to intend a pun because of Flushing.

[NGOChocolate]

I've always seen a lot of fans at the Stadium. It's a great place to watch a ballgame (other than Wrigley)

I'll admit watching a game at Shea is a lot better then Yankee Stadium. But that's just my opinion.

[Metlover22]

I'll admit watching a game at Shea is a lot better then Yankee Stadium. But that's just my opinion.


Same thing with watching the games on YES (Damn it Michael Kay!!) :eek:

[CARDS2501]

Shea stadium is a great place to watch an air show or a ****ing apple come out of a hat. But with all the planes taking off and landing I don't know how great it is for a baseball game.

[CARDS2501]

I'll admit watching a game at Shea is a lot better then Yankee Stadium. But that's just my opinion.

Of course it is you are not surrounded by Yankee fans :lol:

and if you go during the week you are not surrounded by ANY fans :thumbsup:

[NGOChocolate]

Of course it is you are not surrounded by Yankee fans :lol:

and if you go during the week you are not surrounded by ANY fans :thumbsup:

:rotfl: :rotfl: That's true.

[Metlover22]

Shea stadium is a great place to watch an air show or a ****ing apple come out of a hat. But with all the planes taking off and landing I don't know how great it is for a baseball game.


This so immature, I dont have to take this. You ESPICALLY CARDSS2501 is acting like a little kid right now. Always have something to say:bark:

[CARDS2501]

This so immature, I dont have to take this. You ESPICALLY CARDSS2501 is acting like a little kid right now. Always have something to say:bark:

Are you just tired of me proving you wrong every time that you say something? By the way didn't you just tell another guy in another thread that the controls of 2k and MVP are very similar? I believe you said "It will revive your Memories of MVP 05 " Are you just a compulsive liar or do you really not know your arse from a hole in the ground?


what is espically? is that a racial slur if it is then I am offended

[sportslover]

So what does this have to do with MLB 2K7?:confused:
There is a baseball section we need some activity you can ask someone( a mod) to move this thread.

[majorleestoned]

So what does this have to do with MLB 2K7?:confused:
There is a baseball section we need some activity you can ask someone( a mod) to move this thread.
there hasnt been a mod in here in at least 3 months were lucky we got this 2k7 forum

[everyday endy]

It is also unfair to compare the % of the stadium's seats filled because shea has 57,000 seats in it. Compare that to Busch which has about 47,000, and i think the new one may even have less.

[everyday endy]

And one more thing, it was wrong to compare Shea to Dodger stadium. Its obvious that Dodger stadium is far superior.
The thing im gonna miss about shea, is that they are trimming the new one down to about 45000 seats. It gets so loud in Shea during playoff time and the place really rocks. I just hope the reduction of seats and the inevitable raise of prices doesnt attract a cooperate crowd to games, especially playoff games.

[CARDS2501]

you could get 52000 people in old busch so it was a fair comparison. Your boy said that Mets fans were loyal I proved him wrong. If anything it is unfair to compare St Louis to New York considering New York City has 8.1 million people in it and St. Louis only has 2.8 million people yet St. Louis still outdraws the Mets EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Mets trueness at its finest.

[DJDEN07]

do yall really think beltran is overrated?
he is a BEAST
so is JOSE REYES

[NGOChocolate]

I think he's overrated. I'd like to see a repeat season outta beltran before i'm convinced.

Jose Reyes on the other hand is pretty good, but not as great as you guys think he is.

[DJDEN07]

he aint overrated hes good
and Jose Reyes will end up bein one of the best SSs ever

[everyday endy]

he aint overrated hes good
and Jose Reyes will end up bein one of the best SSs ever

If he can keep his hammys healthy, that sounds like it has a fair chance of being true.

[CARDS2501]

he aint overrated hes good
and Jose Reyes will end up bein one of the best SSs ever


You can't be serious can you? A career .285 hitter (not bad) with an on base percentage of .321 (horrible for a leadoff man) could never be the best SS of all time. Not when guys like Cal Ripken Jr., Ozzie Smith and Alex Rodriguez have played the position. I have said before and I will still stand by it Jimmy Rollins very comparable to Jose Reyes he might even be better only time will tell. It is ridiculous to say that a 24 year old with only 2 full seasons in the Majors will project to be one of the best ever. Albert Pujols has been the best player in the game since he came up in 2001 and it is STILL too early to call him one of the best ever. Case in point look at the careers of Dale Murphy and Jim Rice they were incredible for a few years but aren't even hall of famers now.

[DJDEN07]

i know he aint that good at hittin
but have you seen him RUN?
thats one fast kid lol
how many stolen bases did he have last season like 70?
but i know he wont be the best of all time i was exaggerating
but he wll be one of the best in the modern era

[sportslover]

there hasnt been a mod in here in at least 3 months were lucky we got this 2k7 forum
K Bomber is on quite a bit,as is 23,ans so is OG ....
Get your facts straight
I'll tell one of them

[MetsFan4Ever]

Wow, there were soooo many wrong "facts" in this thread. I would take everyone down a peg, but I'm tired. I'll let everyone wallow in what they consider to be the truth.

[sportslover]

Wow, there were soooo many wrong "facts" in this thread.
That's why it's not in the baseball section.
Maybe this thread should die out here instead of being moved.:think:

[CARDS2501]

That's why it's not in the baseball section.
Maybe this thread should die out here instead of being moved.:think:


If you don't like this thread why do you keep looking at it?

[CARDS2501]

Wow, there were soooo many wrong "facts" in this thread. I would take everyone down a peg, but I'm tired. I'll let everyone wallow in what they consider to be the truth.


Ok bud put your money where your mouth is. Give us some examples of wrong facts. I dare you to prove any of the arguments that I have made false. You can't do it. Everything that I have said can me backed up by either mlb.com, baseball-reference.com or espn.com. I love when people get on here (usually they are Mets fans) and say that everyone else is wrong about everything then they refuse to back up their point with any evidence. So you ran your mouth and now I am sure that we will never hear from you again on the subject and if we do I am sure that you will not have any proof that we have made so called wrong facts. So this is an open invitation if you can take me down a peg with something that is verifiable then I will leave this forum. If you can't then you need to just go away yourself.

[MetsFan4Ever]

Ok bud put your money where your mouth is. Give us some examples of wrong facts. I dare you to prove any of the arguments that I have made false. You can't do it. Everything that I have said can me backed up by either mlb.com, baseball-reference.com or espn.com. I love when people get on here (usually they are Mets fans) and say that everyone else is wrong about everything then they refuse to back up their point with any evidence. So you ran your mouth and now I am sure that we will never hear from you again on the subject and if we do I am sure that you will not have any proof that we have made so called wrong facts. So this is an open invitation if you can take me down a peg with something that is verifiable then I will leave this forum. If you can't then you need to just go away yourself.

I would, but there are two reasons why I won't, I'm tired and I have better things to do with my time then sit here and go through all 10 pages of this thread, copying all the false information, and pasting it and then posting it, all of this just so I can destroy you and everyone else in an argument over baseball in an online forum. Yeah, really worth my time. :rolleyes: I have work to do. I hope you have better things to do than trying to take people down and trying to make them look feeble.

[CARDS2501]

I would, but there are two reasons why I won't, I'm tired and I have better things to do with my time then sit here and go through all 10 pages of this thread, copying all the false information, and pasting it and then posting it, all of this just so I can destroy you and everyone else in an argument over baseball in an online forum. Yeah, really worth my time. :rolleyes: I have work to do. I hope you have better things to do than trying to take people down and trying to make them look feeble.

Well you had enough time to bring my credibility into question and now that I have called you on it you are backing away from it like it was the plague. All you are is a mouthpiece who talks and cannot back up what he says. Every single argument that I have made in this thread has been logical and backed up with verifiable FACTS. The only thing that you have done is say that I am making things up and posting false information. That is a pretty serious charge and one that you damn well better be able to back up before you post. Since you are too chickensht to prove me wrong I will ask anyone to check the facts that I have posted and find something that I have not been honest about. MetsFan4Ever I can understand that you do not like the position that I have taken regarding the Mets, their players and their fanbase you have every right to be upset at me and others for talking negatively about your favorite team, but the truth hurts and that is the only reason you are saying that my facts are wrong. You just don't want to be faced with the reality that what I say is true. If you still think what I am saying is wrong it is simple look it up and let me know what you find out.

[CARDS2501]

you could get 52000 people in old busch so it was a fair comparison.

In light of my facts being called into question I have decided to come clean. I had misrepresented the old Busch Stadium in a way. When the park was opened you could get 52,000 fans into the stadium but during the time that I had used as a comparison to the Mets the stadium had been remodeled and some seats were removed so that the actual capacity was only 49,676 but still that is close enough to the capacity of Shea Stadium 55,601 to make the comparison.

[CARDS2501]

I would, but there are two reasons why I won't, I'm tired and I have better things to do with my time then sit here and go through all 10 pages of this thread, copying all the false information, and pasting it and then posting it, all of this just so I can destroy you and everyone else in an argument over baseball in an online forum. Yeah, really worth my time. :rolleyes: I have work to do. I hope you have better things to do than trying to take people down and trying to make them look feeble.

Well its been almost two hours since you started running your mouth and I just noticed that you are still online. What happened to being tired? I just want you to find 1 example of misinformation just 1. When you come on here and say that you know that I have been giving false information but you refuse to site 1 single example it makes you look like a moron.

You know what else I can beat Lance Armstrong in a bicycle race but I am too tired to do it right now and I have work to do. So I will just let Lance wallow in thinking he is better on a bike than me. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Well its basically what you just told me. I can't outride Lance and you can't find anything wrong with what I have said.

[Metlover22]

Are you just tired of me proving you wrong every time that you say something? By the way didn't you just tell another guy in another thread that the controls of 2k and MVP are very similar? I believe you said "It will revive your Memories of MVP 05 " Are you just a compulsive liar or do you really not know your arse from a hole in the ground?


what is espically? is that a racial slur if it is then I am offended

No, i am not, I know my baseball facts. And do you even think when you talk, i was helping a new member who wanted to know if there is a computer baseball game coming out. So i told him about MVP 06 MLB. It's a mod that improves the gameplay. Since the new games that come out are kinda crappy i told him that the mod will revive the Memories of how MVP 05 was(MVP 05 was getting kinda old), because it will be replaced by the MOD IF HE PUT IT IN

No, it's not a racial slur, i dont comment on peoples races, Espically when people do that to me and every other hispanic or race out there :computer:

[UnderPressure]

Dude, that's the second time you spelled it "espically" so I am now sure that was not just a typo. LMAO.

[Metlover22]

Dude, that's the second time you spelled it "espically" so I am now sure that was not just a typo. LMAO.

I mix a lot of things up, sometimes the small things. But it doesnt matter. I do make Typo's a lot so dont mind me

[CARDS2501]

I was just joking with you about it because you spelled it that way. Lighten up hombre.

[CARDS2501]

Just as a side note Mets fans and MetsFan4Ever I am still waiting for you to disprove any of my facts. If you can find 1 thats all I ask.

[nyJetsMets]

Just as a side note Mets fans and MetsFan4Ever I am still waiting for you to disprove any of my facts. If you can find 1 thats all I ask.

I know you can never prove facts wrong but what facts are you talking about specifically.Is it the whole Beltran thing or about Reyes??

[CARDS2501]

Wow, there were soooo many wrong "facts" in this thread. I would take everyone down a peg, but I'm tired. I'll let everyone wallow in what they consider to be the truth.


I would, but there are two reasons why I won't, I'm tired and I have better things to do with my time then sit here and go through all 10 pages of this thread, copying all the false information, and pasting it and then posting it, all of this just so I can destroy you and everyone else in an argument over baseball in an online forum. Yeah, really worth my time. :rolleyes: I have work to do. I hope you have better things to do than trying to take people down and trying to make them look feeble.


Hell prove anything that I have said to be false. This loser got on here calling my credibility into question now I want him or anyone to prove that I have posted false information.

[MetsFan4Ever]

Hell prove anything that I have said to be false. This loser got on here calling my credibility into question now I want him or anyone to prove that I have posted false information.

You are really obsessed with trying to prove yourself to a complete stranger over the Internet. I'm a little worried about you. What, it's been about two days, now? Let it go, Louie, let it go. You are being two things right now: childish and well...childish. You must be like 12 years old, so I'm teaching you a valuable lesson: You don't always get what you want. Besides, I know I'm right and that's all that matters. The great KRS-One once said, "Never miss a good opportunity to shut the hell up." Take that advice, will you?

[CARDS2501]

You are really obsessed with trying to prove yourself to a complete stranger over the Internet. I'm a little worried about you. What, it's been about two days, now? Let it go, Louie, let it go. You are being two things right now: childish and well...childish. You must be like 12 years old, so I'm teaching you a valuable lesson: You don't always get what you want. Besides, I know I'm right and that's all that matters. The great KRS-One once said, "Never miss a good opportunity to shut the hell up." Take that advice, will you?


First of all I am 28 and I am man enough to stand behind what I say. Secondly it has been less than 24 hours. Thirdly you said all you needed to say when you said "The Great KRS-One" at times there might not be a bigger idiot on these boards. The only lesson you have taught be is that Mets fans are just like Cubs fans they can open their mouth and can't back up what they are saying. What is childish about asking you to stand behind your statement with proof. You can't do it because you don't have any proof. I wish someone would do me a favor and check all the facts that I have posted on this thread and let me know if they are true or false. If you find one made up statistic I will leave and never come back.

[Metlover22]

First of all I am 28 and I am man enough to stand behind what I say. Secondly it has been less than 24 hours. Thirdly you said all you needed to say when you said "The Great KRS-One" at times there might not be a bigger idiot on these boards. The only lesson you have taught be is that Mets fans are just like Cubs fans they can open their mouth and can't back up what they are saying. What is childish about asking you to stand behind your statement with proof. You can't do it because you don't have any proof. I wish someone would do me a favor and check all the facts that I have posted on this thread and let me know if they are true or false. If you find one made up statistic I will leave and never come back.


The Guy's right i looked all of the facts up, they are all accurate and 100% right. The guy knows his baseball. Not all Mets fans are babblers. Like Me, The Mets fans that are like you said are the ones who think just because we had one good season, they think we are a dynasty, When the Mets win a WS and have about Three good seasons of above .500 baseball, then i'll start talking. I'm not saying that were gonna suck this year. It's just that with some of the losses (Martinez, Bradford, Floyd) and how the Phillies have gotten better(F.Garcia, Howard, Utley, Rollins) It's not gonna be a One-Shot over the NL. If the Mets win 9 consecutive games in the Opening Week, then thats a good sign. But if they struggle, then watch what you say

[CARDS2501]

The Guy's right i looked all of the facts up, they are all accurate and 100% right. The guy knows his baseball. Not all Mets fans are babblers. Like Me, The Mets fans that are like you said are the ones who think just because we had one good season, they think we are a dynasty, When the Mets win a WS and have about Three good seasons of above .500 baseball, then i'll start talking. I'm not saying that were gonna suck this year. It's just that with some of the losses (Martinez, Bradford, Floyd) and how the Phillies have gotten better(F.Garcia, Howard, Utley, Rollins) It's not gonna be a One-Shot over the NL. If the Mets win 9 consecutive games in the Opening Week, then thats a good sign. But if they struggle, then watch what you say


Thank you very much that must have been very time consuming but I really appreciate the fact that you did it. I have stood behind everything I have said in these forums and it is nice to have someone back me up. Maybe this will shut up MetsFan4AMansTouch.

Hopefully the Mets lose the first 3 games of the season but after that if you want to run off 10-20-30 wins in a row that would be fine with me. :lol:

[Metlover22]

Thank you very much that must have been very time consuming but I really appreciate the fact that you did it. I have stood behind everything I have said in these forums and it is nice to have someone back me up. Maybe this will shut up MetsFan4AMansTouch.

Hopefully the Mets lose the first 3 games of the season but after that if you want to run off 10-20-30 wins in a row that would be fine with me. :lol:


Your very Welcome, i'm not so sure that's gonna happen, But it's baseball anything can happen :nono: :cool:

[CARDS2501]

well if you start 0-3 that means we start 3-0 I am thrilled with that part of it.