jose canseco!

[m3tra]

why isnt jose canseco in the game!?check out my post on the other espn board the one right below discussions.heh

[GoYanks016]

why isnt jose canseco in the game!?check out my post on the other espn board the one right below discussions.heh

he isnt in the game because he's retired. he isnt a legend or anything...

[bhl]

would you really want a juiced up has been in the game anyways?

[g-unit80744]

why isnt jose canseco in the game!?check out my post on the other espn board the one right below discussions.heh

Well maybe because he retired. :roll:

[mistermet]

isnt he in jail or something? i remember a couple of years ago watching him play with his twin brother Ozzie on the Newark Bears (Atlantic League). It was pretty cool to see him in such a small park in a small indepedent league in the middle of NJ. he hit a bomb too. must have went in the parking lot.

[boondocksaint]

yeah i thought he was under house arrest for those bar fights.

[ut_jazz]

has his tell everything book come out yet?

[g-unit80744]

yeah i thought he was under house arrest for those bar fights.

Yeah he is I remember he got arrested durin 03. He's a maniac. Talk about McGwire being on steriod. :roll:

[bhl]

he has been on jim romes show on espn, he went nuts. talk about psychos

[San Franpsycho]

He was ALWAYS crazy, I remember him when he was an A. Anybody who goes out with Madonna in those days was crazy. He's also probably on 'roid rage.

[twinsrockmysox]

ouchers sanfran lol that last bit on ur sig hurts hehe :lol:

[m3tra]

i still think he can play.in his last full seasson with tampa he had 95 rbi's in 113 games and 30 plus homers.as for the rumors of him being on house arrest, im dont think so.he tried out for the dodgers this srping training he went to the open try out.

[m3tra]

another thing if hes been retired.why was he in last years game?

[rave_nomad]

Canseco tried out for the padres..and flunked out....he was really just trying to sell books...he just wrote a book dishing on all the roid use....dude is a has been that never really was..peace.

[g-unit80744]

he has been on jim romes show on espn, he went nuts. talk about psychos

WHat did he do?

[Bears34]

Yeah he tried to comeback and it was embarrasing. He didnt take it seriously and just did it to sell his book. Atleast I hope so. Didnt you see the footage of him at that open try out??? He looked like a complete idiot who had never even played baseball before.

He has nothing left. Absolutley nothing. And Im sure MLB just doesnt want him affialiated with them. Thats why hes not in the game.

[Foulke29]

I remember him on the Sox. A flyball bounced off his head and went over the fence for a homerun.

[Bears34]

That was a great highlight. I never get tired of seeing that.

Considering how big his head is Im surprised it only happened once.

[scottyo118]

regardless of his comic nature, at one point he was a flat out baller. he was a legitimate 5 tool guy. i don't know if anyone was old enough to watch him play with mcgwire on the a's in the late 80's and early 90's but he was sick. as far as a human being, not so nice, and now, completely washed up.

[Bears34]

I did see him in his hay day. And he was spectacular. He could have been much more than he turned out to be.

All the talent in the world cant make up for a warped brain.

[ut_jazz]

One of the best power hitters ever.

[scottyo118]

i can't remember, does he end up in the hall of fame in world series 2k3? more importantly should he be in the hall of fame? I know this post doesn't belong here and the whole thread could be moved but i'll ask anyway.

[Bears34]

Im guessing since he flat out admitted to using steroids he wont get in.

[ut_jazz]

He's not in the HOF right now. He is 26th on the all time career home run list. He had a lot of years where he got injured and couldn't play the full season. I don't think he will make it in because of his low batting average.

[g-unit80744]

One of the best power hitters ever.

Especially when he was with MCGwire.

The Bash Brothers

[lowgun19]

I don't know if you guys ever listen to ESPN radio, but they were talking a while back that Jose was going to enter a long drive contest in golf. They said he was just trying to get back in the limelight somehow. But, if he did, I would watch.

[scottyo118]

If his golfing ability is anything like his baseball ability, he will miss the ball half the time, and the other half the time it will go a mile. I just hope no one bounces a golf ball off his dome and onto the green!

[g-unit80744]

If his golfing ability is anything like his baseball ability, he will miss the ball half the time, and the other half the time it will go a mile. I just hope no one bounces a golf ball off his dome and onto the green!

LOL :roll:

[m3tra]

yea that was funny.''and its off his head!'' i dont think hes hall of fame material.i think he could DH a little.i think hes really quiting baseball this time.after his last tryout he said ''thats it. i hope hollywood is ready for me.'' or something to that effect.heh hes nuts.

[scottyo118]

I second that, Jose has never been right in the head. Maybe it was all those home runs he took off the head. wait that was only once, i guess when you see the highlight so much it just seems like it happenend all the time.

[Budd5335]

Guys Canseco gave up two hr's off his head once when with Texas were he also pitched an inning in 93' and the second was when he was with Toronto in 98'.

[scottyo118]

The pitching I remember, but two hr's off his head? I only remember 1. At any rate, all this discussion over one of baseball's truly unique players.

[super28sonic]

Maaaaaaaan, F U N K Jose Canseco.

The guys a roid bangin bum.


Him and his boyfriend McGuire belong in the Hall of Shame.

(not to mention a few others...)

*Cough*Barry*Cough*

[scottyo118]

That woulld be spelled McGwire as in Mark McGwire. He is in a totally different class than Jose. McGwire will make the hall of fame on the first ballot. He was one of the true power hitters of our time.

[super28sonic]

That woulld be spelled McGwire as in Mark McGwire. He is in a totally different class than Jose. McGwire will make the hall of fame on the first ballot. He was one of the true power hitters of our time.

Next time I need a spell checker I'll ask.

And regardless of how you spell his name he is a FRAUD.

MLB should erase every stat the guy put up.


Or put a * next to every stat and next to it write




*- with steroids.

[Trevytrev11]

McGwire publically admitted to using andro (not a steroid and not a banned substance) during his homrun prime. The guy was a pure power hitter. He hit 49 HR's in his first season when he weighed 200 lbs.
He truely is in a different class than Canseco. McGwire shyed away from the spotlight as much as one man could during his record year. He paid great tribute to marris and his family when he broke the record. When he hit .207 with the A's in the 90's, he took a pay cut because he felt he didn't deserve what they were paying him. He wasn't after records, thats why he walked away from the game when he did. He could played five more years to pile up some numbers and get up there on the homerun list, but he knew it would hurt the team if he did. Growing up near the Bay Area, I went to tons of A's games, but I was always a CAnseco and Henderson fan because they were always in the spot light. It wasn;t until McGwire left that I realized he was the one I should have been watching the whole time. He is a classy athlete and an ambassador of what baseball is. He has always been a guy to sign autographs and donate to charities. Canseco was always the guy charging 20 bucks for his autograph and Bonds rarely even signs anything or even looks and waves at players.

***The best peice of Canseco Memorablilia I have is a plaque titled 40/40/120 club. It has a copy of the ticket he got doing 120 in Miami and there is a baseball card with his stats on it.

[Martin Dihigo]

mac most likely took steriods as well as andro and whatever else.
Its a sad fact that baseball did little to keep steroids out of competition and training periods.

Bonds and Mac were both great all time hitters but it would be extremely naive to believe they didn't use things like steroids, growth hormones etc...

[San Franpsycho]

mac most likely took steriods as well as andro and whatever else.
Its a sad fact that baseball did little to keep steroids out of competition and training periods.

Bonds and Mac were both great all time hitters but it would be extremely naive to believe they didn't use things like steroids, growth hormones etc...

Not to mention that McGwire's brother is a proffessional body builder who has admitted to using steroids in the past. McGwire worked out with him a lot.

[scottyo118]

Supersonic
Gee let's just put an * next to every new record in every sport becuase we really don't know who is on roids these days. McGwire was a great power hitter. You cannot argue that. He was also of high moral fiber, which is more than we can say for many people.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

This has become a baseball discussion.

Moved.

[bmorrison]

In My Opinion, Canseco isn't a hall of famer.

Objectively, he hit 426 HR's with a .266 Avg. with a ROY and and an MVP.

I think the stats alone and being short of 500 HR's and 1500 RBI's with somewhat low AVG makes him a toss up to the voters however his off the field behavior will take crucial votes away that will eventually keep him out.

[Nomahh]

Anyone here about how he is making an action movie? They said it on BDSSP. Another phsyco in the league is Rocker. He pitcher for the Sox like twice and when they traded him he was ****ed. He started flipping out in the club house knockin over coolers and stuff

[bmorrison]

the thing about rocker, is that he was pretty dominant for a short while and then he went and mouthed off to SI and being weak mentally couldn't handle the backlash. Look at Bonds, steroids or not, the guy is tough mentally to take the backlash of steroids, losing his dad, people hating him for being a pretty big jerk but he his still dominant.

[scottyo118]

True, Bonds is tough regardless of what happens. My beef with Bonds is all that protective gear. I would lean out over the plate of a Gagne fastball too if I was wearing full body armor like he does. Still to his credit, he has the fastest hands I have ever seen. The guy is flat out amazing.

Canseco will not get into the hall of fame. His numbers are just not enough.

The more interesting question will be Rafael Palmiero. He has over 500 homeruns, but is he going to be worthy of the HOF?

[bmorrison]

Yeah, I can't stand bonds. Everyday I hope for his professional demise. All that protective gear, his attitude towards baseball history, the game, his team mates, not to mention that he recieved steroids from his personal trainer who was a known steroid dealer. Given all that, he is dominant plus the last five years he has gotten better compared to most of his contemporaries that decline as they approach 40. Remember he only has about 400 AB a year compared to most players with 500-600. Palmeiro is HOF material, at first I didn't think so but once I checked his stats I think that he is. Maybe not first ballot.

[scottyo118]

Palmeiro's stats are good, but it's hard to vote a guy in on just stats. He's almost always played for mediocre teams and is best known for doing Viagra commercials. I say he is the first 500 HR guy to be kept out of the HOF.

[bmorrison]

Not to mention that RP nixed a trade to the contending Cubs to stay with the Rangers. I realize there is more involved outside of baseball in moving to another team, but in the end it should be about winning and winning a WS. To RP, it isn't that important otherwise he would have gone. I still think he gets in. He could have over 550 HR's or more when its all over with. I don't see the HOF keeping a guy out with that many dingers with a .290 career avg.

[m3tra]

i cant belive im hearing this.rafael palmeiro will get in first ballot.man he only has like 58 rbi's less than barry bonds.he already has more than 500 hr's.if he keeps hitting them this year and anytime after this season he will be passing alot of great players on the over rated career homerun list.he is a very good player and very underrated.

[bmorrison]

Well, right now it is a topic for debate so you probably need to get use to hearing it. If you listen to any sports talk radio when they talk about RP they will enevitably get to the HOF topic and some people argue he shouldn't be there. I agree with you he belongs in the hall of fame but there is reason to question certain things with every player which is what I am doing if you look back and read what I have written. He does have 58 RBI fewer than Bonds but with about 200 more AB per year than Bonds. Not something that makes him a worse player but puts things in perspective and magnifies just how dominant Bonds has been steroids or not.

[scottyo118]

Palmeiro is just a good player who has done well for quite awhile. He is never under pressure to perform as he is usually not on a good team. I'm not denying the man has skills, but HOF just doesn't sound right to me. Obviously his numbers are very comparable, even exceed many HOFamers, but I just can't see myself going to Coperstown and seeing Palmeiro there. I guess it's that the HOF should be reserved for great players who made the game great. Palmeiro hasn't done anything memorable. When he retires I will say, he was a pretty good player, has good numbers, and did the Viagra thing. He will probably get in, but I wouldn't put him there. But hey, the NFL has put in mediocre players into its HOF, not that Palmeiro is mediocre, he's just not great!

[bmorrison]

I agree a lot with what you say Scotty and I can definately see the arguement that he doesn't belong there matter a fact I didn't think he belonged there until this year when he kept up his HR and RBI's. I think he should be in but I totally see your point.

[scottyo118]

I think this would be fun as a new thread. Hall of Fame or Not!
Let's see how it goes!