pressing dont mean u aint sim..

[rebel31]

i think that alot of people dont really understand what "sim" is...i feel like this because people are always talkin about how they play "sim" compared to how other people play and calling them cheesers...people throw the label "cheeser around loosely and ima say this... A CHEESER IS NOT SOMEONE WHO DOESNT PLAY HOW YOU WANT THEM TO PLAY!!!

just cuz someone dont play how you want them to play dont make them a cheeser...its HOW they play that makes it cheese...example if someone shoots 30 threes a game...it aint cheese...now if they shoot 30 glitch release threes and makes like 25 of them its obviously cheese...if someone gets the majority of their pts in the paint...it aint cheese...but if they run around with oden tryin to pull off incredible spin moves every time that is cheese (in fact ive NEVER actually seen oden make a spin move and slam on anyone this season his handle aint that nice)

alot of people seem equate mid range jumpers with sim play...im gonna say shooting mid range jumpers dont make you sim...if you shoot 25 mid range jumpers a game that definitely aint sim cuz that RARELY happens in real life...mid range jumpers arent used that much in real life...so if you shoot a grip of mid range jumpers that dont make you sim...IT DONT MAKE YOU A CHEESER EITHER!! (unless youre glitch releasing your mid range shots)

so...

EVERYBODY WHO PLAYS ONLINE HAS THEIR OWN PHILOSOPHY ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN... some people wanna live and die by the 3...some people wanna pound the post...and some people look for primarily intermediate range shots...there's nothin wrong with any of these philosophies...all of them constitute a "sim" style of play...its HOW you get those shots that determines whether its cheese or not like i explained above...same goes for defense...

EVERYBODY WHO PLAYS ONLINE HAS THEIR OWN PHILOSOPHY ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN...some people wanna run man2man "D" some people wanna use a zone...some poeple wanna press and get back to man...some people wanna press and get back into a zone...some people wanna constantly switch up their "D" and ALL of that constitutes a sim style of play at the individual level...people always say "you cant press ALL GAME...thats cheese... i say...why not...? ive NEVER heard anyone say "YOU RAN A 2-3 ON ME ALL GAME LONG UR A CHEESER" or "ALL YOU DID WAS PLAY MAN2MAN...UR A CHEESER" so why is it that you cant press people as much as you want if you can run any kind of half court defense as much as you want...presses aint nothin but FULL COURT DEFENSE...if i guard the ball handler full court every time no one says its cheese...buyt soon as you press someone they get all upset... personally i dont press all game long but all of my games are different...some games i press some i dont press at all...BUT I DONT GIVE A RATS BACKSIDE IF YOU PRESS ME ALL GAME OR NOT...if i cant beat it...then looks like im in for a lesson on how to beat it...

in a perfect world every one would have the exact same philosophy and every one would go to a different look every posession and everyone would give all their players equal playin time and no one would ever lose games...

BUT THIS AINT A PERFECT WORLD...THIS IS REALITY (SIMULATION) in the SIM world EVEYBODY WANTS TO WIN...so coaches find ways to make the other team uncomfortable on offense (ie: presses and different zone and man looks) WITHIN IN THE CONFINES AND RULES OF THE GAME...why do you think coaches recruit 7' players...? oh lemme guess to shoot all mid range jumpers right...? no... they recruit them so that they can go inside CONSISTENTLY and be stronger defensively...

some of you guys who claim to be sim them complain all day about "sim" s h i t are RIDICULOUS... i bet if rick pitino watched some of you guys play with his team he'd call you stupid...probably in a nicer way though...he'd probably say why arent you pressin or going inside..? you "sim" guys would say "cuz people think its cheese to press or go inside so all im gonna do with your super athletic team is shoot mid range shots.." how stupid does that sound..? whatever team you like utilize their strengths and try to hide their weaknesses...and PLAY straight up from their...dont glitch release, pull the plug, pause on fts...lag into arbitration...we need to preserve the integrity of the game and take our wins/losses graciously...

if someone makes you uncomfortable with somethin they do its not necessarily cheese as long as its in the rules and its not a glitch...just because you dont like what someone does dont mean it aint sim...it just means you dont like it...if someone shot like 30 mid range jumpers against me...it aint sim (cuz that never happens in real life) but it aint cheese either (as long as they aint glitch release)

sorry this was so long but people need to hear/read this...

[BamaStyle]

When have you seen a real game that a team pressed all game, every inbounds? Second, its cool if you want to press all game...I will probably pass out of it and score more times than you can get a turnover for a bucket.

There is a sim press...

The biggest thing with the press is when someone brings both there big guys up to guard the inbounds... that is totally exploiting the press and the game, IMO.

[colesioe]

Bama you are a good player you don't press you shoot a little more 3 pointers, ie quick release but you are good, you beat me & arizona last nite and the only reaso i gave you neg was for that unnecessary 3 at the end, but i look forward to playing you again

sam i am 314

[BamaStyle]

dude, I'm not worried about it.... You cracked me up because I could hear you while we were playing...every rebound I got just got you hot... I paused at the end to look at the rebound stats just so I could hear you screaming...that was hilarious.

As for shooting 3's...I will always try to keep it under 20 a game..but when I have 3 shooters in the 80's from 3 land..I'm going to shoot 3's with them..especially if I fall behind.. most of the shots were open anyway.

And that last 3 at the end.......My philosophy is this...If I am trying to run out the clock when I have definately won the game and someone is still trying to rip it out from me...I'm going to keep playing..plus the shot clock must have been low for me to put it up from 3..I usually shoot a fadeway with a big man to avoid the violation.

[colesioe]

dude i have never seen someone get 15 yes 15 offensive boards thats why i was hot just wasn't fair , now i now about the home court advantage ,but even you have to say that was kind of ridiculas

[BurnYa]

It doesn't matter if you play sim or not. This is a video game its not real basketball. You have to do different things to be effective than are done in real baskeball. Different people have different strengths and you have to do what you are good at to win.

[DaProphetho]

Pressing cool, standing in front of opponents inbounder reaching is BS. Bringing center up and using 5 guys to press and trap ball handler is BS. U got 5 guys chasing ur ballhandler yet u cant throw it to the 3 open guys on other side of court, LOL. The offense gets penalized for defenses cheesy play...

[rebel31]

When have you seen a real game that a team pressed all game, every inbounds? Second, its cool if you want to press all game...I will probably pass out of it and score more times than you can get a turnover for a bucket.

1st of all...i coach a freshman basketball team and we HAVE pressed all game long several times this season...why? because the other team struggled against it...actually in retrospect it wasnt all game long cuz when we were up about 26 with 4 mins left in the 4th i called the dogs off...but our varsity (who lost in the state championship this year) runs what id call a "soft" press all game long to constantly and consistently disrupt the offense...also i have definitely seen a full court man2man defense as a player and a coach and that is a fullcourt high pressure defense (press)...and there are lots of teams who run a solid full court m2m defense all game...a full court press doesnt have to be a trap or a zone...full court d is full court d no matter if its m2m or not...

2nd of all bama i didnt press you at all the other night when we played...this is pointgod if you didnt know...i usually dont press all game because i dont really like to gamble on defense...i have good half court defense so id rather rely on solid d then pressing...however if i press someone and they consistently turn it over then i aint takin the press off untill they start consistently beating me for layups or im up by 25...also if someone cant CONSISTENTLY beat my press i'll keep it on...say if they turn it over 1 out of 4 possessions then its in my favor to keep it on...

3rd your reasoning is flawed...ur saying its not right to press all game because weve supposedly never seen it in a "real" game...your reasoning is flawed...just because weve never seen somethin in a real game doesnt mean that you cant do it...or it cant happen...before dean smith INVENTED the four corners offense no one had seen it...so it mustve been cheese right...? you can run your team any way you want to...your the coach...now theres honorable ways to run a team and there are dishonorable ways to play, however pressing isnt dishonorable and people shouldnt feel bad for doing it...its a part of basketball...if you dont attempt to make a full court pass against the press or try to turbo your way through it its easy to beat as you already know...


The biggest thing with the press is when someone brings both there big guys up to guard the inbounds... that is totally exploiting the press and the game, IMO.

yea im not advocating that you should exploit the game engine, all im sayin is that whatever someone does on offense or defense (as long as its not exploiting the engine) is their own business...as many people as there on the earth is how many different ways there are to do things...if i dont like the way someone runs their team i wont call him/her a cheeser unless they are blatantly not playing the game right ie: hopstepping then pivoting (which would get whistled as a TRAVEL in real life) pausing during free throws, drop glitchind AND quick releasing the three...how many times have you seen someone just shove a quick 3 in real life...in real life they wouldnt go in as often as they go in in the game...and i bet if they DIDNT go in people WOULDNT do it...so people who throw up quick release shots are exploiting the game engines shooting...and the defense has no control over that..you could be playing great defense and someone can just throw up a little quick release which takes ZERO skill to do and itll go in most of the time...at least with pressing it takes skill to run an effective press and a skilled player can beat it...i say is pressing is cheese then the quick release is SUPER cheese...if someone who quick releases calls the press cheese i just cant respect it...

i think you are a solid player...you run offense and you "coach" your team and the fact that you quick release doesnt make you a cheeser in my book...i dont think you quick released often but you did it enough...and they went in...you went like 9-14 from 3 or somethin close to that...and id approximate that at least 4 of your threes were quick...none of mine were...but i didnt lose that game because of the your quick release...i lost it because we turned the ball over when we were running clock...i was up 2 with 40 seconds left and we turned it over and you hit a three...then your defense held up at the end and i think you beat me by like 4 or 5 cuz i had to foul...it was a good game...duke vs bama...

[rebel31]

Pressing cool, standing in front of opponents inbounder reaching is BS. Bringing center up and using 5 guys to press and trap ball handler is BS. U got 5 guys chasing ur ballhandler yet u cant throw it to the 3 open guys on other side of court, LOL. The offense gets penalized for defenses cheesy play...


yea i agree thats cheese but what you can do is be patient and just simply get the ball to half court then immediately icon pass it to your center for a dunk...for some reason in the game you cant throw the ball from inbounds to half court but you can throw it from half court all the way down :confused: (key: you have to be just over half court or else youll risk turning it over) so i love when people bring their center up into the press...i know if i can get it to half court then i got a layup...

[rebel31]

It doesn't matter if you play sim or not. This is a video game its not real basketball. You have to do different things to be effective than are done in real baskeball. Different people have different strengths and you have to do what you are good at to win.

thats true i think people forget that its a video game untill they find something that serves their best interest...i mean alotta of people who supposedly play sim still quick release it like crazy then say "my bad man that was an accident" then im thinkin 'what about the other 5 times?' thats why i play however i play now...i dont cheese...i dont quick release...and i dont play people whos vip says that they quick release it 20% of the time and whos last games stats shows that they shot 50 threes half of which went in...lol...

[BamaStyle]

I think we are all in agreement when we say pressing is not an issue..its how the press is ran..ie..bringing 5 guys up...

I didn't know that was your S/N, Colin....You should have sent me a message... I do remember that game vaguely...

[rebel31]

I think we are all in agreement when we say pressing is not an issue..its how the press is ran..ie..bringing 5 guys up...

i can totally agree with that...press in and of itself isnt cheese but people can run cheesy presses...

I didn't know that was your S/N, Colin....You should have sent me a message... I do remember that game vaguely...

yea i changed it from hoopdreamz31 cuz some cheeser...aka madhandles stole my name cuz he liked it so much...i didnt want to be in any way compared or associated with him so i just changed my g/t...but yea man i'll send you a friend request...