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SIMSAHOY
June 18th, 2007, 10:17 AM
I love the franchise and I still play NFL 2k5. I did not want to buy madden. Now because APF2k8 does not have fanchise I will most likely end up buying Madden if the costumers give it a good review. I am going to buy APF2k8 because I know it will be fun. Next year if 2k has all the presentation and franchise stuff I will not give Madden a second thought. and I am glad that people are complaining because from my experience 2k does listen.

just my opinion.

xlRunandSh00tlx
June 18th, 2007, 10:26 AM
:rotfl: I will most likely end up buying Madden:rotfl:

Have fun

broadwayjoe831
June 18th, 2007, 10:31 AM
i think it would be a bad idea to have franchise in a game with legends, how would they progress? eventually you'd just get a whole team of generic players, and that would be a lot of wasted money that 2k spent on legends if you're not going to use them

tsp120
June 18th, 2007, 10:36 AM
i think it would be a bad idea to have franchise in a game with legends, how would they progress? eventually you'd just get a whole team of generic players, and that would be a lot of wasted money that 2k spent on legends if you're not going to use them

whats the difference between that and the franchise mode in 2K5? Eventually in that game you will only have generic players as well.

xThaKidx
June 18th, 2007, 10:44 AM
FORGET FRANCHISE..ITS POINTLESS....GET ONLINE AND TAKE ON SOME REAL PEOPLE..NOT COMPUTERS...IM TIRED OF PEOPLE COMLAINING ABOUT NO FRANCHISE

WAH :( WAH WAH :( NO FRANCHISE WAH

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT WILL HELP ANYTHING....

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FRANCHISE ISSUE...STAY OFF THESE FORUMS AND COUNTDOWN THE DAYS TILL MADDEN COMES OUT

broadwayjoe831
June 18th, 2007, 10:47 AM
whats the difference between that and the franchise mode in 2K5? Eventually in that game you will only have generic players as well.


yea, but the core of that is building up your favorite team, or taking a longshot to the playoffs, that stuff doesnt require the current NFL players, it has to do with the draft and whatnot.

the whole point of the game is the legends, its based off of legends, the gameplay is made for the legends, the new rating system was made for the legends etc. when you stop playing with the legends, you stop playing APF 2K8

totalownership
June 18th, 2007, 11:12 AM
the whole point of the game is the legends, its based off of legends, the gameplay is made for the legends, the new rating system was made for the legends etc. when you stop playing with the legends, you stop playing APF 2K8

I wont go that far with it broadway. lol


But people you have to understand, they didn't have time to properly implement franchise elements in the game. I'll tell you like this, if we play this game and see the gameplay is phenomenal. If we can see where it's been tweaked like a mother and plays like FOOTBALL and is pretty much glitch free then we can honestly see where all the time went. If, however, we see it's a barely upgraded 2K5 then we can complain. Not so much that it's a barely upgraded 2K5 but that with the time they had they should have come out with more than a barely upgraded 2K5.

Let's just get the game in our hands and see from there. Reviews wont even help us really understand the game as those guys wont be playing it to death like we will. We have to play it and THEN we can start praising or complaining.

Dirymac73
June 18th, 2007, 11:14 AM
yea, but the core of that is building up your favorite team, or taking a longshot to the playoffs, that stuff doesnt require the current NFL players, it has to do with the draft and whatnot.

the whole point of the game is the legends, its based off of legends, the gameplay is made for the legends, the new rating system was made for the legends etc. when you stop playing with the legends, you stop playing APF 2K8


You make a good point here and I've been saying the same thing. In the NFL franchise is cool and all, but if you play more than 5 seasons you are going to end up with a gang of unknowns in your league. It makes for longevity but it's of more value in the College game where the names are all fictional anyway.

I don't want my legends to retire, that defeats the purpose, to then at some point you will have made up teams and players - what is the poin of that?

This is going to be the only tournament worthy sports game this year - watch.

shady8175sd
June 18th, 2007, 11:21 AM
I personally don't think franchise should be in this game. It could be in APF if you would start out with a few legends and every year in the draft their could possibly be a legend or 2 to pick maybe more.

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 11:23 AM
Who says that they have to retire? Start the legends in their prime like between the ages of 23-27. Then you play from their. I have never played franchise mode longer than 7 years. The legends will be in their early to mid 30s. Perhaps they can play until they are 40 or close to it. Or they can do this, have a 10 year franchise mode and that would eliminate any retirements.

Prince_RIP4eVa
June 18th, 2007, 11:28 AM
FORGET FRANCHISE..ITS POINTLESS....GET ONLINE AND TAKE ON SOME REAL PEOPLE..NOT COMPUTERS...IM TIRED OF PEOPLE COMLAINING ABOUT NO FRANCHISE

WAH :( WAH WAH :( NO FRANCHISE WAH

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT WILL HELP ANYTHING....

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FRANCHISE ISSUE...STAY OFF THESE FORUMS AND COUNTDOWN THE DAYS TILL MADDEN COMES OUT

1. like I said, some people can't afford xbox live.

2. calm down...wow..

ohjtbehaaave
June 18th, 2007, 11:28 AM
I can't see why people are sooooo hung up on the Franchise stuff. If the gameplay rocks in 2K8 FB... and we know the Online Leagues and stuff rock.... what is the big deal for 2K's first effort?

Here's an example. I bought Fight Night 3 because I thought the GAMEPLAY was solid. Fighting my friends and even online is pretty fun stuff. The Career mode is pretty lame and has been forever in the FN games. Sure I'd like a cooler and Deeper Career mode... But I didn't let that weak career mode stop me from having fun with the Gameplay.

It's a weird thing that some gamers are more concerned about what happens OFF THE FIELD... than what's going on... ON THE FIELD. For a FIRST effort on Next Gen... just be concerned with how 2K8 FB plays on the field. All the other modes and stuff will follow in the next game.

If you want an example to NOT follow for your first attempt at Next Gen Football... go look at what EA put out with Madden 06. It was a GUTTED mess of a football game. No modes and the gameplay sucked major donkey balls. Madden 07 added Franchise modes etc... but the gameplay still blew.

What the people complaining about "No Franchise' mode are pretty much saying is... give me a Medicore FB game, that's not Next Gen but HAS a Franchise mode.... over saying what a real FB fan would say... and that's "FORGET the Franchise mode if it's going to help 2K concentrate on giving us a 'Next Gen' Playing FB game."

2K/VC is making the RIGHT decision working on Gameplay for Next Gen... and not worrying/wasting time on some Franchise modes that will take away from making the Gameplay on the field better. They can only do so much for a first effort... and no Franchise is no biggie if the Gameplay is there. So STFU all you whiners. Don't buy the F'ing thing than if Franchise is such a big deal to you. Can these whiners beat a dead horse anymore than this or what?

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 11:30 AM
It might not be a big deal to you but it is for me.

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 11:36 AM
So dont tell us not to whine or byotch or moan. We are the ones spending our hard earned money on this game and if its not what I think it should be, I wont buy it plain and simple. I love gameplay, thats the first thing I want in a game, longevity is the next and then graphics and so on. This is a watered down version of NFL 2k5.

ohjtbehaaave
June 18th, 2007, 11:36 AM
Well if it's that big a deal to you... than don't buy it! Simple as that. Case closed. Nobodies pointing a gun at you.
Like I said before... Beating a dead horse like this will not make a Franchise mode magically appear. Get over it!

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 11:38 AM
Whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just voicing my opinion just like everyone else.

ohjtbehaaave
June 18th, 2007, 11:43 AM
It's fine to voice your opinion... and in a perfect world 2k8 Fb would have a Franchise mode. But it doesn't... and we can't change that. Unless if what you guys are claiming is that Franchise mode is Sooooooooooo critical to have... that they cancel 2K8 FB for this year.... and they go to work on Franchise mode and then come out with 2K9 FB in July 2008. Is that what you guys want? Because that's what it would take. And basically that's what you can do if 2K8 FB doesn't live up to what you expected. Don't get it. End of Story.

There wasn't enough time to do EVEYTHING in their FIRST effort. Like I said before... go see what Madden was the first 2 times on 360. 2K/VC concentrating on GAMEPLAY for their first effort is the way to go. Franchise Modes etc.... are WORTHLESS if the game blows ... such is the case with the Madden's on 360 so far.

Gameplay FIRST... Everything else SECOND.

JimiTH1RTE3N
June 18th, 2007, 12:24 PM
I keep thinking, "why do these clowns keep thinking my purpose for playing Franchise is to play against a computer?" But I keep forgetting 2K never made Franchise mode for two players. But Franchise just adds another level of realism.

But whats the use explaining it again to a bunch of knuckleheaded kids that get online just to verbally abuse people without the repercussions of a real live person in front of you.

(not all online gamers, but the ones that find it necessary to childishly tease Franchise players like were still in grammar school.)

jddcp
June 18th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Geez, I thought Madden heads were bad! I'm starting to think some of you posters have stock in Take Two or work for 2k Sports!

Some of you guys always say....."I'd pay $60 for the game just because, I know 2ksports did this and did that and cares". Well if they care, then why shouldn't people who like franchise let them know. Maybe they left franchise out because they didn't think 2k fans would care. Apparently, they are wrong to a large extent because a lot of people do care.

We are consumers! That is our job and right to COMPLAIN if we want something changed!!!!

Also, enough of this...it's all about gameplay! If that's the case, then just keep playing 2k5 on your old PS2 or Xbox! Hell, Why upgrade? Football is Football right? Why get a XBOX360 or PS3?? If gameplay is all you care about (and not graphics, presentation and other bells and whistles) than all of you should be fine playing 5 year old games on your PS2 or even PS Ones as long as the gameplay is tight!

I'm not going to buy a Camry or Lexus without test driving it first just because the last Camry I had was great. I'll try it out and decide. And I definitely would be nervous if they said its a still a Camry but sorry, no radio, CD player, cruise control, and other extras...but its still a Camry

tsp120
June 18th, 2007, 12:39 PM
I have a question for those who don't know why people are complaining about not having a franchise.

What if 2K had come out with a game with a deep franchise, but said they didn't have enough time to put in online play? Would you not complain?

Prince_RIP4eVa
June 18th, 2007, 12:44 PM
I have a question for those who don't know why people are complaining about not having a franchise.

What if 2K had come out with a game with a deep franchise, but said they didn't have enough time to put in online play? Would you not complain?

damn... good post...

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 12:47 PM
Online play doesnt matter to me because I dont play online. But there are people that do play online and they would be complaining just as much as we are.

tsp120
June 18th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Online play doesnt matter to me because I dont play online. But there are people that do play online and they would be complaining just as much as we are.
exactly, but the irony is they are the people telling us not to complain about having no franchise.

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Agree........

xThaKidx
June 18th, 2007, 01:05 PM
I have a question for those who don't know why people are complaining about not having a franchise.

What if 2K had come out with a game with a deep franchise, but said they didn't have enough time to put in online play? Would you not complain?


no i wouldnt complain because i play both offline an online..i preferr online but crying about it wont help anything, and if it had a DEEP franchise than i wouldnt complain about the game at all..

another thing is i think it would be better with NFL teams and players but i dont really care..the game is gonna be sick

jddcp
June 18th, 2007, 01:08 PM
no i wouldnt complain because i play both offline an online..i preferr online but crying about it wont help anything, and if it had a DEEP franchise than i wouldnt complain about the game at all..

another thing is i think it would be better with NFL teams and players but i dont really care..the game is gonna be sick


Well you can go ahead and leap before you look. I prefer to look BEFORE I leap.

Really, 2k is in no position to say...SHUT UP AND PLAY THE GAME...

Madden can say it because it has a huge fan base and people will buy it regardless. 2K is trying to GROW into a big fan base and comments like that or comments from "2k heads" that I'll buy the game no matter what, won't help.

That doesn't build fans it builds complacency.

Lacarious
June 18th, 2007, 01:28 PM
franchise is obviously needed but online franchises are more important for the future of sports gaming.

wildcat86
June 18th, 2007, 01:36 PM
franchise is obviously needed but online franchises are more important for the future of sports gaming.

If 2k thinks they can alienate over half their customers,they won't be a part of that future.Online gamers will not be enough to support their effort.

GhostRider
June 18th, 2007, 01:44 PM
I keep thinking, "why do these clowns keep thinking my purpose for playing Franchise is to play against a computer?" But I keep forgetting 2K never made Franchise mode for two players. But Franchise just adds another level of realism.

But whats the use explaining it again to a bunch of knuckleheaded kids that get online just to verbally abuse people without the repercussions of a real live person in front of you.

(not all online gamers, but the ones that find it necessary to childishly tease Franchise players like were still in grammar school.)




In NFL 2k5 every team could be user marked, and thus controllable.

wildcat86
June 18th, 2007, 01:49 PM
The offline 'options' are a joke.Being able to control all the teams and customizing would be the saving grace to not having franchise.To play 16? games,and playoffs aren't much if you play often.I don't think there would be replay value after a few various seasons.

Fair One
June 18th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by tsp120
I have a question for those who don't know why people are complaining about not having a franchise.

What if 2K had come out with a game with a deep franchise, but said they didn't have enough time to put in online play? Would you not complain?

I would not complain if the game was only coming out for the ps3 but for the x360 every sports game must use XBOX LIVE EVERY SPORTS GAME PERIOD so if this only applys to the wii or the ps3. It would never happen its a sports game not MASS EFFECT OR TOBMB RAIDER ITS A SPORTS GAME GET A BETTER ARGUMENT.

P.S buy some other games when you buy all pro so you just won't suck the juice out of the single player in one week

tsp120
June 18th, 2007, 01:56 PM
The offline 'options' are a joke.Being able to control all the teams and customizing would be the saving grace to not having franchise.To play 16? games,and playoffs aren't much if you play often.I don't think there would be replay value after a few various seasons.

Yup. When I heard Greg Thomas (or whatever his name is) say this game would include 'full customization' I got very excited. I know they can't have the NFL and the thought of full customization had my imagination going nuts. I started thinking of how I could run a league. I could do a small league of only east coast cities (since I live on the east coast). I could have a larger league of cities throughout the US or the US, Mexico City and some Canadian cities. I even toyed with the idea of doing a world league.

Then the news came out that you could edit your team, and your team only. That sucked, especially coupled with the fact that there is no franchise. I'm stuck with a 20 team league, none of which are editable and a 16 game season. No customization of a league whatsoever.

GaMeQB11
June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM
some dont realise that this could be a 2k football game killer. If apf2k8 is a big flop we may not see another FB game for a while. no franchise means lower review scored, lower sales and a lower chance of getting the funding apf2k8 needs to come back bigger and better. MOST people play offline, most people are NOT on the internet. Franchise is MORE than half of the FB gaming fan base.

not to mention that the online mode sounds broken so far anyway.

Lacarious
June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM
If 2k thinks they can alienate over half their customers,they won't be a part of that future.Online gamers will not be enough to support their effort.

time will tell but online leagues is where 2K will thrive and survive. Just like 2K5 did many years after it was out.

scottyp180
June 18th, 2007, 02:27 PM
I know a lot of people feel that franchise shouldn't be in the game, or wouldn't work in the game, or that it is not need. But the fact of the matter is that there are many people who buy sports games just to play franchise mode. A lot of people like playing season after season even if the teams ends up as a bunch of nobodies.

I don't see how a franchise with legends would be any different from a franchise with an NFL team. Each team has superstars that have high ratings (like legends) and players with low ratings(like generic players). You can improve your generic players while utilizing your legends to their abilities. And after a couple seasons, I'll say maybe around 7(players being in their mid 30s), the legends start to retire and u need to rebuild your team like in any other sports game.

People don't realize that even if the gameplay is great there is still a lack of modes. There is the season mode, online, and probably a quick game. Madden on the other hand has quick game, franchise, season, superstar, online, and mini camp. And maybe you dont like Madden and maybe you don't use a lot of those game modes but it still gives you a lot of options once you turn on the game.

And online gamers just shut up about saying the franchise is pointless. There are plenty of people who just play offline and plenty of people who play both online and offline. Regardless if you use the mode or not, not having franchise can only effect the game in a negative way.

Personally I don't mind not having Franchise, I could probably just play a couple of seasons and have fun with that. I don't know if 2k has something up their sleeves and there is more game modes we don't know about but I guarantee you that when reviews for the game come out a lot of reviewers will say that the absence of franchise and lack of game modes hurt the game significantly.

ohjtbehaaave
June 18th, 2007, 02:43 PM
I have a question for those who don't know why people are complaining about not having a franchise.

What if 2K had come out with a game with a deep franchise, but said they didn't have enough time to put in online play? Would you not complain?


Now here is a comment that at least had some thought put into it.

You better believe people would complain.... and they would complain a zillion times more and harder than those complaining about no Franchise. More people play 2K games for the online stuff... period. And 2K knows it.

A sports game these days that comes out without online play is dead from the get go. Plus... throw in the fact that 2K's online world is pretty sweet with the Leagues and stuff... and you know why they made sure that Online play was in the game.

I don't think 2K left out the Franchise mode just to tick off the gamers that love Franchise... they left it out because... 1) It would have taken to much time to get in 2K8... and.... 2) It would have taken key developers away from concentrating on the GAMEPLAY!
Yes... the GAMEPLAY is what matter boys. I'll say it for the 50th time. Nobody is going to give a rats dirty bunghole about any Franchise Mode if the gameplay Stinks! All you need to look at as an example is the Madden games on 360 for your proof. you have a Franchise mode in a game that blows and nobody cares about. 2K is smart enough to realize what the priorities are for making a Next Gen game. It's about getting the GAMEPLAY right.

One last time.

A Football game with great GAMEPLAY and no Franchise mode 'this year' = a game Football fans can still get into because it plays great. 2K9 FB gets the extra modes.

A Football game like Madden on 360 which has a hurried Franchise Mode but has awful Gameplay among other awful things = A game Football fans couldn't give a crap about.

It's simple math really. 2K decided Gameplay and online play was first priority... and stuff like Franchise will be in the Next game. You guys make it sound like 2K can just wave a magic wand and everything just appears in the game. Go back and look at EA's first Madden on 360... and than compare it to 2K8 FB in July... and than see how foolish you all sound whining about what 2K's FIRST effort on Next Gen. It's taken EA Sports THREE tries on 360 to finally get it up to par.... and you guys are carrying on about 2K not giving you the kitchen sink on their first try. Get over it!

PS- and the point about the car doesn't really wash here. You can always tell a car dealer you want a CD player, Air conditioning and whatever else you want. And if a Car doesn't have what you want... you can walk out and not buy one... the same as with this 2K8 FB game if your not happy with it. Like I said before... would you guys rather have 2K8 FB without a Franchise mode come out on July 16th 2007.... or does Franchise mode mean so much to you that 2K should just cancel 2K8 FB.... and start work on 2K9 FB which will include the Franchise mode etc... and it will come out July 2008? Because that's the kind of DELAY it would take.

Lacarious
June 18th, 2007, 02:51 PM
At least we know that 2K is not purposefully holding back (unlike another game company) they just don't have the time right now to implement franchise. When they hit us up with their next installment, i'm sure it will have franchise mode.

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 02:56 PM
You are dead WRONG on this. Great gameplay wont have anything to do with adding a franchise mode. The game would just have to be postponed for a few months. Whats a few months anyway if they decide to come out with that mode next year. Well I might have to wait until next year to spend my $60 on something that I think is worth it.

Repercussion39
June 18th, 2007, 02:58 PM
If 2k put a deep franchise and no online play.. i would just switch to madden... I love how i can enjoy both games :)

ohjtbehaaave
June 18th, 2007, 03:06 PM
Oh yeah... postpone 2K8 FB until October where EA's 2 FB games will have then been out for 3 months already. Great Strategy man!

I can't debate this anymore. Some of you just don't understand the time constraints.

Instead of complaining, just save your $60 if 2K8 FB will be so bad.

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Ill plan on not buy it anyway. Maybe for $30 on ebay used. Oh well .

ohjtbehaaave
June 18th, 2007, 03:18 PM
No no no no. Not even for 30 cents should you want to play this game without Franchise Mode. Let's stick to our guns here people!

TheHiss39
June 18th, 2007, 03:29 PM
2k is not getting my money, the person sellin me the game is. So I am sticking to my guns.

Lacarious
June 18th, 2007, 03:37 PM
no franchise? i'm out

EvilEmpire26
June 18th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Just give 2K a chance that is all, give'em a break, they go out of there way to make a game and all the hard work they put into it, sheesh.

twsn88
June 18th, 2007, 04:15 PM
If 2k thinks they can alienate over half their customers,they won't be a part of that future.Online gamers will not be enough to support their effort.

ever since day one with this thing its been nothing but conflicting information with one person saying this, then another with that. theres just too much misinformation and confusion really. thats why i dropped out of the info race a long time ago.......like one of the article that said, if they want to prove a point, the last you want to do is to hold back features and necessary things. i mean my life is to busy to serve their cause. im just gonna buy this game and from my point of view it better be good and be worth my money. thats the only cause im gonna serve and since i know somehow through all this flood of misinfo. 2k will provide....

theshiznetno1
June 18th, 2007, 04:45 PM
In the end, NCAA doesn't impress me. I usually always buy it b/c I love college football. So if this season mode has just a little spark to it, I'll be getting APF.

SIMSAHOY
June 18th, 2007, 05:00 PM
In the end, NCAA doesn't impress me. I usually always buy it b/c I love college football. So if this season mode has just a little spark to it, I'll be getting APF.
imgetting all 3.

theshiznetno1
June 18th, 2007, 06:34 PM
imgetting all 3.

I'll probably get all 3, but I'll get APF before I get NCAA

jddcp
June 19th, 2007, 05:00 AM
Will you people quit with the "They didn't have time to put in a Franchise this year" bit!!!

Greg Thomas said they made a DECISION not to put it in because he didn't think it fit the theme of the game! It had nothing to do with time or possible effect on gameplay. Stop making excuses.

It was a bad DECISION.

tsp120
June 19th, 2007, 05:37 AM
Will you people quit with the "They didn't have time to put in a Franchise this year" bit!!!

Greg Thomas said they made a DECISION not to put it in because he didn't think it fit the theme of the game! It had nothing to do with time or possible effect on gameplay. Stop making excuses.

It was a bad DECISION.

actually that Chau guy who showed the game to the OS guys said they didn't have time to put in a decent franchise.

NealVickers
June 19th, 2007, 05:53 AM
why in the world would anyone be willing to pay $60 for a stripped down game, with very few features and no NFL license????
They will be lucky if anyone buys this game...
You have to wonder sometimes what they are smoking over at 2K....

APGood
June 19th, 2007, 06:03 AM
"and you guys are carrying on about 2K not giving you the kitchen sink on their first try. Get over it!"

But, it isn't their "first try." The preview on 1up said the game plays just like 2K5. APF is just a generic version of 2K5. Maybe the graphics are a little better, but there is nothing ground-breaking here. They have had plenty of time to include a franchise mode. They made football games for how many years before they lost the license (I remember 2K Football on the Dreamcast!).

They are screwing over the fans of their football series. They know it. They don't care. This game should have been what the fans were asking for: FULLY customizable, SUPERB graphics AND gameplay, and with a franchise mode included. They wasted time on the legends crap that could have been better spent working on game development.

TheHiss39
June 19th, 2007, 06:45 AM
Agreed................

xblitz44x
June 19th, 2007, 06:52 AM
The part that bothers me most is that this is another case of a "next-gen" game being built on a PS2/X-Box engine with features being SUBTRACTED instead of added in. What the hell did we spend $400 on a new, more powerful system for if developers continue to push out watered down versions of their current-gen games?

theshiznetno1
June 19th, 2007, 06:56 AM
actually that Chau guy who showed the game to the OS guys said they didn't have time to put in a decent franchise.

So who's word is more believable? The developer of the game or some PR guy?

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 08:13 AM
They are screwing over the fans of their football series. They know it. They don't care. This game should have been what the fans were asking for: FULLY customizable, SUPERB graphics AND gameplay, and with a franchise mode included. They wasted time on the legends crap that could have been better spent working on game development.
This is not going to be a POV around here. But I agree, certainly to a point. It's obvious they intended to create an ONLINE game. And in that regard, yes, I think they made a sort of 'Screw you' decision directed at anyone who was hoping for the fully customizable game you're talking about. And one of the Thomas boys even said it: 'Shut up and play." They knew what they were doing, and that what they were doing wouldn't be well-received.

Which then makes you wonder why they did it...?

ScottyP
June 19th, 2007, 08:20 AM
They must be convinced that there are plenty of online players who will gobble it up and the rest of us who have had to deal with Madden the last several years will just be so starved for a decent football game that we'll buy it also.

Madden looks better this year then in the past few. Still not sure it will be different enough, but EA certainly seems to be trying slightly harder this year.

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 08:29 AM
They must be convinced that there are plenty of online players who will gobble it up and the rest of us who have had to deal with Madden the last several years will just be so starved for a decent football game that we'll buy it also.

Madden looks better this year then in the past few. Still not sure it will be different enough, but EA certainly seems to be trying slightly harder this year.
I think you're right, but I think they overestimated how many people would be interested in online versus offline.

As for Madden/EA: EA is improving their soccer and hockey games, so who knows? Me, I don't find Madden's gameplay or presentation interesting, so I'm just not interested.

Dirymac73
June 19th, 2007, 08:49 AM
Well you can go ahead and leap before you look. I prefer to look BEFORE I leap.

Really, 2k is in no position to say...SHUT UP AND PLAY THE GAME...

Madden can say it because it has a huge fan base and people will buy it regardless. 2K is trying to GROW into a big fan base and comments like that or comments from "2k heads" that I'll buy the game no matter what, won't help.

That doesn't build fans it builds complacency.


What's your point, people buy Madden just because.

MaxPayne2K
June 19th, 2007, 08:56 AM
Where still with this ISSUE OMG WHO CARES ABOUT THE OFFLINE, online is the way to go all you guys who have issues don't have a life and just sit around and play offline, instead of going out and gettnig some AZZ

-MaxPayne2K

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 08:56 AM
What's your point, people buy Madden just because.
His point, which is a good one, is that 2K is in no position to tell gamers to shut up and play, because most gamers will just turn around and tell them to f off and get lost. EA on the other hand can abuse consumers year after year with a horrible football game, yet gamers will lap it up like dogs eating turds.

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 08:57 AM
Where still with this ISSUE OMG WHO CARES ABOUT THE OFFLINE, online is the way to go all you guys who have issues don't have a life and just sit around and play offline, instead of going out and gettnig some AZZ

-MaxPayne2K
OMG MaxPayne, you said it! OMG, who CARES what the majority of people think??

OMG, OMG!!!

Oh, and OMG!!!!

MaxPayne2K
June 19th, 2007, 08:59 AM
OMG MaxPayne, you said it! OMG, who CARES what the majority of people think??

OMG, OMG!!!

Oh, and OMG!!!!


Thanks Kid, i can't wait to get this game and pop online, because that is the what im going to do once it comes out on the 17th..

-MaxPayne2K

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 09:00 AM
OMG! What's the difference between people sitting around and playing OFFLINE, and people sitting around playing ONLINE??!!

OMG MaxPayne, did you ever think of that???

O. M. G. (Did I mention?)

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 09:02 AM
Thanks Kid, i can't wait to get this game and pop online, because that is the what im going to do once it comes out on the 17th..

-MaxPayne2K
And woe be unto them who attempteth to taketh you on, online. WOE! WOE!!!!

YOU. ARE. GOD.

ScottyP
June 19th, 2007, 09:02 AM
OMG! What's the difference between people sitting around and playing OFFLINE, and people sitting around playing ONLINE??!!

OMG MaxPayne, did you ever think of that???

O. M. G. (Did I mention?)


Took the words right out of my mouth. :D

I didn't realize that playing for an hour online was less time than playing for an hour offline. I am now enlightened and see the way of the online balllllerrrrzzzz.

Oh yes ..... OMG....

baandje
June 19th, 2007, 09:06 AM
I am now enlightened and see the way of the online balllllerrrrzzzz.
Online BIG balllllerrrrzzzz, apparently. HUGE. 'OMG they're hanging out!' huge, in fact.

IMDVS2
June 19th, 2007, 09:17 AM
OMG! What's the difference between people sitting around and playing OFFLINE, and people sitting around playing ONLINE??!!

OMG MaxPayne, did you ever think of that???

O. M. G. (Did I mention?)
Guess Max is gettin' virtual azz!!

O. M. G.!!!!! Unless he plays online and gets poosy at the same time!!! O. M. G.!!!

OMG?