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[xlRunandSh00tlx]

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[Temmpus]

Everyone is welcome to join my forum and we can discuss the topic further. Just hit the link in my sig and sign up. Thank you.

I wonder why they would delete that thread? Smells of censorship to me. Were they worried about not having fixed the glitches from2004? It's not like it's going to keep me from buying the new game.

Thanks for the invite R&S, but I'll pass. I've said my peace. Not looking to continue arguing about it. Much luck to you. Later.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Allright Temmpus and I hope you find out down the road how much more enjoyable it is to play sim ball. Good Luck.

[Hotsuma]

I dont understand why mods let this guy still post this crap... all he wants you to do is.. play his way.. so he can beat you.. give him the advantage.. and if you do beat the shiznit out of him.. he calls you cheese..

[baandje]

I dont understand why mods let this guy still post this crap... all he wants you to do is.. play his way.. so he can beat you.. give him the advantage.. and if you do beat the shiznit out of him.. he calls you cheese..
The troll is loose! Run for your lives!

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

I love the ignore feature:dance: :dance:

[Lacarious]

yeah.... go to R&P's site.... that's the ticket.... I can only imagine how chaotic\childish that forum is.

[thePLAGUE]

I dont understand why mods let this guy still post this crap... all he wants you to do is.. play his way.. so he can beat you.. give him the advantage.. and if you do beat the shiznit out of him.. he calls you cheese..


I agree with you my man...This dude even thinks manual blitzing is cheese...Man, is going to be a looooong summer for some off you cry.babies...Total sim games are boring us hell to watch and play anyway

[Hotsuma]

I agree with you my man...This dude even thinks manual blitzing is cheese...Man, is going to be a looooong summer for some off you cry.babies...Total sim games are boring us hell to watch and play anyway


I had no problem manually blitzing players online... The nfl2k5 DBs was not perfect so.. if you didnt cover yourself.. you was guaranteed to lose that game if you play against someone Decent..

I have no problem with someone who wants to play by a certain set of rules.. But trying to force his way onto other people is stupid...


No Dline glitch
No halftime glitch
no cornerlobs
no audbile glitch


thats all i ask when you play me.. you can do what ever else you want... Motion glitch go head... Run the QB go head.. but you best believe that wont work one me

[ScottyP]

I have an issue with a lot of your "sim" rules. Not that it matters because I rarely get the chance to play online, but maybe you could explain your hipocrisy here.....

15.This has been brought to my attention lately about having your DLine man cover a wide out or TE. Look if its in the game use it. it happens in real football. I dont know about WRs but TE for sure.

If it's in the game, use it...... But you don't allow people to use a D lineman, you don't allow people to manually blitz, you don't allow people to throw a corner lob, you don't allow people to scramble with the QB on a broken play, you don't allow people to run a hurry up offense, etc etc ....

Last I checked, those were all elements in the game.

Corner lob .... it doesn't always work, but it is a little goofy.

Scrambling QBs are annoying because of the missing spy .... BUT if you allow people to play D line or they are smart enough to use a linebacker this isn't really an issue. I know, I know ... then they use the d line glitch. You should just have a rule against that.

Hurry up offenses happen all the time in real games. I fail to see the issue there.

Manual blitzing .... so if the play calls for the linebacker to blitz and I blitz with the linebacker, that isn't allowed. Makes no sense.

Bottom line, don't say if it's in the game, use it and then proceed to make a list of what isn't allowed. Some of your rules are almost valid, but others are just plain messed up.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Manual Blitzing is cheese and SKILLESS. And coverage audibles of a DE is totally not even close to Dline Glitching or Manual Blitzing. I said if its in the game use it... Not manually using the dline.. You want to blitz call a blitz or use a hot blitz but do not manually blitz and thats the bottom line.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

I agree with you my man...This dude even thinks manual blitzing is cheese...Man, is going to be a looooong summer for some off you cry.babies...Total sim games are boring us hell to watch and play anyway

LOL so in other words your whole gameplan on D is once the ball is hiked you run as fast as you can to sack the QB LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rotfl: How old are you? 10:rotfl: Look a sim player reads and reacts tot he play manually using a skilled position i.e. Safety. Makes the read himself and makes the play himself. You on the other hand rely on the AI to make a play. Your mindset is If I give him enough pressure he will throw a bad pass and the AI will pick it off. :rotfl: :rotfl: Well you might fit in well in a Lacarious League because you are not in mine, kid.:rotfl:

[Temmpus]

LOL so in other words your whole gameplan on D is once the ball is hiked you run as fast as you can to sack the QB

I wasn't going to post again (hoping this thread would die too) but c'mon. Isn't that the whole idea of a D? To get to the QB before he's able to pass? Are you insane even asking this question?

[ScottyP]

The d-line glitch sucks, you'll get no arguement from me there. The corner lob can be maddening. I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from on some of your other thoughts.

Are you calling a manual blitz, blitzing someone who is supposed to be doing something else? Like I said, if I call a blitz or a hot blitz with a linebacker and then manually control that linebacker, you take issue with that? What about the same thing with a corner?

If I understand you correctly, you just want people to use secondary and sit in coverage somewhere and let the CPU control the pass rush and blitzes so that you have plenty of time to pass or rush.

What about the hurry up? What's so wrong with running a hurry up play. Running it EVERY play is stupid, but what's it matter if people run the hurry up now and then?

I'm just looking to understand the reasoning behind some of what you consider "cheese". Like I said, I rarely play online so it really makes no difference to me what people do to each other there.

[jddcp]

So let me get this right R&S.....if I drop back to pass and have pressure and noone open, I'm supposed to just take the sack? How is that real football, especially if my QB has God (or programmer) given scramblin' skills??

Also, are you saying it is ok to manually blitz if the guy you are blitzing with is on a called blitz but not if he is in zone or man? This also doesn't always make sense...EXAMPLE: I'm using the MLB in Man Coverage. My guy is the Fullback. On a pass play the fullback stays back to block. Are you telling me, I can't blitz the MLB since the guy I'm covering is blocking instead of going out for a pass??? If so, please explain how that is in any way, shape or form real football. That's called reading an offense.

Also, since you said only use the Safety, what if the Safety is in a designed blitz, can you manually blitz then?? What if the safety's guy is the TE in Man Coverage, if he sits to block and you have someone in short zone, the safety can't come up? You clearly have never played real football.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

I wasn't going to post again (hoping this thread would die too) but c'mon. Isn't that the whole idea of a D? To get to the QB before he's able to pass? Are you insane even asking this question?
You are clueless about sim ball.

Look later today I wll post a few clips of Dline Glitching on my you tube channel. And my plan is to have an example of everyone of the SIM rules broken for all to have an Idea of what Im talking about. Stay tuned.

[baandje]

Okay, I'll settle this:

No using the DE because that's broken in 2K5, but you can manual blitz with other position players. QB running is allowed on obvious broken plays, along with the occasional QB draw. Hurry-up O is allowed in the usual situations - end of the half, etc.

Common sense people, common sense.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

So let me get this right R&S.....if I drop back to pass and have pressure and noone open, I'm supposed to just take the sack? How is that real football, especially if my QB has God (or programmer) given scramblin' skills??

Also, are you saying it is ok to manually blitz if the guy you are blitzing with is on a called blitz but not if he is in zone or man? This also doesn't always make sense...EXAMPLE: I'm using the MLB in Man Coverage. My guy is the Fullback. On a pass play the fullback stays back to block. Are you telling me, I can't blitz the MLB since the guy I'm covering is blocking instead of going out for a pass??? If so, please explain how that is in any way, shape or form real football. That's called reading an offense.

Thow the ball away. your second question if you are manually using the MLB and your guy is doing a blocking scheme why not read the play and make the pick yourself? You dont manually blitz at no time in the game. A Hot blitz can be called at anytime but the blitzer cannot be used manually. READ AND REACT TO THE PLAY AND MAKE THE PLAY YOURSELF.

[thePLAGUE]

This guy just dosent get it....Its a videogame...You have to control all the 11 players on the field at some point...There is no DLINE glitch to me...It really boggles my mind that people are that stu.pid....What is soo scary about those DE's?...There are soo many ways to beat that play is not even worth my time anymore...And there is no corner lob glitch. Am sure 2k intentionally programmed that into the game so that the computer dosent do everything for you...The play works only if the defence is in a zone...It rarely ever worked against me because I always had a saftey on top to help the DB...

And to answer runANDshoot, I do blitz my two LBS sometimes and if it works rest assured I might use it the entire game...You play to win...The burden is on my opponent to stop it as long as it is legit...that is how you get better...You find new ways around whatever your opponents gives you that way in the long run you accumulate a lot of different strategies...It called EVOLVING...I enjoyed played Eagles abusers because they forced me to think and improve my dexterity with the controllers...And I never lost a game because my opponent was DL "glitching" or Lobbing or even scrambling...Learn to play the game like a man...Obvioulsy you werent around on 2k3...It would have made you a man...lol

[ScottyP]

Except hurry up is used in OTHER situations besides that. The Colts come to mind. A hurry up is a way to get the other team off balance, look for mismatches and catch them with the wrong personnel on the field.

Nobody is arguing that the d-line glitch sucks and is broken (hopefully to be fixed in 2K8).

According to R&S, he doesn't want you to manual blitz with anyone. That doesn't make any sense. If I think I can get to the QB, I'm going to try and sack him. That is part of football.

All this talk about letting the AI make the play is skilless and playing a skill position. No matter which position you play, the AI is still controlling your 10 other players and there is NO WAY that you are going to make every play if you are playing as a secondary player. That means that the AI is making a lot of plays for you. Possibly sacks, possibly ints, possibly tackles. I use players at ALL the positions throughout the game. I get sacks, I get ints, I recover fumbles, I make tackles. Why place restrictions on it.

Just say
No d-line glitch
No corner lob
Have fun

[baandje]

There is no DLINE glitch to me
The Dline glitch is well-documented. Just because you believe you're that good, doesn't mean the game doesn't have obvious and well-known programming issues.

[Hotsuma]

Thow the ball away.


yes throw away the ball guys... so you can waste a Down and help him win the game!!!!!!:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Blue58]

A game isn't very "sim" or "realistic" if it allows you to easily run in untouched and sack the QB every play. When you have to eliminate playing 7 out of 11 defensive positions to not be considered cheese.. thats pretty lame.

I hope 2k has addressed the problem.

[baandje]

Except hurry up is used in OTHER situations besides that. The Colts come to mind. A hurry up is a way to get the other team off balance, look for mismatches and catch them with the wrong personnel on the field.
I agree. But at some point a league has to determine whether that's being exploited or not. Someone who runs Hurry-up all game is obviously exploiting it. IMO, best to say last 5 minutes of every half or something, and leave it at that.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOoAy9nR0cU

here is an example of a dline glitch. This guy was total cheese....he is now on the NO SIM LIST!!!! I think you should go ahead at look at my videos... If you want to see how to read and react to the play look at my video against Writer21(Quickwitdahands) I won the game because of a key read just under the 2min warning.

[precise3]

LOL so in other words your whole gameplan on D is once the ball is hiked you run as fast as you can to sack the QB LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rotfl: How old are you? 10:rotfl: Look a sim player reads and reacts tot he play manually using a skilled position i.e. Safety. Makes the read himself and makes the play himself. You on the other hand rely on the AI to make a play. Your mindset is If I give him enough pressure he will throw a bad pass and the AI will pick it off. :rotfl: :rotfl: Well you might fit in well in a Lacarious League because you are not in mine, kid.:rotfl:


This whole convorsation is going loop-D-loop. I don't think you can speak to anyone in the NFL and they will tell you that there position is not SKILLED. Blitzing is a part of the game. Sacks are a part of the game. I love Sim ball but I agree that some of your rules I've seen are rediculous. What is the role of the inside or outside linebacker? You answered that in your first staement. Of course the role can switch to guard the middle for pass. Do you watch football on Sundays? If I am a defensive minded coach, I need to hurry the quarterback and make him make mistakes. I suck on Defense though, or maybe it is my squad I choose with a 69 D rating.

I have played glitchers, cheesers, sim ballers, and from what I see, when I react to their mischief, they quit or drop. Bottom line is the better man will win. Unless of course he just doesn't show up. I have loss to people I know I was better than but I took situations for granted and something goofy happened. In the words from the now famous quote,

"Shut up and play the game."

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOoAy9nR0cU

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

A game isn't very "sim" or "realistic" if it allows you to easily run in untouched and sack the QB every play. When you have to eliminate playing 7 out of 11 defensive positions to not be considered cheese.. thats pretty lame.

I hope 2k has addressed the problem.

It can be realistic if you follow my "EPITOME OF SIM RULES"

[MaxPayne2K]

Everyone is welcome to join my forum and we can discuss the topic further. Just hit the link in my sig and sign up. Thank you.


Well, we know who is sim and is not on here lol :), anyway RUN&SHOOT i like that avater homie...the good ol dayz when the Oilers were great man..Warren Moon was too good..

-MaxPayne2K

[ScottyP]

I don't need to see videos. I know what a d-line glitch is. I know how to use a corner and pick a ball off. You have still failed to answer why some of these things are so "cheese". Abusing obvious flaws like a d-line glitch make sense. Scrambling a QB, manually blitzing (while not using a d-line glitch) and running a hurry up offense (keep in mind that offensive players get tired too) can't be cheese.

As was mentioned earlier, reading and reacting is blitzing with a MLB because the FB he was covering stayed in to block. Reading and reacting is switching to a dline or linebacker to track down a scrambling QB instead of sitting in coverage waiting for a pick. Making a big play at the end of the game to seal the deal could be sacking the QB on fourth and a couple because they had to go for it.

Your rules are YOUR rules and if you want to run a league, people will need to abide by them, but trying to say your rules are the only way to play SIM ball is just plain wrong.

[jddcp]

Thow the ball away. your second question if you are manually using the MLB and your guy is doing a blocking scheme why not read the play and make the pick yourself? You dont manually blitz at no time in the game. A Hot blitz can be called at anytime but the blitzer cannot be used manually. READ AND REACT TO THE PLAY AND MAKE THE PLAY YOURSELF.


???????????? HUH?? If I am using the MLB who is in Man Coverage and my man is the Fullback, then reading and reacting would require me to determine if he is in fact going out for a pass or if he is staying in to block!!!!! If he stays in to block then YES I would go to the QB!! That is how you play real football.

[kahjah]

Oh wow my plea to have that thread closed worked. Im so happy. Thank you 2k

[MaxPayne2K]

Slim is Slim, you guys that say your sim you will have to prove what you got once the game comes out.

-Maxpayne2K

[Phenomenal J123]

Ah man here we go again...kind of missed all of this though.

Run and Shoot lets play sometime when the game comes out. I remember us playing some games in 2k5 and you were SIM. Oh yea my GT by the way is Phenomenal J123.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Ah man here we go again...kind of missed all of this though.

Run and Shoot lets play sometime when the game comes out. I remember us playing some games in 2k5 and you were SIM. Oh yea my GT by the way is Phenomenal J123.

I remember bro. Yeah Send me friends request. Cant wait to see all the OSPs coming out of the wood work for 2K8 :)

[jddcp]

Ok, I've got it now. I can't use the Dline cause of the glitch, makes sense. Can't use LBs because R&S says so. I can only use the FS and SS and Corners....that is unless one of them is on a designed blitz, then I can't use that guy...umm how about we just SIMulate the games instead of playing them, cause this is what this sounds like.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

you can use the LBs no problem just dont manual blitz...Its that simple.

[jddcp]

you can use the LBs no problem just dont manual blitz...Its that simple.

Can I blitz if it is a designed blitz? Or do I have to pick a different defender and if so, why does that rule exist? Am I not allowed to pick blitzing plays? Am I restricted to playing zone?

Also, this doesn't address reading the offense. Yes, you can hot read to a blitz, but you can't do that AFTER the ball is snapped.

A defensive player won't know if the man he is guarding is blocking or running a route until AFTER the ball is snapped. In real football, a MLB is not going to just watch a blocking FB just because that is his assigned man. He will notice that the FB is blocking and will attack the QB. Please explain why we shouldn't play the game like a real MLB would play it?

The Mods are shutting these kinds of threads because people like you harm this game's rep. If you can't read offenses with your MLB and blitz where appropriate because the OL can't block and you can't use your QB when no one is open to avoid a sack because the defense doesn't react, and you can't run No Huddle because fatigue doesn't work properly and you can't run certain pass plays because the DBs can't cover and you can't use the Dline because of glitches, and you can't motion your receivers or TE as extra blockers because of bad AI....How is this game so SIM if you can't play it like real football. This style of play sounds nothing like real football, maybe flag football or something but not any football that I've seen or played in my life.

[Darkheath]

Can I blitz if it is a designed blitz? Or do I have to pick a different defender and if so, why does that rule exist? Am I not allowed to pick blitzing plays? Am I restricted to playing zone?

Also, this doesn't address reading the offense. Yes, you can hot read to a blitz, but you can't do that AFTER the ball is snapped.

A defensive player won't know if the man he is guarding is blocking or running a route until AFTER the ball is snapped. In real football, a MLB is not going to just watch a blocking FB just because that is his assigned man. He will notice that the FB is blocking and will attack the QB. Please explain why we shouldn't play the game like a real MLB would play it?

The Mods are shutting these kinds of threads because people like you harm this game's rep. If you can't read offenses with your MLB and blitz where appropriate because the OL can't block and you can't use your QB when no one is open to avoid a sack because the defense doesn't react, and you can't run No Huddle because fatigue doesn't work properly and you can't run certain pass plays because the DBs can't cover and you can't use the Dline because of glitches, and you can't motion your receivers or TE as extra blockers because of bad AI....How is this game so SIM if you can't play it like real football. This style of play sounds nothing like real football, maybe flag football or something but not any football that I've seen or played in my life.

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I've read enough from R&S to know what it says. jddcp... I feel the same way as you do. Maybe I'll hit you up once the game comes out.

[Temmpus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOoAy9nR0cU

here is an example of a dline glitch. This guy was total cheese....he is now on the NO SIM LIST!!!! I think you should go ahead at look at my videos... If you want to see how to read and react to the play look at my video against Writer21(Quickwitdahands) I won the game because of a key read just under the 2min warning.

I can easily defend against that. I'm surprised you haven't figured out how yet.

[Phenomenal J123]

I can easily defend against that. I'm surprised you haven't figured out how yet.

I have a very hard time believing that. If a guy is very good at D-line glitching, there is nothing the other player can do.

[Hotsuma]

I have a very hard time believing that. If a guy is very good at D-line glitching, there is nothing the other player can do.


Weak Dives

Ipro formations and Single backs.. Easily stops the Dline glitch

[Temmpus]

I have a very hard time believing that. If a guy is very good at D-line glitching, there is nothing the other player can do.

I didn't know that was what you call "the D-Line glitch" until I saw the video. A couple of guys in our online league would do that all the time. I burned them constantly. It can be done.

[Phenomenal J123]

Trust me with my time of playing this game online, if a guy has mastered how to D-line glitch, its pretty much impossible to stop. No formation can stop the D-line glitch. With the timing of the turbo and hike, the DE can get right past the O-line and straight to the QB.

I would say the only way to counter it is to basically take full control of your QB and rush him out to the sidelines to give him more time to throw to his WR's.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

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[Temmpus]

I would say the only way to counter it is to basically take full control of your QB and rush him out to the sidelines to give him more time to throw to his WR's.

Okay, that's one way to do it. Granted, players with inferior skills would have a hard time doing that, but it can be done.

[Hotsuma]

Trust me with my time of playing this game online, if a guy has mastered how to D-line glitch, its pretty much impossible to stop. No formation can stop the D-line glitch. With the timing of the turbo and hike, the DE can get right past the O-line and straight to the QB.

I would say the only way to counter it is to basically take full control of your QB and rush him out to the sidelines to give him more time to throw to his WR's.


thats your problem right there.. Run the ball.. You have Stephen Davis foster Goings.. Use them :)

[Phenomenal J123]

Okay, that's one way to do it. Granted, players with inferior skills would have a hard time doing that, but it can be done.

Yea ok...but granted playing like that is NOT sim. That's what this entire debate is about.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Okay, that's one way to do it. Granted, players with inferior skills would have a hard time doing that, but it can be done.

Anything can be done BUT WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEAL WITH THAT ALL GAME???? it is straight garbage!!!! SIM players do not play like that. Temmpus bottom line is you are a different type of gamer A NO SIM GAMER. Thats fine, its just that us sim players dont want to put up with that garbage.

[jddcp]

Trust me with my time of playing this game online, if a guy has mastered how to D-line glitch, its pretty much impossible to stop. No formation can stop the D-line glitch. With the timing of the turbo and hike, the DE can get right past the O-line and straight to the QB.

I would say the only way to counter it is to basically take full control of your QB and rush him out to the sidelines to give him more time to throw to his WR's.

Wait, so am I only allowed to take "partial" control of my QB? Of course if there is pressure up the middle a QB would roll away from the pressure! Really what sport are you people playing?

[Temmpus]

Yea ok...but granted playing like that is NOT sim. That's what this entire debate is about.

I don't know, I've seen Donovan McNabb scramble out of the pocket, make his way to the sidelines and throw a TD. I guess that's not sim either.

[Temmpus]

Wait, so am I only allowed to take "partial" control of my QB? Of course if there is pressure up the middle a QB would roll away from the pressure! Really what sport are you people playing?

Yeah, i don't get it either. It sure ain't football. Just have your QB roll away from the blitz.

[Phenomenal J123]

I don't know, I've seen Donovan McNabb scramble out of the pocket, make his way to the sidelines and throw a TD. I guess that's not sim either.

Ok but he doesn't do it the entire game. And in 2k5 almost every QB can be turned in to McNabb.

[Temmpus]

Anything can be done BUT WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEAL WITH THAT ALL GAME???? it is straight garbage!!!! SIM players do not play like that. Temmpus bottom line is you are a different type of gamer A NO SIM GAMER. Thats fine, its just that us sim players dont want to put up with that garbage.

The bottom line is you don't have the "skills to pay the bills". I can see how you would be upset getting sacked over and over again because you don't know how to adjust to the D. It's cool. Just play with your rules. I'm sure there are other inferior players who will gladly welcome your "rules".

[Temmpus]

Ok but he doesn't do it the entire game. And in 2k5 almost every QB can be turned in to McNabb.

He would do it if the defense didn't make the adjustments.

See, that's what football is all about. Making adjustments. Look, it sounds to me like you just want to call the plays and then sit back and let the AI taker over. And that's fine if you want to play that way. Nothing wrong with that. And if that's what you want to call SIM, then yeah, I can see that too. However, since this is a video game, I choose to be a little more active and have more control over what my team does.

[sonnyjames]

It can be realistic if you follow my "EPITOME OF SIM RULES"

key word being "my" as in "you're" epitome of sim rules.:rolleyes:

pathetic,really.:thumbsdow

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

You guys just dont get it. Watch my videos and maybe you will learn something. There is a right way and wrong way to play this game. I choose the to play SIMULATION FOOTBALL and you guys dont. Simulation Football for THIS VIDEO GAME.

[Hotsuma]

key word being "my" as in "you're" epitome of sim rules.:rolleyes:

pathetic,really.:thumbsdow


ive been saying that for 3 years........:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
'


what game is that in your avatar.. ive seen it somewhere..

[Phenomenal J123]

He would do it if the defense didn't make the adjustments.

See, that's what football is all about. Making adjustments. Look, it sounds to me like you just want to call the plays and then sit back and let the AI taker over. And that's fine if you want to play that way. Nothing wrong with that. And if that's what you want to call SIM, then yeah, I can see that too. However, since this is a video game, I choose to be a little more active and have more control over what my team does.

Man you have no idea of what SIM football is. Anyone that I have played against online or in leagues know that I am SIM. Temmpus you may be SIM but if you D-Line glitch, well then bottom line your not.

I take full control of my players, but I also play the game the way real football is played.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

key word being "my" as in "you're" epitome of sim rules.:rolleyes:

pathetic,really.:thumbsdow

These rules were not all made by me. These have been used by SIM players since the beginning of 2K football. True I added a few to adjust to the current exploits in 2K5. You either play right or play wrong. If you follow my rules or should I say SIM rules you will have a football experience like that on Sunday, or atleast as close as you can get in THIS GAME.

[Phenomenal J123]

Run and Shoot its pretty much pointless to convice others of what SIM football is. Alot of the guys that played SIM football are no longer posting on here or playing 2k5. Maybe when the new game comes out, alot of older better players will come back.

SIM is not about making up your own rules, its about playing the game the way it is suppose to be played!

[Hotsuma]

Run and Shoot its pretty much pointless to convice others of what SIM football is. Alot of the guys that played SIM football are no longer posting on here or playing 2k5. Maybe when the new game comes out, alot of older better players will come back.

SIM is not about making up your own rules, its about playing the game the way it is suppose to be played!


ya but when your told you cant Move your guys manually on D(I cant move troy vincent who i want to double cover Mason who is on the rightside of the field and Troy is on the left side.. I cant move him.. over there..)Thats when it gets out of hand..

[Lacarious]

ya but when your told you cant Move your guys manually on D(I cant move troy vincent who i want to double cover Mason who is on the rightside of the field and Troy is on the left side.. I cant move him.. over there..)Thats when it gets out of hand..

That's when it becomes comical... if you want to double a dude on the right side of the field.. .use the safety that is on that side. Or check the playbook that calls for a double on that side of the field. When you start moving dudes here there and everywhere.... it becomes down right hysterical.

[Phenomenal J123]

ya but when your told you cant Move your guys manually on D(I cant move troy vincent who i want to double cover Mason who is on the rightside of the field and Troy is on the left side.. I cant move him.. over there..)Thats when it gets out of hand..

Well I never had a problem with a guy moving a player manually. They just then also had to control that guy manually when the play happend.

[Darkheath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOoAy9nR0cU

here is an example of a dline glitch. This guy was total cheese....he is now on the NO SIM LIST!!!! I think you should go ahead at look at my videos... If you want to see how to read and react to the play look at my video against Writer21(Quickwitdahands) I won the game because of a key read just under the 2min warning.


OK... I've been looking at this play very closely for a while and I still don't see what is "glitchy" about this.

Yes... the DE comes in untouched... but why? Because the play call was a screen pass to the right side. The RT pulls to follow the RB over... just like he is supposed to do. The RG gets a little confused as to who to block because the DT is actually doing a stunt to his left with the C following, but that is exactly what stunts are designed to do... confuse the OLine. (This also looks like the Cardinals so the RG's "awareness" or "consistency" may be low, their OLine sucks.) You can then see the RG relise that his QB is in trouble so he turns and pursues the DE.

This does not seem like a glitch so much as it's a result of the two plays that were called. The DT stunt and the OLine pulling for a screen pass.

I'm a DLine player and I can tell you I don't get a lot of cheap sacks. Again.. I think if people know more about what goes on on a real football field they'll understand a lot more of these things.

[Hotsuma]

That's when it becomes comical... if you want to double a dude on the right side of the field.. .use the safety that is on that side. Or check the playbook that calls for a double on that side of the field. When you start moving dudes here there and everywhere.... it becomes down right hysterical.


Milloy plays SS. .Right side.. Troy is FS.. Left side.. Ok.. lets say i do switch it.. Then troy is on right.. milloy on left.. Ok.. Then he switches WRs sides.. Now Mason is on the left while troy is on the right... now what? I use milloy and Vincent who played Cb.. is my 2nd CB..(Clements and Vincent..

its all about playing to your defense strengths.. im sorry i dont sit in two man like some people.. My defense is to complex for some of you people..:thumbsup:

[jddcp]

Man you have no idea of what SIM football is. Anyone that I have played against online or in leagues know that I am SIM. Temmpus you may be SIM but if you D-Line glitch, well then bottom line your not.

I take full control of my players, but I also play the game the way real football is played.

If you play the way real football is played then you wouldn't disagree with anything most of us are saying. These rules have nothing to do with REAL football. Obviously 2K5 doesn't play like real football since you have to make up all of these unfootball like rules to play "sim".

Hopefully, 2K8 will, but you same people need to stop glorifying 2K if it has so many problems

[Darkheath]

One thing i don't understand in this video though is why in the world they would put DT Brown back as a safety. What possible good would that do for the defense?

[kcxiv]

As long as people are not purposely trying to cheat, i am fine with how people wanna play. If they wanna rush a linebacker i am fine with it. If they wanna use the DE i am fine with it as long as they dont pull to the left or right by 5 yards.

I also know i dont wanna play by 1 persons rules that makes the game not fun either. I have always played a fair game of football. You can ask anyone that has played me when i played 2k5 not 1 person will have anything bad to say about my playstyle. I even had that ****ty *** Chiefs Defense, my god are they horrible in 2k5.

[Hotsuma]

One thing i don't understand in this video though is why in the world they would put DT Brown back as a safety. What possible good would that do for the defense?


He does it so you cant scramble when he does the dline glitch.. Which is actually smart.. glitch to do the Dline glitch.. But smart to stop the scramble.. Thats how i stop the scramble..


I take spikes back atleast 10 yards.. or 5 depending on how many yards they need for a first down.. And I Delay Blitz spike(Black Button).. This Shuts down the scrambling completely.. This works just like a QB Spy

[Lacarious]

Milloy plays SS. .Right side.. Troy is FS.. Left side.. Ok.. lets say i do switch it.. Then troy is on right.. milloy on left.. Ok.. Then he switches WRs sides.. Now Mason is on the left while troy is on the right... now what? I use milloy and Vincent who played Cb.. is my 2nd CB..(Clements and Vincent..

its all about playing to your defense strengths.. im sorry i dont sit in two man like some people.. My defense is to complex for some of you people..:thumbsup:

i take it it's too complex for NFL coaches too... all the time I'm seeing Safeties follow WR's from sideline too sideline... they never stay on one side of the field... always following one WR all game long. Kind of like a safety always following a RB.

BTW - the thought process of a 12 year old kid are no where near complex.

This might be a guess but it sounds like you want the computer to play your D for you.

[Hotsuma]

i take it it's too complex for NFL coaches too... all the time I'm seeing Safeties follow WR's from sideline too sideline... they never stay on one side of the field... always following one WR all game long. Kind of like a safety always following a RB.

BTW - the thought process of a 12 year old kid are no where near complex.

This might be a guess but it sounds like you want the computer to play your D for you.


I want the Cpu to play for me? Because I double Mason with troy vincent? its actually a smart D.. Because I can easily shut down the Right side of the field with milloy.. actually i just misspoken. .I dont even have double cover.... But i give the illusion that i do..

[Lacarious]

like dude said.... "SIM" ballin is playing like an NFL team would play. running your team such as that... calling plays such as that (e.g. not running the same play over and over.. not blitzing the same baller over and over [although easy to beat])

when dudes start getting into the video part of it that's when it becomes "UNSIM". Running with the QB 24/7 is considered UNSIM however... i enjoy playing those dudes because it's easy to send their QB to the hospital. The dudes that sneak that ish out in the 4th Q of a close game should be considered more UNSIM then any baller that does it 24/7... those dudes are more asinine for doing such a move and ruining a quality game.

But in the end... it's just that.. a game... so if some dude wants to cheeseball his way to victory... so be it however, that baller should never consider himself better than his opponent.

[Darkheath]

OK... I just realised there were two plays in that video... and he was playing with old-school Patriots unis. (Breaking rule number one of his own SIM list about always playing as the Titans, but whatever...)

This one is harder to explain. The RT MAY have seen a blitzing CB off-screen or something, but I'm not sure why the RG went to help the C in this instance.

I've spent a lot of time in this game and I really haven't seen many "easy" sacks.

When you people talk about this DLine glitch... is it something the game player actually has to DO?

It looks, ever so slightly, that the DE moved to his right (maybe pulling the RG in that direction) then moved to the left and through the hole. Is that it? I know I always hit an OLiner and have to try to "swim" or spin past the guy to get to the backfield.

[Lacarious]

I want the Cpu to play for me? Because I double Mason with troy vincent? its actually a smart D.. Because I can easily shut down the Right side of the field with milloy.. actually i just misspoken. .I dont even have double cover.... But i give the illusion that i do..

dudes that double WR's all day.... can't play D... they want the comp to do it for them... if you want to shut down mason.. play as teh safety on his side... but I'm guessing that you double both WR's so you can kick it with a LB doing nothing or maybe you double both WR's with one safety and one LB then kick it with a DL. either way... doubling WR's all game long is weak and no where near "complicated" more so lazy.

[Hotsuma]

dudes that double WR's all day.... can't play D... they want the comp to do it for them... if you want to shut down mason.. play as teh safety on his side... but I'm guessing that you double both WR's so you can kick it with a LB doing nothing or maybe you double both WR's with one safety and one LB then kick it with a DL. either way... doubling WR's all game long is weak and no where near "complicated" more so lazy.


this is proof you never played me..

I dont double.... If the WR ran across the middle.. Only Vincent would follow him.. Clements would not.. So thats not doubling.. Doubling Does no work in this game because the CBs always bump into each other.. causing the WRs to get free


I dont play LB because I put Spikes on the TE

I have Fletcher play Zone

and Posey Blitz


Only 2 players are in Man.. everyone else is in zone..

Zone works best in this game.. Because the DBs are so flawed Man is terrible gameplan to use

[Darkheath]

He does it so you cant scramble when he does the dline glitch.. Which is actually smart.. glitch to do the Dline glitch.. But smart to stop the scramble.. Thats how i stop the scramble..


I take spikes back atleast 10 yards.. or 5 depending on how many yards they need for a first down.. And I Delay Blitz spike(Black Button).. This Shuts down the scrambling completely.. This works just like a QB Spy

How does this shut down a scrambler? If the QB gets out, a DT should never catch him. Wouldn't you want a fast safety to save the TD?

[Hotsuma]

How does this shut down a scrambler? If the QB gets out, a DT should never catch him. Wouldn't you want a fast safety to save the TD?


Alex Brown is the DE.. He has decent speed in this game.. faster than what he is rated.. But if you have Takeo Spikes Doing it.. Scrambling is shutdown

[Lacarious]

this is proof you never played me..

I dont double.... If the WR ran across the middle.. Only Vincent would follow him.. Clements would not.. So thats not doubling.. Doubling Does no work in this game because the CBs always bump into each other.. causing the WRs to get free


I dont play LB because I put Spikes on the TE

I have Fletcher play Zone

and Posey Blitz


Only 2 players are in Man.. everyone else is in zone..

Zone works best in this game.. Because the DBs are so flawed Man is terrible gameplan to use

i know I never played you... you were always booted before the 1st week was done.

this is why I was hoping that fully customizable playbooks actually meant that. You wouldn't have to move your dudes all over the field to play a certain D. one day... maybe one day we will have full control legit style.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

OK... I just realised there were two plays in that video... and he was playing with old-school Patriots unis. (Breaking rule number one of his own SIM list about always playing as the Titans, but whatever...)

This one is harder to explain. The RT MAY have seen a blitzing CB off-screen or something, but I'm not sure why the RG went to help the C in this instance.

I've spent a lot of time in this game and I really haven't seen many "easy" sacks.

When you people talk about this DLine glitch... is it something the game player actually has to DO?

It looks, ever so slightly, that the DE moved to his right (maybe pulling the RG in that direction) then moved to the left and through the hole. Is that it? I know I always hit an OLiner and have to try to "swim" or spin past the guy to get to the backfield.


DarkHeath did you read my the comments for that video? He would manually move his DE all the way to the sideline or all the way near the FS and comein free with the DT!! He is straight garbage. That isnt the only way to DLine Glitch.. Just be a DLineman and hit turbo and you will go through the olineman like he was a ghost. Playing DLineman is Skilless and Cheese and thats the bottom line.

[Hotsuma]

i know I never played you... you were always booted before the 1st week was done.

this is why I was hoping that fully customizable playbooks actually meant that. You wouldn't have to move your dudes all over the field to play a certain D. one day... maybe one day we will have full control legit style.


My Defense Could never be in a playbook.. as it changes.. It would have to be a very huge huge huge playbook.. atleast 50 players worth.. and thats just 4-3.. then nickel dime bear 3-2 3-3 5-2 dime odd.. Its never the same..

[Lacarious]

My Defense Could never be in a playbook.. as it changes.. It would have to be a very huge huge huge playbook.. atleast 50 players worth.. and thats just 4-3.. then nickel dime bear 3-2 3-3 5-2 dime odd.. Its never the same..

with a 20 GB harddrive... i'm sure it could store a million + plays. This is also why I wish there are halftime adjustments for a playbook... if you're playing some scrub that runs the same damn play but your D for some reason is never in the right position... then you adjust your playbook too put your guys in the right position.

[Lacarious]

I played as a DL... just to prove a point in one league that had no DL rule.... i played the DL 3 total times.... sacked the QB twice out of the 3. Point was well made after that.

I hope they make playing the DL more like a real DL... make it tough for 4 seconds too get in.... then he will eventually break through... but dudes can break through in right at the snap in 2K5. I know a dude that could break off the line on FG's and block the kick every time so I can only imagine what it would be like if he used a DL.

[Darkheath]

DarkHeath did you read my the comments for that video? He would manually move his DE all the way to the sideline or all the way near the FS and comein free with the DT!! He is straight garbage. That isnt the only way to DLine Glitch.. Just be a DLineman and hit turbo and you will go through the olineman like he was a ghost. Playing DLineman is Skilless and Cheese and thats the bottom line.

I don't have turbo controller so I can't try that.

I play DL because I get more SIM results by letting the AI play DB.

[Hotsuma]

with a 20 GB harddrive... i'm sure it could store a million + plays. This is also why I wish there are halftime adjustments for a playbook... if you're playing some scrub that runs the same damn play but your D for some reason is never in the right position... then you adjust your playbook too put your guys in the right position.


maybe.. But an avg person could not run my defense IE(You, Runandshoot, peetwo) You guys rely on the CPU alot.. plus you guys like to sit in Two man most of the time

[Lacarious]

maybe.. But an avg person could not run my defense IE(You, Runandshoot, peetwo) You guys rely on the CPU alot.. plus you guys like to sit in Two man most of the time

the day a kid out thinks me in a football game... is the day Jesus comes back.

[Hotsuma]

the day a kid out thinks me in a football game... is the day Jesus comes back.



trust me.. I out think and out play everyone in this game... I know your type.. You sit in 2man.. Ive been told you sit in two man..

You know what i do to two man? I run Strong Isos.. you WILL NOT stop me when you sit in two man.. or WR Reverses.. Ask get crazy.. rarely he picks two man.. But when he does i run a WR reverse..(I keep it as a quick audible if someone decides to make that mistake in picking two man

You pick Cover 3.. outside routes..

You pick 2 hard Corner Routes

You start blitzing I throw to my HB..

i can beat any defense in this game..

[Lacarious]

trust me.. I out think and out play everyone in this game... I know your type.. You sit in 2man.. Ive been told you sit in two man..

You know what i do to two man? I run Strong Isos.. you WILL NOT stop me when you sit in two man.. or WR Reverses.. Ask get crazy.. rarely he picks two man.. But when he does i run a WR reverse..(I keep it as a quick audible if someone decides to make that mistake in picking two man

You pick Cover 3.. outside routes..

You pick 2 hard Corner Routes

You start blitzing I throw to my HB..

i can beat any defense in this game..

keep telling yourself that and you'll be OK one day.

I know your type too... always looking for holes in a game too hide your many weaknesses.

[Codenamemighty]

Hello There My fellow gamers. I was just admiring the post and just thinking how a thread could last so long without a point. Truthfully there is not really a D-Line Glitch. If someone continues to run in that way then all you have to do is select a run play especially the I-formation and the glitch will be gone. I for once has a pass play thay has two RBs in a split formation so whatever side this D-Line glitch comes I tossed it to the RBs. Watch how quickly he stops that glitched when My RB runs for about 30 yards or more. But truthfully in Football a person can blitz whoever they choose manually or not. The QB can run if he wants or if there is no one open. The offense job is to get first downs and touchdowns. The defense cannot tell the offense not to let your QB run because he is faster than our Linebackers? The Offense cant tell the Defense not to blitz manually because he might sack my QB? The rules of the game on offense is to score. The rules on defense is to get the ball back. If the defense wants to line is DE as a MLB then so be it. He has not violated in rules or penalties. As long as the defense does not cross the line of scrimmage before the snap then the play is legit. How do you think we got new defenses by trying new formations and what works for your team. As far as a Sim games goes sim is what you make it. Some people is a little leaner than others but basically it is legal. The corner lob is not a glitch. all you have to do is select man coverage and have the safeties Double team each outside receiver. The game is about three years old so no need to complain now. If there is the same glitches in APF2k8 there is still no need to complain because you should be use to it by now...SO SHUT UP and PLAY THE GAME......Let the spirit of Football grow and the journey to excitement last Forever...

[Hotsuma]

keep telling yourself that and you'll be OK one day.

I know your type too... always looking for holes in a game too hide your many weaknesses.



my only weakness is that i tend to run the ball more than i should... other than that.. im good..:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

You are a cry baby.. Just like run and shoot.. You cant do this you cant do that.. I bet your one of those people who says the right thumbstick is cheese.. but cause you dont know how to tackle a running back properly.. I bet you just go diving at the running back.. or just running into him.. its alright....


I have respect from the important players.. Thats all i need.. I dont need respect from cry babies :)

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Lmao I cant read Shinobis posts but thanks to Lackey with all his quoting I can. This Kid shinobi uses a gimmick Defense he takes players in zone and manually moves them around the field to screw the oline AI and the WR routes. You see just like on the DLineGlitcher the olineman will run up the field to block the guy who shinobi manually moved out of the proper position in the D he called. Its straight garbage.

[Hotsuma]

Lmao I cant read Shinobis posts but thanks to Lackey with all his quoting I can. This Kid shinobi uses a gimmick Defense he takes players in zone and manually moves them around the field to screw the oline AI and the WR routes. You see just like on the DLineGlitcher the olineman will run up the field to block the guy who shinobi manually moved out of the proper position in the D he called. Its straight garbage.

Anyone know why he keeps pointing out he put me on his ignore list? like no one knew that the first 200 times he said it.. :)

I think runandshoot is nfl2k in disguise...

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Hello There My fellow gamers. I was just admiring the post and just thinking how a thread could last so long without a point. Truthfully there is not really a D-Line Glitch. If someone continues to run in that way then all you have to do is select a run play especially the I-formation and the glitch will be gone. I for once has a pass play thay has two RBs in a split formation so whatever side this D-Line glitch comes I tossed it to the RBs. Watch how quickly he stops that glitched when My RB runs for about 30 yards or more. But truthfully in Football a person can blitz whoever they choose manually or not. The QB can run if he wants or if there is no one open. The offense job is to get first downs and touchdowns. The defense cannot tell the offense not to let your QB run because he is faster than our Linebackers? The Offense cant tell the Defense not to blitz manually because he might sack my QB? The rules of the game on offense is to score. The rules on defense is to get the ball back. If the defense wants to line is DE as a MLB then so be it. He has not violated in rules or penalties. As long as the defense does not cross the line of scrimmage before the snap then the play is legit. How do you think we got new defenses by trying new formations and what works for your team. As far as a Sim games goes sim is what you make it. Some people is a little leaner than others but basically it is legal. The corner lob is not a glitch. all you have to do is select man coverage and have the safeties Double team each outside receiver. The game is about three years old so no need to complain now. If there is the same glitches in APF2k8 there is still no need to complain because you should be use to it by now...SO SHUT UP and PLAY THE GAME......Let the spirit of Football grow and the journey to excitement last Forever...

LMAO!!! A cheeser speaks. Mighty you are straight lobby trash with your Cheese. There is a right way to play 2K5 and a wrong way and you chose the latter. Now in 2K8 if alot of this garbage is fixed then there will be no need for some of the rules but others will apply from the standpoint of SIM gameplay.
For the are the words of the epitome of sim.

[Lacarious]

my only weakness is that i tend to run the ball more than i should... other than that.. im good..:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

You are a cry baby.. Just like run and shoot.. You cant do this you cant do that.. I bet your one of those people who says the right thumbstick is cheese.. but cause you dont know how to tackle a running back properly.. I bet you just go diving at the running back.. or just running into him.. its alright....


I have respect from the important players.. Thats all i need.. I dont need respect from cry babies :)

looks like the kid in you is bringing your head down but keep on building yourself up with your continuous text about how good you are and how everyone else sucks. I'm sure over time it will falsely build your self esteem so that one day you can feel all special inside or whatever. But the bubble might burst as it looks like it already has but keep it up... you can pump more air into that head by repeating the above message over and over and over till mommy tucks you in.

sorry dude... I didn't know you are trying to gain my respect. I'll try to ponder that when you relieve yourself of those childish thoughts.

[bigfnjoe96]

I see diherria of the mouth is @ it again....

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

I see diherria of the mouth is @ it again....

I see the thread XwhoRXe is back :(

[Lacarious]

I for once has a pass play thay has two RBs in a split formation s

very true... i used that a lot when in a L that had no DL rule. As well as for dudes that blitz their LB's 24/7. Only prob though... is it limits your playbook... then the other dude will be like... "all you did is run that same play over and over" not understanding why... kind of like the dude that drafted 3 90+ LB's and then complains that you ran 4 WR set all game.

[sportsgeist]

Heres what I consider cheese or whatever you want to call it. Most of this is what you see from Madden players playing 2K.

1. When you're up by whatever points and its in the first 3 qtrs its 4th down & 20 and you still go for it. Thats cheese to me.

2. Never punt (part of #1) thats cheese to me.

3. Always goes for 2 point conversion(s) even when you're up and/or don't need it. Thats cheese to me.

4. Watching replays (good and bad plays) but when someone else does it mainly to pay you back you get upset and start pausing the game on and off real fast. Thats chesse to me.

5. Someone who quits a game when they're losing. Thats cheese to me.

[Someone]

Run and Shoot I have a quick question for you. First off I don't play 2k5 any more because I sold my xbox. But anyway. Would you call me cheese if I blitzed more than 75% of the game? Plus I've never Glitch. And the account I used to play with I no longer use so. Just asking.

[Codenamemighty]

LMAO!!! A cheeser speaks. Mighty you are straight lobby trash with your Cheese. There is a right way to play 2K5 and a wrong way and you chose the latter. Now in 2K8 if alot of this garbage is fixed then there will be no need for some of the rules but others will apply from the standpoint of SIM gameplay.
For the are the words of the epitome of sim.

You are a funny kid.. You quit the game on me because I was beating you and you thought I was cheesing because I was running the ball through your defense. I ran the I-formation to the right and gain about 20 yards. I then ran the same play to the left and gain about 15 yards. I pick a formation that look similar to that formation and gain another 15 or so yards and you call me a cheeser. After I scored on you and you knew you could not throw or run the ball on me you started to Run with Steve Mcnair of the Titans on every play. You pick 4 WR and one RBs and take off down the sidelines with Steve McNair. But when I started to Blitz my linebackers from both Sides and play the Middle Linebackers and McNair could not run either side or middle you glitch the game by letting the clock hit zero and then you push quit at the same time to confuse the computer and make the game not count...So you tell me who is the real cheese. You hate it when someone is beating you and you have no answers. You are definitely a Sore Looser...But I forgive and I hold no grudges. May your gameplay improve in APF2k8....

[Hotsuma]

Run and Shoot I have a quick question for you. First off I don't play 2k5 any more because I sold my xbox. But anyway. Would you call me cheese if I blitzed more than 75% of the game? Plus I've never Glitch. And the account I used to play with I no longer use so. Just asking.


ill answer that for you... yes he would.. even if you dont manually blitz.. I can sit in 4-3.. he wwould be in a quads formation.. I blitz all 3 my linebackers.. With 4 of my Dlinemen blitzing too.. whats 4+3? 7.. 7 guys coming at you.. but he will call you cheese because thats a glitch.. When really you are over powering his line :)

[Hotsuma]

You are a funny kid.. You quit the game on me because I was beating you and you thought I was cheesing because I was running the ball through your defense. I ran the I-formation to the right and gain about 20 yards. I then ran the same play to the left and gain about 15 yards. I pick a formation that look similar to that formation and gain another 15 or so yards and you call me a cheeser. After I scored on you and you knew you could not throw or run the ball on me you started to Run with Steve Mcnair of the Titans on every play. You pick 4 WR and one RBs and take off down the sidelines with Steve McNair. But when I started to Blitz my linebackers from both Sides and play the Middle Linebackers and McNair could not run either side or middle you glitch the game by letting the clock hit zero and then you push quit at the same time to confuse the computer and make the game not count...So you tell me who is the real cheese. You hate it when someone is beating you and you have no answers. You are definitely a Sore Looser...But I forgive and I hold no grudges. May your gameplay improve in APF2k8....


ow.. I agree with codenamemighty.. Even though he is lobby trash he is correct on the part i put in Bold.....:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Lacarious]

4. Watching replays (good and bad plays) but when someone else does it mainly to pay you back you get upset and start pausing the game on and off real fast. Thats chesse to me.


i never did replays but when a dude started watching every TD replay.... and he was winning.... i knew I would eventually come back and win... so when I did... every TD replay would get watched and man.... those dudes would get MAD!

I would also not hit my buttons on big non TD plays for dudes all the time.. but then when I got a big play.. mofo would hit his buttons... so I'm thinking... maybe he just bumped it... so I give him the benefit... then it happens again.. and again.. but i'm not hitting my buttons on his replays and he just lets them go and go.... that's when you know you're playing against an asinine jackazz that is bent on ruining the fun.

[Someone]

Well my gameplan was to put heavy pressure on the Quarterback, so they couldn't run. Most of my games didn't get above 21 points. Plus I just ran the ball down your throat. Isn't that what real football is. Blitzing, and taking advantage of your oppents weakness's. But not the glitchs in the game.

[Lacarious]

You are a funny kid.. You hate it when someone is beating you and you have no answers. You are definitely a Sore Looser...But I forgive and I hold no grudges. May your gameplay improve in APF2k8....

PWNGE!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just a game R&P.... take your L like a man!

[Lacarious]

Well my gameplan was to put heavy pressure on the Quarterback, so they couldn't run. Most of my games didn't get above 21 points. Plus I just ran the ball down your throat. Isn't that what real football is. Blitzing, and taking advantage of your oppents weakness's. But not the glitchs in the game.

a good runner is hard to stop in 2K5 but over time and maybe in the next game... you can find a good D to keep them from getting 1st downs. Then again... sometimes it's just not your day.

Polio would run the rock 24/7.... at first... it sucked... because mofo would wait till 1 second before every run... one time that fool ran the clock out of two 5 min Q's on his first possession in a freaking playoff game... but... it wouldn't matter because he had no D. but over time... he couldn't get jack on the run... never evolved just ran the same stuff. Once I figured out how to keep him from getting a TD.... it was ova! He scores FG's... I score TD's.... a nice huge slice of humble pie was fo him every single time we played.

[Someone]

I never let the clock get below 20 unless it was 1:30 to 2 minutes left in the game, and I was up by 2 touchdowns. Then I jsut ran the clock out. Plus I only got 2-5 yrds per carry. And I used my backup to.

[Darkheath]

You are a funny kid.. You quit the game on me because I was beating you and you thought I was cheesing because I was running the ball through your defense. I ran the I-formation to the right and gain about 20 yards. I then ran the same play to the left and gain about 15 yards. I pick a formation that look similar to that formation and gain another 15 or so yards and you call me a cheeser. After I scored on you and you knew you could not throw or run the ball on me you started to Run with Steve Mcnair of the Titans on every play. You pick 4 WR and one RBs and take off down the sidelines with Steve McNair. But when I started to Blitz my linebackers from both Sides and play the Middle Linebackers and McNair could not run either side or middle you glitch the game by letting the clock hit zero and then you push quit at the same time to confuse the computer and make the game not count...So you tell me who is the real cheese. You hate it when someone is beating you and you have no answers. You are definitely a Sore Looser...But I forgive and I hold no grudges. May your gameplay improve in APF2k8....


Mighty... eloquent as usual. I look forward to playing you once the game hits.

Mr. Sim... how do you answer these rather incriminating allegations?

[kcxiv]

Only thing i find funny in run and shoot, as he claims to be Mr. ALL PRo Sim. When he first started though, boy was he anything but sim. I guess he turned it around, and i dont know how good he is, i havent played in a very long time. Once 2, lost the rights, i kinda just stopped playing video football. Yeah, i was bummed.

Anyways, having to many rules does not make the game fun. Play your own style as long as your not trying to cheat.

[ScottyP]

Anyways, having to many rules does not make the game fun. Play your own style as long as your not trying to cheat.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Only thing i find funny in run and shoot, as he claims to be Mr. ALL PRo Sim. When he first started though, boy was he anything but sim. I guess he turned it around, and i dont know how good he is, i havent played in a very long time. Once 2, lost the rights, i kinda just stopped playing video football. Yeah, i was bummed.

Anyways, having to many rules does not make the game fun. Play your own style as long as your not trying to cheat.

KC remember I would literallty use the Run and Shoot offense and for that I was called no sim. Now it was when I got bamboozled by Firstborn 65-14 that made me go way from that style of play and also made me move manually from LB to S. The playbook of 4 wide and Kings is so limited I realised I couldnt run that offense on good players like firstborn. I mean it worked like a charm against lobby scum. So I went away from that and never looked back. I did run Mcnair a few times a game and Manual blitzed with bullock sometimes but after that game I never went back to that kind of play. Now the rules are hardly even notcied if you are a sim player.

As for CodenameMORON I dont know what game you are talking about because I was winning 10-7 but I got tired of dodging your glitching *** on every passing play and your blatant corner lobs so I asked for a quit you denied, so I dropped your *** like a bad habit. I hope you improve your game in 2K8 and move away from cheese. for these are the words of the epitome of sim:)

[Oldkingsman]

You are a funny kid.. You quit the game on me because I was beating you and you thought I was cheesing because I was running the ball through your defense. I ran the I-formation to the right and gain about 20 yards. I then ran the same play to the left and gain about 15 yards. I pick a formation that look similar to that formation and gain another 15 or so yards and you call me a cheeser. After I scored on you and you knew you could not throw or run the ball on me you started to Run with Steve Mcnair of the Titans on every play. You pick 4 WR and one RBs and take off down the sidelines with Steve McNair. But when I started to Blitz my linebackers from both Sides and play the Middle Linebackers and McNair could not run either side or middle you glitch the game by letting the clock hit zero and then you push quit at the same time to confuse the computer and make the game not count...So you tell me who is the real cheese. You hate it when someone is beating you and you have no answers. You are definitely a Sore Looser...But I forgive and I hold no grudges. May your gameplay improve in APF2k8....No one is SIM,100% NO ONE! But codename,i must ask you...Do you run the QB? Do you D-line rush/glitch, do you lob? This is not an attack,i just want to know. Do you think you play a fair game? Because i have heard time and time again about who is so-called sim and who is not,But the people saying they are Sim,are the one's that everybody says is not(follow me so far,LOL)From game drops to running qbs,and freezing games,i mean who can you trust to play a fair game?

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

OldKingsman, I wil not say anything personal because of our agreement, but NO Codenamemighty does not PLAY SIM BALL.

[Codenamemighty]

No one is SIM,100% NO ONE! But codename,i must ask you...Do you run the QB? Do you D-line rush/glitch, do you lob? This is not an attack,i just want to know. Do you think you play a fair game? Because i have heard time and time again about who is so-called sim and who is not,But the people saying they are Sim,are the one's that everybody says is not(follow me so far,LOL)From game drops to running qbs,and freezing games,i mean who can you trust to play a fair game?


Hello My royal King. This is truly your Land. I for one does not intend to Run with my QB because I play with the Bills and my QB is Drew Bledsoe so you can imagine what type of incident will happen if i try to run my QB. I occasionally have ran with Drew Bledsoe about 3 yards when the reciever I wanted to throw to was covered and i did not have time to look elsewhere. I do not D-line glitch because I don't even know how people do that. I do not lob my passes because mainly I am throwing slants and post routes and deep passes depending on the defense. My whole offense depends on the persons defense. If someone continues to blitz inside I just run a sweep or toss to the outside. If they blitz outside I run a play up the middle. I usually don't pass if there is a blitz because of my QB. But if they sit back in zone and no pressure i will pass all day and mixed up the run a little to keep them guessing. But am I a Sim player? I don't know. I just pick the play I think is best to get in scoring postion. While on defense I pick plays that is balance that gives good run support and defend against the pass...So I play fair but their are people who just don't like my style of play just like their are people who don't like my stye of posting and words... But i say to you My KING...You are a great person and may your Royalty bring happy victories in APF2k8......

[Oldkingsman]

OldKingsman, I wil not say anything personal because of our agreement, but NO Codenamemighty does not PLAY SIM BALL.Hey Run,i meant no harm,i am just over this sim no sim thing, everybody blames everybody else for something and i want to know what codename thinks sim is? The ones that i have played,who say nothing and just play, it seems play pretty fair ball, a lob here and there maybe a qb run once or twice and then there are the MONSTERS of UNSIM the kitchen sink x100 i mean there is a difference,i just want to know which side does he lean towards.

[Oldkingsman]

Hello My royal King. This is truly your Land. I for one does not intend to Run with my QB because I play with the Bills and my QB is Drew Bledsoe so you can imagine what type of incident will happen if i try to run my QB. I occasionally have ran with Drew Bledsoe about 3 yards when the reciever I wanted to throw to was covered and i did not have time to look elsewhere. I do not D-line glitch because I don't even know how people do that. I do not lob my passes because mainly I am throwing slants and post routes and deep passes depending on the defense. My whole offense depends on the persons defense. If someone continues to blitz inside I just run a sweep or toss to the outside. If they blitz outside I run a play up the middle. I usually don't pass if there is a blitz because of my QB. But if they sit back in zone and no pressure i will pass all day and mixed up the run a little to keep them guessing. But am I a Sim player? I don't know. I just pick the play I think is best to get in scoring postion. While on defense I pick plays that is balance that gives good run support and defend against the pass...So I play fair but their are people who just don't like my style of play just like their are people who don't like my stye of posting and words... But i say to you My KING...You are a great person and may your Royalty bring happy victories in APF2k8......ummm..ok. uhh..thanks,that just about clears things up for me.Peace,Mighty.

[Codenamemighty]

OldKingsman, I wil not say anything personal because of our agreement, but NO Codenamemighty does not PLAY SIM BALL.


To XrunandShootx If you say i don't play SIM thats fine by me because I just pick the plays and try to execute them to scoring positions. I am not the Wiz to know what is 100% Sim and what is not. I don't even know how people do all those freezed game glitches. They have been done to me several times before but I still to this day do not know how people do that. I have seen people snap the ball and somehow the receiver on the far end has the ball running with it? Now how they do that is beyond my time to figure it out. But whatever you have to say to me is fine Xrunandshootx. I hope all those glitches is fixed and then there will be no excuse for you to post anything about who is sim and cheeser. If you lose then it is because that person was just better than you on that day. So I welcome All Pro Football 2k8 and hopefully it is glitched free. Then we will see where the real talent lies and i gurantee that Codenamemighty will be there in the end. I might not win every game but I gurantee when we do play I will be a challenge...May this new beginning bring peace and friendship and hoepfully great Fun...Let the spirit of Football Grow and the journey of excitement last Forever....

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

Well mighty you are welcome to jump on Xbox live and I will record the game. Then we can break down both of our type of gameplay. What do you say? If you play fair as you say you do. I will remove your name from the NO SIM list if proven otherwise. Just a friendly game and unranked if you like.

[Oldkingsman]

To XrunandShootx If you say i don't play SIM thats fine by me because I just pick the plays and try to execute them to scoring positions. I am not the Wiz to know what is 100% Sim and what is not. I don't even know how people do all those freezed game glitches. They have been done to me several times before but I still to this day do not know how people do that. I have seen people snap the ball and somehow the receiver on the far end has the ball running with it? Now how they do that is beyond my time to figure it out. But whatever you have to say to me is fine Xrunandshootx. I hope all those glitches is fixed and then there will be no excuse for you to post anything about who is sim and cheeser. If you lose then it is because that person was just better than you on that day. So I welcome All Pro Football 2k8 and hopefully it is glitched free. Then we will see where the real talent lies and i gurantee that Codenamemighty will be there in the end. I might not win every game but I gurantee when we do play I will be a challenge...May this new beginning bring peace and friendship and hoepfully great Fun...Let the spirit of Football Grow and the journey of excitement last Forever....
Your a funny guy! Codenamehuhwhat! Very funny indeed.