I expect some of you will be crying come the 17th

[Dallas4lr]

Well,



I just watched the gamespot live demo again and what I came away with might not sit well with cheaters or those which look for weaknesses to exploit in the AI.

When the 2K team was asked what were they the proudest of, they didnt state the legends, nor the graphics, they stated they were proudest of their new AI. He also stated that simply it was smart!!! The DB's dont do dumb things, and the linemen make the blocks their suppose to. Thats saying alot, that alone convinced me to prepay for this title. So all you cheaters beware, some of you will finally have to learn how to really play football.

This game is going to be tough to beat!!!

I've had my PS3 for 6 months and this will be my first PS3 game, I also just ordered an HDMI cable for my 62 inch Sony.


Dallas

[soleshark]

good news ~ but no game is cheat proof!
they may have made it better, but the cheesers will find out something!!!
BELIEVE THAT!!!

[c-mac22]

thats good i hate that in all football game if u have a fast wr and u do a playaction that makes him run strait up it works every time i might have to realy play to win now

[twsn88]

crying? lol if anything i will be signing off here with the final thread about the game with pics and etc... thats whats going down the 17th as read belowVVVV

[sweetbooness]

Fixing the AI and the blocking schemes is something every SIM player should be very happy about. I know I am.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

The kind of people hes talking about crying are people like the plague. Who condone cheating and can't win without it.

[thePLAGUE]

I hope so...i know how to play the game of football...No whining people...Practice before you come online.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I hope so...i know how to play the game of football...No whining people...Practice before you come online.

Shut up your nothing but a cheeser.

[thePLAGUE]

Shut up your nothing but a cheeser.


Here we go...Game isnt here yet and you assume I am...great, I like to embrace what I am called...You dont make the rules...You can control every position you want in an online game of football...Get your mind right...

[ninetyfourniner$]

Shut up your nothing but a cheeser.


Why is he a cheeser?

Here we go...Game isnt here yet and you assume I am...great, I like to embrace what I am called...You dont make the rules...You can control every position you want in an online game of football...Get your mind right...

Why did he call you a cheeser?

[thePLAGUE]

Because I said its ok to control my LBS and blitz them manually...According to XXrunandshootXX and his wanabee entorage of sissy ballers, its is not sim to control anyone other than the safety...

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Why is he a cheeser?

Here we go...Game isnt here yet and you assume I am...great, I like to embrace what I am called...You dont make the rules...You can control every position you want in an online game of football...Get your mind right...

Why did he call you a cheeser?[/QUOTE]

Manuel Blitzing is cheese he condones it better yet he does it. I.E he's a cheeser

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Because I said its ok to control my LBS and blitz them manually...According to XXrunandshootXX and his wanabee entorage of sissy ballers, its is not sim to control anyone other than the safety...

*Entourage*. Its sim rules, follow them and your sim don't and your not simple. I should of K.I.S my comments especially for someone as stupid as you plague.

BTW (Kept IT Simple)

[thePLAGUE]

I give up...Next thing it will be cheesing to actually manually control your QB...str8 imbe.ciles

[thePLAGUE]

*Entourage*. Its sim rules, follow them and your sim don't and your not simple. I should of K.I.S my comments especially for someone as stupid as you plague.

BTW (Kept IT Simple)

SIM rules according to whom?...I think you are too old to be playing games cos obviously you beging to think is real.

[ninetyfourniner$]

If you control a player who is SUPPOSED to blitz according to the play design, that is NOT cheese. If you blitz a player who is NOT supposed to blitz according to the play design, that IS cheese, if it tricks the AI, that is.

IMHO.

But how could anyone tell?

[ImBACKK,killah5]

SIM rules according to whom?...I think you are too old to be playing games cos obviously you beging to think is real.

Yeah im too old because im 18 and your 27. Your a real smart guy plague, smart enough im going to recommend you try to get on the show "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?":thumbsup:

[kcxiv]

Well,



I just watched the gamespot live demo again and what I came away with might not sit well with cheaters or those which look for weaknesses to exploit in the AI.

When the 2K team was asked what were they the proudest of, they didnt state the legends, nor the graphics, they stated they were proudest of their new AI. He also stated that simply it was smart!!! The DB's dont do dumb things, and the linemen make the blocks their suppose to. Thats saying alot, that alone convinced me to prepay for this title. So all you cheaters beware, some of you will finally have to learn how to really play football.

This game is going to be tough to beat!!!

I've had my PS3 for 6 months and this will be my first PS3 game, I also just ordered an HDMI cable for my 62 inch Sony.


Dallas
Whats wrong with playing a hard game? Also, there is a reason why they have Rookie, Pro, and ALL-Pro settings. I am also sure there will be sliders :)

[perryjl]

When was there a rule that you had to control the safety. I'm not picking sides, i really want to know because this is my first year playing online. When i play any football game i always control the LB, or sometimes Safety depending the play, or sometimes the D-line, but mostly the LB. So why is it a rule that you can only use a safety? Now that i think about it, every guy i play offline also switches up like i do depending the play. Is it wrong to control a player and place him as i see fit? I mean what if i don't trust the cpu to control him as i want him. Just like taking control of your WR to make a catch because i don't trust the cpu to do it for me.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

jesus... just because something was cheese in 2k5 doesn't mean it will be in APF. Wait until the game comes out before you decide what the glitchers are and who the cheesers are, damn..

[captainclutch2]

If you control a player who is SUPPOSED to blitz according to the play design, that is NOT cheese. If you blitz a player who is NOT supposed to blitz according to the play design, that IS cheese, if it tricks the AI, that is.

IMHO.

But how could anyone tell?
I dont really follow. If I was playing D n I noticed a mismatch and sent the house isnt that smart defense? Its cheesing doing it every down

[Flips House]

Let me get this straight....blitzing a lineman is cheese; blitzing a LB is cheese; well blitzing ANY gamer controlled player is cheese. Is this right? So anytime the gamer controlled defender goes after the only gamer controlled ballhandler (the QB), that's cheese? Because the the offense doesn't control the lineman to block?

I am one of the most outspoken believer in off the ball defense being unsim in NBA....but this is absolutely ridiculous. Do you honestly think it's more sim to be limited to only guarding CPU players running pre-scripted routes? Sounds like someone just can't handle pressure in the backfield, so you choose not to play that way, and then want to say that's the only right way. If you had a legit arguement, I could understand....but....the whole no control over O Line really doesn't make any sense.

I will continue to blitz ANY player, at ANY time. The point is, the offense doesn't know, sometimes the player I control will blitz, sometimes he will guard a man, sometimes he will drop into a zone, sometimes etc., etc., etc.....that's football. If you can prove it's a gameplay flaw, I might be swayed.....but I've never had any problem with someone blitzing me, and I refuse to feel bad for doing it to anybody else.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Let me get this straight....blitzing a lineman is cheese; blitzing a LB is cheese; well blitzing ANY gamer controlled player is cheese. Is this right? So anytime the gamer controlled defender goes after the only gamer controlled ballhandler (the QB), that's cheese? Because the the offense doesn't control the lineman to block?

I am one of the most outspoken believer in off the ball defense being unsim in NBA....but this is absolutely ridiculous. Do you honestly think it's more sim to be limited to only guarding CPU players running pre-scripted routes? Sounds like someone just can't handle pressure in the backfield, so you choose not to play that way, and then want to say that's the only right way. If you had a legit arguement, I could understand....but....the whole no control over O Line really doesn't make any sense.

I will continue to blitz ANY player, at ANY time. The point is, the offense doesn't know, sometimes the player I control will blitz, sometimes he will guard a man, sometimes he will drop into a zone, sometimes etc., etc., etc.....that's football. If you can prove it's a gameplay flaw, I might be swayed.....but I've never had any problem with someone blitzing me, and I refuse to feel bad for doing it to anybody else.

And thats why there is sim players and that is why there is thrash like you.:thumbsup:

[Flips House]

And thats why there is sim players and that is why there is thrash like you.:thumbsup:

Pardon me?

[ninetyfourniner$]

I dont really follow. If I was playing D n I noticed a mismatch and sent the house isnt that smart defense? Its cheesing doing it every down


If you CALL a full blitz, no. But I'm afraid that if you pick, say a middle LB blitz, and then, say, pull down a safety that's supposed to be in a deep zone and blitz him, AND THIS TRICKS THE AI, then how can it NOT be cheese?


EDIT- I'm talking about something like the Madden "nano-blitz" if you know about that. If it doesn't trick the AI I don't have a problem with it.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

And thats why there is sim players and that is why there is thrash like you.:thumbsup:

noone cares what you think... and :rotfl: at you calling people trash because of a video game... hahaha. Do you think anyone cares what someone who noone knows thinks about them??

[Flips House]

By the way, I've been one of the most hardcore sim players in every sport game I've ever played.

What you don't seem to understand, sim isn't exactly a set of rules that you play by, but rather the type of player that you are. The type of player you are is directly related to the type of person you are. The type of person you are is definitely in question after your last comment.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

By the way, I've been one of the most hardcore sim players in every sport game I've ever played.

What you don't seem to understand, sim isn't exactly a set of rules that you play by, but rather the type of player that you are. The type of player you are is directly related to the type of person you are. The type of person you are is definitely in question after your last comment.

I know, i'm always known as being one of the most sim players in all the sports games I played... this is just some guy that just started posting here that somehow thinks his opinion matters and wants attention.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I know, i'm always known as being one of the most sim players in all the sports games I played... this is just some guy that just started posting here that somehow thinks his opinion matters and wants attention.

Started posting here? I've been posting before you have.I have been using different names,and once again I don't care if others care for my opinion or care for my criticism's im still going to give them. So its basically a moot point.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Started posting here? I've been posting before you have.I have been using different names,and once again I don't care if others care for my opinion or care for my criticism's im still going to give them. So its basically a moot point.

Well i've been here since basically right when this site was moved to 2ksports.com, so...

[perryjl]

If you CALL a full blitz, no. But I'm afraid that if you pick, say a middle LB blitz, and then, say, pull down a safety that's supposed to be in a deep zone and blitz him, AND THIS TRICKS THE AI, then how can it NOT be cheese?


EDIT- I'm talking about something like the Madden "nano-blitz" if you know about that. If it doesn't trick the AI I don't have a problem with it.


Okay, i see what you are saying. But i see 2 sides to it.

1.) in real life, if a safety suppose to play zone, he won't just do what he wants and blitz. I call has to be made or a change.

2.) if the AI gets confused, i take it as a real life scenario. sometimes O-Line do get confused and miss the play they should have made. But after a few times they would catch on. Actually the next play if it happens again they should catch on.

[Flips House]

I know, i'm always known as being one of the most sim players in all the sports games I played... this is just some guy that just started posting here that somehow thinks his opinion matters and wants attention.

I think we know each other....we've both been around these boards for entirely too long. I'm pretty sure you might've even been on an old friends list from an old gamertag, possibly from an NBA league a few years back. I know we've debated many intracacies of sim/cheese regarding NBA 2K.

I've got no problem with him posting his opinion on cheese/sim....everybody should. But he should be able to debate his view on it's merits, rather than resorting to calling people who disagree trash.

[2Nyce]

I could care less about cheesers.

I will only play sim players from this board.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I think we know each other....we've both been around these boards for entirely too long. I'm pretty sure you might've even been on an old friends list from an old gamertag, possibly from an NBA league a few years back. I know we've debated many intracacies of sim/cheese regarding NBA 2K.

I've got no problem with him posting his opinion on cheese/sim....everybody should. But he should be able to debate his view on it's merits, rather than resorting to calling people who disagree trash.

What you don't understand is that there is no debate. It is black and white. You manually blitz with a player its cheese. This is how its always been, you have no say in the matter its already been predetermined.

And to your post below me "But I guess thats cuz Im a trash cheese player". Yeah you pretty much nailed it with that statement

[Flips House]

I could care less about cheesers.

I will only play sim players from this board.

I guess that depends on you view of sim....cuz I can guarantee that there's gonna be a blitz or two using a player I'm controlling every once in awhile.

But, I guess that's cuz I'm a trash cheese player.

[Flips House]

What you don't understand is that there is no debate. It is black and white. You manually blitz with a player its cheese. This is how its always been, you have no say in the matter its already been predetermined.

What???? Why? Give me anything that I've ever considered cheese in any game, and I can tell you exactly why....not some BS, that's just the way it is cuz that's what I think.

[ninetyfourniner$]

2.) if the AI gets confused, i take it as a real life scenario. sometimes O-Line do get confused and miss the play they should have made. But after a few times they would catch on. Actually the next play if it happens again they should catch on.


Well, frankly, if it fools the AI once, it'll probably do it EVERY time. In REAL life, there would be ways to counter- but IF the AI is screwed with this, then it will NEVER be countered in a realistic way.

Therefore it is pure cheese. IF the AI is consistantly fooled by it.

[2Nyce]

I guess that depends on you view of sim....cuz I can guarantee that there's gonna be a blitz or two using a player I'm controlling every once in awhile.

But, I guess that's cuz I'm a trash cheese player.


Naw man, I don't think that's cheese at all.

I do that that as well, but I usually control the safety.

[perryjl]

It all comes down to your point of view really

As i posted before there is 2 sides to it

1.) in real life, if a safety suppose to play zone, he won't just do what he wants and blitz. I call has to be made or a change.

2.) if the AI gets confused, i take it as a real life scenario. sometimes O-Line do get confused and miss the play they should have made. But after a few times they would catch on. Actually the next play if it happens again they should catch on.

[Flips House]

What you don't understand is that there is no debate. It is black and white. You manually blitz with a player its cheese. This is how its always been, you have no say in the matter its already been predetermined.

And to your post below me "But I guess thats cuz Im a trash cheese player". Yeah you pretty much nailed it with that statement

It's black and white that it's in the game....if you think it's misbalanced or "cheese", it's your responsibility to say why, and then back it up. If you want to go black and white, the designers, the people who get paid to work on this game full time, decided to allow you to blitz with any player you want....so the black and white defense is clear that it's OK to do it. Now if you wanna say it's not right, tell us why....

BTW, I just got told "that's how it's always been" by someone whose parents were probably still virgins when I was playing my first football game.

[omerta07]

If you control a player who is SUPPOSED to blitz according to the play design, that is NOT cheese. If you blitz a player who is NOT supposed to blitz according to the play design, that IS cheese, if it tricks the AI, that is.

IMHO.

But how could anyone tell?
i dont even see how thats cheese . i think alot of people [not all] that talk that cheese stuff are nothing but crybabies and complainers. when i play against you my job is to stop you and to beat you . my thing is : do what you want.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

It's black and white that it's in the game....if you think it's misbalanced or "cheese", it's your responsibility to say why, and then back it up. If you want to go black and white, the designers, the people who get paid to work on this game full time, decided to allow you to blitz with any player you want....so the black and white defense is clear that it's OK to do it. Now if you wanna say it's not right, tell us why....

BTW, I just got told "that's how it's always been" by someone whose parents were probably still virgins when I was playing my first football game.

Is that suppose to be a good thing. I find it funny when older people make fun of youths. Your just mad because your going to die before me thats it.

[Flips House]

No....it just means I don't respect your VAST experience.

[omerta07]

i even read somewhere that running the same play over and over [ to sucess i might add ] is somehow cheesy and not sim . i dont know any real life team that wouldnt run the same play over and over if it worked .

[BIG_45_12_ROB]

So your saying in real football, a linebacker or safety never blitzes on his own, because if your saying that you are sadly mistaken and have never played the game. In fact at playing linebacker the coach will tell you hey if you feel a point in time where u can blitz just do it regardless, do a little tap on the side of the d line get back in a zone and cause confusion liek your checkin' off, and then, if they are calling a run stuff them in their tracks. its done all the time, on the field the captions are the generals not the coaches, so yea i can tell you there are times where blitzes are done where on a video game they would be called "manual" blitzes so how is that cheese, i call that down and dirty strategy

[ImBACKK,killah5]

No....it just means I don't respect your VAST experience.

Why do i care if im respected by someone who is known to be lobby thrash aka a manuel blitzing coot ?

[ImBACKK,killah5]

i even read somewhere that running the same play over and over [ to sucess i might add ] is somehow cheesy and not sim . i dont know any real life team that wouldnt run the same play over and over if it worked .

Im sorry but your last 2 comments have lumped you into the lobby thrash section of my list which im making.

[omerta07]

this is very interesting :think:

[ninetyfourniner$]

It all comes down to your point of view really

As i posted before there is 2 sides to it


Dude, it is NOT like real life if the OL gets fooled EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you are TRICKING the AI how is that not cheese? I explained why your second reason may not apply, and just in case you missed it, here is why:

IF the manual blitz tricks the AI EVERY TIME, it CANNOT be compared to tricknig an OLmen like in real life, because in real life that OLmen will not be fooled every time by it. He will adjust to it.

However, if blitzing like that tricks the opposition's OL EVERY SINGLE TIME it is CLEARLY GLITCH that is being ABUSED.

How is it NOT cheese IF it trickes the AI every single time? I put this in bold so you will not easily miss it, because it is my main point. IF it tricks the AI every single time, it is clearly an abuse of a glitch.

[omerta07]

Im sorry but your last 2 comments have lumped you into the lobby thrash section of my list which im making.
do what you will playa you arent important to me . im just simply tryng to understand all of you guys point of views . can you please explain to me why my example is considered cheese ?

[Flips House]

Why do i care if im respected by someone who is known to be lobby thrash aka a manuel blitzing coot ?

Keep coming up with witty and funny names....proves exactly how funny and witty you are.

All I'm asking is you try and tell us all why this is "cheese" and if someone were to go by the dubious name of "manual blitzing coot"....it would be a bad thing. One more try....if all you come back with is some other funny name, I give up. Continue to think what you want to think.....most idiots do.

[perryjl]

So your saying in real football, a linebacker or safety never blitzes on his own, because if your saying that you are sadly mistaken and have never played the game. In fact at playing linebacker the coach will tell you hey if you feel a point in time where u can blitz just do it regardless, do a little tap on the side of the d line get back in a zone and cause confusion liek your checkin' off, and then, if they are calling a run stuff them in their tracks. its done all the time, on the field the captions are the generals not the coaches, so yea i can tell you there are times where blitzes are done where on a video game they would be called "manual" blitzes so how is that cheese, i call that down and dirty strategy


Yes, i agree with that. I believe 2K5 installed in that game the ability to change a single persons asignment. That is simulating what you just said. You see something in the offense, then that player changes his assignment, not audible. They had that in the game. That was made for that purpose. For when a player decides he wants to blitz. But they are talking about the person is still playing zone coverage. As far as the game know that safety plans to play zone and hasn't decided he was going to blitz.

[omerta07]

Dude, it is NOT like real life if the OL gets fooled EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you are TRICKING the AI how is that not cheese? I explained why your second reason may not apply, and just in case you missed it, here is why:

IF the manual blitz tricks the AI EVERY TIME, it CANNOT be compared to tricknig an OLmen like in real life, because in real life that OLmen will not be fooled every time by it. He will adjust to it.

However, if blitzing like that tricks the opposition's OL EVERY SINGLE TIME it is CLEARLY GLITCH that is being ABUSED.

How is it NOT cheese IF it trickes the AI every single time? I put this in bold so you will not easily miss it, because it is my main point. IF it tricks the AI every single time, it is clearly an abuse of a glitch.
shouldnt this be something to get mad at the game developer for and not the person you are playing ? no offense , just trying to learn .

[ninetyfourniner$]

So your saying in real football, a linebacker or safety never blitzes on his own, because if your saying that you are sadly mistaken and have never played the game. In fact at playing linebacker the coach will tell you hey if you feel a point in time where u can blitz just do it regardless, do a little tap on the side of the d line get back in a zone and cause confusion liek your checkin' off, and then, if they are calling a run stuff them in their tracks. its done all the time, on the field the captions are the generals not the coaches, so yea i can tell you there are times where blitzes are done where on a video game they would be called "manual" blitzes so how is that cheese, i call that down and dirty strategy

My only complaint is if it TRICKS THE AI every single time. In REAL football offensive linemen will begin to figure it out and adjust. If in the game the linemen are tricked every single time it is CLEARLY the abuse of a GLITCH.

How is that not cheese if the AI is tricked every single time? How is that real football if the OLmen NEVER adjust to such a strategy? In REAL football clever schemes like that are COUNTERED. That's why real football teams attack in SO many different ways. Because NOTHING works EVERY time.

So if this fools the AI of the linemen EVERY TIME it is NOT real football- it is CHEESE.

How is it not cheese if it trickes the OL AI 100% of the time?

(this is all centered on the IF... if it DOESN'T trick the AI every time, then it's just smart football. But answer the hypothetical please)

[IMDVS2]

OK, a quick question. Say I'm controling the MLB and my job is to spy on the HB. If he stays in the backfield to block or maybe catcha screen, is it cheese if I come in and either asck the QB or break up the pass either by batting it down or picking it off? If it is then that's nuts. I played linebacker in organized football (High school and College) My job was to make the QB's and RB's lives miserable. If this meant blitzing everydown, then so be it. If the team was good enough to counter this then we wouold disguise it with what may have looked like another formation. The key to good D is to mix up your packages so the offense, or opposing coach don't know what's coming.

What do you think the 46 Defense is based on? It is a blitzing formation, anyone can blitz at any time. The key to beating it is to audible or get out a quick pass in the flat. No Defense is unbeatable. The key is to counter whatever packages they throw at you.

I have been silent lately when it comes to the 'rules' of sim. But when people start to get nasty with each other, I think that the rules should be looked at once again. The blitzing LB or DL is actually easy to defend. If you guys haven't figured out how yet, then you aren't as sim as you think you are.

Well, that's my take on it. I'm not a cheeser, I don't even consider myself 'sim' because of these rules. I play to have fun. That is what a video game is for. If you guys want to play for real. Sign up for an actual football adult league. I'd like to see how long you guys would last trying to tell the coach that he's a cheeser for blitzing his linebacker

Anyway, have a nice night, and I hope everyone has fun playing APF2k8.

[thePLAGUE]

Dont follow anything these wannabee ballers say...They are not men...They dont have the skill to handle diffrent styles and techniques so they make up some bonehead rules and try to get everyone to subscribe to it...I am going to control who i want to controll...Why would they have on the FLY assignments if you couldnt make an adjustment?...The only thing SIM about a football game is the CPU controlled team...Nobody here plays the game remotely like it is supposed to be played...When you call out somebody for doing what is successful for them you ruin the whole experience...Its like playing the game with your hand tired behinfd your back....Learn to be good at the game and learn the art of playing defense before you satrt making up asinine rules...SIM indeed

[perryjl]

Dude, it is NOT like real life if the OL gets fooled EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you are TRICKING the AI how is that not cheese? I explained why your second reason may not apply, and just in case you missed it, here is why:

IF the manual blitz tricks the AI EVERY TIME, it CANNOT be compared to tricknig an OLmen like in real life, because in real life that OLmen will not be fooled every time by it. He will adjust to it.

However, if blitzing like that tricks the opposition's OL EVERY SINGLE TIME it is CLEARLY GLITCH that is being ABUSED.

How is it NOT cheese IF it trickes the AI every single time? I put this in bold so you will not easily miss it, because it is my main point. IF it tricks the AI every single time, it is clearly an abuse of a glitch.

Thats what i was trying to say. I would call it a real life scenario, but because the O-Line keeps getting tricked over and over not picking up on it, i can't call it a real life scenario.

[ninetyfourniner$]

OK, a quick question. Say I'm controling the MLB and my job is to spy on the HB. If he stays in the backfield to block or maybe catcha screen, is it cheese if I come in and either asck the QB or break up the pass either by batting it down or picking it off? If it is then that's nuts.


Ok, I don't know about what every one else is saying, but all I am saying is this:

IF and ONLY IF it TRICKS THE AI every single time then you are CHEATING if you use it.

I mean, NOTHING works 100% of time in real football. In fact, nothing works even remotely CLOSE to that percentage.

[2Nyce]

Ok, I don't know about what every one else is saying, but all I am saying is this:

IF and ONLY IF it TRICKS THE AI every single time then you are CHEATING if you use it.

I mean, NOTHING works 100% of time in real football. In fact, nothing works even remotely CLOSE to that percentage.


A field goal kicked at the your opponents one yard line has an 95% of going in on a hot sunny day with no air. ;)

[ImBACKK,killah5]

OK, a quick question. Say I'm controling the MLB and my job is to spy on the HB. If he stays in the backfield to block or maybe catcha screen, is it cheese if I come in and either asck the QB or break up the pass either by batting it down or picking it off? If it is then that's nuts. I played linebacker in organized football (High school and College) My job was to make the QB's and RB's lives miserable. If this meant blitzing everydown, then so be it. If the team was good enough to counter this then we wouold disguise it with what may have looked like another formation. The key to good D is to mix up your packages so the offense, or opposing coach don't know what's coming.

What do you think the 46 Defense is based on? It is a blitzing formation, anyone can blitz at any time. The key to beating it is to audible or get out a quick pass in the flat. No Defense is unbeatable. The key is to counter whatever packages they throw at you.

I have been silent lately when it comes to the 'rules' of sim. But when people start to get nasty with each other, I think that the rules should be looked at once again. The blitzing LB or DL is actually easy to defend. If you guys haven't figured out how yet, then you aren't as sim as you think you are.

Well, that's my take on it. I'm not a cheeser, I don't even consider myself 'sim' because of these rules. I play to have fun. That is what a video game is for. If you guys want to play for real. Sign up for an actual football adult league. I'd like to see how long you guys would last trying to tell the coach that he's a cheeser for blitzing his linebacker

Anyway, have a nice night, and I hope everyone has fun playing APF2k8.


You said you've been silent when it comes to the rules of sim. Ok go back to being silent because its clear that all you are doing by making this post is trying to justify you cheesing. If you head towards the qb with a fully charged guy the o line can't block him and you can get almost a sack a down. Thats why if i blitz I let the computer blitz and I cover. But I guess it takes skill to be sim,but I can't play any other way

[Flips House]

Dude, it is NOT like real life if the OL gets fooled EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you are TRICKING the AI how is that not cheese? I explained why your second reason may not apply, and just in case you missed it, here is why:

IF the manual blitz tricks the AI EVERY TIME, it CANNOT be compared to tricknig an OLmen like in real life, because in real life that OLmen will not be fooled every time by it. He will adjust to it.

However, if blitzing like that tricks the opposition's OL EVERY SINGLE TIME it is CLEARLY GLITCH that is being ABUSED.

How is it NOT cheese IF it trickes the AI every single time? I put this in bold so you will not easily miss it, because it is my main point. IF it tricks the AI every single time, it is clearly an abuse of a glitch.

Just so you know, I'm not arguing with you....

I agree "nano-blitzes" are cheese. However, sometimes I think we're too quick to jump on what we consider cheese blitz packages. If it works all the time, it's obviously wrong. If it works every time against the same offensive play, well, then it's on the offense to change up their play calling. I wouldn't see that as much as cheese, as much as just one-dimensional play. And if it's actually working, that's because the offense is just as guilty of one dimensional play....so....I dunno....grey area.

Point is, I'm not arguing that unstoppable blitzes are OK....I disagree with killah that any blitzing with a player you control is cheese.

[omerta07]

I'm not a cheeser, I don't even consider myself 'sim' because of these rules. I play to have fun. That is what a video game is for. If you guys want to play for real. Sign up for an actual football adult league.

Anyway, have a nice night, and I hope everyone has fun playing APF2k8.
greatest post in a long while .:thumbsup:

[ninetyfourniner$]

Dont follow anything these wannabee ballers say...They are not men...They dont have the skill to handle diffrent styles and techniques so they make up some bonehead rules and try to get everyone to subscribe to it...I am going to control who i want to controll...Why would they have on the FLY assignments if you couldnt make an adjustment?...The only thing SIM about a football game is the CPU controlled team...Nobody here plays the game remotely like it is supposed to be played...When you call out somebody for doing what is successful for them you ruin the whole experience...Its like playing the game with your hand tired behinfd your back....Learn to be good at the game and learn the art of playing defense before you satrt making up asinine rules...SIM indeed


So, FOR THE RECORD, you do NOT think it is cheesy to use somthing that you KNOW tricks the OL AI 100% of the time?

That is, you think it is playing "SIM" football to use a technique that is ONE HUNDRED precent successful at tricking the computer's AI? You do not believe that that is abusing a glitch?

EDIT- Know that I am NOT against manually blitzing or defensive hot routes SO LONG AS THEY DON'T TRICK THE AI EVERY TIME.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Dont follow anything these wannabee ballers say...They are not men...They dont have the skill to handle diffrent styles and techniques so they make up some bonehead rules and try to get everyone to subscribe to it...I am going to control who i want to controll...Why would they have on the FLY assignments if you couldnt make an adjustment?...The only thing SIM about a football game is the CPU controlled team...Nobody here plays the game remotely like it is supposed to be played...When you call out somebody for doing what is successful for them you ruin the whole experience...Its like playing the game with your hand tired behinfd your back....Learn to be good at the game and learn the art of playing defense before you satrt making up asinine rules...SIM indeed

Hey I though i verbally ***** slapped you enough too send you into a corner in the fetal position.:lol:

[BIG_45_12_ROB]

cheese is a dairy product, made from milk, as simple as that

[omerta07]

Dont follow anything these wannabee ballers say...They are not men...They dont have the skill to handle diffrent styles and techniques so they make up some bonehead rules and try to get everyone to subscribe to it...I am going to control who i want to controll...Why would they have on the FLY assignments if you couldnt make an adjustment?...The only thing SIM about a football game is the CPU controlled team...Nobody here plays the game remotely like it is supposed to be played...When you call out somebody for doing what is successful for them you ruin the whole experience...Its like playing the game with your hand tired behinfd your back....Learn to be good at the game and learn the art of playing defense before you satrt making up asinine rules...SIM indeed
this is a great post . i agree man . sounds like a lot of crying to me . i ll play you anytime plague . do what you will , i only worry about what IM doing right or wrong on the field .

[ninetyfourniner$]

cheese is a dairy product, made from milk, as simple as that

So, FOR THE RECORD, you think it is acceptible to use a technique that tricks the AI every time?















Just trying to find out who some of the glitchers are...

[perryjl]

Well, that's my take on it. I'm not a cheeser, I don't even consider myself 'sim' because of these rules. I play to have fun. That is what a video game is for. If you guys want to play for real. Sign up for an actual football adult league. I'd like to see how long you guys would last trying to tell the coach that he's a cheeser for blitzing his linebacker

Anyway, have a nice night, and I hope everyone has fun playing APF2k8.


Now i'm not calling no one a cheeser, i haven't called no one a cheeser. I'm just stating my opinion on this.

But you can't have fun with a game if someone is cheating..... I havn't played any of yall, so i don''t know if is a cheeser....

[thePLAGUE]

You said you've been silent when it comes to the rules of sim. Ok go back to being silent because its clear that all you are doing by making this post is trying to justify you cheesing. If you head towards the qb with a fully charged guy the o line can't block him and you can get almost a sack a down. Thats why if i blitz I let the computer blitz and I cover. But I guess it takes skill to be sim,but I can't play any other way


I will show you how to stop a manually blitzing LB...You have a brain right?...Follow along..

So I am about to snap the football and I see my opponent is attempting to blitz a LB...I could:
1. Call a hot route for my RB/FB/HB to stay in and block

or
2. Motion a TE to the blitzing side of the LB and change his passing rounte to Blocking

or
3. I will just switch the play to a rushing play
or
4. I would attempt to use QB evade if the LB got to me...
or
5. I will shorten my WR's route ...

ETC...You are not an intelligent baller if you cant figure out these simple things...And dont lie about the A.I getting confused...Mediocre online ballers making up dum.b rules to protect their mediocrity is not right.

[thePLAGUE]

So, FOR THE RECORD, you do NOT think it is cheesy to use somthing that you KNOW tricks the OL AI 100% of the time?

That is, you think it is playing "SIM" football to use a technique that is ONE HUNDRED precent successful at tricking the computer's AI? You do not believe that that is abusing a glitch?

EDIT- Know that I am NOT against manually blitzing or defensive hot routes SO LONG AS THEY DON'T TRICK THE AI EVERY TIME.


It dosent work 100% of the time...I dont know of anything in 2k5 that works 100% of the time...DE blitzing, LOBBING, motion etc never affected me because I learn to adjust to anything and if I still lose I either copy it or take my loss miserably...That is football, you adjust...I dont mind playing cheesers like I said before, they keep me sharp and dexteric

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I will show you how to stop a manually blitzing LB...You have a brain right?...Follow along..

So I am about to snap the football and I see my opponent is attempting to blitz a LB...I could:
1. Call a hot route for my RB/FB/HB to stay in and block

or
2. Motion a TE to the blitzing side of the LB and change his passing rounte to Blocking

or
3. I will just switch the play to a rushing play
or
4. I would attempt to use QB evade if the LB got to me...
or
5. I will shorten my WR's route ...

ETC...You are not an intelligent baller if you cant figure out these simple things...And dont lie about the A.I getting confused...Mediocre online ballers making up dum.b rules to protect their mediocrity is not right.

First of all. I'll destroy you now that we got that out of the way. Second of all everything you've said is all a justification. You know for a fact manual blitzing will get you a quick skilless sack so you continue to do it and when people complain about it you say its there skill thats the problem,its there fault that the o line in this game can't protect a danm against manually controlled D lineman or blitzing linebackers are you kidding me?

[Flips House]

If you head towards the qb with a fully charged guy the o line can't block him and you can get almost a sack a down. Thats why if i blitz I let the computer blitz and I cover. But I guess it takes skill to be sim,but I can't play any other way

Umm, how new are you? Unstoppable? TE or RB Motion....Hot Route to Block...problem solved.

Unlike in real football, if you see someone running up, building up speed, obviously going to blitz....the correct choice is just to ignore that. They're too respectful of the game to just run in untouched and take you out.....and if they actually tried something crazy like that, well...well...well....they're nothing but manual blitzing coots.

Learn the game just a little bit before you start spouting stupidity.

[IMDVS2]

Ok, I don't know about what every one else is saying, but all I am saying is this:

IF and ONLY IF it TRICKS THE AI every single time then you are CHEATING if you use it.

I mean, NOTHING works 100% of time in real football. In fact, nothing works even remotely CLOSE to that percentage.
Got it. I wouldn't blitz every down anyway, unless there was reason to. Like I said before, even if the Oline gets fooled 100% of the time, there are still ways to counter a manual blitz. Just like there are ways to defend a corner lob. the corner lob is a timing pattern, where if the timing is dead on, it's difficult to defend. However, I find it easier to defend this pass in 'sim' football than real football. If it works in real life the majority of the time, than it should work in a video game without it being considered 'cheese'.

That's my take on it. However, this is a reason I don't play much on-line. I don't cheese. But I use strategies that are difficult to defend in real life, so they should be hard to defend in a game, if it is realistic. That's why I play with like minded players. If you guys want to follow these rules than that's fine. But those rules don't make the game 'sim'. If it can be done in a real game, than you should be allowed to do it in a 'sim' game.

After all, a game is supposed to be fun.

Cheese is in the eye of the beholder. What one may consider Cheese, another may consider it 'sim'.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Umm, how new are you? Unstoppable? TE or RB Motion....Hot Route to Block...problem solved.

Unlike in real football, if you see someone running up, building up speed, obviously going to blitz....the correct choice is just to ignore that. They're too respectful of the game to just run in untouched and take you out.....and if they actually tried something crazy like that, well...well...well....they're nothing but manual blitzing coots.

Learn the game just a little bit before you start spouting stupidity.

Learn the game??? Im probably 10x better then you and I should learn the game. Don't let the complaining fool you. I've played more cheeser than I care to remember and I've whopped on most of them. Heck I probably whooped your ... and just forgot I did.

[Flips House]

We all know the real skill involved in this game is controlling the safety....guarding a computer controlled player running pre-scripted routes. Well, not really guarding them, cuz that would probably be too tough, but rather having a CPU CB guard the CPU WR, then just kinda playing loose zone, and making plays on the ball when it's passed. We all know that's the only real test of skill, duh.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Im giving up my crusade. There is no point in trying to inform the sheep. Runandshoot tried to inform you guys aswell and all you did was birate him for it. Now I know how it feels. Okay sheep do what you will manuel blitz, scramble around, run the same play all game do what you will it won't help you against the good players anyway.

[IMDVS2]

Im giving up my crusade. There is no point in trying to inform the sheep. Runandshoot tried to inform you guys aswell and all you did was birate him for it. Now I know how it feels. Okay sheep do what you will manuel blitz, scramble around, run the same play all game do what you will it won't help you against the good players anyway.
Appearently these things work against you, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to make up 'sim' rules. There are ways to defend everything, even in a video game. You just seem to lack the patience to learn them, you play a certain way and if someone beats you because they did something you couldn't defend against, you assume they cheated.

Take time out and go into practice mode and see if you can figure out how to defend against what they did. Look at it from both sides of the football. Try different scenarios, use audibles, motion, whatever. There is a defense for everything. Just take the time to find it. We just told you how to defend a blitzing LB or DL. Or just point fingers and call people names. You have obviously never played a down of organized football, otherwise you would understand the basics of playcalling.

Go ahead and go back to your 'sim' *cough* football. Make up your rules, that's fine. We'll just call you the No Fun League. It is all about the fun!:dance:

[BigDRunnin]

if you want to see how bad the safeties are already just look at the gameplay clip labled "driving in the score". On the first play...just tell me what that safety is doing...looks like the same old bull****** to me.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/881/881587/vids_2.html

[thePLAGUE]

if you want to see how bad the safeties are already just look at the gameplay clip labled "driving in the score". On the first play...just tell me what that safety is doing...looks like the same old bull****** to me.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/881/881587/vids_2.html


I will chalk that up to marging of error or maybe the game is on easy or the safety was a scrub...It actually happens in real life when a safety does a bonehead move like that...I think the guy on defence should have changed to control the safety once the ball was in the air...Unilike madden you can actually make a deference when you control the players...If the CPU did everything it was supposed to do then the game will always be scoreless...YOU, the defensive operator have to take charge of the players...thats why you have the controllers

[alliance4g63]

Umm, how new are you? Unstoppable? TE or RB Motion....Hot Route to Block...problem solved.



WRONG!!!
Again,I'm just thinking that some of you have not played a good cheeser in your lives. Manual blitzing will sack the qb 100% of the time if used correctly. You want to know how to get around the Te or Rb block? Don't do anything. Just charge and run at the Qb..The Te or Rb will not put a hand on you. You just run right by them.

Bottom line. If your play works with a stupid success rate,it is exploitation of the game. I have money plays I can use that work atleast 90% of the time. How would you feel if I just used no huddle and called that same play all the way down the field. And guess what,there is no counter. The only time it doesn't work is when the A.I decides that my guy is not going to catch the pass.

Again,keep the cheeseball where it belongs,in the lobby for skilless fools.. Step that game up and then holla at us.

[alliance4g63]

Appearently these things work against you, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to make up 'sim' rules. There are ways to defend everything, even in a video game. You just seem to lack the patience to learn them, you play a certain way and if someone beats you because they did something you couldn't defend against, you assume they cheated.

Take time out and go into practice mode and see if you can figure out how to defend against what they did. Look at it from both sides of the football. Try different scenarios, use audibles, motion, whatever. There is a defense for everything. Just take the time to find it. We just told you how to defend a blitzing LB or DL. Or just point fingers and call people names. You have obviously never played a down of organized football, otherwise you would understand the basics of playcalling.

Go ahead and go back to your 'sim' *cough* football. Make up your rules, that's fine. We'll just call you the No Fun League. It is all about the fun!:dance:

How do u defend the no huddle,five wide with a scambling Qb? Answer just that one question,mr almighty.

[IMDVS2]

How do u defend the no huddle,five wide with a scambling Qb? Answer just that one question,mr almighty.
Well, Mr Sim. That would depend on a lot of different things. But you would know that, I would hope. What Quarter? What the score is? Down/yds 2 go?, Who are the five wide? Who are my DBs, LBs, DLmen? Who is the QB? Home or away? Wind velocity and direction? There are a lot of different scenarios possible. It also depends on who I'm playing. Is this an actual football game in real life or is it just a video game? There is no black and white answer. It is called instinct. If you have it, you may be able to stop it. Why don't you try it out on practice mode and see if you can figure it out? There is a solution, I will guarantee you.

[alliance4g63]

Well, Mr Sim. That would depend on a lot of different things. But you would know that, I would hope. What Quarter? What the score is? Down/yds 2 go?, Who are the five wide? Who are my DBs, LBs, DLmen? Who is the QB? Home or away? Wind velocity and direction? There are a lot of different scenarios possible. It also depends on who I'm playing. Is this an actual football game in real life or is it just a video game? There is no black and white answer. It is called instinct. If you have it, you may be able to stop it. Why don't you try it out on practice mode and see if you can figure it out? There is a solution, I will guarantee you.

Yep,avoid the question..That is what I figured.

[redbull75]

Yep,avoid the question..That is what I figured.
How would he know he doesn't have the game. I agree with him though, I'm sure there's a way, but just like with every unique situation you'd have to get some looks at it and try a couple different approaches.....My thing is that while there may be a way to stop it, do I want to play someone who does it every play? No, that game probably wouldn't be too fun.
I'm looking forward to playing everyone here, because I don't think the real cheesers are on this forum. I know there are those here who think any kind of QB scramble is cheese, lol, but I'm talking the MAJOR CHEESEBALLS. They're the reason behind the "SIM RULES", they're the people that exploit a glitch again and again and games with them don't even resemble a real football game. All we can do when we encounter them is label them for everyone else so they know what they're getting into.
As long as you mix it up with me, run more than three plays, don't exploit glitches every play, then I'll be happy to play you.
Come on, we all know what cheating is. Don't cheat and I'd be happy to play you.

[Mentalluv999]

How would he know he doesn't have the game. I agree with him though, I'm sure there's a way, but just like with every unique situation you'd have to get some looks at it and try a couple different approaches.....My thing is that while there may be a way to stop it, do I want to play someone who does it every play? No, that game probably wouldn't be too fun.
I'm looking forward to playing everyone here, because I don't think the real cheesers are on this forum. I know there are those here who think any kind of QB scramble is cheese, lol, but I'm talking the MAJOR CHEESEBALLS. They're the reason behind the "SIM RULES", they're the people that exploit a glitch again and again and games with them don't even resemble a real football game. All we can do when we encounter them is label them for everyone else so they know what they're getting into.
As long as you mix it up with me, run more than three plays, don't exploit glitches every play, then I'll be happy to play you.
Come on, we all know what cheating is. Don't cheat and I'd be happy to play you.


Post of the Year ;) My thoughts exactly.

[redbull75]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[xxOaklandNETSxx]

i guarntee there will be cheesers, but that all that means is dont hang out in the lobby and expect "sim" ball, then once u play a cheesers u come back to the forums to complain about how big of a cheeser some one is, me i rarely play lobby games i will prolly play only in sim leagues, so wont have any problems

[Dirymac73]

If you control a player who is SUPPOSED to blitz according to the play design, that is NOT cheese. If you blitz a player who is NOT supposed to blitz according to the play design, that IS cheese, if it tricks the AI, that is.

IMHO.

But how could anyone tell?


I am sorry but that is pretty stupid. Play design? You can audible out of any play you like- set hot routes and hot blitzes etc. 9 times out of 10 your line should pick up the blitz, or you audible out of that play - that IS football.

Cheesing is finding a play that works all the time and constently using it. Don't get me wrong I don't like players who blitz all the time, but what you do is, if you see them taking the linebacker to blitz, move your tightend to that side and hot route a streak play. Snap the ball take 2 steps and fire even 1 step - easy 1st down.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

i guarntee there will be cheesers, but that all that means is dont hang out in the lobby and expect "sim" ball, then once u play a cheesers u come back to the forums to complain about how big of a cheeser some one is, me i rarely play lobby games i will prolly play only in sim leagues, so wont have any problems

Dont worry, I have a list which is going to be updated daily. It is three years of my time wasted playing garbage online for you guys will not have to. :)

[Legendoflegends]

"the 2K team was asked what were they the proudest of, they didnt state the legends, nor the graphics, they stated they were proudest of their new AI. He also stated that simply it was smart!!! The DB's dont do dumb things, and the linemen make the blocks their suppose to. Thats saying alot, that alone convinced me to prepay for this title."

This statement is what makes you dumb.....Do u think they are going to actually say, 'oh year, we have problems with the A.I."....Grow up kid and stop falling for the marketing schemes.......Every game, every producer is going to talk highly of their games b4 it's released..If I sold u a car and told u it runs flawlessly, are u going to be stupid enough to pay me cash b4 u test drive? Since you're so gullible, you come here kid...I got a 88' Cadillac I'll like to sell u...

[SD21]

Because I said its ok to control my LBS and blitz them manually...According to XXrunandshootXX and his wanabee entorage of sissy ballers, its is not sim to control anyone other than the safety...

I agree with plague. This is a video game, he should be able to control whatever position he wants. This is not "cheesing". What's worse than a cheeser? Someone who thinks they are the final word on setting rules for how everyone else can play their own game. You people who complain about others are the worst. I can understand if someone is actually exploiting an actual glitch, but jesus christ, give it a rest, you guys make playing online suck with your constant whining about how others play.

[SD21]

Started posting here? I've been posting before you have.I have been using different names,and once again I don't care if others care for my opinion or care for my criticism's im still going to give them. So its basically a moot point.

I agree, your opinions are a moot point.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

spoken like a true cheeser. Look We make the rules because we want a Football Experience online not a CheeseFest. That is why their are different types of gamers SIM AND NO SIM. Simple as that. Like I said though I just hope there is a good rating system in 2K8 to weed out cheesers like the Plague and you. I dont want a arcade glitchfest, I want Football.

[soleshark]

spoken like a true cheeser. Look We make the rules because we want a Football Experience online not a CheeseFest. That is why their are different types of gamers SIM AND NO SIM. Simple as that. Like I said though I just hope there is a good rating system in 2K8 to weed out cheesers like the Plague and you. I dont want a arcade glitchfest, I want Football.
manually controlling a players isnt cheese~ letting the cpu do all your work for you
is cheese~ someone throw to a reciever cross the middle or down the field
i take position of my cb or lb to make the play myself not let the cpu do it!!
same with throwing to te, wr, or rb!!!

[rayrayjay]

Yes, ideally what you look for is a game where the cheesing is kept to a minimum. But you can never eliminate it. I do however believe 2k will set a NEW STANDARD. In lack of cheese.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

manually controlling a players isnt cheese~ letting the cpu do all your work for you
is cheese~ someone throw to a reciever cross the middle or down the field
i take position of my cb or lb to make the play myself not let the cpu do it!!
same with throwing to te, wr, or rb!!! Yes in other words you are letting the AI do all the coverage. You start the play as a DLineman so your whole gameplan is rush the QB manually and if he gets the ball off you try to switch to make a play LMAO!!!! you dont read the offense at all. You are just an AI addict and NO SIM.

[soleshark]

sorry i didnt mean to quote you xlrunandshootxl

[BIGSTEELMAN07]

Yes, ideally what you look for is a game where the cheesing is kept to a minimum. But you can never eliminate it. I do however believe 2k will set a NEW STANDARD. In lack of cheese.
I totally agree with you, 2k is raising the bar again on this one.

[SD21]

spoken like a true cheeser. Look We make the rules because we want a Football Experience online not a CheeseFest. That is why their are different types of gamers SIM AND NO SIM. Simple as that. Like I said though I just hope there is a good rating system in 2K8 to weed out cheesers like the Plague and you. I dont want a arcade glitchfest, I want Football.

HA! You haven't even played me and you are talking **** about how I play. That makes alot of sense. I think it was the plague that said it best when he said these rules are made up by mediocre players trying to protect their mediocrity. On top of that, this supposed "nanoblitzing" or whatever, you don't even know if that will be a problem in APF 2K8. You losers talk all this sim BS and play the furthest from it. You are not playing "sim ball" you are playing "custom ball". Get over it.

Oh, and by the way, I control the safety not the LB's smart ***. But just because I play that way doesn't mean I expect every one else to.

[xlRunandSh00tlx]

sorry i didnt mean to quote you xlrunandshootxl

My apology then.

[jddcp]

Yes in other words you are letting the AI do all the coverage. You start the play as a DLineman so your whole gameplan is rush the QB manually and if he gets the ball off you try to switch to make a play LMAO!!!! you dont read the offense at all. You are just an AI addict and NO SIM.


Ok, let's assume the Oline in 2k8 actually works and you have to actually use your DEs tools (swim move, club, ect) to get to the QB. Is it then "sim" to use a DE to try to get a sack or are Dlinemen no skill players in real life. I think one Reggie White would have something to say about that. Everyone doesn't want to be Deion Sanders, some people like to fight it out in the trenches.

I really hope all of 2k5s problems are fixed so we can truly play the game like real football instead of having all of these rules to make up for thing the developers were too lazy or shortsighted to fix.

[soleshark]

everyone plays different, you have 2 control one of the players on the defense!
i dont understand where some of you are coming from!!
if someone throws to a wr i take control of my cb to make the pick or bat the ball
down~ no dirfferent if a rb's running to the outside and you switch to a lb or cb
to make a manual tackle!!! is something wrong with that?

[SD21]

everyone plays different, you have 2 control one of the players on the defense!
i dont understand where some of you are coming from!!
if someone throws to a wr i take control of my cb to make the pick or bat the ball
down~ no dirfferent if a rb's running to the outside and you switch to a lb or cb
to make a manual tackle!!! is something wrong with that?

No, there is nothing wrong with that. Don't listen to the mediocre players that need "special" rules to allow them to compete.

[baandje]

Don't listen to the mediocre players that need "special" rules to allow them to compete.
The only rule I ask is that when I'm running the ball, people not try and tackle me. That's not mediocre. It's just I can't stand not winning.

[thePLAGUE]

ALIANCE asks how do you stop a 5 wide hurryup offense?


Audible or call a timeout...Game after game I play people who start games setting their defensive and offensive audibles...Listen rookie, in your audible book you supposed to have a play to stop any basic p.*** play, a goaline/short yardage play, a Zone and a man coverage play...this should be in your audible set before every game...You can also put in a prevent or something from the Bear formation

Like I keep saying, if you want these sim rules to apply why dont you just sit at home and play the computer?...People who play your leagues and follow your rules are artificially intelligent...

[Flips House]

When hurry up is crushing someone....that means they're in completely the wrong package, and a good player is exploiting mismatches. That's what happens when defenses become so predictable that they call their play before they see what set the offense is coming out with. The defense sets up in a Bear, while the offense has 5 wide out....and then the defense gets upset when the offense realizes this and continues to exploit it. Too bad, it's the defense's fault for not playing smart.....try to audible, but if you still can't match up, you're either at the offense's mercy, or you can call a timeout.

Don't blame to offense for being smart and taking advantage of your mistake.

[Akuma2000]

Fixing the AI and the blocking schemes is something every SIM player should be very happy about. I know I am.

Same here.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Danm most of you guys are going to be unsim lobby thrash but hey at least I know it before I play you now I can avoid most of you.

[Flips House]

Here's the real question:

Since they allowed increased contact in coverage this year, what if it becomes a popular "cheese" tactic to essentially use a corner or a safety as a roadblock? Since some people are "cheesing" in coverage, would you accept sim rules that make it illegal to play ANY coverage?

Because that's what you're doing with blitzing. Just because there are ways to cheese blitz, does not make all blitzing cheese. By cutting out that whole section of play, you are limiting your game way too much....and to impose such ridiculous rules on other players is just plain ignorant.

Why do you see things this way? Because you prefer to play coverage....so you think everybody should want to do that. Don't come back at me that I'm just some D-Line pass rusher that doesn't understand football. You like to play safety....I like to play linebacker. Usually about 75% MLB (the anchor), and the other 25% OLB or safety. Now, when I play LB, you don't think blitzing should be part of my repertoire? So pre-snap, the offense can look and see where the pressure is definitely NOT coming from??? Even when I play safety....one of my favorite tactics is to blitz him at least once, then take control of him the next play, fake blitz, and fall into coverage. Is that wrong?

Your arguement about playing against the AI is way wrong. Those WR's you think you're covering....umm, they're AI players. In that situation, the only non-AI player is the QB....so, going by your logic, the only sim players are the ones going after the QB - blitzing is the only way to go gamer vs. gamer. That's ridiculous, and that's not even close to what I'm trying to say.....but it's your arguement, and I really don't think that's what you mean.

Your anger is misplaced. You hate the people who don't play the game at all, and do nothing but run toward the QB every play. I hate those people, too. But, by completely taking manual blitzing out of the game....you're limiting the game drastically. Not everyone enjoys playing as you do....and I don't mean fair / unfair....I mean as exclusively safety. I like to play LB, and I won't limit my game because you do. If you believe blitzing is cheese, fine....you're entitled to your opinion. Oddly enough, though, being your opinion doesn't automatically qualify it as right. In this case, you're wrong....and all the name calling just makes you look defensive and dumb.

[ScottyP]

Nope. You are obviously wrong because you disagree. The ONLY way to play is with the secondary and if you even so much as think about touching the dline or blitzing a LB you are obviously lobby trash, cheese, and scum. You have no idea how real football is played, so to help you out please conform to someone elses sim rules or you will be placed on an arbitray list on their website and labeled as non-sim. Please don't question the rules, just abide by them and you will be exponentially happy with your game.

/sarcasm

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Nope. You are obviously wrong because you disagree. The ONLY way to play is with the secondary and if you even so much as think about touching the dline or blitzing a LB you are obviously lobby trash, cheese, and scum. You have no idea how real football is played, so to help you out please conform to someone elses sim rules or you will be placed on an arbitray list on their website and labeled as non-sim. Please don't question the rules, just abide by them and you will be exponentially happy with your game.



Fixed you inadvertly wrote sarcasm at the end of this post.

[Flips House]

Here's the real question:

Since they allowed increased contact in coverage this year, what if it becomes a popular "cheese" tactic to essentially use a corner or a safety as a roadblock? Since some people are "cheesing" in coverage, would you accept sim rules that make it illegal to play ANY coverage?

[Flips House]

That's what I thought....

you were the one who brought this up....
made a topic for it and went through all the work....
but then when someone actually challenges your misguided opinion, you think funny (in your own little mind) comments will get you a pass.

Silly kid

[ImBACKK,killah5]

That's what I thought....

you were the one who brought this up....
made a topic for it and went through all the work....
but then when someone actually challenges your misguided opinion, you think funny (in your own little mind) comments will get you a pass.

Silly kid

Huh what Im just ignoring you thats all. This is post im making now is just a relapse respone from me ignoring you. Any way im going back to ignoring you once again.

[ninetyfourniner$]

I am sorry but that is pretty stupid. Play design? You can audible out of any play you like- set hot routes and hot blitzes etc. 9 times out of 10 your line should pick up the blitz, or you audible out of that play - that IS football.

Cheesing is finding a play that works all the time and constently using it. Don't get me wrong I don't like players who blitz all the time, but what you do is, if you see them taking the linebacker to blitz, move your tightend to that side and hot route a streak play. Snap the ball take 2 steps and fire even 1 step - easy 1st down.


Ok Assjester, did you read ANY of my other posts, or even COMPREHEND the one you responded to? I was talking about it IF AND ONLY IF it TRICKS THE AI EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I SPECIFICALLY said I was ok with it SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T TRICK THE AI.

If you're depending on tricking the AI to win you are a cheeser and cannot call the right plays to win the game. You have to CHEAT if you depend on AI glitches.


Here's what I said in the post you are responding to...

If you control a player who is SUPPOSED to blitz according to the play design, that is NOT cheese. If you blitz a player who is NOT supposed to blitz according to the play design, that IS cheese, if it tricks the AI, that is.

Might want to read more than one post, or make sure you read the WHOLE post next time... just sayin'...

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[alliance4g63]

ALIANCE asks how do you stop a 5 wide hurryup offense?


Audible or call a timeout...Game after game I play people who start games setting their defensive and offensive audibles...Listen rookie, in your audible book you supposed to have a play to stop any basic p.*** play, a goaline/short yardage play, a Zone and a man coverage play...this should be in your audible set before every game...You can also put in a prevent or something from the Bear formation

Like I keep saying, if you want these sim rules to apply why dont you just sit at home and play the computer?...People who play your leagues and follow your rules are artificially intelligent...

Wow just wow. Again I can always tell when someone hasn't played anyone good at cheesing online.

Ok "ROOKIE" let me tell you why it can't be stopped. Playcalling is not going to soley help you,gameplay is. The only way to CONTAIN it from that formation is to have clever blitzes and be a great manual tackler...THAT IS IT. You can have every defensive audible from your playbook but you are only one person and a good scrambler will just run to the opposite side are just run right at you,to test your tacking skills.

Damn,are all you rookies coming from the ps2? Again I have played the best SIM people to step on this game from the XBOX side. And there is absolutely NO DEBATE! We don't even need these damn rules because we know what is cheap. Someone beats me by playcalling and execution,not because they are better at exploiting glitches. Leave that shiz for the Madden Challenge.

You fools are going to get a rude awakening come July 17th.

[thePLAGUE]

^^^I thought you said it was impossible to stop it...lol...I can stop it without any problem my friend...You are the one whining about it because u have obviously been terrorized by scramblers...Unlike you, I welcome all play styles even if its annoying because you even in defeat you learn a new skill...Were you on 2k3?...I doubt it because that is when I got my Schooling...You rookies pick up 2k5 because its 20 bucks and you want to change the game...

[ninetyfourniner$]

^^^I thought you said it was impossible to stop it...lol...I can stop it without any problem my friend...You are the one whining about it because u have obviously been terrorized by scramblers...Unlike you, I welcome all play styles even if its annoying because you even in defeat you learn a new skill...Were you on 2k3?...I doubt it because that is when I got my Schooling...You rookies pick up 2k5 because its 20 bucks and you want to change the game...


But if we're talking about GLITCHING, then it no longer is a FOOTBALL video game contest-it is a WHO IS THE BEST GLITCHER video game contest. I mean, it just doesn't feel like football when you're glitching... and hey, maybe some people want a GLITCH game instead of a FOOTBALL game... I just have to disagree with them... and most who want a FOOTBALL game will as well...

[alliance4g63]

^^^I thought you said it was impossible to stop it...lol...I can stop it without any problem my friend...You are the one whining about it because u have obviously been terrorized by scramblers...Unlike you, I welcome all play styles even if its annoying because you even in defeat you learn a new skill...Were you on 2k3?...I doubt it because that is when I got my Schooling...You rookies pick up 2k5 because its 20 bucks and you want to change the game...

It is impossible to stop.. When did I say it wasn't..I said that you can only contain it.
Hey I welcome all gameplay as well. I don't give a damn if you play the game cheap. I just drink a beer and play the next person. But I will give my opinions on why sim players play a certain way.

Like I said I have played some of the best people on this game and those felt like real football games. I used to run with the qb and shiz and used to use motion corner routes on Madden. But that was because I had just come from Madden,2k is a whole new ball game.

So fine beat me by manually blitzing,d line glitching and taking off with the Qb. Ok,I'm cool with that. But don't be a p.u.s.s.y and drop the game when your A.I exploits don't work.

[Flips House]

It finally occurred to me where these guys got the crazy idea of manual blitzing being cheese. In order to set up some of the unstoppable "nano-style" blitz packages, the defense had to "manual blitz"....which isn't what these guys are thinking. That meant, that you have to essentially hotroute a defender to blitz. In some old sim league rules, they included "no manual blitzing" meaning, you couldn't hot route a defender to blitz, to set up killer pressure. That however, isn't possible to even tell if someone's doing it or not (unless they're doing it right).

Point is, these guys think they're standing on some longstanding sim-style laws. Funny part is they want to tell other people how to play, but don't even understand the game well enough to know what the words mean in their sim rules.

Killah, where's your verbal batch-slapping skills....or does that only consist of "manual blitzing coot"?