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bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 07:55 AM
http://www.pastapadre.com/1130/the-oj-simpson-topic-surfaces-yet-again

I know many people don't like the guys website because he is a EA fanboy but brings up interesting point.

bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 08:07 AM
Did anyone else read the article or since who's website it was they decided not to.

Drunknfury xbgl
July 18th, 2007, 08:14 AM
Who cares?!?!?! Was he sentence to prison? Was he convicted? No. I think he did it, but the fact is, we dont know. Why is it wrong to put him in the game? Hes one of the best RB of all time.

Pasta padre needs to suck a ****

slammerxt
July 18th, 2007, 08:17 AM
I think Ill put him in atleast half my teams just for that reason.

Bakes
July 18th, 2007, 08:20 AM
Well i don't feel like clicking on that link..but im assuming were talking about O.J.

All im gonna say is i played his team in my season mode yesterday and he ran all over me..he was a straight-up beast ..and i could'nt even be mad at it..even though he killed it he wasn't wearing black gloves so it's ok

Vaytch
July 18th, 2007, 08:21 AM
Wow talk about looking for controversy...

I bet OJ was the one asking to be in that team and to do the slash, he's a funny guy, at least he was in the Na.ked Gun series ! :P

kcxiv
July 18th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Everything was over once i seen this is gametrailers own doing.

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 08:37 AM
You do not put him in the game out of respect for the victims Family. This is a Guy who wrote a Book stating "If he had done the murders this is How he would have done it". No reason to have someone like that in the game.

bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Im not personally mad that they put him in the game. However, if they did give him the touchdown celebration of the "slash throat" then that is wrong. It would seem like 2k had alterior motives for putting him in the game. But, I can not confirm that is one of his celebrations because I have not played with or against him personally.

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 08:46 AM
Should they take Vick off of Madden? What about Ray Lewis....he was accused of covering up a murder? Should Kobe have been excluded from NBA2k? when he was going through his Colorado thing? I could go on and on....

bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 08:52 AM
No. But the shouldn't make Vick get down on all fours and bark like a dog after a TD. Shouldn't make Ray Lewis do a "throat slash" or "gunshot" after a good play. And shouldn't make Kobe do a "pelvic thrust" after a basket. So no they shouldn't leave the players off the the game. However they should make they do certain moves that cause contraversy.

ScottyP
July 18th, 2007, 08:55 AM
I'm using OJ as my back and he is an animal.

I don't agree with what all went down surrounding the murder case, but the guy IS a football legend and deserves to be in the game. I haven't seen a throat slashing motion yet. Perhaps you could assign that animation to him, but I don't really see the point in doing it other than ****ing people off.

ZRob72
July 18th, 2007, 09:05 AM
Once again, people in this country need to settle down and not let a computer animated character get them all bothered if you don't like OJ don't buy the game. That's why we have a choice.

I like the game and if Tipper Gore or whoever gets all mad about it so be it. I will still play the game. If anything Gametrailers should be in the cross hairs for putting him on the Assasins team. The throat slash move is probably available for every player. Last night one of my guys did the CPR on the ball celebration that Chad Johnson did either last year or the year before.

BPsHermitCrabs
July 18th, 2007, 09:28 AM
I think the controversy is outstanding... the more attention to the game... the better! We saw how this worked for GTA.... Although they could get into some trouble with the ESRB?

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 09:39 AM
Should they take Vick off of Madden? What about Ray Lewis....he was accused of covering up a murder? Should Kobe have been excluded from NBA2k? when he was going through his Colorado thing? I could go on and on....


Please Link to one Book those athletes wrote about their ordeal, stating if they had committed the crime this is how they would have done it...oh that is right only OJ did that.

Use some common sense...I could go on, and on, and on......

slammerxt
July 18th, 2007, 09:39 AM
I think Ill make sure the slash is one of my pre-selected celebrations.

City Boy
July 18th, 2007, 09:42 AM
OJ was found innocent. Who gives a *$&%. Unless you're related to Nicole Simpson or Ron Goldman get over it already. People die everyday.

chuckofessoill
July 18th, 2007, 09:46 AM
Not to mention that that is a celebration that is automatic and not pickable in the celebration management. I played the assassins and OJ is not on their roster but when they scored they did the throat slash. Someone seeing this pick OJ and scored. By not selecting a celebration it went to the default. I use OJ and he does his thing. Let them start controversy. Some people will buy the game just for that reason.

MuzikManB
July 18th, 2007, 09:46 AM
Should they take Vick off of Madden? What about Ray Lewis....he was accused of covering up a murder? Should Kobe have been excluded from NBA2k? when he was going through his Colorado thing? I could go on and on....

I agree lets get rid of the people in the other games...some people just need to shut up...if you don't like it don't play it...period

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 09:46 AM
OJ was found innocent. Who gives a *$&%. Unless you're related to Nicole Simpson or Ron Goldman get over it already. People die everyday.

Please Link to where the Jury found him INNOCENT of the crime.

City Boy
July 18th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Please Link to where the Jury found him INNOCENT of the crime.
Innocent, Not Guilty, whatever. He's walking around playing golf. Who cares. How does he affect your life in anyway?

sportsgeist
July 18th, 2007, 10:04 AM
Who cares?!?!?! Was he sentence to prison? Was he convicted? No. I think he did it, but the fact is, we dont know. Why is it wrong to put him in the game? Hes one of the best RB of all time.

Pasta padre needs to suck a ****

Thank You. O.J. was found not guilty in the murder trial. That means he didn't do it. People of lighter skin have been getting away with murder for hundreds of years but they're all up in arms when one black man does it. The civil suit doesn't count. We call that civil suit the "THE NEW "N" RULE". They couldn't get him in the murder trial so they got him on the civil trial. Thats what you call being a hater.

sportsgeist
July 18th, 2007, 10:07 AM
Please Link to where the Jury found him INNOCENT of the crime.

If he was found guilty he would be in prison right now you morron. The civil trial doesn't even count. That was just pay back because he wasn't found guilty in the murder trial.

Stiler
July 18th, 2007, 10:14 AM
Thank You. O.J. was found not guilty in the murder trial. That means he didn't do it. People of lighter skin have been getting away with murder for hundreds of years but they're all up in arms when one black man does it. The civil suit doesn't count. We call that civil suit the "THE NEW "N" RULE". They couldn't get him in the murder trial so they got him on the civil trial. Thats what you call being a hater.

Yes, because an all black Jury found him innocent there's no possible way he could have done it and got away because of that + his lawyer.

I mean when I think of an Innocent man, I picture someone jumping in a car and speeding down the interstate leading the police on a chase....that just screams innocent there.

Then years later writing a back detailing what he would "supposedly" do if he did indeed kill them...

It had nothing to do with race, for me at least, it was his actions regardless and the details that pretty much sealed what imo should have been a murder conviction, but like others(of which many different races of people have done) he got off.

Drunknfury xbgl
July 18th, 2007, 10:16 AM
Yes, because an all black Jury found him innocent there's no possible way he could have done it and got away because of that + his lawyer.

I mean when I think of an Innocent man, I picture someone jumping in a car and speeding down the interstate leading the police on a chase....that just screams innocent there.

Then years later writing a back detailing what he would "supposedly" do if he did indeed kill them...

LMAO! This really cracked me up. Call me a sarcastic SOB, if ya will.

billbixpy
July 18th, 2007, 10:17 AM
Why wont people just let this man live his life? For a country full of people and institutions who stress "innocent until proven guilty" it sure is full of hypocrites that wont let him live. So just because middle america THINKS he did it the rest of us are just supposed to forget about the actual positives in his life? Aren't we supposed to forgive people of their past sins? Is he supposed to just not make money and die because of how people feel about him? It would be stupid to not sign him, if it was possible, because of his entire football career. Him being in the game has nothing to do with anything besides a good football game.

Bakes
July 18th, 2007, 10:19 AM
If people spent as much time crying about OJ constructivly trying to fix the judicial system in which he was found innocent, wonderful things could happen.

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 10:33 AM
Innocent people go to jail everyday (sorry it does happen) and guilty people get off. The system isn't perfect, get over it.

By the way....civil trial standard is MUCH less than criminal.

Criminal is beyond a reasonable doubt....almost 100% sure of guilt.

Civil is preponderance of evidence.....which is "more likely than not"...basically 51% or more. You are not found guilty in civil court, you are found liable.

So no, he was never found guilty of anything. He was found liable by a civil court.

Also, if you want to discount the jury that acquitted him because they were mostly black, then you also have to discount the jury that found him liable since they were mostly white.

eldogg
July 18th, 2007, 10:35 AM
as a black man i know o.j. is guilty, but white folks are mad cause he got off. don't worry though they got their get back by letting beretta off.

the decider13
July 18th, 2007, 10:39 AM
Thank You. O.J. was found not guilty in the murder trial. That means he didn't do it. People of lighter skin have been getting away with murder for hundreds of years but they're all up in arms when one black man does it. The civil suit doesn't count. We call that civil suit the "THE NEW "N" RULE". They couldn't get him in the murder trial so they got him on the civil trial. Thats what you call being a hater.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. If that is what you truley believe, then I feel sorry for you.

metallicatz
July 18th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Pastapadre is a complete idiot. He banned me from Madden Nation a couple years ago because I was handing him his ***** in a debate about NFL2K5 vs. Madden 06. He couldn't handle it so he banned me. And I was perfectly respectful and cordial the entire discussion. Pay no attention to that loser.

ZRob72
July 18th, 2007, 10:47 AM
as a black man i know o.j. is guilty, but white folks are mad cause he got off. don't worry though they got their get back by letting beretta off.

Oh yeah, Berretta did it.

That Dave Chapelle jury skit was great. "If OJ would have beat my sister up, we'd have all beaten OJ's *****"

So Mr Chapelle, would you let your kids stay at Michael Jackson's house? F*%$ no!

Tha POElice
July 18th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Should they take Vick off of Madden? What about Ray Lewis....he was accused of covering up a murder? Should Kobe have been excluded from NBA2k? when he was going through his Colorado thing? I could go on and on....

Excellent point my friend

EXCELLENT POINT!

metallicatz
July 18th, 2007, 10:49 AM
Oh, and OJ most certainly did it. Anybody who says otherwise has obviously not studied the evidence of the case. I've also read OJ's book "If I did it" that was leaked a couple weeks ago. It's a full on confession. I'll take anybody to school all day long with regard to the Simpson case. There's a perfectly good reason why he was found "not guilty".......DA incompetence. There's also a very good reason he was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.......the physical evidence of the case.

Having said that, since he was not convicted of the crime this shouldn't be an issue. Nobody has to like it, but just let it go.

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 10:50 AM
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. If that is what you truley believe, then I feel sorry for you.


Actually, what he said is factually correct. (other than the New "N" rule part which is his opinion)

"Thank You. O.J. was found not guilty in the murder trial. That means he didn't do it. People of lighter skin have been getting away with murder for hundreds of years but they're all up in arms when one black man does it. The civil suit doesn't count. We call that civil suit the "THE NEW "N" RULE". They couldn't get him in the murder trial so they got him on the civil trial. Thats what you call being a hater."

OJ was not found guilt in the murder trial. The Klan and other hate groups have gotten away with murdering black people for decades. The civil suit doesn't count as far as guilt or innocence in a court of law. Again, he was found liable and had to pay money. People tend to go to Civil Court after they lose in criminal to get $$$. That's what happend in the Kobe case too after criminal charges were dropped. Civil court and Criminal Court are completely different.

Drunknfury xbgl
July 18th, 2007, 10:55 AM
Oh, and OJ most certainly did it. Anybody who says otherwise has obviously not studied the evidence of the case. I've also read OJ's book "If I did it" that was leaked a couple weeks ago. It's a full on confession. I'll take anybody to school all day long with regard to the Simpson case. There's a perfectly good reason why he was found "not guilty".......DA incompetence. There's also a very good reason he was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.......the physical evidence of the case.

Having said that, since he was not convicted of the crime this shouldn't be an issue. Nobody has to like it, but just let it go.

Thats what i am saying. I think he did do it.

Guess what, he was found innocent of the charges. So would there be controversy if he didnt make the game?

Give it a rest. Im one of the biggest OJ haters there are, but off the field he was a heck of a good RB. He also makes a darn good spinach dip

Drunknfury xbgl
July 18th, 2007, 10:57 AM
Actually, what he said is factually correct. (other than the New "N" rule part which is his opinion)

"Thank You. O.J. was found not guilty in the murder trial. That means he didn't do it. People of lighter skin have been getting away with murder for hundreds of years but they're all up in arms when one black man does it. The civil suit doesn't count. We call that civil suit the "THE NEW "N" RULE". They couldn't get him in the murder trial so they got him on the civil trial. Thats what you call being a hater."

OJ was not found guilt in the murder trial. The Klan and other hate groups have gotten away with murdering black people for decades. The civil suit doesn't count as far as guilt or innocence in a court of law. Again, he was found liable and had to pay money. People tend to go to Civil Court after they lose in criminal to get $$$. That's what happend in the Kobe case too after criminal charges were dropped. Civil court and Criminal Court are completely different.

And if you believe he should have gotten off due to race, your a flippin idiot too.

spenn2006
July 18th, 2007, 10:57 AM
Listen u morons he was found NOT GUILTY in the court of law by a mixed race jury. White folks need to get over this ****. How many KKK members got away with murdering, tarring and feathering, castrating and lynching black folks from the late 1800's up unitl 1970's.

Anyway heres the link for u OJ haters on this forum. The Brown and Goldman family are just interested in money anyway. How many of them have written books about the deaths? and OJ made the Brown family rich when he bought them a bunch of Hertz rental car businesses while he was married to her. They mooch off of him when she was alive and they're still trying to mooch off his fame and fortune now. http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/verdict/reaction/index.html

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 11:01 AM
And if you believe he should have gotten off due to race, your a flippin idiot too.


Umm....where did I say he should have gotten off due to race? He got off, as you say, because the DA didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

xblitz44x
July 18th, 2007, 11:03 AM
He's in the video game. And he deserves to be on the video game because he's a legend in the world of football.

Tha POElice
July 18th, 2007, 11:05 AM
Yes, because an all black Jury found him innocent there's no possible way he could have done it and got away because of that + his lawyer.

I mean when I think of an Innocent man, I picture someone jumping in a car and speeding down the interstate leading the police on a chase....that just screams innocent there.

Then years later writing a back detailing what he would "supposedly" do if he did indeed kill them...

It had nothing to do with race, for me at least, it was his actions regardless and the details that pretty much sealed what imo should have been a murder conviction, but like others(of which many different races of people have done) he got off.

i DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE BLCK OR WHITE......BUT....hERe'S MY OPINION of your post:

You say that it's not about race to you but for those of us who are card carrying members of the african american community know that to a certain degree it's almost always about race! When was the last time you heard anything in the media about a white athlete doing anything beside's going on a roid rage and killing his whole family and himself! I can only speak from the perspective of a black man because that's all I've ever been. It seems to me that the media and the American society as a whole views the black athlete as a threat! Just look at what they tried to do to Jordan with his gambling! Look at what the just tried to do to reggie bush and NOW Look at what they are trying to do with VICK!!! So for you to say that it's not about race means to me that you are oblivious to the fact that racism is very real in this country. Just the other day while I was doing some sidework painting for this old 85 year old white lady, I was forced to sit there and listen to her tell me how awesome it was for her great grandfather to own slaves! I have never been so ****ed off in my entire life. And I had to sit there and take that garbage because I didn't want the friend that I was doing the side work for to lose any business! Having said that, I also have to add in what the media is doing to Barry Bonds! If Mark Mcguire was chasing Hammerin Hank's record, the world would be in love with baseball! But IMO because Barry's black the have to give him all the crap in the world because somebody said he juiced.....guess what.....if he did juice he wasn't the only one doing it and I believe that Giambi is gonna tell the whole damn world that it was major league baseball's greed and not the result of player's chetaing the game!!! I know that I got a little off topic but I'm kinda tired of everybody flaming on these athlete's all the time for absolutely nothing....or maybe jealousy!!!

P.S.
You don't see me taking up for pacman jones because i think he is the biggest idiot on the face of the planet!

sonnyjames
July 18th, 2007, 11:06 AM
that article is bs......really.

the decider13
July 18th, 2007, 11:06 AM
Actually, what he said is factually correct. (other than the New "N" rule part which is his opinion)

"Thank You. O.J. was found not guilty in the murder trial. That means he didn't do it. People of lighter skin have been getting away with murder for hundreds of years but they're all up in arms when one black man does it. The civil suit doesn't count. We call that civil suit the "THE NEW "N" RULE". They couldn't get him in the murder trial so they got him on the civil trial. Thats what you call being a hater."

OJ was not found guilt in the murder trial. The Klan and other hate groups have gotten away with murdering black people for decades. The civil suit doesn't count as far as guilt or innocence in a court of law. Again, he was found liable and had to pay money. People tend to go to Civil Court after they lose in criminal to get $$$. That's what happend in the Kobe case too after criminal charges were dropped. Civil court and Criminal Court are completely different.

That is some stupid stuff. Believing that he he should get off because he is black is so dumb. If you think that because of the Klan got away with things, that OJ should have gotten away with it, is basically endorsing the Klan getting away with it.

The only reason he got away with it was because of his money. As Johnny Cochran best put it, "The color of justic is green". It had nothing to do with him being innocent.

doug1
July 18th, 2007, 11:06 AM
Hey *******s, the guy was never convicted!!!!! Why should he do life, when he was found not guilty. GET OVER IT! Luckily a good portion of gamers don't even remember the OJ trial.

KRS-One
July 18th, 2007, 11:08 AM
EA fanboy creating trouble, what else is new?

O.J. didn't do it....or maybe he did. Who cares? I have more important things to worry about.

I think it's hilarious that GameTrailers put him on the Assassins and called the video "slashing the defense."

the decider13
July 18th, 2007, 11:10 AM
MODS LOCK THIS THREAD...IT NEEDS TO LEAVE THESE BOARDS ASAP

xavip
July 18th, 2007, 11:12 AM
Oh, and OJ most certainly did it. Anybody who says otherwise has obviously not studied the evidence of the case. I've also read OJ's book "If I did it" that was leaked a couple weeks ago. It's a full on confession. I'll take anybody to school all day long with regard to the Simpson case. There's a perfectly good reason why he was found "not guilty".......DA incompetence. There's also a very good reason he was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.......the physical evidence of the case.

Having said that, since he was not convicted of the crime this shouldn't be an issue. Nobody has to like it, but just let it go.


OJ didn't write that book. The book was written and then they approached OJ about it.

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 11:19 AM
^^BS. Interview with OJ on ABC he said he helped write the Book. Get the facts, then post. Otherwise stay on the porch and play with the kids.

GoodSense
July 18th, 2007, 11:21 AM
http://www.pastapadre.com/1130/the-oj-simpson-topic-surfaces-yet-again

I know many people don't like the guys website because he is a EA fanboy but brings up interesting point.

Ok. Can we put this to rest please?

Was the man found guilty? Despite what you or I think was he found guilty in the court of law?

If you think that doesn't matter than the Duke Boys should never get money for any books, movies, guest on a talk show, etc...

The same with Ms. Stewart who has a show with no protest.

The same with Brittany and her group of girls always getting in trouble for something.


If you think those are extreme is here one to think about.

If OJ is such an issue then I would think Madden shouldn't sell ONE COPY considering all of the criminals that it promotes even though they are still pending.

I guarantee if Pacman becomes eligible again to play there will be no hesitation on putting him in the game nor will there be any controversy.

We still honor past presidents and others who raped slaves so please give it a rest.

bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Ok. Can we put this to rest please?

Was the man found guilty? Despite what you or I think was he found guilty in the court of law?

If you think that doesn't matter than the Duke Boys should never get money for any books, movies, guest on a talk show, etc...

The same with Ms. Stewart who has a show with no protest.

The same with Brittany and her group of girls always getting in trouble for something.


If you think those are extreme is here one to think about.

If OJ is such an issue then I would think Madden shouldn't sell ONE COPY considering all of the criminals that it promotes even though they are still pending.

I guarantee if Pacman becomes eligible again to play there will be no hesitation on putting him in the game nor will there be any controversy.

We still honor past presidents and others who raped slaves so please give it a rest.

Nah. Dude you miss the point. No one is really arguing wether or not he should be in the game. It is the touchdown celebration he does. The said his touchdown celebration it the "throat slash". And no not the one done by the stadium.

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 11:25 AM
Yes. OJ was found Gulty and Owes a Substantial Civil Judgement for his GUILTY Verdict.

Next,

Tha POElice
July 18th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Nah. Dude you miss the point. No one is really arguing wether or not he should be in the game. It is the touchdown celebration he does. The said his touchdown celebration it the "throat slash". And no not the one done by the stadium.


Honestly i thought it was kinda funny! But I could see how the families of those affected would have an issue with it!

Tha POElice
July 18th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Yes. OJ was found Gulty and Owes a Substantial Civil Judgement for his GUILT Verdict.

Next,

Do you not really know what's going on. He was never convicted of MURDER!

The civil suit was as a result of the murders but they never found him guilty. And thanks to the double jeopardy rule he can never be tried again no matter wht you think......

NEXT!

andrae37
July 18th, 2007, 11:31 AM
This isn't about OJ's moral standings. It's about he was one of the greatest football players of all time period. On that alone, yes he should be in the game. I'm going to say this, and I hope I don't offend anyone, but the whole reason this OJ thing is even coming up is because he was found not guilty of killing a blonde blue eyed woman. If this was his first wife, who happens to be black, none of this discussion about OJ over the last 12 years would be going on, and that's a fact, take it like as you like.

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 11:31 AM
Might want to brush up on your Civil Law & Criminal Law. Also, might want to pull up OJ's Guilty Verdict and read it, the Civil Court sure did hold him responsible for the murders..Pesky facts.....

Lacarious
July 18th, 2007, 11:32 AM
http://www.pastapadre.com/1130/the-oj-simpson-topic-surfaces-yet-again

I know many people don't like the guys website because he is a EA fanboy but brings up interesting point.

what point is that?

PastaBoy is is simply an EA puppet....

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Yes. OJ was found Gulty and Owes a Substantial Civil Judgement for his GUILTY Verdict.

Next,


Let me say this again S-L-O-W-L-Y.......you are not "found guilty" and do not have a "guilty verdict" in a civil case!!! You are found liable. And there is no murder in civil court, only wrongful death. Two different things with different burdens of proof and different penalties.

In order to be found GUILTY of anything in the United States of America, the judge or jury must find it beyond a reasonable doubt. So again...the only time he was tried for guilt or innocence was in the criminal case and he was found not guilty.

KRS-One
July 18th, 2007, 11:36 AM
Nah. Dude you miss the point. No one is really arguing wether or not he should be in the game. It is the touchdown celebration he does. The said his touchdown celebration it the "throat slash". And no not the one done by the stadium.

That's not HIS celebration. Any player in the game can use that celebration. All players do it at the same rate, too. PastaPadre is just trying to brew trouble by saying "2K made it so O.J. does it more than everyone else."

ALPHAxDOG
July 18th, 2007, 11:38 AM
Very SLOWLY, OJ was Found LIABLE/GUILTY for the WRONGFUL DEATH/MURDER of Ms. Simpson & Mr. Goldman...................seems really simple. Spin it how you like but Liable in Civil court is Guilty & Wrongful Death is Murder in Civil Court. Creat all the adjectives you like, spin it how u like........

slammerxt
July 18th, 2007, 11:42 AM
I just finished making my second Team, the Mesa Vipers and in my first game I had OJ run 160 yards and gave him a touchdown with the slash celebration. It was awsome!

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 11:43 AM
Very SLOWLY, OJ was Found LIABLE/GUILTY for the WRONGFUL DEATH/MURDER of Ms. Simpson & Mr. Goldman...................seems really simple. Spin it how you like but Liable in Civil court is Guilty & Wrongful Death is Murder in Civil Court. Creat all the adjectives you like, spin it how u like........

You sir, are "spinning". I am speaking FACTS. Spinning is saying that a civil court finding of liability and a criminal court finding of guilt are the same thing. That is simply not true.

Everything I have said is legal fact. However a lot of what you have said is opinion. So who is really spinning?

Lacarious
July 18th, 2007, 11:49 AM
Wasn't OJ found to be innocent? I do recall that verdict very clear.

topzzz
July 18th, 2007, 11:51 AM
http://www.pastapadre.com/1130/the-oj-simpson-topic-surfaces-yet-again

I know many people don't like the guys website because he is a EA fanboy but brings up interesting point.

All I have to say is, "Learn to spell!!!!!!"

"Contraversy" Lol ROFL

burger13
July 18th, 2007, 11:54 AM
LMFAO at everyone who has compared putting OJ in this game to putting R.Lewis, Pacman, Vick in Madden. Putting OJ in 2K8 was a lot more work than keeping him out would have been. As for these NFL players, they are part of the NFLPA so keeping them OUT would have required some decisions to be made....including them was a non-decision.

And thanks to all the kind people who have been kind enough to inform me why I and my fellow white people are mad about OJ.

Even if he was convicted, each person has the right to believe whatever they want as to what really happened.....and it doesn't change a thing. Only a few people in this world know for sure and I'm pretty sure none of them are posting here.

In the end, he was a football player, and is in a football game....and only people looking for things to be ****ed off at today are really going to care.

bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 11:54 AM
All I have to say is, "Learn to spell!!!!!!"

"Contraversy" Lol ROFL


Sorry webster's dictionary/microsoft spell checker. We are not all as perfect as you.:D

burger13
July 18th, 2007, 11:55 AM
Wasn't OJ found to be innocent? I do recall that verdict very clear.

he wasn't found innocent......he was found 'not guilty'. and there is a difference.

azn_pnoy
July 18th, 2007, 12:02 PM
he wasn't found innocent......he was found 'not guilty'. and there is a difference.


NOT GUILTY = INNOCENT in the court of law right???

Am I MISSING something here or is this guy on something??

Lacarious
July 18th, 2007, 12:10 PM
NOT GUILTY = INNOCENT in the court of law right???

Am I MISSING something here or is this guy on something??

he bumped his head

digitalandroid
July 18th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Interesting how people get caught up in this stuff.. when there are games out there that simulates ultra violence but yet no one talks about it...and everyone thinks these type of games are "awesome" by majority.

And then you get OJ doing the throat slash and everyone is like "OMG! blasphemy!"

Yea he might have done it he might not.

If you dont like him then dont use him in your team, if you like to use him just for that "OMG" experience then use him.

I think its kool that they have him in the game, it adds personality in the game which Madden doesnt have.

burger13
July 18th, 2007, 12:15 PM
NOT GUILTY = INNOCENT in the court of law right???

Am I MISSING something here or is this guy on something??

no 'not guilty' = 'not guilty' in a court of law. For someone to be found guilty, it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt....so not guilty is simply a lack of doing that. but that's not the same as being proven innocent.

jddcp
July 18th, 2007, 12:17 PM
he wasn't found innocent......he was found 'not guilty'. and there is a difference.


You are presumed innocent (by law) before the case even starts, so yes if they find him not guilty that means he remains innocent. In essence, he doesn't have to be found innocent, because the law presumes that he already is.

ZellJr
July 18th, 2007, 12:20 PM
Innocent until proven guilty.

But what I'm wondering is why do people care? Are people honestly offended by this? Like they don't watch this on TV on a regular basis? OJ was not even proven guilty. I don't see why anyone would care. This is a videogame and those things in the game such as the throat slash celebration have been in other games such as WWE Smackdown vs Raw. No one was offended. So let's just leave it alone because all this really doesn't mean anything. People are crying just to cry. They like to have something to cry and complain about.

bigcdiddy16
July 18th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Not that I am offended as much I as I am wondering if this was done purposely by 2k.

burger13
July 18th, 2007, 12:30 PM
You are presumed innocent (by law) before the case even starts, so yes if they find him not guilty that means he remains innocent. In essence, he doesn't have to be found innocent, because the law presumes that he already is.

alright, you are on to something there....but I'll take it a step further

you are PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty....he was never proven guilty, so he is still PRESUMED innocent. I can live with that. But he wasn't FOUND innocent nor was he PROVEN innocent.

Drunknfury xbgl
July 18th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Umm....where did I say he should have gotten off due to race? He got off, as you say, because the DA didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Dont start putting words in my mouth. But if your saying that they deserved it because the KKK killed people in the 1900's, then you my friend are retarded.

If he did it, God will judge him. If he didnt, then no worries, he is off free. My point is, dont bring race into this.

Hes in the game, deal with it! I used him, and he is awesome

BPsHermitCrabs
July 18th, 2007, 01:18 PM
i DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE BLCK OR WHITE......BUT....hERe'S MY OPINION of your post:

You say that it's not about race to you but for those of us who are card carrying members of the african american community know that to a certain degree it's almost always about race! When was the last time you heard anything in the media about a white athlete doing anything beside's going on a roid rage and killing his whole family and himself! I can only speak from the perspective of a black man because that's all I've ever been. It seems to me that the media and the American society as a whole views the black athlete as a threat! Just look at what they tried to do to Jordan with his gambling! Look at what the just tried to do to reggie bush and NOW Look at what they are trying to do with VICK!!! So for you to say that it's not about race means to me that you are oblivious to the fact that racism is very real in this country. Just the other day while I was doing some sidework painting for this old 85 year old white lady, I was forced to sit there and listen to her tell me how awesome it was for her great grandfather to own slaves! I have never been so ****ed off in my entire life. And I had to sit there and take that garbage because I didn't want the friend that I was doing the side work for to lose any business! Having said that, I also have to add in what the media is doing to Barry Bonds! If Mark Mcguire was chasing Hammerin Hank's record, the world would be in love with baseball! But IMO because Barry's black the have to give him all the crap in the world because somebody said he juiced.....guess what.....if he did juice he wasn't the only one doing it and I believe that Giambi is gonna tell the whole damn world that it was major league baseball's greed and not the result of player's chetaing the game!!! I know that I got a little off topic but I'm kinda tired of everybody flaming on these athlete's all the time for absolutely nothing....or maybe jealousy!!!

P.S.
You don't see me taking up for pacman jones because i think he is the biggest idiot on the face of the planet!


For the record, Jordan cheated multiple times on Juanita Jordan and his gambling could be largely credited for his father's death...

Reggie Bush has not suffered a single bit from his scandal, although his family had no business living in a house provided by an agent during college.

Michael Vick is not convicted, and maybe in a heap of trouble... I don't think that the media has "made up" the fact that he is under federal investigation and has his bond hearing on July 26.

Mark McGwire is actually facing quite a bit of resistance to the hall of fame... any other player with his numbers would have been first ballot... Reason?: Steroids.

Bonds? see above, it's steroids... Hank Aaron was treated much worse leading up to his record breaking homers (ie death threats etc)... plus outside of san fran, most fans who have encountered him think he's arrogant.

So racially motivated? Come on... lets move past that. Plus you're missing some guys like TO, Kobe, and Chris Henry....

BPsHermitCrabs
July 18th, 2007, 01:59 PM
OJ in the game is awesome btw