True Review from a True 2K Sports fan.

[QB_TARGET#24]

Honestly afer being excited and defending this game for months , I have to say this... After awhile playing, i'm on the fence. The game gets boring really really fast. I'm not saying it's not a good fun game, all I am saying is the game does in no way shape or form match its price tag and without online, it is a football gamers nightmare and a demo @ best Here are some reasons.

We were given a bare bones game, and yes the graphics look awesome the animation is amazing, but after a few games, and a few online matchups, you are just left with a satisfying yet "what can i do next" feeling. No weather options online, I counted 4 #80's on my team yesterday as well, and create a player is a JOKE. Sure you get some cool custom features, but when I take myself online against a buddy, I am just a first name...how lame. Oh and what's up with online halftime? Why are we all the sudden taken back to PS2 NFL 2K5 with pictures that don't match up to what dan and peter are saying?

Lets go to teams if we can. It's like ok we got a ton of teams and logos, but lets face it, who is gonna use all of them, plus they really are limited when you look @ the bigger picture. By the time you mix and match stripes and patterns, you still end up facing a team with a lighting bolt, and Mike Singletary same as you online. I think if 2K does in fact do this again, we need to erase the legends, and just have it to where you can create entire teams from scratch, and just have a 100% fictional football league possible being able to upload logos that are reviewed first of course.

I am in no way saying Madden will be anything this season, so don't call me a turncoat. All i am saying is we were delivered a hyped product much like EA does to us, and in no way does this game match the calibur of 2K's NBA as well as other titles. Sure I bought the game I will keep it and continue to whoop my buddy from LA online like I always have but for what we paid, we were truly taken advantage of as consumers, and take two fed off fanboys (myself included) and the past glory on this one. Next season, APF has to deliver more options than ever, or this franchise is just as dead as the hopes of an NFL license.

[blockburner28]

No lie I can agree with you. I can only play one game a day by time it hit halftime i'm bored as ****

[captainclutch2]

I never thought I would have ever read this from QB Target

[QB_TARGET#24]

Well capn. Team "me" is a very respectful concept. $60+ is alot for something that gets a couple games in a week just because you get so bored. I admit I bought into the fact this company has never disappointed me in the past. Well first time for everything, and I can say this like I did Madden 06, and 07...maybe next year?

[guilty comrade]

i am still excited about this game. i played call of duty for 5 months. i didnt even touch the single player that much and the online made that game. that is what this game is....online.

[captainclutch2]

I got the same feeling after playing this as after playing MLB 2K7. The feeling of I cant wait till next year b/c there is untapped potential waiting to break out. For now I pass

[xThaKidx]

Honestly afer being excited and defending this game for months , I have to say this... After awhile playing, i'm on the fence. The game gets boring really really fast. I'm not saying it's not a good fun game, all I am saying is the game does in no way shape or form match its price tag and without online, it is a football gamers nightmare and a demo @ best Here are some reasons.

We were given a bare bones game, and yes the graphics look awesome the animation is amazing, but after a few games, and a few online matchups, you are just left with a satisfying yet "what can i do next" feeling. No weather options online, I counted 4 #80's on my team yesterday as well, and create a player is a JOKE. Sure you get some cool custom features, but when I take myself online against a buddy, I am just a first name...how lame. Oh and what's up with online halftime? Why are we all the sudden taken back to PS2 NFL 2K5 with pictures that don't match up to what dan and peter are saying?

Lets go to teams if we can. It's like ok we got a ton of teams and logos, but lets face it, who is gonna use all of them, plus they really are limited when you look @ the bigger picture. By the time you mix and match stripes and patterns, you still end up facing a team with a lighting bolt, and Mike Singletary same as you online. I think if 2K does in fact do this again, we need to erase the legends, and just have it to where you can create entire teams from scratch, and just have a 100% fictional football league possible being able to upload logos that are reviewed first of course.

I am in no way saying Madden will be anything this season, so don't call me a turncoat. All i am saying is we were delivered a hyped product much like EA does to us, and in no way does this game match the calibur of 2K's NBA as well as other titles. Sure I bought the game I will keep it and continue to whoop my buddy from LA online like I always have but for what we paid, we were truly taken advantage of as consumers, and take two fed off fanboys (myself included) and the past glory on this one. Next season, APF has to deliver more options than ever, or this franchise is just as dead as the hopes of an NFL license.


Thats where i stopped, online league pages are now up so it will make leagues much better so you wont be thinking "what can i do next

[QB_TARGET#24]

Yes Guilty, and as I stated without online, this game may as well take up space on a shelf. Nothing is more disappointing, than when u create a team, and see it staring back @ you online. They should have taken into consideration that 240 legends including the scrubs that they call legends, just aint enough, and the amount of customization on uni's kind of fails to deliver as well when you look @ how many people actually are making teams.

[guilty comrade]

well to each their own i guess. no one can force you to like something. you do what you feel is right. i am not saying you are wrong or right. try to have a good day man.

[joliveiransu]

This is the best football simulation to date. I almost don't want 2K to get the license back because this is the most strategic sports game ever made.

You said cut out the legends? What?!!!??

[QB_TARGET#24]

Not hating @ all, I like this game, I am just disappointed in it. Sure I will continue to play it, but I can't stress enough that the price tag does NOT match the product.

[GimmieTheLoot]

I've not seen too much of all pro but I can say that what i have seen i was not impressed with. Personaly i think that buying both all pro and madden may not be a bad idea now. NCAA has a lot of nice features so if they carry them over to madden then it should be pretty good.

[QB_TARGET#24]

This is the best football simulation to date. I almost don't want 2K to get the license back because this is the most strategic sports game ever made.

You said cut out the legends? What?!!!??

YES!

Kind of sucks when my Andre Reed just scored a TD, then my buddies Andre Reed does.
There are just alot of thing I don't think they took the time to research, and thats where the disappointment comes in.

@ this point I would love to see an NFL license back. As bad as Blitz sucked, those teams were well thought out, and for imaginary players, they did a hell of a job on backgrounds, and profiles.

[masterkiller33]

Yes Guilty, and as I stated without online, this game may as well take up space on a shelf. Nothing is more disappointing, than when u create a team, and see it staring back @ you online. They should have taken into consideration that 240 legends including the scrubs that they call legends, just aint enough, and the amount of customization on uni's kind of fails to deliver as well when you look @ how many people actually are making teams.


That's why I created my own generic team ( 11 created the rest computer generated).
This way my players will not have the same numbers and I will not be playing the against the same team.

[TheHiss39]

Not hating @ all, I like this game, I am just disappointed in it. Sure I will continue to play it, but I can't stress enough that the price tag does NOT match the product.

I definitely agree. I got this game yesterday and Im bored with it. The game is just average to me because I dont play online. It seems like its missing that "umph" like in NBA 2k7 or even NFL 2k5. Its not the franchise mode missing or the NFL license because I would rather play without a license, but I can do without the legends. This game should have been a fully customizable game like they said a couple of months ago. I think alot of people overhyped this game and I was just too excited. If 2k makes another football game next year, the sky's the limit with what they can do with this game, I just hope that they dont come up short like this year.

[masterkiller33]

Don't get me wrong the game is not perfect, but its not bad. The truth is (just based on gameply) I can't play MADDEN 08 or NCAA 08. The fact is while EA did add some new features the game play still sucks. It sucks to be a football fan right now, 2k lacks the features EA has and EA lacks the gameplay. But at the end of the day I want gameplay. So if I have to continue to create new teams than I will for this year and hope for a better game next year.

[QB_TARGET#24]

I definitely agree. I got this game yesterday and Im bored with it. The game is just average to me because I dont play online. It seems like its missing that "umph" like in NBA 2k7 or even NFL 2k5. Its not the franchise mode missing or the NFL license because I would rather play without a license, but I can do without the legends. This game should have been a fully customizable game like they said a couple of months ago. I think alot of people overhyped this game and I was just too excited. If 2k makes another football game next year, the sky's the limit with what they can do with this game, I just hope that they dont come up short like this year.

Overhyped is right. I for one am 100% guilty of that. It's glad to see we can all agree to disagree on here, and be civil. Our product we hoped to be amazing, is not even close to that, and I am certain 2K will look into our complaints, and build upon them. Until them try and make the best out of the game.

Might I add half the legends look NOTHING like their real life counterparts.

I didn't know Andre Reed and James Lofton were as dark as Bernie Mac?

[dragonjp]

What? You gotta be kidding me. I got the game on Saturday, and I've made five teams so far. Got ideas on Legends for at least four more... I knew this game was money when the first Legend that appeared was my boy Dan Marino! :cool: Look, you can be bored all you want, while I keep on making new and different teams of Legends for season play and get my groove on in the online leagues. That's more than enough replay for me. We knew that this game was just the beginning, so give the 2K/VC cats a break. A much more positive use of time would be giving 2K/VC ideas (like "Create-A-League?") on how to make APF 2K9 great....

[N@X_WiZaRD]

Sorry, I only read TRUE Reviews from FAKE 2k Sports Fans. TRUE Reviews from TRUE 2k Sports Fans are over-rated. So are FAKE Reviews from TRUE 2k Sports Fans.

[QB_TARGET#24]

Whatever dude, sorry i'm not a robot, and love everything a company puts out. They disappointed me what else do ya want?

[badasp83]

I say keep the legends. However, let us create players as good within the tier system, but add the ability to create players as nonlegends that can do certain things just not at the level of a "legend". Add create a stadium , franchise/owner mode, add tons of cities, names (first and last), and record the announcers saying each. So when your city, team, player, comes up they will announce it correctly. Have more options when it comes to customizing players(faces, body types, etc).

[N@X_WiZaRD]

No, I was poking fun at your use of double adjectives. Why would I want to read true reviews from fake fans?

[captainclutch2]

Im sorry but if anyone call QB Target a fake 2K fan then you blatantly were not here weeks before release

[Dblock1111]

I really have to completely disagree when u say take out all the legends. Maybe if they had a legends or no legends option, that might be good, but for me playing with legends is what makes this game great. Finding all the different combonations, and which ones i do best with. Sorry, u have ur opinion,but Playin with Ron Mexico as my starter just wouldnt be fun/

[dkampel]

see "ALL PRO DISAPPOINTMENT" post...

[QB_TARGET#24]

I guess I owe Madden fanboys an apology now. I dissed the hell out of 06 and 07, they were called "building years" well is this not a building game? Hell those were not worth the price tags, and neither is this!

I cannot believe the flaming going on just because of being honest.

[Zinthar]

I believe the OP makes some very valid points, especially with regard to the disappointment in seeing the same players on many teams (Lem Barney, for instance).

What makes this so disappointing is that VC easily could have implemented some options that would have eliminated these problems. For instance:

1) In offline season mode play, the CPU should randomly regenerate its teams based on the legends that you did not pick. You should also be able to choose whether all teams are evenly tiered (that is 2 gold/ 3 silver/ 6 bronze) or differ in their allotments of legend tiers.

VC could make a few additions to the legends that could give them longetivity ratings that could be used in a franchise mode in future APF's. You could be given a chance to help develop your generics and draft picks each year into legends (and perhaps track them as they move up to bronze/silver/gold tiers).

2) In online play, leagues should hold a draft, either live, or by a system whereby you choose the order in which you want players selected (and the max # of players per position to draft). Alternatively, the current online league system should be optional as well.

3) When playing a game heads up against a human opponent, you could have an option that would make it so that the two teams couldn't have any identical players. This could be a system where the players randomly flip to see who will be allowed to take the player(s) that each one has, and the other player will have to take a different player... ie both teams have Lem Barney. One player gets to keep him, the other player has to change him out for another legend... and perhaps given the option to choose out another legend as well (in case you want to take a bronze CB instead to replace him, and a silver in a different position).

APF 2K9 could very easily address the complaints with this year's game (namely, the graphics & lack of features). I would like to see the gameplay altered in some significant ways -- specifically the way momentum is handled; but, for the most part, APF's gameplay is still the best in the business.

The feedback from the fans and reviewers should give VC a nice look at where they're at and what they need to work on for next year. Let's hope the game sells well enough that Take Two is certain up the budget on the game to put it where it needs to be... I'd bet they lost out on a lot of sales from people who won't give it a try because of the lack of a franchise mode and sub-par graphics. The lack of paying for a pricey NFL/NFLPA license may be a blessing in disguise.

[QB_TARGET#24]

Im sorry but if anyone call QB Target a fake 2K fan then you blatantly were not here weeks before release


Thats ok bro..whatever his definition of a true 2K fan is...I really don't want to be it.

This game 100% has caused me to defect to team "ME". I now see why EA doesn't add the presentation aspect to next-gen football.

First of all commentary lacks excitement, and half the time makes no sense, and is very dry humor. 2nd of all the cut scenes I see in APF are nothing to write home about. Maybe I was too hard on EA, because I do see the transition of football to next-gen isn't as easy as we all thought it would be.

If i hate on EA and have hated on EA, then I have to question why 2K did what they did in certain areas of APF. I would not be a tru consumer, if I didn't question any of this.

[QB_TARGET#24]

I believe the OP makes some very valid points, especially with regard to the disappointment in seeing the same players on many teams (Lem Barney, for instance).

What makes this so disappointing is that VC easily could have implemented some options that would have eliminated these problems. For instance:

1) In offline season mode play, the CPU should randomly regenerate its teams based on the legends that you did not pick. You should also be able to choose whether all teams are evenly tiered (that is 2 gold/ 3 silver/ 6 bronze) or differ in their allotments of legend tiers.

VC could make a few additions to the legends that could give them longetivity ratings that could be used in a franchise mode in future APF's. You could be given a chance to help develop your generics and draft picks each year into legends (and perhaps track them as they move up to bronze/silver/gold tiers).

2) In online play, leagues should hold a draft, either live, or by a system whereby you choose the order in which you want players selected (and the max # of players per position to draft). Alternatively, the current online league system should be optional as well.

3) When playing a game heads up against a human opponent, you could have an option that would make it so that the two teams couldn't have any identical players. This could be a system where the players randomly flip to see who will be allowed to take the player(s) that each one has, and the other player will have to take a different player... ie both teams have Lem Barney. One player gets to keep him, the other player has to change him out for another legend... and perhaps given the option to choose out another legend as well (in case you want to take a bronze CB instead to replace him, and a silver in a different position).

APF 2K9 could very easily address the complaints with this year's game (namely, the graphics & lack of features). I would like to see the gameplay altered in some significant ways -- specifically the way momentum is handled; but, for the most part, APF's gameplay is still the best in the business.

The feedback from the fans and reviewers should give VC a nice look at where they're at and what they need to work on for next year. Let's hope the game sells well enough that Take Two is certain up the budget on the game to put it where it needs to be... I'd bet they lost out on a lot of sales from people who won't give it a try because of the lack of a franchise mode and sub-par graphics. The lack of paying for a pricey NFL/NFLPA license may be a blessing in disguise.


Do us all a favor...


APPLY FOR A JOB IN APF DEVELOPMENT!!!

That was well thought out and written.

[dragonjp]

I guess I owe Madden fanboys an apology now. I dissed the hell out of 06 and 07, they were called "building years" well is this not a building game? Hell those were not worth the price tags, and neither is this!

I cannot believe the flaming going on just because of being honest.

I don't think any flaming is going on here. We just respectfully disagree with you. Overhyped? How? People on this board were going nuts for months about the lack of any hype with this game. I agree that the game could/should have been priced lower (even suggested it in a few posts awhile back), but how are you gonna pay the Legends? Personally, I don't think any of these fancy next-gen systems and games are worth what is being charged for them--- hasn't the blistering success of the much cheaper Nintendo Wii proved that? If you're a gamer like me, what do you do? APF 2K8 is loaded with great gameplay, but it's just the tip of the 2K iceberg; it's the ticket to a loaded APF 2K9, and maybe, just maybe, NFL 2K10....

[QB_TARGET#24]

I think that this game could have been a huge success w/o legends just because of this companys football legacy of gameplay alone. I think ALL next gen titles are over priced, and just seeing this one confirms that this should have been $39.99 bottom line.

[tate/tluv]

I agree with dragonjp. 2k was being criticized for lack of hype and exposure. I think based on 2k5, everyone was excited and expected a stellar product. The players are not what I expected but the gameplay is great on line. The AI is smarter (secondary play is alot better). I don't play every moment like I did on 2k5 because I have more things to do (life changes in a 3 yr period). When I do play, I don't realize I play for 2 hrs; therefore, I monitor myself. To me, it's a great game to play (on line).

[rhythm]

I guess I owe Madden fanboys an apology now. I dissed the hell out of 06 and 07, they were called "building years" well is this not a building game? Hell those were not worth the price tags, and neither is this!

I cannot believe the flaming going on just because of being honest.

with respect...

madden 06 did absolutely nothing right everything about that game was horrible except the graphics, they weren't horrible they were ok. at least this game(apf) has the gameplay in tact that part of the game is very solid, add in online leagues and this game gets legs. offline some may be screwed.there are those that enjoy franchise,and there are those that have no time for it and prefer single games or a single season only. i think the AI in the offline modes offers up a gr8 challenge.....the online is very solid. if you join a league i'm sure there will be rules in place to prevent duplicate players so that shouldn't be to much of a problem.

[GaMeQB11]

i find it funny that people hate on the NFL liscence, yet cant imagine this game without "legends"-

to me the whole Legends thing held back what this game couldve truly been. the whole thing is a lame overhyped (which most of you are still falling for) gimmick.

[rhythm]

i find it funny that people hate on the NFL liscence, yet cant imagine this game without "legends"-

to me the whole Legends thing held back what this game couldve truly been. the whole thing is a lame overhyped (which most of you are still falling for) gimmick.



held back?? how??

what could it have truly been??? is it something other than a football game??

what's the gimmick??

[GaMeQB11]

held back?? how??

what could it have truly been??? is it something other than a football game??

what's the gimmick??

the gimmick is that they hype something thats always been in football games

its as if nba2k9 came out and they made a big deal about having 90s allstar players and then decided to base the entire game around playing as them and limited ALL other features- that is apf2k8

they do NOTHING with these Legends that wasnt done in their previous games. In fact they REMOVE some regular moves for ALL players just to make Legends seem like they have unique abilities! what!!...and people say EA hypes BS improvements.

[dru]

held back?? how??

Well, it stopped them from having franchise mode, for one. I agree with the post you quoted. I think an all-generic, fully customizable title for 39.99 could have been a big success.

[dragonjp]

i find it funny that people hate on the NFL liscence, yet cant imagine this game without "legends"-

to me the whole Legends thing held back what this game couldve truly been. the whole thing is a lame overhyped (which most of you are still falling for) gimmick.

"Hate on the NFL license?" No one is hating on the NFL license. EA bought the rights to the NFL to get rid of the competition, that's what everybody hates. The Legends add a new dimension to the game. I can't stop making teams with new groups of Legends. It's not about where they were on an NFL roster once upon a time, but their individual styles and skills that amaze football fans like me to this day. "Lame" and "overhyped?" Madden is overhyped every year and released to disappointment. If you want to call APF "lame" for its lack of features, than explain Madden over the last two years on Xbox 360/PS3?

[Xtotheca]

I feel you QB....finally someone speaks the truth....I for one can admit I overhyped it- even after I got it....I love 2k sports though...but I think the next big think is goiing to be NBA2k8

[GaMeQB11]

"Hate on the NFL license?" No one is hating on the NFL license. EA bought the rights to the NFL to get rid of the competition, that's what everybody hates. The Legends add a new dimension to the game. I can't stop making teams with new groups of Legends. It's not about where they were on an NFL roster once upon a time, but their individual styles and skills that amaze football fans like me to this day. "Lame" and "overhyped?" Madden is overhyped every year and released to disappointment. If you want to call APF "lame" for its lack of features, than explain Madden over the last two years on Xbox 360/PS3?
why would i need to "explain" Madden over the last two years. I dont work for EA, and i didnt buy those games.

you couldve made teams of legends on 2k5, whats your point? its fun now because they limit you AND everyone else sucks? You dont realise how your just as bad as an EA fanboy who thinks the hitstick revolutionized football gaming.

[GaMeQB11]

dont get me wrong, i enjoy the gameplay, but i cant help but play an exhibition game thinking "Man, this is a GREAT demo until 2k9" people have fun with demos, but they arent full games.

i hope that 2k realises that they can make a GREAT game next year by not continuing in the direction of the "Legends" gimmick- but in a - great OVERALL football sim game that has everything on the field (and off) that you could want- direction. you know, where NFL2k5 was going

[dragonjp]

why would i need to "explain" Madden over the last two years. I dont work for EA, and i didnt buy those games.

you couldve made teams of legends on 2k5, whats your point? its fun now because they limit you AND everyone else sucks? You dont realise how your just as bad as an EA fanboy who thinks the hitstick revolutionized football gaming.

Maybe you don't feel the need to explain Madden over the last two years because you can't. You clearly don't understand what is going on here. You want 2K to stay on point with Madden without the NFL license, despite the fact that 2K/Visual Concepts has been out of football for years, despite having to start over on new next-gen hardware, and despite all of parent company Take Two's financial problems. I give 2K/VC credit for taking on EA despite all that, which btw does not make me a fanboy. I've bought many Maddens, NCAAs, etc. from EA, but I (like a lot of people) have had disappointments with EA and those games. Legends on 2K5 were a throw-in; on APF clearly the Legends are the focus of the game. Considering everything and everyone (Mirror?) against it, I think APF 2K8 has turned out to be a very good game with the potential to be great....

[QB_TARGET#24]

If u lost the NFL License, and made money off football games. then you should have not tucked your tail between your legs and sat out for 2 years.

[GaMeQB11]

Maybe you don't feel the need to explain Madden over the last two years because you can't. You clearly don't understand what is going on here. You want 2K to stay on point with Madden without the NFL license, despite the fact that 2K/Visual Concepts has been out of football for years, despite having to start over on new next-gen hardware, and despite all of parent company Take Two's financial problems. I give 2K/VC credit for taking on EA despite all that, which btw does not make me a fanboy. I've bought many Maddens, NCAAs, etc. from EA, but I (like a lot of people) have had disappointments with EA and those games. Legends on 2K5 were a throw-in; on APF clearly the Legends are the focus of the game. Considering everything and everyone (Mirror?) against it, I think APF 2K8 has turned out to be a very good game with the potential to be great....

how is this game more focused on Legends? by having their name and limting teams and making everyone else avg at everything? you done need an ENTIRE football game devoted to that. It couldve been a "mode" in a better 2k football effort.

This game is no better than if they made a pure first person football game with No other modes and then HYPED it up.

[N@X_WiZaRD]

Thats ok bro..whatever his definition of a true 2K fan is...I really don't want to be it.

You don't know how to read. I never said you weren't a true 2k fan.

[sleepytercel]

Well, the only people to blame on overhyping, are yourselves. VC pretty much summed the game up from the beginning. They told us it was about gameplay, and told us it didn't have a franchise mode. Guess what? They were not misleading us. However, the gameplay, in my opinion, is what I wanted it to be. I've never enjoyed a football game online, and against friends, since NFL2K3. The strategy to win is what keeps me glued. I have played against so many different types of players, it really keeps me glued. Unlike 2K5 and Madden, where most peoples habits are almost as repetitious as the CPU, this game has a lot of different ways to win. Most people don't like the cloned players, but it keeps things so balanced. It's not about picking the best teams here, it's about designing a well thought out team and seeing who can win with them. I've never enjoyed a football game so much. Extra modes or not, if I'm not playing the game more than staring at menu screens, then the game is not good. Luckily, this game has a lot to see in its gameplay, and offers a very strategic game that requires more than repetitious play to win.

[NPYYZ]

Nothing is more disappointing, than when u create a team, and see it staring back @ you online. They should have taken into consideration that 240 legends including the scrubs that they call legends, just aint enough, and the amount of customization on uni's kind of fails to deliver as well when you look @ how many people actually are making teams.

I think you should take full advantage of the game and create a bunch of different team for your on line play. That's what I did, this way I can pick a team that has different legends then my opponent.

PS another thing I've done is create my favorite NFL team. I've got a team with 11 of the top Chiefs players on it as well as their uniforms. I can find plenty to keep me into this game for a long time. Join a league, we're doing our league draft tonight, I got 1st pick. Woo Hoo

[baandje]

Honestly afer being excited and defending this game for months , I have to say this... After awhile playing, i'm on the fence. The game gets boring really really fast. I'm not saying it's not a good fun game, all I am saying is the game does in no way shape or form match its price tag and without online, it is a football gamers nightmare and a demo @ best Here are some reasons.

We were given a bare bones game, and yes the graphics look awesome the animation is amazing, but after a few games, and a few online matchups, you are just left with a satisfying yet "what can i do next" feeling. No weather options online, I counted 4 #80's on my team yesterday as well, and create a player is a JOKE. Sure you get some cool custom features, but when I take myself online against a buddy, I am just a first name...how lame. Oh and what's up with online halftime? Why are we all the sudden taken back to PS2 NFL 2K5 with pictures that don't match up to what dan and peter are saying?

Lets go to teams if we can. It's like ok we got a ton of teams and logos, but lets face it, who is gonna use all of them, plus they really are limited when you look @ the bigger picture. By the time you mix and match stripes and patterns, you still end up facing a team with a lighting bolt, and Mike Singletary same as you online. I think if 2K does in fact do this again, we need to erase the legends, and just have it to where you can create entire teams from scratch, and just have a 100% fictional football league possible being able to upload logos that are reviewed first of course.

I am in no way saying Madden will be anything this season, so don't call me a turncoat. All i am saying is we were delivered a hyped product much like EA does to us, and in no way does this game match the calibur of 2K's NBA as well as other titles. Sure I bought the game I will keep it and continue to whoop my buddy from LA online like I always have but for what we paid, we were truly taken advantage of as consumers, and take two fed off fanboys (myself included) and the past glory on this one. Next season, APF has to deliver more options than ever, or this franchise is just as dead as the hopes of an NFL license.
I don't have the game, so I can't comment on graphics, etc. But I've been reading the site and user reviews, and THIS review strikes me as maybe the most honest and accurate assessment of the game as I've come to understand it via things I've read. ESPECIALLY your last sentence: dead on.

[sleepytercel]

People act like they are surprised when the information was already implanted into our skulls.If you like PLAYING sports games that represent the sport to great honest detail, you will like this game. If your entire focus is extras and menu screens, well...it's not your game. If you can't be a little creative in the offline play, and your focus is what it lacks, then how do you enjoy anything? It offers a great strategic game of football. That's what I want first, so at least it pleases me. My friends and I have made our teams, created our own tournament, and kept track of stats and such. It can be fun. However, I grew up with the notion that sports games have always been about playing others, since it's about competition.

I have more fun swinging at baseballs from a real person than I do from the batting cages machine.

[dragonjp]

Sleepytercel, you are a Master Jedi as far as I am concerned. APF 2K8 takes me back to my youth in the mean streets of Liberty City in Miami, when me and my boys had our own football league in the streets. No NFL, just our own made-up teams and schedules, and the chance to "play the game," as Coach Herman Edwards would say. You buy the game to "play the game," right? I get it, APF is not a fully-featured game. It seems like a lot of us here on the forums have forgotten that we knew it wouldn't be going in. Me, I just enjoy the great gameplay and secretly make my list of improvements for APF 2K9 to post later on... someday.... :p

[sleepytercel]

I wouldn't say Master Jedi, but maybe I'm just getting old. My mentality seems to be far different than todays gamers. However, people today seem to be pleased with having 10 different FPShooter's in their collection. Sad thing is, I speak like an old timer, and I'm only 27. I'm still in the mentality that the game comes first, and everything afterwards should be implemented when you have the game down.

[QB_TARGET#24]

I don't have the game, so I can't comment on graphics, etc. But I've been reading the site and user reviews, and THIS review strikes me as maybe the most honest and accurate assessment of the game as I've come to understand it via things I've read. ESPECIALLY your last sentence: dead on.


Just tryin't to be real, and just because i'm a fanboy of 2K doesn't mean i'm gonna defend whats clearly broken.

[captainclutch2]

Just tryin't to be real, and just because i'm a fanboy of 2K doesn't mean i'm gonna defend whats clearly broken.
I hate to break it to you but you lose your status as a 2K fanboy and become into a 2K Fan. Nothing worse just 2K fans actually use logic when discussing 2K games

[baandje]

Just tryin't to be real, and just because i'm a fanboy of 2K doesn't mean i'm gonna defend whats clearly broken.
APF sounds like it's lacking, but it doesn't sound like it's broken.

[lakerkid]

This is the best football simulation to date. I almost don't want 2K to get the license back because this is the most strategic sports game ever made.


tru dat!


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