If you use the word sim, then you have to read.

[segasportslover]

After i read the first two pages of Clark Kent 79 cutting the dude, i have nothing to say but that the guy is a loser and had made up rules to abide to his poor defensive game.


So my point is how bad the word sim get's misused.

So i'll describe here the sim's that are misintepreted.


1.Sim-Simulation just like a real football team would play.
In real life they no huddle and go on 4th down on situations even when winning.

2.Sim-Not exploiting game glitches.
Still i don't understand why this is called sim.

3.Sim-Not cheesing.
Hmm ok.

4.Sim-Fair player that doesn't go on 4th down or go 5 wide or no huddle.
Uhh ya ok.


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1.I'm not a big believe of this one trying to run your team as a real life football team is dumb, you should run your team how you want, as long as your not exploiting the game, so honestly hearing people say play like a real football team sounds absurd you running how you want, and as for cheese i' get to it on #3.

2.See this is a problem right here, i though in the first place 'SIM' was supposed to be about not exploiting the game and not go beyond what everything now is misintepreted as sim,but yet it was the wrong word to use, maybe a 'StraightPlayer' would've been great for a player that doesn't exploit the game glitches instead of using sim.

3.Cheesing? what is cheesing? running alot of the same plays going 5 wide alot?
screen passes to barry? flea flickers? shotgun on every pass?
Come on wake up,if he is doing it so much then you should be able to stop it,
now if the thing is you scared of him tricking you then your defense ain't very efficient for both the run and the pass, so if you only play dime and is scared to go to a 3-4 well i think that puts you at fault for not trying take a risk.
But anyway who cares, if a guy keeps using the same plays over and over or formations and they don't work then he is an idiot that doesn't know how to call plays to much,
now if he keeps doing it and he's been effective then your the idiot cause you can't stop it,
and he's the smart one cause he keeps running an effectice play for him,
after all he's not exploiting the game, he is exploiting the weaknesses in your defense and not by programming or any of that sort, just a weakness in your defense that you put on that field,so i'm not a big believer of cheese right now.
Remember if you were lined up in a flag football game and the guy that was covering you was easy as a left-right jab and deep and hasn't shown you he can shut you down on that move effectively your gonna keep on doing it, of course you gonna try other moves but that is your money move against him and it works cause he can't stop it,so the guy just sucks and should stop complaining to the refs wawawa that dude was cheesing me.

4.Fair player huh? so if you want to play a pansy kind of football all soft well i don't know but thats all i can think of a fair player, fair is somewhat a synonym with nice,
and fair does not resemble a straight player which in other words is a straight metal pipe with no bumps.
If you need to go on 5 wide as many times as you want you have to do it to try to win, not be a nice guy and pick someting that you know you don't really want to pick,therefore restraining your style.
If you like to no-huddle then no-huddle,only problem i've had with this is that they drain players so fast on 3-4 no huddle plays on madden and 2k5 but if this ain't the case on 2k8 then i see no reason not to no huddle whenever you want.


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The point i'm trying to make is everybody uses the word sim and i bet a ton dont even know what they're trying to say, stop using the word in a way that you don't mean it therefore, it won't cause confusion, and it will kill that general myth that everything someone doesn't like gets associated to SIM.
Be more detailed on what your trying to say.


'Hey johnny pick 3 popsicles out of those 5 ok.. what color do you want
orange,purple,blue,green,red?'
'I want popsicle, i want popsicle, i want popsicle.'

[henchmen]

Let's try a different approach:

Imagine you are training to be a pilot and you're in a Flight Simulator with your instructor. The 5 people ahead of you all passed and now it's your turn at the wheel. Instructor turns to you and says...

"Ok segasportslover, she's all your's. Take her away"

You proceed to take off and it's smooth sailing, so far so good. Then at around 10,000 ft you suddenly jerk the controls forward and slam on the throttle.

"Jimminy Christmas sportslover...What the h3ll's wrong with you?" he asks

You ignore him and start pulling back into multiple loop-to-loops and forcing violent turns and spins. The cockpit vibrates as you dart left and right and left again. WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!! Sirens and red light flash all around you.

The instructor pulls the kill switch and your exercise is over mid flight.

"Son. Before I fail you from this training school, do you mind telling me what in the world you were thinking about when you flew just now? Do you realize you just destroyed a multi-million dollar piece of machinery and endangered the lives of all 210 people on board? What in the hell's wrong with you?"

and the only intelligent thing you can possibly squander out from the back of your play-doh lined cranium is...



"It's not real."

"This isn't a real plane. There aren't any real people out in a cabin somewhere. Besides..I paid for this school. This is MY time to fly. I'm gonna fly however I want to fly. If I feel like nosediving the plane into the ocean, I can. I don't care how planes are supposed to be flown. It's a stupid little animation. It's not real."

FAILED

If you don't understand the concept and purpose behind a FLIGHT SIMULATOR, why bother signing up? It's the same with Simulation Video games. You don't understand what SIMULATION Football is and that's exactly how you guys sound when you try to defend non-sim gameplay. "It's not real football". Even the very creators of this very game refer to it as a Football SIMULATOR. Shall I attach documented proof?

There are 2 types of gamers out there. There's...

1. Those who want to REPLICATE or SIMULATE (there's that word again) the sport they are playing.

and

2. Those who could care less about realism and just want to cartoon it to win at a videogame. They completely remove the concept of realism and strip the sport down to its very core. "He's On Fire!!" That type of stuff.

The funny thing is...We understand your mentality towards videogames, you just don't understand ours. And THAT my friend, is the root of the problem and THAT'S why we'll never see eye to eye on the definition, meaning, and honor behind the word SIM.

Take Luck - You Too

[hlhbk]

I will quit on any person who does not play the game the way football was meant to be played. End of story.

What do I mean? Punt on 4th down, audible out of a play over and over again because it can't be stopped. Not playing as a real NFL or NCAA team would in general. I play these games for a realistic experience, and if you are gonna cheese your way to a victory then you suck.

I had someone complain that i pass all the time. I have Fred Blitnicoff, and Rice as WR, along with a bronze TE, Ken Stabler (Silver Star), and all stars on the oline so i was able to do this. I am a Raiders fan, so I know this can be done in real football (02 raiders that went to the superbowl did the same thing with gannon, Rice, and Brown). I am 13-1, and every time I score i use a different play and run it as designed. The only time I lost was to a guy that did what I listed above. It is bull that you have to resort to cheating to win.

[AllBusiness34]

hlhbk....that's not cheating....all of football isn't played in one style. pete carroll goes for it all the time.

[hlhbk]

to Hooman1884: its realistic and has been done before in real life. If you get a great D you can stop me. It is completely different than using the same cheese play over and over again.

[hlhbk]

hlhbk....that's not cheating....all of football isn't played in one style. pete carroll goes for it all the time.

"audible out of a play over and over again because it can't be stopped." that is what really bothers me.

[hooman1844]

Show me a team that has never passed.

[hlhbk]

Show me a team that has never passed.
i didn't say i never pass. i said that is primarily what i do. I run about 10-15 times a game.

[hooman1844]

And it's kinda bull that you have to resort to all passing to win, too.

[hlhbk]

how is going for it occasionally and audibling not realistic?
I don't think you guys get what I am saying. If you go for it every time (including when you are at your own 20), and audibling every play to a play that is unstoppable is what i am talking about. Occasionally audibling, and going for it like a real team would is fine.

[hlhbk]

And it's kinda bull that you have to resort to all passing to win, too.

its realistic and has been done before in real life. If you get a great D you can stop me. It is completely different than using the same cheese play over and over again.

[AllBusiness34]

its realistic and has been done before in real life. If you get a great D you can stop me. It is completely different than using the same cheese play over and over again.how is going for it occasionally and audibling not realistic?

[henchmen]

BTW segsportslover: The Play-Doh lined cranium comment was a generalization quirk for the sake of the story and meant to describe the Unsim way of thinking as opposed to being a direct flame or attack on you. The story was obviously fictitious.

My apologies

[baandje]

4.Fair player huh? so if you want to play a pansy kind of football all soft well i don't know but thats all i can think of a fair player, fair is somewhat a synonym with nice,
and fair does not resemble a straight player which in other words is a straight metal pipe with no bumps.
Fair play is pansy, huh? Wow. Don’t ever join a debating team, whatever you do. Sorry, but opinions don’t count when the subject has to do with what's realistic according to NFL stats and standards.

You started this thread using the guy who runs Campbell as an example, so let’s go back and take a look at that whole situation. He’s running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls. That’s cheese. And it’s cheese for two very obvious reasons. First, no NFL team runs the ball anywhere near 90% of the time. Here are the NFL league leaders last year, broken down into total run plays versus pass plays:

Atlanta 537 run 416 pass
San Diego 522 run 466 pass

New Orleans 580 pass 472 run
Indianapolis 557 pass 439 run

No NFL team runs the ball any more than 60% of the time. In other words, running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls means the guy is cheesing 30% of the entire game.

Second, the guy who is running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls, is running Campbell every time he calls a running play. That’s cheese. KC’s Larry Johnson had the most run attempts last year: 416. KC ran the ball 516 times. SD ran the ball 466 times, and Tomlinson had 348 carries. In other words, if the guy who is running Campbell doesn’t give the ball to another back 20-30% of the time, that’s cheese.

Giving the ball to Campbell every running play means the guy is cheesing an additional 20% of the time.

Bottom-line: the guy running Campbell like that, is spending up the half the game cheesing. Those are the SIM facts, period.

[killamanjaro]

Let's try a different approach:

Imagine you are training to be a pilot and you're in a Flight Simulator with your instructor. The 5 people ahead of you all passed and now it's your turn at the wheel. Instructor turns to you and says...

"Ok segasportslover, she's all your's. Take her away"

You proceed to take off and it's smooth sailing, so far so good. Then at around 10,000 ft you suddenly jerk the controls forward and slam on the throttle.

"Jimminy Christmas sportslover...What the h3ll's wrong with you?" he asks

You ignore him and start pulling back into multiple loop-to-loops and forcing violent turns and spins. The cockpit vibrates as you dart left and right and left again. WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!! Sirens and red light flash all around you.

The instructor pulls the kill switch and your exercise is over mid flight.

"Son. Before I fail you from this training school, do you mind telling me what in the world you were thinking about when you flew just now? Do you realize you just destroyed a multi-million dollar piece of machinery and endangered the lives of all 210 people on board? What in the hell's wrong with you?"

and the only intelligent thing you can possibly squander out from the back of your play-doh lined cranium is...



"It's not real."

"This isn't a real plane. There aren't any real people out in a cabin somewhere. Besides..I paid for this school. This is MY time to fly. I'm gonna fly however I want to fly. If I feel like nosediving the plane into the ocean, I can. I don't care how planes are supposed to be flown. It's a stupid little animation. It's not real."

FAILED

If you don't understand the concept and purpose behind a FLIGHT SIMULATOR, why bother signing up? It's the same with Simulation Video games. You don't understand what SIMULATION Football is and that's exactly how you guys sound when you try to defend non-sim gameplay. "It's not real football". Even the very creators of this very game refer to it as a Football SIMULATOR. Shall I attach documented proof?

There are 2 types of gamers out there. There's...

1. Those who want to REPLICATE or SIMULATE (there's that word again) the sport they are playing.

and

2. Those who could care less about realism and just want to cartoon it to win at a videogame. They completely remove the concept of realism and strip the sport down to its very core. "He's On Fire!!" That type of stuff.

The funny thing is...We understand your mentality towards videogames, you just don't understand ours. And THAT my friend, is the root of the problem and THAT'S why we'll never see eye to eye on the definition, meaning, and honor behind the word SIM.

Take Luck - You Too
Can I get an AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[atomdomb]

i have read all this stuff about sim and not sim and it is very tiring. if i run right and pick up 10 yards, i am going to do it again. and again. and again. and again. until the other guy changes his defense(more blitzing, different formation) to stop me. same in the nfl. if something works then they do it again and again. the one problem we have with this game is nfl defensive coordinators are not stupid like many that play this game. someone who thinks real "sim" will figure out a way to stop my exploit of the right side of his defense and force me to do something else. i'm sorry if the guy on the other side of the ball doesn't have the football mind or stick skills to stop the run. maybe, he should pick more special abilities players for defense instead of loading up on offense. nfl football is all about making a team do something other than what works for them. that's sim.

[baandje]

i have read all this stuff about sim and not sim and it is very tiring. if i run right and pick up 10 yards, i am going to do it again. and again. and again. and again.
And that's cheese. Very tiring, cheese.

[puMa tic]

And that's cheese. Very tiring, cheese.

Apparently, the definition of "cheese" is: A word shouted at the top of a losing opponent's lungs when the opponent fails to adapt to play styles.

[baandje]

Apparently, the definition of "cheese" is: A word shouted at the top of a losing opponent's lungs when the opponent fails to adapt to play styles.
Nope. Cheese is playing the game in a non-sim style. If you run every play using Earl Campbell, that's not sim. That's playing the game in a non-sim way and exploiting Earl Campbell's over-charged abilities, in order to win. The focus is on doing whatever it takes to win, rather than playing the game in a realistic manner. And that's cheese.

[TheMan46112]

I wont play people who type "SIM ONLY" , "NO CHESSERS" every one I have faced has had the worst sportsmanship. I am dead serious about this. They call everything they do "SIM" and everything you do "CHEESE".

You want a SIM game go play the SIMS for the PC you bunch of babies. LOL

[thePLAGUE]

Banje wrote:"
You started this thread using the guy who runs Campbell as an example, so let’s go back and take a look at that whole situation. He’s running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls. That’s cheese. And it’s cheese for two very obvious reasons. First, no NFL team runs the ball anywhere near 90% of the time. Here are the NFL league leaders last year, broken down into total run plays versus pass plays:

Atlanta 537 run 416 pass
San Diego 522 run 466 pass

New Orleans 580 pass 472 run
Indianapolis 557 pass 439 run
"


Thats where you are wrong my friend. Ther reason NFL teams dont run the ball 90% is because they get stopped...Trust me, if they could run the same play over and over and the other team couldnt stop it they would....I agree 100% with the guy who made the thread...Some people are just comrfortable being mediocre. Those are the people who always want to play fair and spread cheer when they play sports...Herman Edwards said it best " You play to WIN"...That is not Cheese...Real cheese is when I have to change my gameplan to make my opponent have a good time...Football is not a picnic...If you cant stop the rushing game dont step on the field or in our case ONLINE...Did you watch Tim Tebow last year?....He is the reason Florida won the National Championship in college football...This guy was put in as QB only to rush for a TD 98% of the time....Everybody in the Stadium knew what he was going to do when he came in but nobody could stop him...He ran the same play 90% of the time and scored 90%...Is that cheese?

Grow up and become men for once...Learn the game of football...Dont complain because somebody wants to go for it on 4th...Just stop it....Its a risk they are willing to take...Amazing how you dont complain when they turn the ball over on a bonehead 4th down attempt on their side of the field...If you want SIM play the computer.


Only thing I ask is that my opponent dosent freeze the game but quitiing is fine...

[Kornnickel]

This shows very poor defensive coordnator skills if you ask me. Earl Campbell runs right every play and U can't stop it. That's not cheese. U need to adjust to his play calling. I wish someone would run on me 90% of the time.

Where as my team is setup to stop the run....someone needs to study the game.....and if it's the person with all his picks on offense....Good for you. U shouldn't be able to stop the run with one or two stars on Def. Unless your skills are mad nice.

[Sub-Zedox]

The reason why people like to play like real football because if someone keeps going for it on 4th down and you keep stopping it, most likely you're going to keep scoring on them EARLY. Then the game is a blowout, then there's no fun.

Cheesing: Doing the same play over and over. It's annoying. It is like a little kid screaming the same thing over and over again while you are trying to do something. Or an unfunny friend using the same joke everyday to the point where you just want to punch him/her.

Players don't complain about people who can't stop the cheese plays, they complain because they CAN and will stop it. No one likes an easy win. Everyone likes a challenging hunt. It's like you were trying to catch a certain fish your whole life and when you finally catch it, it feels like accomplishment. It's something you would tell your grandsons about. You don't tell them about your best fish catch (your hardest win) and the one that got away (your most disappointing loss). That's the gratification. That's why people play the game like that. That's the way you see it on tv, you play in high school, college, outside. Everyone watches a close game, no one cares for blowouts.

That is why we call it "Sim."

(That was like a little speech...lol.)

[Birdman1702]

Actually, if you want to know the truth about Tebow....he had 89 rushing attempts and 33 passing attempts last year. It doesn't exactly look like he ran the ball 98% of the time. Even though they were VERY succesful with him running the ball...they still chose to pass with him about 30% of the time.

[ScottyP]

Everyone arguing over something so totally stupid.

My one and only rule that I would ask people to abide by when they play me: don't exploit glitches in the game mechanics or AI. Plain and simple, end of story.

People cry because it's not "sim" to run the ball 10 times straight to the right side??? Get over it. Man up and stop the run. My goal is to move the ball down the field. If that means I run you over repeatedly, or pass to the same receiver time and time again, so be it. Until you can stop it, I'm going to keep abusing your D.

Most of the complaints that I read about what is "not sim" come from the offensive side of the ball.

"You went for it on, 4th ... you're not sim"
"You ran/passed too much .... you're not sim"
"You lobbed the ball ... you're not sim"

Most of the complaints seem to stem from people who just can't figure out how to play defense. Who cares if they go for it on 4th and long. That means you have just stopped them the 3 previous attempts. Stop them again. They are running or passing too much? Change your defense.

I agree that going for it on 4th and long isn't always realistic, but it is their strategy and if it backfires on them, so be it. The only reason NFL teams don't do it more often is because they know they will get stuffed the majority of the time. Otherwise you'd see it more often.

Don't confuse bad play calling and strategizing with cheese. To me, cheese is exploiting the games fundamental design.

[Xtotheca]

Just b\c you play a video game to have fun doesnt mean you have to be a NFL Street fan lol....thats what I was trying to explain in the other thread. Not every one is bent on simulating real life when they get a game......If you hold playing a video game "sim style" in the same category as failing a flight simulation...lol man thats a whole different story. Me? im too competitive to go for it everytime on 4th...b\c I want to win and get good feild position...but I dont fault a person who does. I mean if a person rushes for 5 on 1st down, then rushes for 5 on 2nd, is he supposed to pass the wjole next set of downs to make a SIM player happy?

I dont understand why you cant just play the game to have fun

"If they aint glitchin', stop trippin"

[segasportslover]

Let's try a different approach:

Imagine you are training to be a pilot and you're in a Flight Simulator with your instructor. The 5 people ahead of you all passed and now it's your turn at the wheel. Instructor turns to you and says...

"Ok segasportslover, she's all your's. Take her away"

You proceed to take off and it's smooth sailing, so far so good. Then at around 10,000 ft you suddenly jerk the controls forward and slam on the throttle.

"Jimminy Christmas sportslover...What the h3ll's wrong with you?" he asks

You ignore him and start pulling back into multiple loop-to-loops and forcing violent turns and spins. The cockpit vibrates as you dart left and right and left again. WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!! Sirens and red light flash all around you.

The instructor pulls the kill switch and your exercise is over mid flight.

"Son. Before I fail you from this training school, do you mind telling me what in the world you were thinking about when you flew just now? Do you realize you just destroyed a multi-million dollar piece of machinery and endangered the lives of all 210 people on board? What in the hell's wrong with you?"

and the only intelligent thing you can possibly squander out from the back of your play-doh lined cranium is...



"It's not real."

"This isn't a real plane. There aren't any real people out in a cabin somewhere. Besides..I paid for this school. This is MY time to fly. I'm gonna fly however I want to fly. If I feel like nosediving the plane into the ocean, I can. I don't care how planes are supposed to be flown. It's a stupid little animation. It's not real."

FAILED

If you don't understand the concept and purpose behind a FLIGHT SIMULATOR, why bother signing up? It's the same with Simulation Video games. You don't understand what SIMULATION Football is and that's exactly how you guys sound when you try to defend non-sim gameplay. "It's not real football". Even the very creators of this very game refer to it as a Football SIMULATOR. Shall I attach documented proof?

There are 2 types of gamers out there. There's...

1. Those who want to REPLICATE or SIMULATE (there's that word again) the sport they are playing.

and

2. Those who could care less about realism and just want to cartoon it to win at a videogame. They completely remove the concept of realism and strip the sport down to its very core. "He's On Fire!!" That type of stuff.

The funny thing is...We understand your mentality towards videogames, you just don't understand ours. And THAT my friend, is the root of the problem and THAT'S why we'll never see eye to eye on the definition, meaning, and honor behind the word SIM.

Take Luck - You Too

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Ok first off let me start by saying that if anyone did what i typed i would've considered them cheesers, but now that i've opened my mind a lil bit, i've though about it and it doesn't make sense how everything you do on the field is considered cheap, so i made this thread to try to get people away from naive interpretetion of SIM and ventilate a bit;
now i will quote your reply.

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Well you are certainly using a terible analogy from my poit of view, in your post we're
dealing with aREALdeal, there's humans life at cost,there's your chance of being a pilot up in the air and all that.

Flying a plane is a life or death situation, you fly how you want AT YOUR OWN RISK, but
if you want to fly safely you drive how mostly every other pilot drive's a plane,so yes the pilot would be reflecting other pilots by keeping himself and the 210 passengers aboard safely and a chance at his license,all on the SIMULATOR.


I mean is this like comparing how you go flirt to a girl?
I mean just cause most guy's take a nice hands of sweet approach you have to do it cause you were playing A Dating Simulator or even in real life? i mean can't you just BE YOURSELF, can't you try and make the girl laugh and show your jkester side to her? Ok.
So in reteference to exploiting he is not killing nobody to flirt with that girl right?
if the guys are giving him a chance at her, why would he not keep throwing game at her?
now he's pounding to where he's being given a chance.
Now if a guy wanted to flirt with her to, he would step up you know and that will mean stopping the cheese LoL.

Hey Mr.Kabayahsi you are a loser for stuffing so many hot dogs in your mouth and beating me in the competition as i eat a hot dog like most people do, you do not reflect a real human being for eating like that and scoring so much points like that under 12 minutes.
Point here is people would never mention no-sim or cheese the majority of the time , if those plays weren't effective as they are on that certain complaining individual,
or if they wouldn't got their *** handed to them on a plate with ketchup.

Now walking the cord from the 25th floor like most magician's try, that's how your plane comparison sounds, OF COURSE HE GOTS TO DO IT LIKE MOST PERFORMERS DO IT BECAUSE ITS A LIFE OR DEATH THING AND ITS A REAL SITUATION THAT'S THREATHENING HIS LIFE, AND NOTHING YOU SHOULD BE TOYING AROUND WITH TO MUCH for your safety's sake.

Now let's get into the VIRTUAL world, where you can die a billion times and play a trillion,
you play how you want to play hmm yea to a ceratin extent as long as your not exploiting the game, but just your opponent weaknesses, in other words people should play how they want and you should leave them alone and mind your own business, unless he is exploiting the game unless of course you are bitter graped, and thinks everything is cheap because of the naive cloud thats the size of a tumor in most of peoples head.

A game console is for the sole purpose of entertainment,and i think it's stated in every booklet of a console and video game that hacking,exploiting and diting the game hexes is illegal,and that's how online gaming should be pertrayed, play your game do what you do but dont exploit the game just cause its a reachable parameter or just cause you have the ability to that parameter.

Now another issue, there is not a sports game even close to a true sport simlulator, cause no sports game is a real simulaiton reflecting a sport, i think quarterbacks see from inside their helmet and not the camera on top, i think reading a pass is not as easy as seing it from above,and even if it was played in 1st peson it is still not a simulation the thing i mentioned is nothing compared to what a simluator should be for football.
So what your getting and been getting is a sports entertainment software, a freaking videogame.


Whoever wants to play a football simulator..well.. there is none so yes you can try o simlute how yuo think most teams play, but think you don't know is they run different plays cause the other team might be good at stopping certain plays they did once or keep off balance while having a money play, be sure if a nfl coach ran up the middle and it kept working he will doi t, of course he is gonna run different plays cause come on its 60 minutes not 5 per quarter, and on the passing side hey your gonna run the same play over and over passing because corners are humans unless its screens and think and its not a programmed ai that is programmed to your play and its ingame smarts, the human intelligence is lacking but hey its a video game after all, and were far from games looking lifelike and playing like humans, thats why i think there is online options for sports games these days.

Rich rodirguez sure is a turd for running the cheese offense at WVU right fellas? it was unstoppable to 11 teams but one stopped it so everything is stoppable if there was a superior group but it was unstopabble to the least talented,smart or least playmaking
defenses or defense that ran a weak scheme, bottom line is everything is stoppable,
but some players might not be so great and they all might agree that dude is pure cheese, but there is always someone better than you and better than him that hasn't met than mastermind on the offesnive side.

Pittsburgh at colts, sometimes to stop aggrsiveness and a great offense you have risk and you what you gotta do.
SS polamalu was sent to blitz alot, they blitzed 8 in the box and they played a great confusing scheme, you can try to be the aggresor but if pitt didnt run its great defensive confusing scheme then its just a simple all blitz.
Look at patriots defense,screens,short passes, oh wait West Coast Offense pure cheese,
young is a pansy for running and throwing short , he doesnt reflect a real qb's that stay in the pocket and take a sack or throw it away, oh wait nvm Bill Walsh is a cheeser for
running a offense no real coach runs LoL, that was bill walsh style, i hope y'll get the point don't worry what people say just play your football without exploiting the game, of course
so just be you and dont abide your game to the others weaknesses so others can feel better about there sorry selves, you are either a vicktor or a loser, and you have to accept which ever the outcome is.



The BULLY BULLS YOU AND HITS YOU ONLY UNTIL YOU WANT TO.

[segasportslover]

"If they aint glitchin', stop trippin"



Couldn't have been said better, wake up and HENCE THAT PHRASE FELLAS.

[minelevation]

Who wants to play someone who is exploiting the game Period. Alot of people do not know how to play the game period they treat this game like they are playing halo. So they see a glitch or a certain play they can take advantage of to win and they cheese. When your good at cheesing does not mean your good at playing defense or offense or a good football player.

NOw when you know football and you know how the game should be played there is a difference.

For example I stop playing 2k7 online because to many people would cheese trying to dunk everytime to me thats cheese not setting up plays or spreading the game outside of just dunking. NOw if you have phoenix and its run & gun pick and roll ppick and pop thats sim to me . For me I try to play the game how i see it on tv. I use detroit so i will run rip around screens play the high post with tashuan or shoot threes with rasheed of picks. I am not trying to dunk with Billups

Cheesing sucks I know its just a video game but where is the challenge when someone is repetetive in play calling or their game is repetetive and you can stop it. I want a challenge on the field with different play calling on offense and defense not trying to stop a guy every play trying to throw to rice 60 yards down field. A complete waist of time I totally agree with run and shoot play sim or kick rocks

[Xtotheca]

Who wants to play someone who is exploiting the game Period. Alot of people do not know how to play the game period they treat this game like they are playing halo. So they see a glitch or a certain play they can take advantage of to win and they cheese. When your good at cheesing does not mean your good at playing defense or offense or a good football player.

NOw when you know football and you know how the game should be played there is a difference.

For example I stop playing 2k7 online because to many people would cheese trying to dunk everytime to me thats cheese not setting up plays or spreading the game outside of just dunking. NOw if you have phoenix and its run & gun pick and roll ppick and pop thats sim to me . For me I try to play the game how i see it on tv. I use detroit so i will run rip around screens play the high post with tashuan or shoot threes with rasheed of picks. I am not trying to dunk with Billups

Cheesing sucks I know its just a video game but where is the challenge when someone is repetetive in play calling or their game is repetetive and you can stop it. I want a challenge on the field with different play calling on offense and defense not trying to stop a guy every play trying to throw to rice 60 yards down field. A complete waist of time I totally agree with run and shoot play sim or kick rocks

^^^^
I say the same thing on the NBA boards, I can stop a guy from spinning in the lane\ hop stepping in the lane all game with the charge button....thats why I could care less if they did it....I say just find a way to counteract it and keep it moving...

[GPTkid]

Looks like ima have some trouple with some ppl online....trying to tell me how to play my game and what plays to pick...lol

[Darkheath]

Fair play is pansy, huh? Wow. Don’t ever join a debating team, whatever you do. Sorry, but opinions don’t count when the subject has to do with what's realistic according to NFL stats and standards.

You started this thread using the guy who runs Campbell as an example, so let’s go back and take a look at that whole situation. He’s running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls. That’s cheese. And it’s cheese for two very obvious reasons. First, no NFL team runs the ball anywhere near 90% of the time. Here are the NFL league leaders last year, broken down into total run plays versus pass plays:

Atlanta 537 run 416 pass
San Diego 522 run 466 pass

New Orleans 580 pass 472 run
Indianapolis 557 pass 439 run

No NFL team runs the ball any more than 60% of the time. In other words, running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls means the guy is cheesing 30% of the entire game.

Second, the guy who is running Campbell 90% of the plays he calls, is running Campbell every time he calls a running play. That’s cheese. KC’s Larry Johnson had the most run attempts last year: 416. KC ran the ball 516 times. SD ran the ball 466 times, and Tomlinson had 348 carries. In other words, if the guy who is running Campbell doesn’t give the ball to another back 20-30% of the time, that’s cheese.

Giving the ball to Campbell every running play means the guy is cheesing an additional 20% of the time.

Bottom-line: the guy running Campbell like that, is spending up the half the game cheesing. Those are the SIM facts, period.


Wow.... "Cheese Math"! Nice...

[segasportslover]

Now on nba hmm, on 2k6 i played kobe and lebron paint dunksters is it resembling real nba? no , but i don't care it's hes style of play one man team,so if you shut it down he'd probably wont make any jumpers.

I didn't really dunk cause i though it was cheap but with thismindset i have now i would of course not the whole time cause i think im smarter than that but, whenever i want to dunk on 2k6 there were soem bad *** ballers that had the lane stuffed birck wall.

Also i got *****ed for shooting to many 3's or to many mid range jumpers, come on man you gotta time the jumper.

But the dunkaholism is stoppable, thing is not to many knew how.

Also people than ranwith diop to block guards,if it was now i will penetrate and penetrate all day, simple.

[Darkheath]

My posts before Jan 2007 are trash because i was childish and immature.

And your posts now are like:

Silver dollars in a five gallon bucket of diarrhea.

I think there are some good ideas in there, but it's nasty going in to fish them out.

[henchmen]

You missed the entire boat about the flight Simulator dude. It wasn't about the people's lives at stake as much as it was about what the PURPOSE of a SIMULATOR is. You are trying to teach people the "proper way" to fly a plane. The SIMULATOR is as close to the real thing as possible. You grab the controls and destroy the flying lesson. You're not interested in SIMULATING the flight of an aircraft...you just want to fly all around God's Green Earth to have fun.

I'm not trying to tell people what kind of plays to call. I'm just saying there are PLENTY, and I mean PLENTY of gamers like me who buy these types of games to SIMULATE the experiences we see on Sunday afternoons and Monday Nights. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I already told you we are 2 different types of gamers.

I play to SIMULATE..You play to deface the game for the sake of winning at all costs. I'm cool with that. It's apparent there are just as many people who buy these games for the FUN of it and not necessarily because they want to SIMULATE a Football experience.

Guys like you who see nothing wrong with doing 6 consecutive PA Rollout pattern Lobs to your TE and going for 4th and 6 all over the field should have your own space to do so. I don't think the 2 worlds should have to mix together. I honestly HATE gamers like you and it destroys the fun of the game. You want me to respect your game or consider you GOOD? Open up your playbook, bring out your Punter every once in a blue moon and keep it real. I usually just play the guys I know but for the last 2 nights, I've played guys I didn't know and hated every last second of it.

Bottom line: We need SIM lobbies for guys who can't stand wasting an hour of their lives playing junkball.

[The_Gamefather]

And your posts now are like:

Silver dollars in a five gallon bucket of diarrhea.

I think there are some good ideas in there, but it's nasty going in to fish them out.

Get outta the poop pile, right now, mister. LOL

[Mumbai_01]

Its called sim for people who use earl cambell, hecki just run and run and run over people break 100 tackles, and therefore i play sim. And whoever doesn't uses earl and wants to play the game they way they play is not sim, as i like passing on everydown. Oakland raiders couple years back used to pass 40-50 times a game, was that not real football. I want to do quick offense, i do, stop it if u can. By the way i am ranked 19 on ps3

Sim is play however u want, except going on 4th downs, and doing stupid things like two pt conversions

[Darkheath]

BTW, henchmen... no one else mentioned it, but I thought your Flight Simulator analogy was on target.

AND... I didn't have to swim through the turds to get to it. Thank you for being literate! It's a shame you have to say that nowadays... :-p

Hit me up. I should be on tonight. (For a little while... only a little while... NOT all night again... D'oh!) I play your way. Do you headset?

[henchmen]

BTW, henchmen... no one else mentioned it, but I thought your Flight Simulator analogy was on target.

AND... I didn't have to swim through the turds to get to it. Thank you for being literate! It's a shame you have to say that nowadays... :-p

Hit me up. I should be on tonight. (For a little while... only a little while... NOT all night again... D'oh!) I play your way. Do you headset?

Thank You Darkheath, I'm glad somebody understood the point I was trying to make. I'm on the PS3 man and yes I do have a headset. I don't use it that much cause I catch myself yappin' instead of concentrating but I suppose I could dig it up.

Any chance you're PS3? I'm going on in about 20 minutes to play a friend and then I'm free. Fingers crossed you are cause I could use a good honest game.

[Darkheath]

Thank You Darkheath, I'm glad somebody understood the point I was trying to make. I'm on the PS3 man and yes I do have a headset. I don't use it that much cause I catch myself yappin' instead of concentrating but I suppose I could dig it up.

Any chance you're PS3? I'm going on in about 20 minutes to play a friend and then I'm free. Fingers crossed you are cause I could use a good honest game.


Eh... sorry. Xbox. There's nothing really on the PS3, or PS2 for that matter, that would make me buy those systems.

But... use the headset anyway, you are way less likely to have someone pull that cheap c.rap while he's talking to you. Yes... I lose concentration occasionally, but it still makes it a much better overall experience. I mean... I like to win... I try to win... but I don't HAVE to win. So it's no big deal.

[haywood]

I have played 2k football since the Dreamcast's NFL2K. In the beginning I didnt care how anyone played. Now. however, it matters more than anything. I couldnt care less if I get drubbed every game. The guys who keep me off guard with smart play calling and mad stick control...props to them! Guys who are so narrow-minded that all they can do is rush in repeatedly with a super fast DE or fling bomb after bomb to the fastest WR? No props whatsoever.
What do I enjoy about the game? Picking a pass with my manually controlled safety. Many folks wont even use a safety because they'd "just rather control a DE." Translation? It actually takes some skill to control a DB and guess where the next pass will be going. What skill does it take to jam on turbo with a super-fast guy and blow by a fat, slow tackle? Not much. All Im sayin is play however you want...but if you go for it on 4th from your own 20 or lob deep bombs on every play you wont find many folks who have fun playing with you...and you wont find many people who want to play you again. As posted earlier...there are 2 distinct styles surrounded by a lotta gray area. I am 80% sim/20% fun. You definitely can actually be both. Peace guys.

[Darkheath]

I have played 2k football since the Dreamcast's NFL2K. In the beginning I didnt care how anyone played. Now. however, it matters more than anything. I couldnt care less if I get drubbed every game. The guys who keep me off guard with smart play calling and mad stick control...props to them! Guys who are so narrow-minded that all they can do is rush in repeatedly with a super fast DE or fling bomb after bomb to the fastest WR? No props whatsoever.
What do I enjoy about the game? Picking a pass with my manually controlled safety. Many folks wont even use a safety because they'd "just rather control a DE." Translation? It actually takes some skill to control a DB and guess where the next pass will be going. What skill does it take to jam on turbo with a super-fast guy and blow by a fat, slow tackle? Not much. All Im sayin is play however you want...but if you go for it on 4th from your own 20 or lob deep bombs on every play you wont find many folks who have fun playing with you...and you wont find many people who want to play you again. As posted earlier...there are 2 distinct styles surrounded by a lotta gray area. I am 80% sim/20% fun. You definitely can actually be both. Peace guys.


I AM an Xboxer.

Oh... and one of those skillless DL users. Not only am I too skillless to use a DB... I rarely get sacks as a DL! Now THAT'S skillless!

If you use a headset... I'm Darkheath2.

[Xtotheca]

You missed the entire boat about the flight Simulator dude. It wasn't about the people's lives at stake as much as it was about what the PURPOSE of a SIMULATOR is. You are trying to teach people the "proper way" to fly a plane. The SIMULATOR is as close to the real thing as possible. You grab the controls and destroy the flying lesson. You're not interested in SIMULATING the flight of an aircraft...you just want to fly all around God's Green Earth to have fun.

I'm not trying to tell people what kind of plays to call. I'm just saying there are PLENTY, and I mean PLENTY of gamers like me who buy these types of games to SIMULATE the experiences we see on Sunday afternoons and Monday Nights. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I already told you we are 2 different types of gamers.

I play to SIMULATE..You play to deface the game for the sake of winning at all costs. I'm cool with that. It's apparent there are just as many people who buy these games for the FUN of it and not necessarily because they want to SIMULATE a Football experience.

Guys like you who see nothing wrong with doing 6 consecutive PA Rollout pattern Lobs to your TE and going for 4th and 6 all over the field should have your own space to do so. I don't think the 2 worlds should have to mix together. I honestly HATE gamers like you and it destroys the fun of the game. You want me to respect your game or consider you GOOD? Open up your playbook, bring out your Punter every once in a blue moon and keep it real. I usually just play the guys I know but for the last 2 nights, I've played guys I didn't know and hated every last second of it.

Bottom line: We need SIM lobbies for guys who can't stand wasting an hour of their lives playing junkball.

lol why hate a gamer? mister video game integrity......calm down its not that serious
i think we should all just agree to disagree....theres people who take games like this extremely serious and some dont.........THOSE are your two types of gamers

[haywood]

Dang...hoping to find guys to play with and coming off as insulting, hehe. I actually dont mind the DL rushing because it isnt as effective as it used to be. Most people I play with do it...havent convinced all of them of the fun they will have trying to defend the pass...ah well. Yes sir btw...I love to play! Haywood is my tag.

[sportsgeist]

I played a guy today that forced me to play unrealistically (not sim). He scored a TD first and kicked a PAT. I scored and kicked a PAT. I recovered a fumble on the kickoff. The guy actually blocked my PAT. So I was faced with taking a chance on him keep blocking my PATs or going for 2 points. I chose going for 2 points. I ended up wininng 33-29.

Although I don't like going for 2 unless I really have to but this guy got close to blocking my first PAT and actuallly got my second one. He was also the first guy I played that didn't go for it on 4th down until he was losing. I stopped him on the goaline with seconds left. He was trying to run out the clock and got caught.

Moral of the story when they don't play sim you don't play sim.

[segasportslover]

You missed the entire boat about the flight Simulator dude. It wasn't about the people's lives at stake as much as it was about what the PURPOSE of a SIMULATOR is. You are trying to teach people the "proper way" to fly a plane. The SIMULATOR is as close to the real thing as possible. You grab the controls and destroy the flying lesson. You're not interested in SIMULATING the flight of an aircraft...you just want to fly all around God's Green Earth to have fun.

I'm not trying to tell people what kind of plays to call. I'm just saying there are PLENTY, and I mean PLENTY of gamers like me who buy these types of games to SIMULATE the experiences we see on Sunday afternoons and Monday Nights. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I already told you we are 2 different types of gamers.

I play to SIMULATE..You play to deface the game for the sake of winning at all costs. I'm cool with that. It's apparent there are just as many people who buy these games for the FUN of it and not necessarily because they want to SIMULATE a Football experience.

Guys like you who see nothing wrong with doing 6 consecutive PA Rollout pattern Lobs to your TE and going for 4th and 6 all over the field should have your own space to do so. I don't think the 2 worlds should have to mix together. I honestly HATE gamers like you and it destroys the fun of the game. You want me to respect your game or consider you GOOD? Open up your playbook, bring out your Punter every once in a blue moon and keep it real. I usually just play the guys I know but for the last 2 nights, I've played guys I didn't know and hated every last second of it.

Bottom line: We need SIM lobbies for guys who can't stand wasting an hour of their lives playing junkball.

Look you play how you wanna play, i think your taking SIM to a severe extent of seriousness, thatswhy i made this thread to deface sim what people really should consider.

So Sim is simulating or simlator how you wanna call it, a real football team but if you'd actually played football and understanded why different pays gets call at time maybe you rethink about all this stuff a little bit, anyway there is nothing wrong about how you wanna run a team, if a guy does 50 rollouts is he a NFL SIMULATION PLAYER player? no right? cause he doesnt reflect on what you see nfl teams do, but he's doing plays that think are weak against your defense, just like teams do in real life, remember nfl teams setup weeks of scouting having a bajillion of choices of plays to run,having staff members that setup a gameplan and all that.

So whatever i'm about to eat now but hmm people think because someone is labeled no sim,he is a game exploiter or even a cheeser, live with it if you dont like people styles then create your own list, he goes for the same play over and over who gives a flying damn it about it, your opponent aint suppose to adapt to the opponents style or play to his liking, 'Hey Coach Linehan please dont throw screens to jackson alright just throw some corssing routers and slants cause i'm not an expert at playing defense and i have a big ego that makes be a spoiled brat about opponent that dont like to play as my liking.



And answer this hench what do you think of Hawwai offense,the WVU offense?
Cheese or a great offense most defense can't stop?

[Darkheath]

I played a guy today that forced me to play unrealistically (not sim). He scored a TD first and kicked a PAT. I scored and kicked a PAT. I recovered a fumble on the kickoff. The guy actually blocked my PAT. So I was faced with taking a chance on him keep blocking my PATs or going for 2 points. I chose going for 2 points. I ended up wininng 33-29.

Although I don't like going for 2 unless I really have to but this guy got close to blocking my first PAT and actuallly got my second one. He was also the first guy I played that didn't go for it on 4th down until he was losing. I stopped him on the goaline with seconds left. He was trying to run out the clock and got caught.

Moral of the story when they don't play sim you don't play sim.



Um... what's unSIM about getting close to blocking one and then blocking one? If he was using the glitch, that's one thing... and painfully obvious. But one blocked PAT? I think you overcompensated on this one.

[Darkheath]

Look you play how you wanna play, i think your taking SIM to a severe extent of seriousness, thatswhy i made this thread to deface sim what people really should consider.

So Sim is simulating or simlator how you wanna call it, a real football team but if you'd actually played football and understanded why different pays gets call at time maybe you rethink about all this stuff a little bit, anyway there is nothing wrong about how you wanna run a team, if a guy does 50 rollouts is he a NFL SIMULATION PLAYER player? no right? cause he doesnt reflect on what you see nfl teams do, but he's doing plays that think are weak against your defense, just like teams do in real life, remember nfl teams setup weeks of scouting having a bajillion of choices of plays to run,having staff members that setup a gameplan and all that.

So whatever i'm about to eat now but hmm people think because someone is labeled no sim,he is a game exploiter or even a cheeser, live with it if you dont like people styles then create your own list, he goes for the same play over and over who gives a flying damn it about it, your opponent aint suppose to adapt to the opponents style or play to his liking, 'Hey Coach Linehan please dont throw screens to jackson alright just throw some corssing routers and slants cause i'm not an expert at playing defense and i have a big ego that makes be a spoiled brat about opponent that dont like to play as my liking.



And answer this hench what do you think of Hawwai offense,the WVU offense?
Cheese or a great offense most defense can't stop?


Again... it looks like there are a few silver dollars in that bucket, but I ain't going in to get them. I just washed my hands!

[ninetyfourniner$]

Show me a team that has never passed.


Every football team in the early 1900s.

quote Jon Gruden: "The perfect play is a four yard run."

[NikePowered]

PS3 ? ? ? WTF D? ? ? .......Now I gotta drop 6 bills on a machine that I will only use to kick your :oss.........;) If GrillaP imp is still rollin with Cold let him know that I'm waitin for a rematch, and any1 else banging on the 360 controller, I'm always up for a gg. Thanks D, Peace to you and yours, God Bless. :cool:

[henchmen]

Oh man...you're on 360 Nike? Poop

Yah, you'd probably kick my rear end all over the field again anyhow but...always a good game.

Segasportslover: You're kinda getting my point now but you're still manipulating my words into something they're not. (My final comments on this) If you "gameplan" with a Bajillion plays...bring them to the field and be creative. Punt when you're supposed to punt. If I hold you to 3 and out, that's good defense. Pay some respects and PUNT instead of throwing realism out the window by going for 4th downs in unrealistic territory just because it's a videogame.

Because NOW if I can't stop your 4th down junk plays..." I suck" and "I can't stop you"

It's no longer a game of Football and I might as well sub in Mario and Luigi as my WRs and have Diddy Kong at QB.

RESPECT goes a long way. If you can't respect your opponents...at least respect the sport.

Peace

[baandje]

i have read all this stuff about sim and not sim and it is very tiring. if i run right and pick up 10 yards, i am going to do it again. and again. and again. and again. that's sim.
Oh okay, I get it. So it's okay then to play Madden, take Michael Vick, and run with him 60 plays a game. Good to know! As long as they can't stop me, it's SIM, right?

Funny all those people complaining all these years about how it's cheese to run with Vick, play after play. And now we find out it was actually sim football, all this time.

[baandje]

Punt when you're supposed to punt. If I hold you to 3 and out, that's good defense. Pay some respects and PUNT instead of throwing realism out the window by going for 4th downs in unrealistic territory just because it's a videogame.

Because NOW if I can't stop your 4th down junk plays..." I suck" and "I can't stop you"

It's no longer a game of Football and I might as well sub in Mario and Luigi as my WRs and have Diddy Kong at QB.

RESPECT goes a long way. If you can't respect your opponents...at least respect the sport.
No, you have it all wrong. As long as I have Earl Campbell or Michael Vick who can pick up 3 yards a play, then I never have to punt, ever! Because if you can't stop me, I can do whatever I want. And don't anyone tell me that's cheese. That's SIM football baby!

[baandje]

RESPECT goes a long way. If you can't respect your opponents...at least respect the sport.
Respect? What does that have to do with SIM, or with playing online? Respect is for pansies, I believe someone here pointed out. The people on this thread are into REAL sim football, meaning doing whatever it takes to win! If you can't respect the fact that I can run Earl Campbell 3 yards a play and therefore never have to choose any play except HB Dive - and with 3 yards a run, I never even have to punt! - then you don't respect SIM FOOTBALL, baby!

[puMa tic]

Punt when you're supposed to punt. If I hold you to 3 and out, that's good defense.

Wow, I didn't know it said anywhere in the NFL Rulebook that teams are SUPPOSED to punt on fourth down. Holding to a 3 and out is good defense, correct. So if someone wants to go on fourth down against you, why not continue this streak of goodness?

I also love how Darkheath flagrantly does not read segasportslovers' posts. "Eh, you might have some good ideas but realisticly I'll compare them to diarrhea just to discredit you."

[henchmen]

You're right man...It's not in the rulebook you HAVE to punt...but keeping things in perspective from a SIMULATION standpoint...Most coaches in ANY league would punt on 4th and 5 from their own 30yd line and that's what this topic is all about. SIM

Just like Flea Flickers. They are GIMMICK plays and always will be. Do I have an issue with someone using a Flea Flicker on me in a game? Of course not. Do I have an issue with 6 Flea Flickers in 1 game? You bet your Blueberry Pancakes I do.

Tell me..Anyone...

How many Flea Flickers have you seen in the NFL over the last 10 years?

(and be honest cause you're dealing with an NFL Ticket subscriber and an avid ESPN watcher)

How many?

SIMULATION people. We are defining the word SIMULATION

[Xtotheca]

you have NFL ticket? I do too, its tight......but now im completely confused......
as much real life football as you watch, you would think youd just play APF for fun......and not for a play by play copy of a real football game...

why not just get NFL Head Coach?

i mean, the whole thing is crazy b\c I punt on 4th down, im just defending a persons right not to....

I feel like the word "SIM" has been distorted completely

[rhythm]

as long as my opponent plays within league rules, and does not exploit glitches in the game then i could care less about his/her coaching philosophy....and that's what it comes down to different coaching philosophies...from what i have seen thus far, this game forces you to play within the rules.....i have yet to come across any money plays, which in my book are plays that can not be stopped because of poor programming(glitches) and not because of poor defense. plays that can not be stopped because of poor defense is your fault not your opponents...hurry up offense,a heavy ground attack, heavy pass attack,squib kicks are all part of someones coahing philosophy/gameplan.

this whole "cheese" thing started because there were/are exploits in certain football games that made some plays unstopable(money plays/glitches)....vick runs all over everyone in madden because of how madden is programmed and how the game plays...it is broken ,it completely disregards footballs physics and from the looks of it still has not been fixed.

2k used to have the problem with the super-runningbacks and bonehead DB's and everyone online was ricky williams. i don't see these problems in 2k8....db problem is fixed and the backs can be stopped with the proper defensensive adjustments...and forget about the QB running like a madman all over your defense in 2k8.

if you see earl campbel at the player team select screen you should be prepared for a heavy dose of the ground game, if you see jerry then be prepared for them to air it out..... i have created 7 teams and all are ready to handle any situation.

[ScottyP]

as long as my opponent plays within league rules, and does not exploit glitches in the game then i could care less about his/her coaching philosophy....and that's what it comes down to different coaching philosophies...from what i have seen thus far, this game forces you to play within the rules.....i have yet to come across any money plays, which in my book are plays that can not be stopped because of poor programming(glitches) and not because of poor defense. plays that can not be stopped because of poor defense is your fault not your opponents...hurry up offense,a heavy ground attack, heavy pass attack,squib kicks are all part of someones coahing philosophy/gameplan.

if you see earl campbel at the player team select screen you should be prepared for a heavy dose of the ground game, if you see jerry then be prepared for them to air it out..... i have created 7 teams and all are ready to handle any situation.

/thread

Exactly my thoughts :thumbsup:

[tutata]

as long as my opponent plays within league rules, and does not exploit glitches in the game then i could care less about his/her coaching philosophy....and that's what it comes down to different coaching philosophies...from what i have seen thus far, this game forces you to play within the rules.....i have yet to come across any money plays, which in my book are plays that can not be stopped because of poor programming(glitches) and not because of poor defense. plays that can not be stopped because of poor defense is your fault not your opponents...hurry up offense,a heavy ground attack, heavy pass attack,squib kicks are all part of someones coahing philosophy/gameplan.

this whole "cheese" thing started because there were/are exploits in certain football games that made some plays unstopable(money plays/glitches)....vick runs all over everyone in madden because of how madden is programmed and how the game plays...it is broken ,it completely disregards footballs physics and from the looks of it still has not been fixed.

2k used to have the problem with the super-runningbacks and bonehead DB's and everyone online was ricky williams. i don't see these problems in 2k8....db problem is fixed and the backs can be stopped with the proper defensensive adjustments...and forget about the QB running like a madman all over your defense in 2k8.

if you see earl campbel at the player team select screen you should be prepared for a heavy dose of the ground game, if you see jerry then be prepared for them to air it out..... i have created 7 teams and all are ready to handle any situation.

Thats the way I feel about the game too. I havent seen any exploits which is what I(emphasis on I) call cheese/not sim. I would prefer people who dont go for it on 4th down but most (80-90%) Im able to stop somebody that tries to go for it. Sure its annoying but I would say its bad strategy.

2K8 is a whole different monster from 2k5. Yes they are similar in a lot of ways but there is no more DL glitch, QB running, DBs really sucking on coverage. IMO all that has been improved a lot to the point where I can play against anybody and dont get upset.

I enjoy playing football. I hadnt play for 3 years. But its getting to the point where Im scared to play anybody (sim/no sim/cheese) because the concept is so subjective. What is cheese for me is not necessarily cheese for somebody else. People are whining about Earl Campbell. I have played against a couple of users that all the did was lineup in 4/5 wide and air it out. Is that cheese also because I had a hard time stopping it. I dont think so.

Like the poster before me say. Its all about matchups if he has a team stacked with QB and WRs I better bring my coverage team and he better be ready for a heavy dose of my running game. Hopefully we can realize/agree that the game has changed. You cant keep complaining about things that were wrong in 2k5 because they are not the same on 2k8.

[TheVisionary78]

Sorry to dig up an old thread but I am tired of illegal subs even from people on my friends lists. Subbing Safetys at LB to gain an unfair speed coverage advantage and or WR at TE. This is a warning to anyone I play from now on. If I see this crap I am going to play as dirty and evil as possible. You drew first blood not me. I will send one PM to remove your subs if you don't I will win at all costs. This game is almost 4 years old and my rep is good enough were I can afford some negetives. It's on.

[Superbuffundo]

ok nflhitman.

[Gunther]

wtf,......................

[nyknicks33]

yikes.......................

[TheVisionary78]

Sorry I might be going to jail for two months so I'm on edge.

[Superbuffundo]

Dwi?........

[BrandH]

Now this game is almost 4 years old. I must have really spaced out.:eek:

[TheVisionary78]

Dwi?........

Yup. Most likely fine and classes but Mass has really tough laws for DUI.

[Superbuffundo]

Move to NEW MEXICO. you may get thirty days, but with the right lawyer, you get 30 DWIs! ah.
whatcha blow? No more Drinkin n Drivin, its not about you its about others.

I only say because it is bad in my neck of the woods. We have a large Reservation and they arent allowed to even have alchohol let alone sell distribute, etc... so we get DWIs all the time. Day, night weekends weekdays. We just had a guy that was on a suspended liscense for a DW. he was driving and killed a Motorcycler. Then caught picked up on another DW 2 weeks later, thats 3. Ive admittedly done it wont do it again. GOODLUCK though

[GoodSense]

After i read the first two pages of Clark Kent 79 cutting the dude, i have nothing to say but that the guy is a loser and had made up rules to abide to his poor defensive game.


So my point is how bad the word sim get's misused.

So i'll describe here the sim's that are misintepreted.


1.Sim-Simulation just like a real football team would play.
In real life they no huddle and go on 4th down on situations even when winning.

2.Sim-Not exploiting game glitches.
Still i don't understand why this is called sim.

3.Sim-Not cheesing.
Hmm ok.

4.Sim-Fair player that doesn't go on 4th down or go 5 wide or no huddle.
Uhh ya ok.


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1.I'm not a big believe of this one trying to run your team as a real life football team is dumb, you should run your team how you want, as long as your not exploiting the game, so honestly hearing people say play like a real football team sounds absurd you running how you want, and as for cheese i' get to it on #3.

2.See this is a problem right here, i though in the first place 'SIM' was supposed to be about not exploiting the game and not go beyond what everything now is misintepreted as sim,but yet it was the wrong word to use, maybe a 'StraightPlayer' would've been great for a player that doesn't exploit the game glitches instead of using sim.

3.Cheesing? what is cheesing? running alot of the same plays going 5 wide alot?
screen passes to barry? flea flickers? shotgun on every pass?
Come on wake up,if he is doing it so much then you should be able to stop it,
now if the thing is you scared of him tricking you then your defense ain't very efficient for both the run and the pass, so if you only play dime and is scared to go to a 3-4 well i think that puts you at fault for not trying take a risk.
But anyway who cares, if a guy keeps using the same plays over and over or formations and they don't work then he is an idiot that doesn't know how to call plays to much,
now if he keeps doing it and he's been effective then your the idiot cause you can't stop it,
and he's the smart one cause he keeps running an effectice play for him,
after all he's not exploiting the game, he is exploiting the weaknesses in your defense and not by programming or any of that sort, just a weakness in your defense that you put on that field,so i'm not a big believer of cheese right now.
Remember if you were lined up in a flag football game and the guy that was covering you was easy as a left-right jab and deep and hasn't shown you he can shut you down on that move effectively your gonna keep on doing it, of course you gonna try other moves but that is your money move against him and it works cause he can't stop it,so the guy just sucks and should stop complaining to the refs wawawa that dude was cheesing me.

4.Fair player huh? so if you want to play a pansy kind of football all soft well i don't know but thats all i can think of a fair player, fair is somewhat a synonym with nice,
and fair does not resemble a straight player which in other words is a straight metal pipe with no bumps.
If you need to go on 5 wide as many times as you want you have to do it to try to win, not be a nice guy and pick someting that you know you don't really want to pick,therefore restraining your style.
If you like to no-huddle then no-huddle,only problem i've had with this is that they drain players so fast on 3-4 no huddle plays on madden and 2k5 but if this ain't the case on 2k8 then i see no reason not to no huddle whenever you want.


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The point i'm trying to make is everybody uses the word sim and i bet a ton dont even know what they're trying to say, stop using the word in a way that you don't mean it therefore, it won't cause confusion, and it will kill that general myth that everything someone doesn't like gets associated to SIM.
Be more detailed on what your trying to say.


'Hey johnny pick 3 popsicles out of those 5 ok.. what color do you want
orange,purple,blue,green,red?'
'I want popsicle, i want popsicle, i want popsicle.'


First there are two kinds of players of the game and that is just reality whether we like it or not.
SIM and ARCADE

Sim players like to play the game as on TV.
Arcade players are just interested in winning. You know bump the machine to make the ball go where you want it too?

With that said Sim gets broken down further.
Realistic Sim
Exaggerated Sim
Sim into my game.

Realistic Sim
- The only crime is exploiting, but we don't take it to the extreme. When there is NO WAY to prevent something it is an exploit. But understand I'm talking if everyone can line up in goal line to block FG and PT successfully at an exaggerated high rate and 2k didn't think enough STILL in 2k8 to provide more options like full protection or AI to prevent such.... then it becomes an exploit.
- If your game is screens all game then that is your strategy. PERIOD! I need to stop it.
- If you blitz all game that is again your strategy. PERIOD! I need to stop it or burn you for it.
-- When you move players off the line because you KNOW the AI doesn't handle it AND I'll say it again 2k knew of this issue in 2k5 and didn't put in more controls for blocking then it is an exploit of the game. Players need to know this game AI is not the same Intelligence we see on the field so once you start pulling stuff like that it does take away from the game because your dependency of an exploit is NOT the 2nd string QB that now has to play and is immobile, not a rookie CB, etc... but GAME CODING!!!!!
-- Yes real football has flea flickers, but again it is too easy because 2k once again did not give the other side an option to contend with the play other than manual coverage. And lets be real. What team runs 3 flea flickers in a row????
- Sim players do not complain about "boring" games or game speed. You play at your pace and I'll play at mine. You want to run all game fine. You want to pass every down fine. Same with zone, man, blitz.
- My only issue with 4th down is it is way too easy to QB Sneak. I know how they can fix this, but I'm keeping it to myself. EA has taken enough from me free on this board to put in their game. 2k chose not too. Other than that go for it. My only other issue is most of the time when they don't make it and pay for it suddenly "connection lost.." suddenly appears. All I say is be man or boy enough to live through the loss. I mean since people seem to want everyone to except whatever exploits then I think they should play through the game win or lose.
- I don't care about no huddles either. With the right gameplan setup it can be dealt with it. Also making the right adjustments in that gameplan on the fly helps.

- What I consider fair is not exploiting the obvious which most of us know what they are. My list is much shorter than most.

Sim Exaggeration
- They fall into most of what the original poster said.

Sim into my game
- The poster touched on this. A lot of complaints forces players to play right into your game.
Talk about boring. You should be guessing the next move in every game no knowing players won't do this because I said so. You have people complaining about zone coverage all game or man coverage all game. So what!? That is their strategy. Now if a player can exploit that scheme there is nothing wrong with it.

I'll take sim anyday, but not to the extreme as I've read for years on this board. lol

Again, if you call yourself SIM then finish the game.
If you want to claim your are simulating the real game then do it all the way to the finish.

I don't even quit on people who play arcade style. I know win and losing is not always based on the best player and I'm not looking to be the best.

So there you have it.

[BigM12]

GoodSense, this thread was made years ago.

[Valdarez]

Sorry to dig up an old thread... Nice dig. Kind of interesting to see people's views from years past.

[DonVCorleone]

refer to THE SIM GOD (me) with any questions in regards to SIM.

[Pcat Magoo]

Alot of this thread falls into the category of "mental masturbation"

[Lordtime]

Are you the same Pcat Magoo from NFL 2k5 online????

[Pcat Magoo]

The one and only

[Lordtime]

I remember. I got destroyed by you. Damn you and Preist Holmes :D

Edit: I was CavalierKnight by the way :)

[Pcat Magoo]

Yeah, i remember you too. I give all the credit to my o-line! : )) Do you play 2k8?

[Lordtime]

No, no, I'm pretty sure it was due to your superior button mashing abilities :lol: I could never get Preist Holmes to go that damn fast :lol:

My 360 is trashed and the warranty is up so I can't turn it in to Microsoft :(. And I rented the game actually when it first came out. I didn't have Xbox Live at the time so I couldn't play online.