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kaisersoulzae

July 31st, 2007, 12:18 AM

2k8itsinthegame

July 31st, 2007, 12:33 AM

BARON DAVIS HANDS DOWN THE BEST CLUTCH SHOOTER PROBABLY OF ALL TIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUEnbPsVfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7ssFwPZ04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubvPYD8u0Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhsxp9PKUV4

SOME OF THEM

EitherRhino80

July 31st, 2007, 12:38 AM

I'll go with Robert Horry. But there is a reason why CHauncey Billups has a clutch nickname. ( Don't remember the nickname, sorry I think MR.Bigshot)

JerichoApo

July 31st, 2007, 12:45 AM

honestly ive never seen b diddy miss a clutch shot, and i watch alot of his games.

Sylar

July 31st, 2007, 12:45 AM

Probably Steve Nash

Chupaqui

July 31st, 2007, 01:12 AM

Manu Ginobilo scores the drive or the 3pts when needed.....in addition, he always takes the foul and score it as well... Manu is too reliable from any point,,,

Oncologist_4_Kids_MD

July 31st, 2007, 01:14 AM

Who is currently the most clutch player playing. I say...........

1. BARON DAVIS (NEVER MISSES A SHOT WHEN NEEDED)

2. ROBERT HORRY (LEGEND AT CLUTCH SHOTS AT THE PLAYOFFS)

3. STEVE NASH (SUCH A GOOD SHOOTER)

4. KG (A TRUE LEADER)

5. KOBE BRYANT (DOES NOT MAKE EVERY ONE LIKE BARON BUT RARELY MISSES).

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

When looking at this list, I am really at a loss for words.....except for 2 players mentioned, whom both have won multiple titles in this league.

What does clutch mean? Simply being able to make a last second shot or being able to dominate a whole game 7, or a 4th quarter, or being able to score and make big plays when needed to win in the 4th as well as shutting your man down completely???

Many questions to ask ourselves before simply making a list of clutch players...First and foremost, we need proof of clutch. Anyone can do a youtube search and find a big steve nash 3 against the MAVS or a collection of baron davis game winners dating back to his days at UCLA.

The logical way of doing things is listing criteria or requirements. You play this game to win games, which leads to winning the Larry O'Brien Trophy. When I think of clutch, I think about championships as well as MVPs. Nash and Dirk have been blessed to win the MVP award at the NBA level, but have failed to claim the ultimate prize.

With that said, only 2 players on your list have won the title (albeit being lead by Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan respectively). None of these players have been NBA Finals MVP.

I apologize as these ideas are flowing and this piece is going on without ANY organization.

CLUTCH does not mean perfection. Michael Jordan has a commercial stating he has missed over 20 game winning shots and Duncan is notorious for missing big free throws.

Even in recent memory, SHAQ was the most dominant player from 2000-2003, but the Lakers could not even give him the ball in the 4th quarter because of the HACK A SHAQ and his infamous bad free throw shooting.

THE TERM CLUTCH also should inspire fear in one's mind or fear should stem from the player's name that is associated with the term.

Kobe. He may catch the ball 40 feet from the basket with 8 seconds left on the clock and shoot a contested fade away from the elbow, but we think the shot is going in----until it is actually missed.

Everytime Rob Horry shoots the ball in the 4th , I believe it is going in. That's just me. He has made big shots home or away during his 7 title seasons...ask Barkley, Webber, Rasheed, and many more...

Not many players evoke this type of fear in me except these players.

Others may include players you listed such as NASH or BARON or other players like CASSELL, AGENT 0, BIG SHOT BILLUPS, OR EVEN TIM THOMAS.

Most of these players, including Horry, have ice water in their veins in the 4th, but I simply call them BIG SHOT MAKERS AND TAKERS, merely a component of a clutch player.

Basketball skills are a collection of skills displayed at the defensive and offensive sides of the court.

In the 4th quarter, NASH is a liability and cannot stop his man when needed to.

Robert Horry, although he has made big stops since his days as a Rocket (On Kemp, Charles, Malone), cannot completely shut down his opponent or dominate a game defensively.***

KOBE CAN DO THIS.
TIM DUNCAN CAN DO THIS.
KEVIN GARNETT CAN DO THIS. (WHEN HE HAS HAD HELP, LIKE IN 04, MVP TYPE PLAYER)
SHAQ IS NO LONGER PART OF THE EQUATION.

***Players like ben wallace or bowen can do this and are considered "clutch defenders", but lack the offensive threat.

So again, players like Nash, Gilbert, Billups, Fisher even (if you know basketball, need I mention .04 or the big shots he made this year?), etc ARE MERELY BIG SHOT TAKERS AND MAKERS.

Heck, you can add way more to this list such as Ben Gordon, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo and so on.

I HAVE LEFT OUT MANY PLAYERS...I KNOW, MANY ALL STARS, BUT THEY DON'T MEET MY REQUIREMENTS (IVERSON, MCGRADY, YAO, PARKER, ETC, ETC) FOR BEING AN ULTIMATE CLUTCH PLAYER.

This big list further solidifies this group only as a group that can make a game winning basket.

THE FINAL 2:
1)KOBE BRYANT- Has the skills (and has demonstrated it) to score 40+ in big games and win rings. Earlier in his career (2000), he completely dominated an NBA FINALS game on the Road against the Pacers after THE DIESEL FOULED OUT, and much more, while shutting down the other team's 2 guard....

BUT BRYANT HAS ONLY WON WITH A SECURITY BLANKET, SHAQ. DURING THOSE 3 TITLES, SHAQ WALKED AWAY MVP. In the 2004 Finals, Kobe had the chance to lead a team to a title against the Pistons, but failed to walk away with a ring. If you watced the 2006 and 2007 playoffs, Kobe did not have enough to lead against the SUNS is 2 big playoff series....where this clutch ability is truly tested.

ENOUGH BASHING, I LOVE KOBE. MY FAVORITE PLAYER. HE HAS NOT DONE MUCH SINCE LOSING SHAQ, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD ANY HELP. DO NOT BLAME HIM FOR MITCH KUPCHAK'S LACK OF ABILITY TO DO HIS JOB. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, KOBE HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH HELP ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLAYOFFS. MJ PLAYED WITH SCOTTIE, AND LET'S END THAT THERE....

TIM DUNCAN:
By far, I think Timmy is the most clutch BIG MAN in the league.
He is able to dominate at both ends of the courts.

In game 6 of the 2003 NBA FINALS, DUNCAN HAD 22 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and 8 blocks.
That is almost a quadruple double...IN THE FINALS!
-HE HAS LED HIS TEAM TO 4 TITLES (3 MVP's)
-GREATEST POWER FORWARD OF ALL TIME (Yes, I have seen Mchale and Karl Malone play)

What more can I say about THE BIG FUNDAMENTAL?

HARD DECISION FOR A BIG GAME: KOBE OR TIM
Let me put it this way. In a hypothetical situation, if I had a team where Kobe and Tim were on the same team, and both collided with a player on the opposing team while going after a loose ball, AND BOTH HAD 5 FOULS, I WOULD WANT THE OTHER GUY FOUL OUT AND THIS GUY TO STAY IN THE GAME TIED 90-90 in the 4th with 6 minutes left:

http://www.basketball-bg.com/cutenews/data/upimages/duncan_2_trophies.jpg

That's the beauty of the question....We all have difference requirements and answers.

AI Crossover 3

July 31st, 2007, 01:22 AM

When looking at this list, I am really at a loss for words.....except for 2 players mentioned, whom both have won multiple titles in this league.

What does clutch mean? Simply being able to make a last second shot or being able to dominate a whole game 7, or a 4th quarter, or being able to score and make big plays when needed to win in the 4th as well as shutting your man down completely???

Many questions to ask ourselves before simply making a list of clutch players...First and foremost, we need proof of clutch. Anyone can do a youtube search and find a big steve nash 3 against the suns or a collection of baron davis game winners dating back to his days at UCLA.

The logical way of doing things is listing criteria or requirements. You play this game to win games, which leads to winning the Larry O'Brien Trophy. When I think of clutch, I think about championships as well as MVPs. Nash and Dirk have been blessed to win the MVP award at the NBA level, but have failed to claim the ultimate prize.

With that said, only 2 players on your list have won the title (albeit being lead by Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan respectively). None of these players have been NBA Finals MVP.

I apologize as these ideas are flowing and this piece is going on without organization.

CLUTCH does not mean perfection. Michael Jordan has a commercial staing he has missed over 20 game winning shots and Duncan is notorious for missing big free throws.

Even in recent memory, SHAQ was the most dominant player from 2000-2003, but the Lakers could not even give him the ball in the 4th quarter because of the HACK A SHAQ and his infamous bad free throw shooting.

THE TERM CLUTCH also should inspire fear in ones mind or fear should stem from the player's name that is associated with the term.

Kobe. He may catch the ball 40 feet from the basket with 8 seconds left on the clock and shoot a contested fade away from the elbow, but we think the shot is in until it is actually out.

Everytime Rob Horry shoots the ball in the 4th it is going in. He has made big shots home or away during his 7 title seasons

Not many players evoke this type of fear in me except these players.

Others may include players you listed such as NASH or BARON or other players like CASSELL, AGENT 0, BIG SHOT BILLUPS, OR EVEN TIM THOMAS.

Most of these players, including Horry have ice water in their veins in the 4th, but I simply call them BIG SHOT MAKERS AND TAKERS.

Basketball skills are a collection of skills displayed at the defensive and offensive sides of the court.

In the 4th quarter, NASH is a liability and cannot stop his man when needed to.

Robert Horry, although he has made big stops since his days as a rocket (On Kemp, Charles, Malone), cannot completely shut down his opponent or dominate a game defensively.***

KOBE CAN DO THIS.
TIM DUNCAN CAN DO THIS.
KEVIN GARNETT CAN DO THIS. (WHEN HE HAS HAD HELP, LIKE IN 04, MVP TYPE PLAYER)
SHAQ IS NO LONGER PART OF THE EQUATION.

***Considered clutch, players like ben wallace or bowen can do this, but lack on offense and other areas.

So again, players like Nash, Gilbert, Billups, Fisher even (if you know basketball, need I mention .04 or the big shots he made this year?), etc ARE MERELY BIG SHOT TAKERS AND MAKERS.

Heck, you can add way more to this list such as Ben Gordon, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo and so on.

I HAVE LEFT OUT MANY PLAYERS...I KNOW, MANY ALL STARS, BUT THEY DON'T MEET MY REQUIREMENTS (IVERSON, MCGRADY, YAO, PARKER, ETC, ETC)

This big list further solidifies this group only as a group that can make a game winning basket.

THE FINAL 2:
1)KOBE BRYANT- Has the skills (and has demonstrated it) to score 40+ in big games and win rings. Earlier in his career (2000), he completely dominated an NBA FINALS game on the Road against the Pacers after THE DIESEL FOULED OUT, and much more....

BUT BRYANT HAS ONLY WON WITH A SECURITY BLANKET, SHAQ. DURING THOSE 3 TITLES, SHAQ WALKED AWAY MVP. In the 2004 Finals, Kobe had chance to lead a team against the Pistons, but failed to walk away with a ring.

ENOUGH, I LOVE KOBE. MY FAVORITE PLAYER. HE HAS NOT DONE MUCH SINCE LOSING SHAQ, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD ANY HELP. DO NOT BLAME HIM FOR MITCH KUPCHAK'S LACK OF ABILITY TO DO HIS JOB. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, KOBE HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH HELP ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLAYOFFS. MJ PLAYED WITH SCOTTIE, SO END THAT THERE....

TIM DUNCAN:
By far, I think Timmy is the most clutch player in the league.
He is able to dominate at both ends of the courts.
In game 6 of the 2003 NBA FINALS, DUNCAN 22 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and 8 blocks.
.................................................. ....
OK, IM TIRED......I QUIT.....

That's the beauty of the question....We all have difference requirements and answers.

Well said, well said. You stated a lot of good points.

Sylar

July 31st, 2007, 01:54 AM

Hibachi!!!!

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July 31st, 2007, 07:14 AM

good points Oncologist_4_Kids_MD.

VSaraiva

July 31st, 2007, 07:20 AM

PAUL SHIRLEY

shaybuttainbk

July 31st, 2007, 07:27 AM

kobe bryant hands down. He has an 8 minute video on youtube with only clutch shots. Baron davis make most of his clutch shots, but he had no more than 10 clutch situations. kobe bryant had well over 50 clutch situations, i can vouch for that

Lalball81

July 31st, 2007, 07:32 AM

Just because I've been watching him so long, in the game today it's Kobe. Not just game winners, even though he has tons of those, but run stopping threes, momentum changing steals and blocks, game dunks are also included in my definition of clutch, all of which Kobe has done at one point or another in his career many times.

kb24lalaland

July 31st, 2007, 07:50 AM

Has to be kobe. You ask anyone in the league who they want to give the last shot to and they will all say the same name. He got a killer instinct thats why is name is black mamba. Kobe is clutch. I only seen baron davis make a couple of clutch shots not as much as kobes.

BallOut247

July 31st, 2007, 08:36 AM

Jamal Crawford anyone??

bockaemonkae

July 31st, 2007, 08:39 AM

Chris Webber hands down:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

it takes alot of clutch to call a time out when u dont have one.

it was so clutch it was almost like the other team payed him.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

MY 3 CENTS

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 08:42 AM

1.kobe
2.hibachi
3.baron
4.nash
5.horry

Chupaqui

July 31st, 2007, 08:53 AM

1- Jordan
2- Kobe
3- Horry
4- Davis
5- Ginobili
6- Ray Allen

MakaveliThaDon

July 31st, 2007, 08:56 AM

wut do y'all think abt d-wade being clutch

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 08:58 AM

^^^^ uh jordan's retired, ginobli-uh no (not above gilbert arenas and nash), and horry (above nash and arenas) no because he only hits one big shot. kobe, arenas, .... they come out the whole 4th quarter and carry their team with plenty of clutch shots, plays, and free throws.

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 09:22 AM

When looking at this list, I am really at a loss for words.....except for 2 players mentioned, whom both have won multiple titles in this league.

What does clutch mean? Simply being able to make a last second shot or being able to dominate a whole game 7, or a 4th quarter, or being able to score and make big plays when needed to win in the 4th as well as shutting your man down completely???

Many questions to ask ourselves before simply making a list of clutch players...First and foremost, we need proof of clutch. Anyone can do a youtube search and find a big steve nash 3 against the MAVS or a collection of baron davis game winners dating back to his days at UCLA.

The logical way of doing things is listing criteria or requirements. You play this game to win games, which leads to winning the Larry O'Brien Trophy. When I think of clutch, I think about championships as well as MVPs. Nash and Dirk have been blessed to win the MVP award at the NBA level, but have failed to claim the ultimate prize.

With that said, only 2 players on your list have won the title (albeit being lead by Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan respectively). None of these players have been NBA Finals MVP.

I apologize as these ideas are flowing and this piece is going on without ANY organization.

CLUTCH does not mean perfection. Michael Jordan has a commercial stating he has missed over 20 game winning shots and Duncan is notorious for missing big free throws.

Even in recent memory, SHAQ was the most dominant player from 2000-2003, but the Lakers could not even give him the ball in the 4th quarter because of the HACK A SHAQ and his infamous bad free throw shooting.

THE TERM CLUTCH also should inspire fear in one's mind or fear should stem from the player's name that is associated with the term.

Kobe. He may catch the ball 40 feet from the basket with 8 seconds left on the clock and shoot a contested fade away from the elbow, but we think the shot is going in----until it is actually missed.

Everytime Rob Horry shoots the ball in the 4th , I believe it is going in. That's just me. He has made big shots home or away during his 7 title seasons...ask Barkley, Webber, Rasheed, and many more...

Not many players evoke this type of fear in me except these players.

Others may include players you listed such as NASH or BARON or other players like CASSELL, AGENT 0, BIG SHOT BILLUPS, OR EVEN TIM THOMAS.

Most of these players, including Horry, have ice water in their veins in the 4th, but I simply call them BIG SHOT MAKERS AND TAKERS, merely a component of a clutch player.

Basketball skills are a collection of skills displayed at the defensive and offensive sides of the court.

In the 4th quarter, NASH is a liability and cannot stop his man when needed to.

Robert Horry, although he has made big stops since his days as a Rocket (On Kemp, Charles, Malone), cannot completely shut down his opponent or dominate a game defensively.***

KOBE CAN DO THIS.
TIM DUNCAN CAN DO THIS.
KEVIN GARNETT CAN DO THIS. (WHEN HE HAS HAD HELP, LIKE IN 04, MVP TYPE PLAYER)
SHAQ IS NO LONGER PART OF THE EQUATION.

***Players like ben wallace or bowen can do this and are considered "clutch defenders", but lack the offensive threat.

So again, players like Nash, Gilbert, Billups, Fisher even (if you know basketball, need I mention .04 or the big shots he made this year?), etc ARE MERELY BIG SHOT TAKERS AND MAKERS.

Heck, you can add way more to this list such as Ben Gordon, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo and so on.

I HAVE LEFT OUT MANY PLAYERS...I KNOW, MANY ALL STARS, BUT THEY DON'T MEET MY REQUIREMENTS (IVERSON, MCGRADY, YAO, PARKER, ETC, ETC) FOR BEING AN ULTIMATE CLUTCH PLAYER.

This big list further solidifies this group only as a group that can make a game winning basket.

THE FINAL 2:
1)KOBE BRYANT- Has the skills (and has demonstrated it) to score 40+ in big games and win rings. Earlier in his career (2000), he completely dominated an NBA FINALS game on the Road against the Pacers after THE DIESEL FOULED OUT, and much more, while shutting down the other team's 2 guard....

BUT BRYANT HAS ONLY WON WITH A SECURITY BLANKET, SHAQ. DURING THOSE 3 TITLES, SHAQ WALKED AWAY MVP. In the 2004 Finals, Kobe had the chance to lead a team to a title against the Pistons, but failed to walk away with a ring. If you watced the 2006 and 2007 playoffs, Kobe did not have enough to lead against the SUNS is 2 big playoff series....where this clutch ability is truly tested.

ENOUGH BASHING, I LOVE KOBE. MY FAVORITE PLAYER. HE HAS NOT DONE MUCH SINCE LOSING SHAQ, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD ANY HELP. DO NOT BLAME HIM FOR MITCH KUPCHAK'S LACK OF ABILITY TO DO HIS JOB. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, KOBE HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH HELP ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLAYOFFS. MJ PLAYED WITH SCOTTIE, AND LET'S END THAT THERE....

TIM DUNCAN:
By far, I think Timmy is the most clutch BIG MAN in the league.
He is able to dominate at both ends of the courts.

In game 6 of the 2003 NBA FINALS, DUNCAN HAD 22 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and 8 blocks.
That is almost a quadruple double...IN THE FINALS!
-HE HAS LED HIS TEAM TO 4 TITLES (3 MVP's)
-GREATEST POWER FORWARD OF ALL TIME (Yes, I have seen Mchale and Karl Malone play)

What more can I say about THE BIG FUNDAMENTAL?

HARD DECISION FOR A BIG GAME: KOBE OR TIM
Let me put it this way. In a hypothetical situation, if I had a team where Kobe and Tim were on the same team, and both collided with a player on the opposing team while going after a loose ball, AND BOTH HAD 5 FOULS, I WOULD WANT THE OTHER GUY FOUL OUT AND THIS GUY TO STAY IN THE GAME TIED 90-90 in the 4th with 6 minutes left:

http://www.basketball-bg.com/cutenews/data/upimages/duncan_2_trophies.jpg

That's the beauty of the question....We all have difference requirements and answers.

WOW!:thumbsup: :D

GREAT ARTICLE

The only thing I have aproblem with is you can prevent Duncan from either shooting, or getting a good look, because you can foul him and he'll will miss at least 1 of 2 down the stretch (most of the time). And not being able to make freethrows, isnt clutch.

I like Nash as the most clutch player. We have all seen the three he made against the Mave... but that isnt the whole thing. You brought up that Nash doesn't play defense well. He is the best defensive Point Guard in my opinion. And what he does for his team down the stretch. Oh let me count the ways

He Passes the ball in places you would never dream of, and completes the pass
He is able to drive the ball and draw the foul or make the shot almost every time
His basketball IQ is though the roof, he is arguabely the smartest basketball player
He makes so many big shots down the stretch, its insane

It is a toss up between him and Horry, after all his nickname is, "Big Shot Rob" and the only reason he is still in the NBA is because of what he can do in the 4th quarter

PTRsportsFan1218

July 31st, 2007, 09:34 AM

my clutch players

vince carter
paul pierce
kobe
KG
robert horry
derek fisher
ray allen
steve nash
t-mac

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 09:36 AM

my clutch players

vince carter
paul pierce
kobe
KG
robert horry
derek fisher
ray allen
steve nash
t-mac

TMAC????? THE SECOND ROUND VIRGIN? MR. CHOKE? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 09:39 AM

damn no one is saying gilbert arenas. plus t mac is a clutch player. 13 points in 35 seconds. enough said.

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 09:40 AM

njake are u forgettin that without shaq kobe hasn't made it to the second round either.

Chupaqui

July 31st, 2007, 09:41 AM

This message is for the NBA and the USA: International players are killing us!!!!!! think about it: Duncan (St. Croix), Ginobili, Oberto, Nocioni (part of the International Champion Team of Argentina ), Parker (MVP out of France), Nash (MVP out of Canada ), Dirk (MVP out of Germany), Yao ( always improving out of China),,,,,,,,,dear USA, forget about the slam dunk and the high tempo game,,,,, its time to think about T E A M basketball, for example, SPURS fashion game,,, they have a Internationl starting lineups ( France, St. Croix, & Argentina) and thats why they keep winning.....
People loves dunks and admire Kobe, Lebron and Tmac,, but they dont win championship and give us a SHAME and BAD international representation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just imagine for a moment a International Dream Team:
PG: Tony Parker and Steve Nash
SG: Ginobili, Pavlovic, or Leandro Barbosa
SF: Dirk and Peja, Raja Bell
PF: Duncan and Nocioni, or Varejao
C: Yao and Nene, or Oberto, Pau Gasol

They kick azzzzzzzzzzz..... because most of them play unselfish,,,,,or USA leave the superstar mentality or International players will dominate the league and the world,,,,,, Of the last six 6 years,,,,5 players were International MVPs: Duncan, Nash, Dirk,,,,,,,,, analyze that !!

go bullzz

July 31st, 2007, 09:42 AM

uh lebron.. i hit atleast 10 or 12 gamewinners from in between threepoint line and the freethrow line

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 09:42 AM

damn no one is saying gilbert arenas. plus t mac is a clutch player. 13 points in 35 seconds. enough said.

First of all, that is not even the entire quarter being clutch.

He had a great 35 seconds. What else has he done. I can tell you

Choked Countless times in the 1st round

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 09:44 AM

Agent 0 is very clutch, so ill give you that one, but again, you can't really detirmine how clutch he is because he hasnt done anything in the playoffs

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 09:50 AM

Agent 0 is very clutch, so ill give you that one, but again, you can't really detirmine how clutch he is because he hasnt done anything in the playoffs

so your sayin that being clutch also depends on how well your team plays. no it depends on how you carry your team when it matters and gilbert has done this plenty of times. the bulls v wiz series is a big example. plus the cavs v wiz series. people only see those two free throws he missed when actually he hit a big three to get them there in the first place. basically theres two people i would want to have the ball in the fourth quarter. kobe or arenas.

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 09:54 AM

PG: Tony Parker and Steve Nash
SG: Ginobili, Pavlovic, or Leandro Barbosa
SF: Dirk and Peja, Raja Bell
PF: Duncan and Nocioni, or Varejao
C: Yao and Nene, or Oberto, Pau Gasol

They kick azzzzzzzzzzz..... because most of them play unselfish,,,,,or USA leave the superstar mentality or International players will dominate the league and the world,,,,,, Of the last six 6 years,,,,5 players were International MVPs: Duncan, Nash, Dirk,,,,,,,,, analyze that !!

hey your right. this team would dominate against a team like
pg:kidd, iverson, arenas
sg:kobe, d wade
sf:lebron,melo, mcgrady
pf:garnett,o niel
c:shaq,howard

this team would get dominated. i mean ginobli would own kobe, dirt i mean dirk would crush lebron, tony parker would run circles around nash, varejao would dunk it on garnett, .... :rolleyes: basically what i'm saying is ARE YOU F'N CRAZY???!!!!

Chupaqui

July 31st, 2007, 10:03 AM

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 10:06 AM

your right again. kidd probably wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. he would have 10 pts and 2 assists. while kobe (who wasn't on the 2004 team) would have plenty of bad games and never pass either. plus if your reply to this message reply to it in the thread you started so we don't ruin this one.

SyxxtySyxx

July 31st, 2007, 10:14 AM

Did Derek Fisher get any love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RodiAAns6Jk

I wouldn't put him as the best in the game, but his name should be mentioned. I would say Kobe is probably the most clutch, because it has to be hard to even get off the shot when the five guys on the other team know that you are the one that is going to get the last shot, let alone make it (anyone watch the Team USA White vs. Blue Scrimmage? Kobe drained it and LeBron, well... he LeBron'd).

I don't think Ben Gordon should get mentioned (I know, I'm bringing him up), but being the huge Bulls fan that I am, I catch every Bulls game I can (even summer league and pre-season). I have to say that since his rookie year, he hasn't been that clutch. This past season he missed many more game-tying and game-winning shots than the one (yes, singular) that he did make. Many of them were wide open with multi-second windows of opportunity to set up the shot, but he managed to air ball a few of them. Nocioni and Andre Barrett (yes, the 5th guard on last year's depth chart) were more clutch. Also, when we had Pargo, he would have been the clutch choice...

rhebz

July 31st, 2007, 10:27 AM

this team would get dominated. i mean ginobli would own kobe, dirt i mean dirk would crush lebron, tony parker would run circles around nash, varejao would dunk it on garnett, .... :rolleyes: basically what i'm saying is ARE YOU F'N CRAZY???!!!!

Why would Tony run circles around Nash?

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 10:31 AM

damn i meant kidd. my bad man.

Bateman11

July 31st, 2007, 10:33 AM

Bateman11

July 31st, 2007, 10:35 AM

Oh, and on topic. Kobe is the most clutch in the game today. The most clutch player of all-time is Jordan while the most clutch Shooter would be Reggie.

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 10:45 AM

So you're saying this line-up

Nash/Parker
Manu/Barbosa
Dirk/Peja
Duncan/Gasol
Yao/Nene

could beat

Kidd/Arenas
Kobe/Wade
Lebron/Melo
KG/Bosh
Howard/Amare

I think not.

thank you but were ducussin this in the other thread now. back me up man i'm outnumbered right now.

Kobe_Bryant81

July 31st, 2007, 10:56 AM

kobe bryant, period.

Bossten

July 31st, 2007, 11:05 AM

BOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTEN

LMFAO i dont no what most of yall r smoking b diddy r u kidding me

KOBE IS THE # CLUTCH PLAYA IN THE GM 2DAY HANDS DOWN theres so much hate the that mans gm but u have to give him respect wen its do

1. reggie miller
2. michael jordan
3. kobe

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 11:06 AM

come on man reggie above michael. your goin way too far with that one. definitely not.

Abyss Impact

July 31st, 2007, 11:24 AM

Kobe
Baron
Robert horry

Kings_Alex

July 31st, 2007, 12:17 PM

mike bibby ^_^ i'm kidding. kobe for sure, have you seen how many times he tied the game up or won the game? he's a beast during clutch moments.

xxOaklandNETSxx

July 31st, 2007, 12:45 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vyrsUR1XFqU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=56yUF-hYQ24
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TjrW0m22W8M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I3h8AFdg03c
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P441BC6Tf2A&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jAC9GfZDFXs

by watching these u already know my answer
i would of picked more but i think i got my poin across

Miggz

July 31st, 2007, 01:01 PM

my clutch players

vince carter
paul pierce
kobe
KG
robert horry
derek fisher
ray allen
steve nash
t-mac

thank u, some one recognizes Pierce. Since the Celtics have sucked for a while, no 1 saw any of his game winning threes, drives, freethrows, u name it. Look at some videos on youtube. Theres the one with Pierce fading to his left on the 3pt arc with two Wizards on him, and draining a fade-away three with two hands in his face. CMON. Or the one where Al Harrington is on the pacers and tries guarding him, and Pierce is talkin trash while winding down the clock. He points right, but goes left and bangs a three in Harringtons face for the game.

This year the Celtics will be on tnt, nbc, all the national games. but we have ray allen, and garnett who are also clutch, so i dont think pierce will have to win that many games for them.

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 01:55 PM

so your sayin that being clutch also depends on how well your team plays. no it depends on how you carry your team when it matters and gilbert has done this plenty of times. the bulls v wiz series is a big example. plus the cavs v wiz series. people only see those two free throws he missed when actually he hit a big three to get them there in the first place. basically theres two people i would want to have the ball in the fourth quarter. kobe or arenas.

I dont believe he has done it in the playoffs...

And I didnt say kobe was clutch (hes about as clutch as gilbert arenas)

I siad Big Shot Rob and Stevie Nash, Oh Canada boy!

onez88888888

July 31st, 2007, 02:10 PM

kaisersoulzae

July 31st, 2007, 02:42 PM

what those videos do not show how many he missed

onez88888888

July 31st, 2007, 02:45 PM

Show me 'all' the gamewinners/tiers he missed then

Oncologist_4_Kids_MD

July 31st, 2007, 02:46 PM

One that comes to mind right away is the one in the 2001 Playoffs against Philly (after his UNC graduation)

onez88888888

July 31st, 2007, 02:50 PM

Ok, that's one. And the one where he got stripped by Eric Snow last playoffs. But he hit more gamewinners than he missed

oldskool716

July 31st, 2007, 02:59 PM

I dont believe he has done it in the playoffs...

And I didnt say kobe was clutch (hes about as clutch as gilbert arenas)

I siad Big Shot Rob and Stevie Nash, Oh Canada boy!

okay man whatever. you can put the ball in nash's or robert horry's hands in the 4th quarter if you want but i'll be on the other team puttin it in arenas' or kobe's hands. we'll see comes out on top. (remember the wizards vs pheonix that aired on espn you know arenas' 54 point night: that's just a hint as to what would happen)

ladam24

July 31st, 2007, 03:36 PM

Kobe is maybe the 2nd most clutch NBA player of all time. He at least breaks the top 4.

Jordan
Bryant
West
Miller

dazmanyaherd

July 31st, 2007, 03:55 PM

Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix SunS. If you don't watch SunS games you wouldn't understand how clutch he is

kaisersoulzae

July 31st, 2007, 03:58 PM

KOBE HAS MADE MORE CLUTCH SHOTS THAN ANYONE IN THE NBA BY FAR BUT HE HAS ALSO MISSED A FEW THAT IS WHY I CHOSE BARON FOR 1 BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER MISSED A GAME WINNING SHOT IN GOLDEN STATE AND HORRY IS A LEGEND NASH MAKES THEM 90% OF THE TIME KG IS GOOD AT GAMEWINNERS AND AGENT ZERO HAS BEEN FANTASTIC THESE COUPLE OF YEARS AND SHAQ, AND DUNCAN WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS RAY ALLEN IS ALWAYS RELIABLE AND PAUL HAS BEEN GREAT IN THE PAST CARTER HAS ALSO MADE ALOT BUT MISSED ALOT ASWELL.

Agon

July 31st, 2007, 04:01 PM

Ginobili is someone really good in clutch situations. I cannot count how many times the spurs have given him the ball and have him drive in, get fouled and make the shot and free-throw. No jokes Ginobili mrks it. Reggie Miller. Holy crap that guy is clutch. These are some the guys that I think are the best.

1) Michael Jordan
2) Reggie Miller
3) Robbert Horry
4) Kobe Bryant
5) Manu Ginobili
6) Baron Davis
7) Gilbert Arenas

xxxDrayxxx

July 31st, 2007, 05:00 PM

Id go with horry

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 05:51 PM

Im not crazy: just look at the reality: USA has been shamely stopped internationally. Your team above, are a selfish teamm.......In 2004,,IVerson, Wade, Lebron, Melo, Amare, Ray Allen, Brand, a few more, were part of the USA Team, and they were shamely stopped,,,, Argentina wonnn,,,,,,, Puerto Rico won their first game by almost 20ptsssssssssssss......................

Its not because they dont have talent. Its because they havent had a coach that will motivate them to play in a game that doesnt count in the NBA standings.

Coach K, has already started the process.

So dont worry, in the 08 olympics, im confident the, :in chanting from the corwd: "USA! USA! USA!" will take home the gold

kaisersoulzae

July 31st, 2007, 07:47 PM

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 07:50 PM

KObe is GoOd
NasH Is GoOd
RoBeRt HoRrY iS gOoD
tHeY aRe AlL gOoD

toro

July 31st, 2007, 10:07 PM

agent zero gilbert arenas hands down

ladam24

July 31st, 2007, 10:22 PM

^^LOL .

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 11:44 PM

^^^ ladam24, nice pic of brick from anchorman dats my alltime favoritemovie

vince94

July 31st, 2007, 11:51 PM

Dwyane Wade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28UJB1EJ9u4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B08lPuEAEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdPPIkuEyU&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdPPIkuEyU&mode=related&search=)

NJake

July 31st, 2007, 11:54 PM

D-wade has skillz

vince94

July 31st, 2007, 11:55 PM

dwade the best clutch player

Sylar

August 1st, 2007, 01:33 AM

Hibachi!!!

MJ
John Stockton
Reggie Miller
Robert Horry
Steve Nash
Manu Ginobili

Rex Chapman (hahaha!)

King Felix

August 1st, 2007, 02:12 AM

Id have to say Kobe...But it's pretty close with Davis...My team has history with Kobe...(The Blazers)

Brings me back to the 2000 game 7 playoffs...If Blazers would of won that game...We would of been the 3peat...BUT they come back and prove to be the better franchise in the next 3 years..

Bornindamecca

August 1st, 2007, 02:57 AM

In today's game, I can't believe there is an argument against Kobe. That post comparing him and Duncan was great, but the deciding factor HAS to be how nervous Timmy is at the line at the end of the game. And I love Tim's playing, don't get me wrong. Kobe all the way.

Now, for you guys making the all time lists, not putting Larry Bird on there makes you CRAZY. I can't respect any all time clutch list without Bird. Isiah deserves mention as well.

ca15ripslj23

August 1st, 2007, 03:34 AM

No love 4 Melo in this thread??

ladam24

August 1st, 2007, 04:21 AM

^^^Melo's maybe the best clutch player in the league right now not named Kobe Bryant.

D-Whistle is also pretty clutch. Yes, most of it is manufactured by the referees but he does come through at the end of games. He knows how to throw his body around to draw a foul. Good on him.

Bornindamecca

August 1st, 2007, 05:10 AM

Melo is a clutch shooter, but he doesn't do anything else in the clutch besides score. DWade is downright terrifying in the clutch, in any situation. Behind Kobe, and Tim, its a tie between Wade and Nash for who I'd like to see the least on the opposing team in the last two minutes of a game.

Antamac15

August 1st, 2007, 05:43 AM

Pfft, i would like to point out what that guy said in that long *** post. He said that clutch is dominating the fourth quarter or sumthin. As i can recall...lebron james...game 5...last 25 points of the game...anymore clutch?

Jaitsu

August 1st, 2007, 05:59 AM

lebron james IS clutch when he wants to be
sounds silly, but if he wants it badly enough he will take it

a few games mid season he choked on the big plays... sure, everyone has bad days but it really damaged his 'clutch rating'

Bornindamecca

August 1st, 2007, 10:38 AM

Ya'll need to snatch Lebron's name out of this thread right now. The main knock on Lebron is his last minute decisions. I think they get on him too much at this stage in his career, but he's FAR from "clutch" right now. His late game free throws and jump shooting leave much to be desired.

And if you're suggesting that Bron only loses because he doesn't want to win enough, well that would be a reason to take him out of the debate forever. It's more of a credit to him to think that he tried and failed rather than he didn't try hard enough.

kaisersoulzae

August 1st, 2007, 12:35 PM

I LEFT A FEW NAMES OUT BUT I CAN'T NAME EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA