International players are killing us....Wake up USA !!

[Chupaqui]

This message is for the NBA and the USA: International players are killing us!!!!!! think about it: Duncan (St. Croix), Ginobili, Oberto, Nocioni (part of the International Champion Team of Argentina ), Parker (MVP out of France), Nash (MVP out of Canada ), Dirk (MVP out of Germany), Yao ( always improving out of China),,,,,,,,,dear USA, forget about the slam dunk and the high tempo game,,,,, its time to think about T E A M basketball, for example, SPURS fashion game,,, they have a Internationl starting lineups ( France, St. Croix, & Argentina) and thats why they keep winning.....

People loves dunks and admire Kobe, Lebron and Tmac,, but they dont win championship and they give us a SHAME and BAD international representation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just imagine for a moment a International Dream Team:
PG: Tony Parker and Steve Nash
SG: Ginobili, Pavlovic, or Leandro Barbosa
SF: Dirk and Peja, Raja Bell
PF: Duncan and Nocioni, or Varejao
C: Yao and Nene, or Oberto, Pau Gasol

They kick azzzzzzzzzzz..... because most of them play unselfish,,,,,or USA leave the superstar mentality or International players will dominate the league and the world,,,,,The average NBA fan doesnt mind about winning, its only about show, show and show and who will dunk better....... thats why Lebron sukkkkks big time,,,,,,,,The loser mentality is the fastbreak dunk and the air suspension. Fundamentals are being silenced because NBA businessmen think it doesnt make profits: its all about business and dollars $$$$$$,,,,,,,You can put togehter, Kobe, LEbron, Tmac, Amare, etccccc,,,,, and wont win,,,,,,,,, they lack of team vision.
Of the last six 6 years,,,,5 players were International MVPs: Duncan, Nash, Dirk,,,,,,,,, analyze that !!

[oldskool716]

i'll post this again-

hey your right. this team would dominate against a team like
pg:kidd, iverson, arenas
sg:kobe, d wade
sf:lebron,melo, mcgrady
pf:garnett,o niel
c:shaq,howard

this team would get dominated. i mean ginobli would own kobe, dirt i mean dirk would crush lebron, tony parker would run circles around nash, varejao would dunk it on garnett, .... :rolleyes: basically what i'm saying is ARE YOU F'N CRAZY???!!!!

[Chupaqui]

Im not crazy: just look at the reality: USA has been shamely stopped internationally.
Your team above, are a selfish teamm.......
In 2004: Iverson, Wade, Lebron, Melo, Amare, Ray Allen, Brand, a few more, were part of the USA Team, and they were shamely stopped,,,, Argentina wonnn,,,,,,, Puerto Rico won their first game by almost 20ptsssssssssssss...................... You have a very short term memory !!!!!!!!! Its painful, but its the reality,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Agon]

i'll post this again-

hey your right. this team would dominate against a team like
pg:kidd, iverson, arenas
sg:kobe, d wade
sf:lebron,melo, mcgrady
pf:garnett,o niel
c:shaq,howard

this team would get dominated. i mean ginobli would own kobe, dirt i mean dirk would crush lebron, tony parker would run circles around nash, varejao would dunk it on garnett, .... :rolleyes: basically what i'm saying is ARE YOU F'N CRAZY???!!!!

Basically what im sayin is International players are underrated. Tim Duncan has done everything that shaq has done and even more and he is still underated. WTf is up with this. Tony Parker and Steve Nash would own Kidd, iverson or arenas. Pau Gasol would be owning it up too. Soon you can add Andrea Bargnani to this line. How can someone like shaq who is so used to doing his work inside even contest against Andrea and his 3. I mean come on seriously. I don't know if either team would be beat but If I had to put my money on a team It would be the international team since they are not selfish and their main goal is to win not for one player to get 50 pts a game( a.k.a Kobe.).

[oldskool716]

your right again. kidd probably wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. he would have 10 pts and 2 assists. while kobe (who wasn't on the 2004 team) would have plenty of bad games and never pass either. but for real this team would crush the international team. the 2004 team would be nothing compared to the team i just said.

[oldskool716]

Basically what im sayin is International players are underrated. Tim Duncan has done everything that shaq has done and even more and he is still underated. WTf is up with this. Tony Parker and Steve Nash would own Kidd, iverson or arenas. Pau Gasol would be owning it up too. Soon you can add Andrea Bargnani to this line. How can someone like shaq who is so used to doing his work inside even contest against Andrea and his 3. I mean come on seriously. I don't know if either team would be beat but If I had to put my money on a team It would be the international team since they are not selfish and their main goal is to win not for one player to get 50 pts a game( a.k.a Kobe.).

1)timmy d is not underated
2)kidd has how many triple doubles? while nash and tp have how many triple doubles?
3)tony parker would what arenas or iverson. he would get embarassed. arenas would dunk on him while ai would break and dislocate both his ankles.
4)if bargani ds up on shaq he'll have 100 points. plus there is a thing call d matchups in which shaq wouldn't guard a 3 point shooter.

[Chupaqui]

Dear friend,,, the only two big addition to this new USA team are Kidd, and Kobe,, and Im sure that Kidd will be the difference, because he is unselfish,!!!!!! he is awesome,,, but having Kobe, Wade, Melo or Lebron in one team,,, its the same shiiiiittttttttttttt,,,,,,,,,,, Those who doesnt learn about history are going to repeat it !!!! the 2004 team was wonderful,,,Iverson, Wade,Amare, Lebron, Melo,,,,,and they were a SHAME !!!!!!!!!! Its painful to admit it,,,,,but its true

[oldskool716]

Im not crazy: just look at the reality: USA has been shamely stopped internationally.
Your team above, are a selfish teamm.......
In 2004: Iverson, Wade, Lebron, Melo, Amare, Ray Allen, Brand, a few more, were part of the USA Team, and they were shamely stopped,,,, Argentina wonnn,,,,,,, Puerto Rico won their first game by almost 20ptsssssssssssss...................... You have a very short term memory !!!!!!!!! Its painful, but its the reality,,,,,,,,,,,,

and you must have bad eye sight because the team i said was way better than this. lebron is twice as good, wade is twice as good, and that team had no kobe or kidd.

[oldskool716]

Dear friend,,, the only two big addition to this new USA team are Kidd, and Kobe,, and Im sure that Kidd will be the difference, because he is unselfish,!!!!!! he is awesome,,, but having Kobe, Wade, Melo or Lebron in one team,,, its the same shiiiiittttttttttttt,,,,,,,,,,, Those who doesnt learn about history are going to repeat it !!!! the 2004 team was wonderful,,,Iverson, Wade,Amare, Lebron, Melo,,,,,and they were a SHAME !!!!!!!!!! Its painful to admit it,,,,,but its true

2 of the biggest but not the only additions. did you read garnett, shaq, arenas, or mcgrady's name anywhere. if you didn't know these guys pass the ball.
and now let's answer this please: name one mismatch you see that your dream team has on mine. none. secondly you only need one point guard to run a team (kidd).

[Chupaqui]

Dear Oldskool716:
Tony Parker will drive,,,and you can double and triple him defensively and he will score you so easily!!!!!!! Nash will pass on a dream fashion,,,,,, Duncan will abuse in the paint as always and will dominate KG or Shaq or Amare,,... please be real man !!!!!!! Iverson was 2004 team and didnt break any ankles...... Look at the first game versus Puerto Rico,,, Carlos Arroyo broke the ankles of Amare and Iverson and they won by 20ptssssss... then Argentina, headed by Manu, abused....

[Chupaqui]

Do you think Kidd can drive like Parker???? you need to rest Kidd and when they rest Parker,, Nash will enter and will assit everybody and will shot so easily...... Dirk: from 3pts, fadeaway,,,,, Duncan: who will stop him??? Amare,,,jajjajajaja,,, Old Shaq,,jajajajajja,,, KG, jajajajajajaj,,,,,,,,,,,,please !!!!!!!!!!

[oldskool716]

dear chupaqui,

i would like to start off by saying you and i are idiots because the virgin islands are part of the usa. so take duncan off your roster and put him on mine. next tony parker won't do **** defensively, and kidd will shut him down. plus this isn't 2004. its 2007 and times change as well as players.

[oldskool716]

Do you think Kidd can drive like Parker???? you need to rest Kidd and when they rest Parker,, Nash will enter and will assit everybody and will shot so easily...... Dirk: from 3pts, fadeaway,,,,, Duncan: who will stop him??? Amare,,,jajjajajaja,,, Old Shaq,,jajajajajja,,, KG, jajajajajajaj,,,,,,,,,,,,please !!!!!!!!!!

kidd will be in there for the two ds. defense and distributing. but when he comes off do you think tp is better an offensive player than gilbert arenas or iverson. uh no. next dirk (aka choke man) won't do anything. and he will be there main guy on offense. plus kg gets how many blocks a game? he'll shut players down!

[slimjimmed]

Kidd has alo said that he isn't playing NBA minutes, cause he is too old and his body cannot withstand it coupled between NBA seasons. Plus, alot these superstars bring the ball up themselves, effectively taking tha ball out of Kidd's hands. Lastly, Kidd is getting o-l-d and is a defensive liability against the constant passing and slashing European game.

Chupaqui is dead on. Until USA gets their head out their *ss and finds complimentary parts versus assembling a bunch of superstar egos, they will continue to lose. I think it is hilarious that they think Kobe is the answer. Sure he brings a tenacious will to win, but he brings the exact selfishness that is hindering the team from being a team.

The NBA season is also exhausting players, making them play their Olympic games in 2nd gear.

[Chupaqui]

Dear friend: Duncan is posted as International player, and the only reason they play for USA, its not because ST Croix is a US territory ,,its because he had the option to chose between USVI or USA....... they warmed the bench against USVI because he didnt want to play against his country. Also, he studied at WakeForest,,,,,.....so he can change and play with USVI....Another interesting point, in 2004 MELO could be playing with Puerto Rico because of his parents.....obviously he decided USA, but when they lost against PR by 20ptsss maybe he was suffering in the wrong team......
The bottom line here is: UNSELFISH game,,,,,,,,,,, Kidd, Allen, have it,, but Kobe, Melo, Lebron, Iverson,TMAC,,,,i dont think so!!!!

[Chupaqui]

Forget about flashing photos,, slam dunks, high tempo game, crossover, bad-guy reputation, offensive mentality,,,, its time to think about : fundamentals, team game, defense, easy shots, and unselfish

[bosiydid]

"...Those who doesnt learn about history are going to repeat it"...so eloquently put! I'm sorry but I had to laugh. Before you think I'm picking on you, I'm not American, I moved from Eastern Europe so English isn't my first language either. At least I hope you aren't American, 'cause if you are....God help us.

[VSaraiva]

LOOOOOL OMG
Dude I think the coach's of the NBA are been impreesed by your performance.
Do you really think you gonna change the mentality of the US game?

[oldskool716]

how is kobe any more selfish than jordan when he averages more assists than jordan. plus jordan was on the real dream team and if you look at their roster they had too distributors, stockton and magic. plus how is lebron selfish. he definitely isn't selfish.
and about timmy d you chose to play for who you want and he chose to play for usa so he would play for usa as well as melo.
the real bottom line is : the usa dream team (now) would beat your international dream team.

[VSaraiva]

"...Those who doesnt learn about history are going to repeat it"...so eloquently put! I'm sorry but I had to laugh. Before you think I'm picking on you, I'm not American, I moved from Eastern Europe so English isn't my first language either. At least I hope you aren't American, 'cause if you are....God help us.
Enough said

[lev-flo]

First off Puerto Rico is basically America. 2nd - That team USA was not the best we could muster. 3rdly - We havnt had a true "Dream Team" since the first one.

[oldskool716]

you still haven't answered my question. name a matchup that the international team would have on the usa team.

[VSaraiva]

Damn it Im from portugal and I still think this is stupid

[kcryder22]

no one owns kobe, kob is gonna kill these players and the usa team this year gonna destroy everyone they put in front of them.

[oldskool716]

kobe is the best player in the world. he can score at least 25 on anyone and some of the international teams sgs suck so that means 81 all over again baby. lol

[VSaraiva]

Theres only one thing USA cant beat europe that is shooting
Damn 7 footer socre more 3's than American Guards

[kcryder22]

i mean there's kidd, kob,melo lebron, bosh and ect. come on they are gonna kill.

[oldskool716]

Theres only one thing USA cant beat europe that is shooting
Damn 7 footer socre more 3's than American Guards

true. but it's much easier to just dunk it on the opposing player. shaq makes a living off of it. shaq could outscore those 7 ft shooters easily.

[Kobe_Bryant81]

i agree with oldschool....kobe is the best player in the world (mj who?), he can take on an any g/f in the world, he can score on a player that is 10X worse than bowen, he can shoot over a player that is 10X taller than yao, he can dunk on a player 10X a better blocker than camby, he can steal the ball off of a player 10X better than rafer at handles, so if you have him on you team, you automatically win

but seriously....USA team would kill anyone....stop trying to argue

[oldskool716]

i can't wait till this years fiba championship because if usa wins (and that's without iverson, arenas, t-mac, garnett...) that will be the ****.

[bosiydid]

When is FIBA 'ship?

[slimjimmed]

Look at the matchups of the international teams that have beaten the US in the last few years. US wins those individual matchups on paper, but loses the game. It's about the sum being greater than its individual parts.

1992 Dream Team faced a completely different level of competition that it does in the modern era. International has come a long, long way.

[slimjimmed]

Plus, NBA players don't get superstar foul treatment that they do in the US, so half of the time they end bickering instead of focusing cause they cannot understand that international competetion is not the NBA.

[oldskool716]

so the 92 dream team would beat any international team. and the usa team i mentioned is way better than the 04 team too.

[slimjimmed]

All it takes is one off night.

[Da Roc]

My goodness what a stupid thread. First off you are basing a lot of your information off the loss in the 2004 Olympics (with your boy Timmie D). Where you had first year players in D-wade, Lebron, and Melo. Also a very young Amare. They were still very green in their NBA careers.

Secondly I lost 80 percent of my respect for your basketball knowledge when you said that Lebron is a selfish player like melo and Kobe. Lebron is much closer to Jason Kidd and Nash because he often thinks pass first. Which has led to most of his criticism. Man that was dumb.

The U.S.A has had two problems these past few years. One, the had been going for star name power instead of position power i.e. shooters at shooting guard, and passers at point guard. (That has been remedied this year by the way). Secondly they are having problems adjusting to the International rules. Because the games are so different. Smaller courts, a lot fewer foul calls, no defensive three seconds. Why do you think foreign player often have a three year learning curve. (Dirk,Ginobli,Parker) all struggled their first three years. Now you are asking guys to go from one style to the other in a matter of months. Their athleticism and will to win is going to be what helps them overcome that obstacle.

So please post with facts no emotions.

P.S. USA rules, naw just kidding they have to work hard because the rest of the world has stepped their game up.

[Agon]

1)timmy d is not underated
2)kidd has how many triple doubles? while nash and tp have how many triple doubles?
3)tony parker would what arenas or iverson. he would get embarassed. arenas would dunk on him while ai would break and dislocate both his ankles.
4)if bargani ds up on shaq he'll have 100 points. plus there is a thing call d matchups in which shaq wouldn't guard a 3 point shooter.

Doesn't matter. Bargnani rapes all forwards and Centers. They are all used to having to guard a 7 footer inside in the paint and thats why He can pop 3's over their ***. Bargnani's release is also very quick. I would says 3rd fastest in nba, and also you just contradicted urself and talked about d matchups, bargnani wouldnt be guarding shaq either?

[oldskool716]

My goodness what a stupid thread. First off you are basing a lot of your information off the loss in the 2004 Olympics (with your boy Timmie D). Where you had first year players in D-wade, Lebron, and Melo. Also a very young Amare. They were still very green in their NBA careers.

Secondly I lost 80 percent of my respect for your basketball knowledge when you said that Lebron is a selfish player like melo and Kobe. Lebron is much closer to Jason Kidd and Nash because he often thinks pass first. Which has led to most of his criticism. Man that was dumb.

The U.S.A has had two problems these past few years. One, the had been going for star name power instead of position power i.e. shooters at shooting guard, and passers at point guard. (That has been remedied this year by the way). Secondly they are having problems adjusting to the International rules. Because the games are so different. Smaller courts, a lot fewer foul calls, no defensive three seconds. Why do you think foreign player often have a three year learning curve. (Dirk,Ginobli,Parker) all struggled their first three years. Now you are asking guys to go from one style to the other in a matter of months. Their athleticism and will to win is going to be what helps them overcome that obstacle.

So please post with facts no emotions.

P.S. USA rules, naw just kidding they have to work hard because the rest of the world has stepped their game up.

man i agree wit u 100%. in 2004 lebron wade and melo were not as good as i said earlier. they are much better now. plus lebron like i said before is not selfish. he'll pass the ball anytime. i also agree about the rule changes. it is a lot different and takes getting used to. what i have been saying has had some emotion but is mostly fact. kobe is the best player, the usa team now has a pg to run it, the players (wade, lebron and kobe) do actually pass the ball and get at least 5 assists a game (and that's kobe doin that with the lakers). truth be told the team i mentioned earlier is way better than the 2004 team and would beat this international dream team that has been mentioned earlier.

[oldskool716]

Doesn't matter. Bargnani rapes all forwards and Centers. They are all used to having to guard a 7 footer inside in the paint and thats why He can pop 3's over their ***. Bargnani's release is also very quick. I would says 3rd fastest in nba, and also you just contradicted urself and talked about d matchups, bargnani wouldnt be guarding shaq either?

i didn't say bargani would guard shaq but the person i replied to when i said this was talking about matchups for bargnani and he mentioned shaq. plus i don't remember hearing kenny smith or marv albert ever sayin: they will have to face the toronto raptors lead by bargnani. that is because chris bosh is better than him. bargnani averages how many points, has been an all star how many times? kg, bosh, o niel would all kill bargnani for your info. the inside game matters a lot more than the 3 point game.

[©I34 of ®@P┬o®z]

THis year we're way better than last year. We got D-Wade, Lebron, Caemelo, Amare, Howard, Bosh, Kobe, Arenas, CP3, and etc
We'll at least do better this year

[Da Roc]

Yeah I feel you old school. My post with emotions quote is for the guy that started this thread. That guy is talking crazy. Lebron selfish (man please)

[bosiydid]

I had the same thought, regarding the LB assessment. Most if not all of his credibility went right out the window.

Straight up CRAZY.

[JMack123]

Basically what im sayin is International players are underrated. Tim Duncan has done everything that shaq has done and even more and he is still underated. WTf is up with this. Tony Parker and Steve Nash would own Kidd, iverson or arenas. Pau Gasol would be owning it up too. Soon you can add Andrea Bargnani to this line. How can someone like shaq who is so used to doing his work inside even contest against Andrea and his 3. I mean come on seriously. I don't know if either team would be beat but If I had to put my money on a team It would be the international team since they are not selfish and their main goal is to win not for one player to get 50 pts a game( a.k.a Kobe.).

You idiot, St. Croix is a U.S. territory........

[oldskool716]

You idiot, St. Croix is a U.S. territory........

lol. earlier i was sayin that the us was better and not even paying attention to the fact that duncan is from the us virgin islands. he would play for the us before he would play for any other team.

[Xboxing2006]

http://www.interkart.de/images/world.jpg

This is why I hate my country. Why are we so arrogant? Lets worry about winning the Pan American games first. Look the US is one country. It is a large one but its still one country. Its not fair to compare us to whole the world. It has nothing to do with our style of play.

The best players from the rest of the world should be better than the best players from the states.

[NJake]

This message is for the NBA and the USA: International players are killing us!!!!!! think about it: Duncan (St. Croix), Ginobili, Oberto, Nocioni (part of the International Champion Team of Argentina ), Parker (MVP out of France), Nash (MVP out of Canada ), Dirk (MVP out of Germany), Yao ( always improving out of China),,,,,,,,,dear USA, forget about the slam dunk and the high tempo game,,,,, its time to think about T E A M basketball, for example, SPURS fashion game,,, they have a Internationl starting lineups ( France, St. Croix, & Argentina) and thats why they keep winning.....

People loves dunks and admire Kobe, Lebron and Tmac,, but they dont win championship and they give us a SHAME and BAD international representation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just imagine for a moment a International Dream Team:
PG: Tony Parker and Steve Nash
SG: Ginobili, Pavlovic, or Leandro Barbosa
SF: Dirk and Peja, Raja Bell
PF: Duncan and Nocioni, or Varejao
C: Yao and Nene, or Oberto, Pau Gasol

They kick azzzzzzzzzzz..... because most of them play unselfish,,,,,or USA leave the superstar mentality or International players will dominate the league and the world,,,,,The average NBA fan doesnt mind about winning, its only about show, show and show and who will dunk better....... thats why Lebron sukkkkks big time,,,,,,,,The loser mentality is the fastbreak dunk and the air suspension. Fundamentals are being silenced because NBA businessmen think it doesnt make profits: its all about business and dollars $$$$$$,,,,,,,You can put togehter, Kobe, LEbron, Tmac, Amare, etccccc,,,,, and wont win,,,,,,,,, they lack of team vision.
Of the last six 6 years,,,,5 players were International MVPs: Duncan, Nash, Dirk,,,,,,,,, analyze that !!



You are talking about Kobe and Lebron not winning anything?

The SPURS international players are the only ones who have

This is such a dumb thread who would you rather have out of these

International all-stars
pg-Steve Nash
sg-Manu Ginobili
sf-Peja (Dirk is 7'0, he isnt a sf)
pf- Dirk Nowitzki
c- Tim Duncan

American All-Stars
pg-Gilbert Arenas
sg-Kobe Bryant
sf-Lebron James
pf-Kevin Garnett
c-Shaq O'neal

Thats not even a contest the final score would be like

International allstars- 78

American Allstars- 132

[stress]

hes right !!!!!!!!!!!

[stress]

oh and inernational would win

[oldskool716]

You are talking about Kobe and Lebron not winning anything?

The SPURS international players are the only ones who have

This is such a dumb thread who would you rather have out of these

International all-stars
pg-Steve Nash
sg-Manu Ginobili
sf-Peja (Dirk is 7'0, he isnt a sf)
pf- Dirk Nowitzki
c- Tim Duncan

American All-Stars
pg-Gilbert Arenas
sg-Kobe Bryant
sf-Lebron James
pf-Kevin Garnett
c-Shaq O'neal

Thats not even a contest the final score would be like

International allstars- 78

American Allstars- 132

duncan plays for usa so take him off and put yao there. then you really have a bowout.:lol:

[Grandmaster D]

The first thing that comes to my mind when I think back on USA being kicked out by Greece is the coachs lack of knowledge on the players of the opposing team he showed in the press-conference after the game. That disrespect out of ignorance killed them, but that will surely change this time.

[amfufu]

we cant really say who is the better team in just one game, lets put it this way who would win a 7-game match between the international All-Star vs Team USA.. maybe after that we can say who is the better team..

[Sdot927]

the U S A team would handle a team of foreigners it's so simple nash was Kidd's son son back in the day Tim Duncan is the only legitimate Foreign Hall of Famer their is none of those other guys have the credentials to make it especially not the ones riding timmy's coat tails

YAHH B I T C H YAHH!

[Preo32]

if USA loses anymore, its cuz of team chemistry. they got the deepest roster by far, but they gotta play well together, and if they can keep it like that everygame, they'd beat every1. Argentina, Italy, Spain are in my mind the 3 other best teams, but China and Greece arent too bad either. and Im Serbian and they always got a prettygood squad, but really USA should beat every1

yahh b itch yahh is the funniest song i ever heard. the edited version wit the video isprob the worst song ever. changin the word ******* to trick, thats just wrong

[Sdot927]

the only reason the U S ever loses to whoever those guys are is since the DREAM TEAM the best player in the NBA don't play if Shaq and Kobe KG Kidd D 12 Ray Allen LeBron Redd Artest Paul or Deron Wade Melo were to ever play together no country would

" STAND HALF A CHANCE LIKE SIAMESE TWINS"

[Rockafella2x]

you guys are pretty dumb except Xboxing2006 We are talking about a competitive game against the usa (one country) v.s. the rest world it would clearly be competitive and fun to watch but in the olympics there is no world team but usa still has the same roster as they would against the rest of the world so put 2 and 2 together