NHL 2K8 Plays

[Flawed_redemption93]

THis game needs to have designed plays that you can assign to your d-pad. Having a skater go certain routes they do already but its only a little bit. They need to put a selection and or be able to design the plays your self. They need to do this in the NBA games also.

[Savoie06]

No this game needs the play creator that EA is gonna have in 08 or at least something similar.

[Flawed_redemption93]

what is the play creator?

[Savoie06]

Oh,you are so in for a treat.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nhl08/news.html?sid=6175997&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1

[Flawed_redemption93]

Oh my God, everytime I believe 2K8 is going to be the God I find something better with EA. Should I buy 2K8 first or 08?

[FSOTG]

It's a good idea but I don't like all the arrows appearing during a real game.


I also think that if the A.I. is good you don't need to pre set plays you just go with the flow, be intuitive, creative not stick to pre determined patterns, that's how I play hockey.

[Savoie06]

Oh my God, everytime I believe 2K8 is going to be the God I find something better with EA. Should I buy 2K8 first or 08?
Honestly if you can afford it get both because I think both are gonna be stellar.2K8 comes out Sept. 3rd while 08 comes out Sept. 12th I believe.

[Flawed_redemption93]

It's a good idea but I don't like all the arrows appearing during a real game.


I also think that if the A.I. is good you don't need to pre set plays you just go with the flow, be intuitive, creative not stick to pre determined patterns, that's how I play hockey.

Yeah but you are being creative by programming the players to go certain routes that you wanted them to do and the arrows only show for like 5 second to show what play youre doing.

[Savoie06]

Well Im getting 2K8 when it comes out because I need my new hockey game fix.If its not as great as I am hoping I will trade it in for credit or whatever towards 08 because Im pretty confident that game is gonna rock.

[FSOTG]

Yeah but you are being creative by programming the players to go certain routes that you wanted them to do and the arrows only show for like 5 second to show what play youre doing.

If the game is well made you don't need to pre-programme players route, players should know where to go by themselves and you should then decide where to pass or shoot, also good players (1st and 2nd line) should be better at positioning then 3rd or 4th liners...

5 seconds for the arrows is already too much for me.

It's not Football it's HOCKEY!

Would you like a system like that in a Basketball game???

[baandje]

If the game is well made you don't need to pre-programme players route, players should know where to go by themselves
??? All I can say is I'm glad you're not in charge of improving these games.

And give credit where credit is due, LOL. A create-a-play feature is LONG overdue in hockey games.

[FSOTG]

I think a Create a play in Hockey is totally UNNESSESSARY, it's just complicating things when there is no need to! In hockey the play create themselves as you go along.

Do you watch hockey? The only time they try to make plans is at the end of a close game, they get their little board and make all sorts of little plans and at least 90% of the time it don't works.

Hockey is a fast pace game, it's a game of action and reaction, players are supposed to know what to do thats all.

I'm all for improving, but they should improve things that really are in the game not invent them.

[suspectedkiller]

Do you watch hockey? The only time they try to make plans is at the end of a close game, they get their little board and make all sorts of little plans and at least 90% of the time it don't works.



Are you from Cambodia? what do you think they mean when they say `teams are playing their system well'? It's set plays, general positions to be in and routes to follow. Yes it is winging it too... but they sure as hell practice plays and routes to follow.

2K should have a play editor, to make all the plays you desire.. But have the D-pad allow 4 presets a game.. or add plays to the list during time-outs or intermissions. <- Good idea :)

Chris

[FSOTG]

Practicing a system and applying it is not the same as that football style pre set plays and if you don't get that you don't know hockey!

As far as I know that system is not in 2k, and even if it were I wouldn't use it.

[Rei]

I watched the video and changed my opinion.

When exactly are they going to upgrade the defensive side of the game? They're making the game ridiculously easy to play offensively.

[baandje]

Practicing a system and applying it is not the same as that football style pre set plays and if you don't get that you don't know hockey!

As far as I know that system is not in 2k, and even if it were I wouldn't use it.
Oh, so you think NHL teams don't have pre-set plays and on-ice strategy? So, coach just says, "Get out there boys, skate hard, and shoot the puck when you get the chance!"

And you're telling others they don't know hockey?

Sounds like SOUR GRAPES to me, man. Give EA some credit for being the first hockey game to come up with an innovative-sounding play-create system, wow.

[baandje]

Using create a play and tapping a button to have your players go to a designated spot isnt how real hockey is played.
And the developers already explained that isn't the way the sytem works. No buttons to tap. Move the skater into various areas of the ice, and the other players move into position.

[FSOTG]

Oh, so you think NHL teams don't have pre-set plays and on-ice strategy? So, coach just says, "Get out there boys, skate hard, and shoot the puck when you get the chance!"

And you're telling others they don't know hockey?

Sounds like SOUR GRAPES to me, man. Give EA some credit for being the first hockey game to come up with an innovative-sounding play-create system, wow.


I think you just don't understand what you read, so I won't continue arguing with someone that don't seems to want to understand anything I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that they don't have a play book like in football (and that's exactly how it looks to me) and if you don't get that...

I'm done

[Savoie06]

I watched the video and changed my opinion.

When exactly are they going to upgrade the defensive side of the game? They're making the game ridiculously easy to play offensively.
The game has a new "adaptive" defensive AI.That means,you can try something a couple of times but push your luck and the AI will read it and take the puck or take measures to shut the play down.The AI will remember your style of play through out the season,so if you play a team in the playoffs,you have to keep you offense fresh.

[Rei]

The game has a new "adaptive" defensive AI.That means,you can try something a couple of times but push your luck and the AI will read it and take the puck or take measures to shut the play down.The AI will remember your style of play through out the season,so if you play a team in the playoffs,you have to keep you offense fresh.

Ok so then when i make a play i can only use it once or twice at most?

[gohabs93]

I bet you the play you create in nhl 08 will always work and the defense will suck -->alot of goals.

[FSOTG]

I bet you the play you create in nhl 08 will always work and the defense will suck -->alot of goals.

Or it'll never work since when you create them, there is no one on defense!

[baandje]

Or it'll never work since when you create them, there is no one on defense!
LOL! Ha-ha! Right on!

You REALLY hate EA's game, don't you?

[baandje]

I bet you the play you create in nhl 08 will always work and the defense will suck -->alot of goals.
LOL! I'll BET that! Right on!! SUCKS!!!

Anyone on these boards actually interested in an intelligent dialogue on the subject of video hockey?

[baandje]

I think you just don't understand what you read, so I won't continue arguing with someone that don't seems to want to understand anything I'm saying.
What you seem to saying is you already don't like this feature, before even trying it out. And you also seem to be saying you don't like it, based on what seems to be distain for EA's hockey game in general. Or so it seems.

[FSOTG]

What you seem to saying is you already don't like this feature, before even trying it out. And you also seem to be saying you don't like it, based on what seems to be distain for EA's hockey game in general. Or so it seems.


Like I said, you don't understand anything that I wrote!

I don't say I don't like it, I say it don't belong in a hockey game that's all. When you play hockey you react to the situations, you search the openings, you try to take advantage of any mistake the other team makes.

You don't go and began to think, OK this guy is there, the other is over there, they probably want to do that new play in the books bla, bla, bla...

It's not that I hate the EA games, it's just that every time that they come with something no matter what everybody think it's hot and don't see anything wrong, just like with the graphics, everybody thinks they're sooooo great, but if you know just a little bit about proportions of the human body, you see pretty quick that their player model just suck really bad.

[AJ2K7]

[QUOTE=FSOTG]Like I said, you don't understand anything that I wrote!

I don't say I don't like it, I say it don't belong in a hockey game that's all. When you play hockey you react to the situations, you search the openings, you try to take advantage of any mistake the other team makes.

You don't go and began to think, OK this guy is there, the other is over there, they probably want to do that new play in the books bla, bla, bla...

[QUOTE]

Ok so clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. In the NHL coaches do make up plays and players are watching where other players are in relation to where they go. You are wrong Im guessing you dont play hockey but I do mind you I play goal but I know that we had a few plays we would use in some situations. Especaily power plays. The thing you dont get is hockey is a game of reaction but also timing and awarnes if I am a D and I jump up in the play I cant just jump up on the play whne know one expects me to or no ones in position. Se like I watched that EA video and the play they did on the PK would have probably got burned if it didnt work cause they sent everyone down low leaving the point empty. However when I make my play if I pinch my D my Winger will fall back to the point. The funny thing is people are used to the one timers and the dek out everyone and dek the goalie. I dont think the cheesers will use this toll efectivly infact I think if you create a hockey play you need to know something about hockey beside pass and shoot. I think this will give a hockey minded person a upper hand vrs the pass and shoot end to end player. So its belongs in the game but hey if you dont want to use it im pretty sure you dont have to.

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[Savoie06]

Ok so then when i make a play i can only use it once or twice at most?
No,you cant just keep using the same play over and over again.You can go back to it after you switch things up a bit Im sure.

[gohabs93]

Never will EA improve the defense in their games, in any game (nba, nfl,fifa). Every year they have these videos on ign and gamespot where they explain how they improved the defense. Its never the case. I remember last year, they said "nhl 07 has the same defense as nhl 05", which isnt even true. Last year, they said that you cant score the same goal twice on a goalie , he will learn and challenge you next time. I can score the same goal 10 times per game. They are still saying that this year. The more they improve the offense, the more the defense will suck. There werent any penalties other than elbowing in nhl 07. You can do international slashes all you want in a game, the penalty will get called after your 30th slash.

[FSOTG]

Ok so clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. In the NHL coaches do make up plays and players are watching where other players are in relation to where they go. You are wrong Im guessing you dont play hockey but I do mind you I play goal but I know that we had a few plays we would use in some situations. Especaily power plays. The thing you dont get is hockey is a game of reaction but also timing and awarnes if I am a D and I jump up in the play I cant just jump up on the play whne know one expects me to or no ones in position. Se like I watched that EA video and the play they did on the PK would have probably got burned if it didnt work cause they sent everyone down low leaving the point empty. However when I make my play if I pinch my D my Winger will fall back to the point. The funny thing is people are used to the one timers and the dek out everyone and dek the goalie. I dont think the cheesers will use this toll efectivly infact I think if you create a hockey play you need to know something about hockey beside pass and shoot. I think this will give a hockey minded person a upper hand vrs the pass and shoot end to end player. So its belongs in the game but hey if you dont want to use it im pretty sure you dont have to.

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You don't understand anything either. You just take part of a phrase and twist it. I never said that hockey players don't check where other players are and if you though that's what I meant then you're really dumb (you probably are, you can't even quote correctly).

And by the way what you discribe in your post is basic hockey you don't need a create a play feature for your players to do that.

Since nobody seems to understand what I'm trying to say, I think I'll just stop trying.

It's probably that I don't explain myself well enough or maybe everybody is really dumb around here.

Clearly I would prefer the second option to be true, but it's probably that I didn't make myself clear enough.

[SDonahue]

SWEET ****. Reading FSOTG's posts make me want to rip my eyes out and crush them so I never have to go through reading anything like that again.

"The only time they try to make plans is at the end of a close game, they get their little board and make all sorts of little plans and at least 90% of the time it don't works."

WOW

[MLynch23]

ALOT of retards on this thread barely any of you know hockey talking about teams dont make plays it just goes together when you go down the ice that's just a **** headed post and by the way you can turn off the lines on your play so nobody can see it but you have to remember were to set up and the defense is 1000000 times better than 07 goalies are 100000 times better than 07 so get your head out of your *** before you post

[FSOTG]

OK, OK, I'm sorry, you're all sooo right and I'm sooooo wrong.

I realise now that hockey is just a really slow sports and it's so similar to football, that players have all the time in the world to make plans and decide which play to do in their 1 000 000 000 pages play book.

Just one question to MLynch23 where have tried NHL08 to say all those things?

SDonahue, that was sarcasm! I should have probably told since everybody here take everything at first degree.

[suspectedkiller]

the defense is 1000000 times better than 07 goalies are 100000 times better than 07 so get your head out of your *** before you post

Are you saying that as though you are NHL 08 savvy or are you saying you believe that in your ignorance of how you wish it was, since you know the game is not released yet.

To everyone:
Stop getting inside a hockey players head... its play rehearsal and reaction to faults in the other teams strategy.. argument over, next thread. Lets all start a league and take it out there.


Chris

[FSOTG]

Are you saying that as though you are NHL 08 savvy or are you saying you believe that in your ignorance of how you wish it was, since you know the game is not released yet.

To everyone:
Stop getting inside a hockey players head... its play rehearsal and reaction to faults in the other teams strategy.. argument over, next thread. Lets all start a league and take it out there.


Chris


Wow! Really, really well said!:thumbsup:

[SDonahue]

OK, OK, I'm sorry, you're all sooo right and I'm sooooo wrong.

I realise now that hockey is just a really slow sports and it's so similar to football, that players have all the time in the world to make plans and decide which play to do in their 1 000 000 000 pages play book.

Just one question to MLynch23 where have tried NHL08 to say all those things?

SDonahue, that was sarcasm! I should have probably told since everybody here take everything at first degree.


You really don't get it do you?

[SDonahue]

No the NHL does not run like the NFL because things are more dynamic but you keep talking about it like there is no set plays in place before a game. What do you think they keep doing during practice? There are different set plays that are run dynamically during a game. Guys will know where the other guy is going to be because of practice and chemistry. The NHL 08 tool now allows you to create set plays that can be run dynamically during different situation.

[MLynch23]

ok i wish it was..i watched videos of nhl 08 and ea said it there selves the defense is better and goalies are better yea **** happenes when players are on a rush but when there is a face off in another teams zone and they win the face off they set up plays not just do anything and hope something happens they do what the coach tells them to do every sport makes plays you ****in retard they don't just run out there and do whatever u have no idea what hockey is IMO

[baandje]

ok i wish it was..i watched videos of nhl 08 and ea said it there selves the defense is better and goalies are better yea **** happenes when players are on a rush but when there is a face off in another teams zone and they win the face off they set up plays not just do anything and hope something happens they do what the coach tells them to do every sport makes plays you ****in retard they don't just run out there and do whatever u have no idea what hockey is IMO
I agree with your points, but no need for the language. What is the matter with you? Clean up your act or get lost.

[baandje]

ALOT of retards on this thread barely any of you know hockey talking about teams dont make plays it just goes together when you go down the ice that's just a **** headed post and by the way you can turn off the lines on your play so nobody can see it but you have to remember were to set up and the defense is 1000000 times better than 07 goalies are 100000 times better than 07 so get your head out of your *** before you post
OMG, that is freaking ridiculous the way you carry on a conversation. Okay bud, that does it: you're reported, and here's hoping this is the last post we ever see from you around here.

[Rei]

I have no idea what MLynch is saying half the time. I dont think he likes punctuation marks very much.

All i see when i read his posts is *HARD TO READ PARAGRAPH OF TERRIBLE GRAMMAR*

[baandje]

I have no idea what MLynch is saying half the time. I dont think he likes punctuation marks very much.

All i see when i read his posts is *HARD TO READ PARAGRAPH OF TERRIBLE GRAMMAR*
Maybe the dude only posts after he's knocked back a couple of six-packs. That's about the level of his thoughts.

[FSOTG]

OK, one last time, I'll try to be clear.

What I really want to say is if the game is well made, very good A.I. on offence and defence, if the different systems and startegies are well done, then you don't need a feature like pre set plays.

I hope I didn't offended anyone and that I was serious enough, so no one gets confuse or frustrated and go abusing me.

Maybe we should start talking about 2K8 features, even if we don't know much about them.

[MLynch23]

I have no idea what MLynch is saying half the time. I dont think he likes punctuation marks very much.

All i see when i read his posts is *HARD TO READ PARAGRAPH OF TERRIBLE GRAMMAR*



where do you live so i can beat the **** outta you

[MLynch23]

OMG, that is freaking ridiculous the way you carry on a conversation. Okay bud, that does it: you're reported, and here's hoping this is the last post we ever see from you around here.



lmfao BIG BAD 2K COP :cool:

[suspectedkiller]

where do you live so i can beat the **** outta you


You can do more damage to him by making him read your headache inducing posts. HAHA
:rotfl:

[jclutch2k6]

Ok, so here it is,

I have been reading the 2K forums for many weeks now in anticipation NHL 2k8. By no means am I a fanboy of either, I just rent both and buy the better game. Last year I purchased NHL 07 but every year before I have had 2K. Anyways in saying this, people should just play both games and decide for themselves on which they want to buy. Last year the innovation of the skill stick in 08 and the addtion of Cinemotion in 2K8 was enough for me to go with EA. Where this is going, is that the implementation of this create a play feature in 08 will allow people with extensive hockey knowledge and experience set up their favorite plays and cycles. To control the play and essentially dominate.

FSOTG: You say that the AI should already know where to be etc, that may be true
but only so many plays can programmed into a game, thats why this feature is so innovative, you can let your imagination run wild and tap the full potential of the game and the gameplaying experince. Can you not see your ignorance? Oh wait, your French.

gohabs93: another prime example of fanboyism 101, have you even played both games? How can you tell that one has superior AI? French...?

baandje: can you not be a taddle tale, no one likes a taddle tale....

[Savoie06]

Ok, so here it is,

I have been reading the 2K forums for many weeks now in anticipation NHL 2k8. By no means am I a fanboy of either, I just rent both and buy the better game. Last year I purchased NHL 07 but every year before I have had 2K. Anyways in saying this, people should just play both games and decide for themselves on which they want to buy. Last year the innovation of the skill stick in 08 and the addtion of Cinemotion in 2K8 was enough for me to go with EA. Where this is going, is that the implementation of this create a play feature in 08 will allow people with extensive hockey knowledge and experience set up their favorite plays and cycles. To control the play and essentially dominate.

FSOTG: You say that the AI should already know where to be etc, that may be true
but only so many plays can programmed into a game, thats why this feature is so innovative, you can let your imagination run wild and tap the full potential of the game and the gameplaying experince. Can you not see your ignorance? Oh wait, your French.

gohabs93: another prime example of fanboyism 101, have you even played both games? How can you tell that one has superior AI? French...?

baandje: can you not be a taddle tale, no one likes a taddle tale....
Not online it wont because created plays will not be allowed.

[corey.eiges]

Does anyone know if they are keeping the Crease control feature in 2K8. I haven't seen anything about it.

[Savoie06]

Yes,crease control will still be in the game.

[FSOTG]

FSOTG: You say that the AI should already know where to be etc, that may be true
but only so many plays can programmed into a game, thats why this feature is so innovative, you can let your imagination run wild and tap the full potential of the game and the gameplaying experince. Can you not see your ignorance? Oh wait, your French.

gohabs93: another prime example of fanboyism 101, have you even played both games? How can you tell that one has superior AI? French...?

baandje: can you not be a taddle tale, no one likes a taddle tale....


Ok, so you don't like french, good for you.

For the hockey part, just to point out, sorry I won't start all over again, if you don't get it then just to bad for you, it just show that you're more ignorant than you think.

[jclutch2k6]

Ok, so you don't like french, good for you.

For the hockey part, just to point out, sorry I won't start all over again, if you don't get it then just to bad for you, it just show that you're more ignorant than you think.

You just proved my point, that you are indeed lacking one. How am I the ignorant one? No one on here can seem to decipher what you are trying to say?

[FSOTG]

It's just like in your previous post you don't even know what A.I. mean!

I'm saying that with a great A.I. your players would know what to do and where to go, on defense and on offense, so you don't need preprogrammed plays, the plays create themselves as you go along.

If you don't get it, too bad, but you can't say that you have really good point either, "Oh wait, your french! and French..." are pretty sutpid arguments.

[Savoie06]

New argument please or someone close this thread.

[jclutch2k6]

It's just like in your previous post you don't even know what A.I. mean!

I'm saying that with a great A.I. your players would know what to do and where to go, on defense and on offense, so you don't need preprogrammed plays, the plays create themselves as you go along.

If you don't get it, too bad, but you can't say that you have really good point either, "Oh wait, your french! and French..." are pretty sutpid arguments.

no such thing can be created..

[renton]

You can shut the arrows off so they don't show up at all in game play. Your players will skate a play just based on you getting the trigger puck carrier in a specific position on the ice where the play starts...no arrows at all will show up if you turn them off.

[Snow Soldier]

I'm with FSOTG on this one. Real hockey isn't like foot ball where you run routes. A good player (and good ai) reads the play as it develops and gets into a postion depending on team strategy (overload slot etc.). They VERY rarely try elaborate plans becuase good plays happen from pick up openings not trying to pass to a person at a specific point etc.

Nothing is more realistic or feels better then taking the puck into a corner and watching your defensemen pinch in if he see an opening, or haning back if the winger isn't chasing you. It's real hockey and having a player who's an asset and not a liability will always be better then some cheeseball play creater.

and as for the french thing... have you even BEEN to quebec? or did you just listen to what some person told you about the french based off one guy he met in a bar ten years ago?

[Savoie06]

Yeah,you guys are right about the whole play thing,but the feature would still be cool to have for those last minute plays you need to tie a game.Luckily and sadly for EA fans they wont be able to use their created plays online,which personally I would find the most use for them there.

[FSOTG]

I'm with FSOTG on this one. Real hockey isn't like foot ball where you run routes. A good player (and good ai) reads the play as it develops and gets into a postion depending on team strategy (overload slot etc.). They VERY rarely try elaborate plans becuase good plays happen from pick up openings not trying to pass to a person at a specific point etc.

Nothing is more realistic or feels better then taking the puck into a corner and watching your defensemen pinch in if he see an opening, or haning back if the winger isn't chasing you. It's real hockey and having a player who's an asset and not a liability will always be better then some cheeseball play creater.

and as for the french thing... have you even BEEN to quebec? or did you just listen to what some person told you about the french based off one guy he met in a bar ten years ago?

Yeah,you guys are right about the whole play thing,but the feature would still be cool to have for those last minute plays you need to tie a game.Luckily and sadly for EA fans they wont be able to use their created plays online,which personally I would find the most use for them there.

So there is actually some people who agrees with me, damn I'm touch, thanks guys.

Snow Soldier you said exactly what I was trying to say, but way better.

Thanks again! :salute:

[jclutch2k6]

So there is actually some people who agrees with me, damn I'm touch, thanks guys.

Snow Soldier you said exactly what I was trying to say, but way better.

Thanks again! :salute:

Check your grammer Frenchie!

[jclutch2k6]

Oh and by the way, you guys have obviously never played REAL Ice Hockey before.

[Savoie06]

Oh and by the way, you guys have obviously never played REAL Ice Hockey before.
You're right I haven't.

[Snow Soldier]

Oh and by the way, you guys have obviously never played REAL Ice Hockey before.

I'm not gonna be taking advice from some racist little punk who passes off his under-educated views as fact... yet is so busy playing his favorite EA product that he has the time to spam an another companies message board.

and for the record... to anyone who grew up in a country that LIVES hockey... its just that... HOCKEY... not Ice hockey. I'd value your opinoin if it wasn't riddled with racism, stupidity and a general lack anything that is useful to anyone.

[suspectedkiller]

I play hockey constantly, yes, both ice and roller and console. Dont generalize and lash out like you own the joint. Go away if you dislike the conversation.

Savoie nice update... I want your gamertag so we can play online

[Savoie06]

Killer it's savoie06

[FSOTG]

Check your grammer Frenchie!


Check your spelling!!!

What's worst some english that can't spell right or a poor little frenchie that make some mistake in GRAMMAR?

Bien sûr je pourrais écrire en français, mais je ferais tout de même des fautes de grammaire et personne ne me comprendrais. À quoi ça servirait???

[Savoie06]

WOW,someone one these forums is BILINGUAL!!

[FSOTG]

Not bilingual at all, I'm just faking it! In fact I don't understand anything I'm writing right now.

[Savoie06]

and I thought only women faked it :lol:

[Snow Soldier]

Not bilingual at all, I'm just faking it! In fact I don't understand anything I'm writing right now.

You fake it better then me. I just rehearse a speech that informs people I am not accountable for what i MIGHT say in french when I mean something else.