What is the best way to throw deep passes?

[Sosebee]

Do you guys switch to the receiver before the catch and try and jump up and catch it or do you let the CPU do it? Also, the directional passing seems to overthrow the ball. I've tried to catch it manually and with and without directional passing. The closest I can get is when I switch to the reciever and speed burst but man thats alot of buttons to try and hit and then still try and catch the ball with triangle or R1. I have a very low success rate, even when the safety bites to the other side and the receiver is is single coverage against a shorter DB. I know in the NFL it's a low percentage play but it should still work sometimes, especially in single coverage.

Would like to hear some different techniques that everyone uses and success rates. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

GHS and Rev, what you guys got on this one?

[mike6]

Normally when I am looking for a deep play I call hot routes for both of my WRs on the outside to run fly's and have the tight end run an out or a curl. Immediately after i snap the ball i look at the safties and see which side has single coverage and lob the ball to the reciever on that side. If both WRs are doubled i hit the tight end who is my checkdown play and if hte not there i either scramble or throw it away.

[Sosebee]

Thanks for the reply, but I really don't have a problem reading coverages and hot routing. I just can't get the guys to make the play.

[TheWeapon]

I posted this on another thread, but I thought it might be relevant here as well:

IMHO (OPINION so don't start a thread war), it sucks to play against people who DON'T switch to their recievers and/or DON'T switch to the guy in coverage. The way I see it, it is a cop-out to let the computer do the work for you. I probably avg. at least 20-30 pts. a game and I ALWAYS switch to my guys BEFORE they catch/make a defensive play. Sure, I drop some balls that I shouldn't and miss some deflections/INT's that I should've had, but for the most part I make the play more than I miss it AND it makes the TD much more enjoyable if you controlled all the aspects of the play. If I'm going to get beat on defense, I want it to be ME that the other player beats, not depend on the CPU to 'hold my hand' and make a play for me. As for quick passes (bubble screens, short slants, etc..) sometimes it's difficult (at best) to be able to switch in time. But for the most part I switch to the defender/WO 90-95% of the time.

My .02,

TheWeapon

[Sosebee]

I switch and cover on Defense all the time and switch on offense and catch about 30 % of the time until I get better at it. Thanks for the opinions and help but you guys aren't reading the question. What techniques does everyone use when throwing/catching deep passes? Please read the original post.

[ghostfield]

U should try the pump fake . THis works some times. U can either pump fake to the inetended WR or a near by WR or TE so that the CB or Safety bites and then u just throw a bomb to get it over . This is great on speedy receivers. I want to admit that i hardly ever switch to my receiver b/c i think the CPU has a better chance of catching the ball . Im still learning the game and dont play every day to be as good of a player. I do understand thoug that you would get more satisfaction when youu catch it yourself. Maximum passing dont work much f/ me. Its all about timing and I dont have it down yet.

[ghostfield]

... I thinki you mean how do you catch the ball .. you just have to be where the ball is . sometimes it helps if you jump when the CB is all over you or dive if the ball is thrown in front of you .

[jvilldog]

Sosobee what I do is, I use the RB or TE to block if I know I am going to go deep. This works great on the stop and go plays. You have to buy your self sometime and using the RB/TE can do just that.

One guy post that he reads the safeties first. That is probably a bad idea. You should read the blitz first that will enable you to know rather you need to roll or step up in the pocket to get the pass off

[TheWeapon]

Sosabee---the first sentence in your original post stated "Do you guys switch to the receiver before the catch and try and jump up and catch it or do you let the CPU do it?"

I think I answered that didn't I? So maybe you need to go back and read your original post.

Anyhoo, I will explain further....

You won't complete many DEEP passes (as in <40 yards in the air) which is fairly realistic. The best way to catch deep passes is to throw in the 20-30 yard range right after the receiver makes his break. When you throw the ball to a receiver, the computer is going to throw the ball where the WO is running. For instance, if you have a post route called but you throw the ball BEFORE the guy cuts to the inside then your QB will throw a straight pass. If you wait til the WO makes his diagonal move inside and then throw it, depending on the pressure placed on the button, your QB will make a much better pass in my experience.

Put a man in motion before the snap to see if the D is in man or zone coverage. If the defender doesn't follow your man in motion then he is in zone coverage. Now just wait til your WO is IN SPACE between the zones and throw a bullet pass. If man2man then look for the open receiver based on his location vs. the defender guarding him. If the D man is playing off/ahead of your WO (closer to your opponent's end zone) then throw a bullet pass and switch to that WO and jump up to snag the ball out of the air. If the defender is playing close/short of your man then try to lob the pass downfield and run under the ball.

Hope this helps,

TheWeapon

[CanadianClub]

the best way to throw deep passes is in real life to another person running a go-route or 30-yard post

but doing it in video games is, like, the second or third best way

okay? bye-bye

[TheDemyelinator]

I posted this on another thread, but I thought it might be relevant here as well:

IMHO (OPINION so don't start a thread war), it sucks to play against people who DON'T switch to their recievers and/or DON'T switch to the guy in coverage. The way I see it, it is a cop-out to let the computer do the work for you. I probably avg. at least 20-30 pts. a game and I ALWAYS switch to my guys BEFORE they catch/make a defensive play. Sure, I drop some balls that I shouldn't and miss some deflections/INT's that I should've had, but for the most part I make the play more than I miss it AND it makes the TD much more enjoyable if you controlled all the aspects of the play. If I'm going to get beat on defense, I want it to be ME that the other player beats, not depend on the CPU to 'hold my hand' and make a play for me. As for quick passes (bubble screens, short slants, etc..) sometimes it's difficult (at best) to be able to switch in time. But for the most part I switch to the defender/WO 90-95% of the time.


That's my kind of player :) I hate people who let the cpu do all the work, if I wanted to play the cpu I'd play offline



Anyway, don't throw deep passes into double coverage or you wont catch many of em. How to catch the deep pass is the same in the nfl, get an open guy going deep and throw an accurate pass. I always use my reciever to catch the ball, and I don't have too much problems catching any passes, except when the game decides I am not allowed to have another 1st down when it's 3rd and they make a completely wide open guy just flat out drop the ball.

[BANG911]

some tips to make the long catches.....



1 dont over run the ball

2 if its 1 on 1 try to block the CB so that you can hold him for a bit and release when the ball gets close.

3 if the pass is a little to the left or right..try and be about 3 yards in front of where the ball will land and try and be moving left-right when pressing Y sometimes they make one handed jumps that they seem to catch easily

4 you can try stopping 2 yards in front of where the ball will land..... dont press the joystick and when the ball comes sometimes they will make a catch where they jump straight in the air. It works good, its just tough to make them jump

[MarkII]

I agree with the post before me, every word. I want to add that if you don't master max passing you will not be as good as you can with the deep ball.

We are obviously talking about throwing deep against single coverage right? If that is the case, I like to use max passing to either over/under throw or throw inside or outside. All depending on where the DB is. As far as catching that ball, sheilding the DB and attacking the ball are most important.

[BANG911]

i never mentioned maxpassing.... you def should learn to use that to your advantage. I have just started being able to lead my recievers going deep in 2k4... they seem to overthrow them very easily using max passing.

One big advantage is that if the deep ball isn't open you can lead someone closer and get a good 5-10 yard gain.

[GreyHoundSteve]

you want my advice, here it is. I use a 71 rated qb who has a cannon but 65 accuracy so he misses most open wr's down field alot. What i try to do is hit the player in the seam just as they get near the safety with a bullet pass. The safety will usually go for the int and hit the man trailing in coverage so you can run for the long td. I dont throw many passes beyound 20 yards but i get a ton on long td's with bad wr's. The trick to the passing game is timing and position. Go to scrimage mode and call an "all streaks" play and try to throw to each reciever several times to see where your qb is most accurate. I find mine is accurate in the left slot and split right but every qb varies. After you know that, sub yur best wr in that position and look for press coverage without safety help. If i notice a blitz i will hot route to my best wr (who is in the most accurate position) and it only take 2 seconds for them to get a step and then i hit them with a slight lob so that they can catch it in stride or jump to make the play. Against Zone i like to send then up the seam and bullet it right before they get to the safety and hope the safety hits the db in coverage. If they are in a press zone like 2 hard the fade is an easy td just make sure to get it over the cb and before the safety gets over, again its all practice and timing. All of these techniques work well for me but the best advice i can give is just go into scrimage mode with your team vs the phins D and just experiment with different hot routes and motions. I rarey run the play i have called in the huddle. I always make adjustmsts at the line and play off the defense. People rarely run more than 4 defenses and when you can recongnize them and know the right hot route to call vs them you have taken all the guess work out of the play and can concentrate on execution.

[TheDemyelinator]

bwaaahahah, this guy whines about cheese and cheating, but yet is exploiting a glitch or problem in the defense AI to complete a long pass... What a friggin loser!

[GreyHoundSteve]

how is that a glitch? I dont make players dive like idiots they do it themselves. Follow me around some more "simboy" you might learn something.

[TheDemyelinator]

lmfao, oh right so your saying every person you play chooses the safety and goes for the INT? No, more like thec omputer AI alwasy goes for the INT, and that's a glitch in the programming... you exploit it and then whine when people exploit things on you