if you use randall and earl you're not "sim"

[Chop Stick]

not because they're unstoppable, but you're obviously looking for some kind of advantage you think you may have.. yes, earl is probably the best rb in the game.. and yes, randall can break a sack.. but they can be stoped. so please dont let me see you in the lobby demanding to play sim style.. did i mention they also have jerry rice?

the cunningham - earl combination has become some thing people use to try and rack up quick wins.. cheesy if you ask me.

how about putting together a team that would actually take talent?

everybody wants rice, earl, marino, randall, woodson, barney

that's fine and dandy, but dont go around calling yourself "sim" you may play a fair game, but you are not "sim"

[FI_ICKER]

I've only played Campbell once, but the majority of my games are played against Cunningham.

I'm sick of him, Barney, Metzelaars, and Herman Moore.

[ScottyP]

If they play legit, I don't mind.

I've already beat several players with this combination of players. They played a fair game, but I stopped what they considered to be their "advantage". If it can be stopped and they don't try abusing those players all game, I don't have any problem with it.

As for those clowns who do think it's an easy win, I love shutting down the run and then watching them scramble around and throw into gold coverage (read picks) because they don't have any way to run the ball.

[freshness601]

You shouls add Okye too

[Xtotheca]

if you pickk legends....your cheesing lol

[guava9]

I've played the Randall-Sanders-Rice-Barney combination so many times that its starting to get easy to shut down. I don't have a huge problem stopping Earl Campbell. OJ does the most damge to me

[kcxiv]

Okoye isnt great in this game. He can be tackled fairly easy. I use him sometimes. Nothing great about him. He can break tackles against scrubs but not against guys silver and gold.

[xTHExJUICEx]

enough of this sim talk, God this place is full of cry babies....tell me why cant i use Randell and Earl the way they use to play the game? "bu bu bu its not the simmm"

[chestnutz6]

I use Randall from time to time just because I like his rocket arm ability, and he's one of my favorite players of all time. I rarely scramble with him.

Campbell is good, but I don't use him much.

[Higgus]

Hmmm.. when I play a Rice/Randall/Earl team.. I admit I sometimes feel like they're trying to abuse me or get an advantage. But, if they play fair I still consider them sim.

Especially since I have my own team built similar to that i can switch to if someones gonna use a team like that.

I really don't like the idea of calling people un-sim just because they pick great legends. I mean, as soon as 2K announced the legends in the game, I was dreaming of being Rice, Randall.. and when they added Earl to the mix, I thought if they can't get Jim Brown, at least they got Earl.

This also means they have no Gold on defense.. you should be able to abuse their defense. Only time you can't, is if they spent all their Bronze and 2 silver picks on defense. And if they did that, Rice/Randall/Earl isn't goin to be enough on O for them.. You can triple Rice every pass play and lock all LBs to Earl.

So you really should be able to find a way to equal it out, or at least create 1 team designed to shut them down. Barney on Rice with Ronnie Lott over the top works more than well for me. And Ronnie can help shut Earl down.

[Chop Stick]

I use Randall from time to time just because I like his rocket arm ability, and he's one of my favorite players of all time. I rarely scramble with him.

Campbell is good, but I don't use him much.

picking somebody youre a fan of is different..

picking people in each position just trying to get a little advantage is cheesy

how fun is that? ive thought to myself.. why dont i get earl? with how good i am with running the ball on this game.. but then i say no. id rather just pick players to have fun and have a challenge

[DallasOwnsNFC]

I dont exactly get who the hell you are to tell people if their sim or not?

[Ihategeeks]

I play with 4 offensive players
Kreig Qb
Ricky TB
Rathman FB
Metz TE

When I'm feeling kinky I up the QB, but that's basically what I roll with.
3 Bronze and a Silver. I still get called cheese because I have 3 players for the perfect system running my perfect plays making my perfect reads of the defense.
And after that I have 7 defensive players, 2 gold, 2 silver, and 3 Bronze giving me a front or back 7 from hell.

"you're just running the same 3 plays"
No, it just looks like that, I am running the same 20 plays.
The same 3 guys are getting open though

[hooman1844]

I wouldn't say it's cheese, but it's really lame. I'm sick of Rice-Cunningham-Campbell. Try something else.

[bigfnjoe96]

I play with 4 offensive players
Kreig Qb
Ricky TB
Rathman FB
Metz TE

When I'm feeling kinky I up the QB, but that's basically what I roll with.
3 Bronze and a Silver. I still get called cheese because I have 3 players for the perfect system running my perfect plays making my perfect reads of the defense.
And after that I have 7 defensive players, 2 gold, 2 silver, and 3 Bronze giving me a front or back 7 from hell.

"you're just running the same 3 plays"
No, it just looks like that, I am running the same 20 plays.
The same 3 guys are getting open though
Que pasa geeks.... Where you been @?

As for this so-called "COMBO" I hate to say-it, but "Step Your Game-Up" Anyone can be stopped on any given Game. Anyone!

[Ihategeeks]

I wouldn't say it's cheese, but it's really lame. I'm sick of Rice-Cunningham-Campbell. Try something else.

That combo is pretty easy to deal with.
A gold CB/MLB combo with a Run Stuffer and you're set.

[Ihategeeks]

Que pasa geeks.... Where you been @?

Waiting for this damn game to come out ^_^

[RedRaider80]

my D is built to shut down any WR or running back, Rod Woodson, Lott, Lloyd, Youngblood, Paup, and Harvey Martin. Lloyd takes down most running backs with ease. Lott and Woodson can shut down 2 recievers and take them almost completely out of the game. Paup can shut down a generic (I know its not hard) he can also blitz very well. Youngblood and Martin get good pass rush. I can score 20-30 points a gm. I have Harbaugh, Okoye, Dwight Clark, Rocket and Coates. So, shutting down High Powered Os are pretty easy for me.

[Xagoth]

Being sim has nothing to do with the players you use.

It has to do with how you use them.

Earl Campbell is fine to choose. But running him 43 times in a 20 minute game, is nowhere NEAR sim.

I know how a lot of you feel though. I am sick of playing against the Rice and Cunningham combo (I have been oddly lucky that in the 40+ games I have played online, I have faced Campbell, maybe 3 times), not because I cant stop them, but just because I know its going to be another game of me doubling Rice with Lott and having Singletary spy on Cunningham, EVERY play.

What I find boring, is I do just what I described and what does my opponent do? Does he perhaps, try and keep me honest by throwing to different receivers or using his bronze/silver back? Nope, guess his ego wont let him quit trying to bomb it to rice (Lott gets a TON of his INT's against Rice users on my team).

Like I said, has zero to do with me not being able to stop them. Its just when I face a Rice/Cunningham user, they just cant seem to NOT focus on JUST them. And they refuse to change their gameplan when I shut that down, which is boring for me.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

I don't have this game, but personally, it sounds like y'all are gettin mad because the people that use this combo are trying to create an advantage, which seems pretty sim to me. In real life, if you know you have an advantage, you're going to try to take advantage of it and abuse it until the opposition can figure out a way to stop you. When something's working for you, why would you want to change it up just so the opponent doesn't get upset?

[nflhitman]

I have a problem with you saying someone is not " SIM " because you dont know how to play defense! I dont use Randall, Earl, or Rice but how is that not easy to beat? Just because your gonna be ignorant and not pick the players with the best attributes to cover them because you say your "SIM" then I say your not "SIM" your just "DUMB!" I find that the QB spy works better on this game than any other game I have ever played. My DE can handle Randall running, my LB's and SS can handle Earl, especially in 4-4 Defense and to say Jerry Rice is unstopable is a laugher. Learn how to play " DEFENSE " Maybe all you who cry about Earl need to watch Video highlights of him when he ran the ball and see how many defenders he abused. I hear people crying about TE's in this game that they cant be covered and at the same time you look at there average LB's and know why they say that. Start investing some LB's and CB's instead of other picks. I also find that investing in a D-Line doesnt work well against the run since if they get blocked they are not chasing down any RB in this game so I put all my Defense in Secondary and in the LB core. My team against Earl, Randall, and Rice is this for Defense. Dave Wilcox Gold OLB, Jessie Tuggle Silver ILB, and Greg Loyyd Silver OLB, for Earl and Lem Barney Silver CB, Terry Mcdaniel Bronze CB, and Eugene Robinson Bronze FS and I play other Safety and I dont get beat by them, in fact most quit early in the game especially when they go to run Randall and get taken down by a no name DE who I had spying him. Just like the flea flicker in this game that everyone complains about LOL. I have had that done to me about 40 times and had only 3 completed. Stop Blitzing and maybe you wont get beat. I never blitz, AND STOP SAYING SOMETHING IS A GLITCH BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO DEFEND IT!

[Phenomenal J123]

As of late i have been palying with Sanders/Rice/Cunningham....and if you play me then you know i am SIM.

It has NOTHING to do with the players you pick but how you use those players. The only reason im using them as now is because i have been struggling on offense as of late. So i look to amp things up on O-side since my D has been playing very well.

It's just a game...play how you feel. Get out of here with saying people choosing certain players is not SIM.....biggest LOL of the day.

[RedskinsFan411]

Whine, whine whine...that's all you people do on these boards.

"SO AND SO FEATURE ISN'T IN TEH GAME IT SUXS"
"I CANT STOP EARL, ZOMG"
"FLEA FLICKERS ARE SUCK"

If you do not like playing cheesers online, do what I do. Make some friends, get together, turn off the commentators, turn off any stupid, game-controlling penalties, have custom game sliders, up the time limit (I usually do 8 minutes per) and trust eachother not to abuse cheap players or plays. That way, you get a truly "sim" experience, and you don't have to worry about cheesers. And you get to play with your actual friends. You won't be neg-rating eachother, and you don't have to hook up your mic to get a good game or a positive rating. You can have fun and play a VIDEO GAME instead of complaining about cheesers online and how they're not sim.

Stop complaining and play the game, I see about 15 of these threads daily.

[Chop Stick]

I dont exactly get who the hell you are to tell people if their sim or not?

im one of the most respected online users.. if not the most respected. that's who i am.. im the guy who gets challenge after challenge.. why? because people know i take my *** beatings like a man. i dont cheat.. and 92 % of people with 80 votes have had a good time playing me.. that's who i am.

who are you? it doesnt matter.

the bottom line is.. i play this game to have fun.. i dont care about winning.. there have been games that ive given my opponent the win.. just because i wanted to try something new, or just wanted to play completely fair.. knowing i could've gotten it on 4th and 2 and sometimes 4th and 1

..

[whoady4shoady]

You shouls add Okye too

You suck if you are serious.

[GreyHoundSteve]

I dont mind people using certain players but i dont like it when they abuse them. An example is i just got done playing a guy who had Campbell and Todd Christensen and all he did was throw swing passes to campbell and if i had the flats well covered then he would motion Christensen inside the olb and throw the skinny, if i had both routes covered then he would motion Christensen back and forth until he had a gap big enough to squeeze it in. This guy ran the same play at least 25 times and maybe 5 other plays total. Now not only is that garbage but what really bugs me is that Campbell is NOT much of a receiver out of the backfield but in this game anyone can catch swings passes all day. Now if it was Allen or Craig i would let it slide but Campbell only had more than 20 catches ONE TIME IN HIS CAREER yet this guy threw to him at least 10 times in one game .... thats abuse and NOT SIM! His ps3 tag is Brahman187, oh and he gave me a negative rating too.

[SD21]

not because they're unstoppable, but you're obviously looking for some kind of advantage you think you may have.. yes, earl is probably the best rb in the game.. and yes, randall can break a sack.. but they can be stoped. so please dont let me see you in the lobby demanding to play sim style.. did i mention they also have jerry rice?

the cunningham - earl combination has become some thing people use to try and rack up quick wins.. cheesy if you ask me.

how about putting together a team that would actually take talent?

everybody wants rice, earl, marino, randall, woodson, barney

that's fine and dandy, but dont go around calling yourself "sim" you may play a fair game, but you are not "sim"

Stop whining. Anybody can use who they want. Yeah, Campbell can be frustrating to play against but so are players on 2K5. Get over it.

[Soodmeg]

I have a problem with you saying someone is not " SIM " because you dont know how to play defense! I dont use Randall, Earl, or Rice but how is that not easy to beat? Just because your gonna be ignorant and not pick the players with the best attributes to cover them because you say your "SIM" then I say your not "SIM" your just "DUMB!" I find that the QB spy works better on this game than any other game I have ever played. My DE can handle Randall running, my LB's and SS can handle Earl, especially in 4-4 Defense and to say Jerry Rice is unstopable is a laugher. Learn how to play " DEFENSE " Maybe all you who cry about Earl need to watch Video highlights of him when he ran the ball and see how many defenders he abused. I hear people crying about TE's in this game that they cant be covered and at the same time you look at there average LB's and know why they say that. Start investing some LB's and CB's instead of other picks. I also find that investing in a D-Line doesnt work well against the run since if they get blocked they are not chasing down any RB in this game so I put all my Defense in Secondary and in the LB core. My team against Earl, Randall, and Rice is this for Defense. Dave Wilcox Gold OLB, Jessie Tuggle Silver ILB, and Greg Loyyd Silver OLB, for Earl and Lem Barney Silver CB, Terry Mcdaniel Bronze CB, and Eugene Robinson Bronze FS and I play other Safety and I dont get beat by them, in fact most quit early in the game especially when they go to run Randall and get taken down by a no name DE who I had spying him. Just like the flea flicker in this game that everyone complains about LOL. I have had that done to me about 40 times and had only 3 completed. Stop Blitzing and maybe you wont get beat. I never blitz, AND STOP SAYING SOMETHING IS A GLITCH BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO DEFEND IT!



I agree. I am really really really sick of all these whiney cry baby people hiding behind their precious "sim" title.

Look...no one cares anymore. The word "Sim" as become the new "Noob" title....in which every time you say it..you sound more ignorant with each use. It is also similar to the fact that ythe meaning is so broad so abstract that it can be appiled to damn near everything.Lets make a list of things that are considered "not sim."

Earl is not sim
Rice is not sim
Randell is not sim
Charge moves is not sim
Throwing to star players more than once a game is not sim
Throwing to much is not sim
Not throwing enough is not sim
Runing to much is not sim
Not running enough is not sim
Out rountes is not sim
In rountes is not sim
Fade rountes is not sim
Passing on 4th down is not sim
Running on 4th downis not sim
Going for it at all on 4th down is not sim
Kicking it toward the corner on Kickoffis not sim
Blitzing is not sim
To many INT is not sim
Not enough INTis not sim
Dropping back 30 yards is not sim
Doubling WR the entire game is not sim


As you can see most of these things apply to the offensive only. Thats beause "Sim" players suck completely at defense. They use the "sim" title as an excuse to play the same defense over and over and over because they expect the offense to only do things that they want. Seriously you "sim" guys should stop even calling yourselfs that. Just tell everyone what you really want....People who consider themselfs "sim" whant everyone to play within their VERY VERY VERY VERY small box of skill.

Most "Sim" guys are not good enough to adjust to anything. They are also not smart/ to scared to try anything new. You see these "sim" guys only want to call 4-8 plays a game because they know those plays SHOULD work....and when they dont work they start up the waterworks and cry about it. They dont want to have to think to win a game because that would be to hard for them. So they sit on their couches and play games and expect everyone to only play the way they know how to play and if anything comes along that they cant figure out how to stop within 10 seconds they will right the game off as cheese.



I have a question for all "sim" players that talk endlessly about how they only lost because I ran no huddle offense the entire game and thats why I won 45-7.

Was it my offense that made you go 3 and out 10 times? Was it my pass to Jerry Rice that made you thow 2 INT? Or was it my 12th run to the right side that made you get sacked 3 times? Must of been me going for it on 4th down that got your punt blocked huh? You "sim" guys seem to forget that there is two sides to the ball. Where the hell were you at on offense? So just admit it. You are just not good at the game. Even if someone knew every glitch on offense in the world....the score should then be 45-45 at the end of the game......

SOMEONE CALL THE NFL BECAUSE THE SERCERT TO A STELLAR DEFENSE IS ACTUALLY CHEESING ON OFFENSE!!!! Who would a thunk it.

[SD21]

im one of the most respected online users.. if not the most respected. that's who i am.. im the guy who gets challenge after challenge.. why? because people know i take my *** beatings like a man. i dont cheat.. and 92 % of people with 80 votes have had a good time playing me.. that's who i am.

who are you? it doesnt matter.

the bottom line is.. i play this game to have fun.. i dont care about winning.. there have been games that ive given my opponent the win.. just because i wanted to try something new, or just wanted to play completely fair.. knowing i could've gotten it on 4th and 2 and sometimes 4th and 1

..

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

BTW I'm laughing at chopstick, not the dude he's talking to. "I'm the most respected player" :rotfl:

[Chop Stick]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

:dance: :dance:

[NikePowered]

I dont mind people using certain players but i dont like it when they abuse them.

I couldn't agree more. Anybody who has been around long enough knows exactly what true sim ballin is.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I have said it before and I will say it again
Just because you have trouble stopping a certain player does not make him CHEESE

One of the cheesiest things I see going on lately are these moronic (out of position) substitutions that people are making

[guava9]

Its not that using these guys isn't sim, its that people are using them to get whatever advantage they can. People see a silver or bronze with 4 or 5 abilties, they jump all over that ****.

People want to win to god damn much. I mean, it can't actually be fun if you're constantly playing just to get your rank up.

People don't think they can have fun and win at the same time. That's why you see all these people with the same players.

"Randall Cunningham has 5 abilities. oooo I want that. I wanna be the best!"
"Solomon Wilcotts? Nope. Nothing special. Better just get Charlie Waters."
"Lem Barney or Mel Renfro? Lem Barney has better abilities...."
"Ben Coates or Billy Joe Dupree. Since I bought this game to win, win, win; Coates."

If you wanna use all the guys other people have, then go ahead. It isn't cheese. Its just boring to always be playing against them. Its a shame people get the same guys but nobody ever has guys like Wilcotts, Renfro or Dupree. Or even gold guys like Hornung, Staubach and Otto Graham.

[soda]

I have claimed Marino for years, before a legend game was announced. On 2K5 my bro while playing the dolphins would always say Marino back to pass over the mic, to let people know how good he was at passing. Now that I have Dan I not gonna let him go. I am good with Barry but I can be stopped and have been. I've created a very balanced Dolphins of year 2020 team. I find some players difficult but I just figure them out.

[NikePowered]

I play to win, and anyone who says they don't are full of it. Does that mean I play to win at any cost..of course not. I play the game the way it was intended to be played as close to the real deal as possible. Win or lose I play the same, and I never quit or d/c.
I want my 50 wins online so I can actually make my Ravens in this game, and yes I will create a Gold Ray Lewis and Ed reed, and yes I will give them both 5 abilities. Call me what you will but that is the beautiful thing about this game.

[DeusExMachina]

"Randall Cunningham has 5 abilities. oooo I want that. I wanna be the best!"
"Solomon Wilcotts? Nope. Nothing special. Better just get Charlie Waters."
"Lem Barney or Mel Renfro? Lem Barney has better abilities...."
"Ben Coates or Billy Joe Dupree. Since I bought this game to win, win, win; Coates."

If you wanna use all the guys other people have, then go ahead. It isn't cheese. Its just boring to always be playing against them. Its a shame people get the same guys but nobody ever has guys like Wilcotts, Renfro or Dupree. Or even gold guys like Hornung, Staubach and Otto Graham.

I agree with guava here. Look players online will glitch because it will always be glitches in football games no matter what.

Anyway stop complaining if you can't stop Earl or Randall, etc. You can it's not that difficult or at least most players spend time cryin instead of practice how to win.

[BofaDeezNutts]

guava9 posted:
Its not that using these guys isn't sim, its that people are using them to get whatever advantage they can. People see a silver or bronze with 4 or 5 abilties, they jump all over that ****.

People want to win to god damn much. I mean, it can't actually be fun if you're constantly playing just to get your rank up.

People don't think they can have fun and win at the same time. That's why you see all these people with the same players.


"Randall Cunningham has 5 abilities. oooo I want that. I wanna be the best!"
"Solomon Wilcotts? Nope. Nothing special. Better just get Charlie Waters."
"Lem Barney or Mel Renfro? Lem Barney has better abilities...."
"Ben Coates or Billy Joe Dupree. Since I bought this game to win, win, win; Coates."

If you wanna use all the guys other people have, then go ahead. It isn't cheese. Its just boring to always be playing against them. Its a shame people get the same guys but nobody ever has guys like Wilcotts, Renfro or Dupree. Or even gold guys like Hornung, Staubach and Otto Graham.
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Yeah......I see where you are coming from but, that doesn't bother me.
I have only one team and have been trying different players every game just so, I can make my own opinion of how they play irregardless of there stats. At first being a huge redskin fan I had all redskins but, that got boring quick. I myself, usually pick players that I know and have watched in the past..........makes it more fun for me.

p.s. I have been using Earl Campbell lately because, he fits into my style of play which is why I am tired of hearing his name and cheese in the same sentence. Because, I am far from being a cheezy player

[Chop Stick]

Its not that using these guys isn't sim, its that people are using them to get whatever advantage they can. People see a silver or bronze with 4 or 5 abilties, they jump all over that ****.

People want to win to god damn much. I mean, it can't actually be fun if you're constantly playing just to get your rank up.

People don't think they can have fun and win at the same time. That's why you see all these people with the same players.

"Randall Cunningham has 5 abilities. oooo I want that. I wanna be the best!"
"Solomon Wilcotts? Nope. Nothing special. Better just get Charlie Waters."
"Lem Barney or Mel Renfro? Lem Barney has better abilities...."
"Ben Coates or Billy Joe Dupree. Since I bought this game to win, win, win; Coates."

If you wanna use all the guys other people have, then go ahead. It isn't cheese. Its just boring to always be playing against them. Its a shame people get the same guys but nobody ever has guys like Wilcotts, Renfro or Dupree. Or even gold guys like Hornung, Staubach and Otto Graham.

couldnt of said it better myself. exactly my point.

[Soodmeg]

couldnt of said it better myself. exactly my point.


So because they dont want to pick the guys YOU want them to pick its not sim?

Why dont you pick Otto Grahm if you care that much to see him in the game.

Why dont you guys take the first step.....pick Otto and all the under used guys and start beating people left and right then maybe people will start following.

But dont come on here saying their not sim just because you have a aching heart for the under used guys.

[NikePowered]

So because they dont want to pick the guys YOU want them to pick its not sim?

Why dont you pick Otto Grahm if you care that much to see him in the game.

Why dont you guys take the first step.....pick Otto and all the under used guys and start beating people left and right then maybe people will start following.

But dont come on here saying their not sim just because you have a aching heart for the under used guys.


Thats exactly it, in this persons eyes your only sim if you play the way he wants.

[Champ003]

Yeah since they can be stopped they're obviously not "sim", moron. Quit crying because you don't like it that certain people pick certain players, just be a man and suck it up.

[guava9]

Yeah since they can be stopped they're obviously not "sim", moron. Quit crying because you don't like it that certain people pick certain players, just be a man and suck it up.

If you're talking to me, I just said it wasn't cheap. Go back, read it again.

[ElGreazy78]

not because they're unstoppable, but you're obviously looking for some kind of advantage you think you may have.. yes, earl is probably the best rb in the game.. and yes, randall can break a sack.. but they can be stoped. so please dont let me see you in the lobby demanding to play sim style.. did i mention they also have jerry rice?

the cunningham - earl combination has become some thing people use to try and rack up quick wins.. cheesy if you ask me.

how about putting together a team that would actually take talent?

everybody wants rice, earl, marino, randall, woodson, barney

that's fine and dandy, but dont go around calling yourself "sim" you may play a fair game, but you are not "sim"
That's b.s. because I use Cunningham with one of my teams and I rarely ever use the guy to scramble unless I absolutely have to. The only reason I have him is because he always poses that threat of being able to take off at any moment and that is something that I want to leave in my opponents mind so he never knows what's coming so what is wrong with that? That's the way he played in real life and that's the way coaches take advantage of any QB who can scramble from Vince Young to Steve Young. If that's not playing TRUE SIM STYLE football than I don't know what is and you should get over playing soft defense and quit being a baby about losing.

[guava9]

That's b.s. because I use Cunningham with one of my teams and I rarely ever use the guy to scramble unless I absolutely have to. The only reason I have him is because he always poses that threat of being able to take off at any moment and that is something that I want to leave in my opponents mind so he never knows what's coming so what is wrong with that? That's the way he played in real life and that's the way coaches take advantage of any QB who can scramble from Vince Young to Steve Young. If that's not playing TRUE SIM STYLE football than I don't know what is and you should get over playing soft defense and quit being a baby about losing.

The Randall advantage has almost nothing to do with his scrambling abiltiy. I haven't seen anyone get off a QB run longer than 10 yards anyways. Like Chop Stick and I have said, its about getting whatever advantage you can to win. People just grab the guys with the most abilities, which takes no skill.

[Champ003]

If you're talking to me, I just said it wasn't cheap. Go back, read it again.
No, I was talking to Chop Stick, guess I should have quoted his post.

[ElGreazy78]

The Randall advantage has almost nothing to do with his scrambling abiltiy. I haven't seen anyone get off a QB run longer than 10 yards anyways. Like Chop Stick and I have said, its about getting whatever advantage you can to win. People just grab the guys with the most abilities, which takes no skill.
But at the same time, you have to agree that Randall is probably better than any other Silver level QB. The only reason I don't use Stabler (who's also a great scrambler) is because I just can't adjust to the southpaw thrower.

[guava9]

But at the same time, you have to agree that Randall is probably better than any other Silver level QB. The only reason I don't use Stabler (who's also a great scrambler) is because I just can't adjust to the southpaw thrower.

Yes, according to abilities, Randall is the best silver QB. I haven't seen overhwhelming evidence on the field that he is the best and I've haven't used him so I can't compare it to the only other silvers I've used Theisman or Dawson. But thats why people get him - his 5 abilities.

[ElGreazy78]

Well, we'll agree to disagree (even though I don't think we're debating anything :lol: ). I simply prefer a scrambling QB because he better fits my "high octane" based offense.

[guava9]

I'll agree with the scambling QB thing. On one of my teams I have a generic QB who likes to get outside of the pocket and throw. I don't usually run with him though.

[2Nyce]

not because they're unstoppable, but you're obviously looking for some kind of advantage you think you may have.. yes, earl is probably the best rb in the game.. and yes, randall can break a sack.. but they can be stoped. so please dont let me see you in the lobby demanding to play sim style.. did i mention they also have jerry rice?

the cunningham - earl combination has become some thing people use to try and rack up quick wins.. cheesy if you ask me.

how about putting together a team that would actually take talent?

everybody wants rice, earl, marino, randall, woodson, barney

that's fine and dandy, but dont go around calling yourself "sim" you may play a fair game, but you are not "sim"

WTF?

I have Rod Woodson and Lem Barney.

I want the best possible team...like everyone else. My team is based on coverage defense, so expect me to have the "cheesiest" defense because I took the best coverage guys.



This is stupid. You call people not sim because they happen to want the best team possible?

This is getting ridiculous.

EVERY player is stoppable. EVERY player.

[marc68]

If you throw more than you pass your not sim!!!! If you run to the outside more than inside your not sim....if you throw on first down....your not sim....

enough,,,,,dumbest....thread....ever!!!

[guava9]

Did you get the chance to read past the first post?

[meck77]

Play with any combination of players that you want. sim has nothing to do with your lineup in this game it has to do with the onside kick everytime ,always go on 4th run with the quarterback over and over and over and etc......... not your lineup. and for all you cheesers you can bring your earl and randall combo and I will still beat you sim. GT MECK77.

[marc68]

Did you get the chance to read past the first post?


Yeahhh...I have heard all this argument before. Its silly....like on Madden people wanna use the BEST team, so they pick the Pats, Colts, ect.

Now APF has given us the chance to make our super team and people are complaining.....

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

you're not sim if you choose one of the players that 2k paid a lot of money to be available for use in their game....

:rotfl:

good call :thumbsup:

[Champ003]

you're not sim if you choose one of the players that 2k paid a lot of money to be available for use in their game....

:rotfl:

good call :thumbsup:
Yeah, apparently the only way you can be "sim" nowadays is if your team is filled with players that have less than 3 abilities.

[vicious776]

I don't think the OP knows what sim actually means. It has nothing to do with your team. It's all about how you PLAY

[Soodmeg]

Yeah, apparently the only way you can be "sim" nowadays is if your team is filled with players that have less than 3 abilities.



PFFFT. Here is the only way to be truely "sim"

1. Pick Team
2. Start Game
3. Select the coin toss.
4. Return/Kick
5. Set controller down


Thats the only way to truely be a hardcore sim player. Pffft....you damn cheesers? DONT YOU KNOW PRESSING BUTTONS ON THE CONTROLLERS IS NOT SIM! Noobs.







As a side note though. Have you guys ever noticed that these "sim" players always controller D-Lineman every down? This further proves my point that "sim" players just truely dont know how the hell to play defense. They are to scared to play with any other postion so they pick the....smash A button and hope to god I run into QB/RB in time.

Thats whats is really starting to **** me off lately. People complaining that the only reason I win is because I cheese but they are to scared to manually do ANYTHING so they cower behind their "sim" title and play as DT the entire game........:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Marc123]

this thread is BS imo. anyway u play is sim. unless ur going for it on every 4th down & u run the same 1 or 2 plays on every single down. for every gold & silver picks there are other gold & silver picks to match up w/ them.

for example i played a dude last nite who had Randall, Earl & Rice. I had Rod Woodson, D. Butkis, Carl Banks, Jack Tatum & a bronze DT. yes Rod gave up 4-5 big plays to Rice. but i still won 38-24. becuz he didnt have enuff Defense. & i doubled Rice & contained Earl.....

ppl need 2 stop complaining!!!!!

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I agree with TC. I play the same players over and over again. I've played 100+ games and mabey 5 times i have played a team that didn't have Lem Barney. People just see his abilities and jump at him even though Lester Hayes is a better tackler and gives up less ground but oohh he dosen't have the abilities.

[Xagoth]

PFFFT. Here is the only way to be truely "sim"

1. Pick Team
2. Start Game
3. Select the coin toss.
4. Return/Kick
5. Set controller down


Thats the only way to truely be a hardcore sim player. Pffft....you damn cheesers? DONT YOU KNOW PRESSING BUTTONS ON THE CONTROLLERS IS NOT SIM! Noobs.







As a side note though. Have you guys ever noticed that these "sim" players always controller D-Lineman every down? This further proves my point that "sim" players just truely dont know how the hell to play defense. They are to scared to play with any other postion so they pick the....smash A button and hope to god I run into QB/RB in time.

Thats whats is really starting to **** me off lately. People complaining that the only reason I win is because I cheese but they are to scared to manually do ANYTHING so they cower behind their "sim" title and play as DT the entire game........:rotfl: :rotfl:

I agree, your ability to press buttons, has NOTHING to do with whether you are a sim player or not.

So, playing D-line or LB or DB has NOTHING to do with whether you are a sim player or not, even by YOUR standards.

I don't get the D-line player hate. No matter what position you choose to play, the CPU is playing the other 10 players.

People like you complain about D-line players, because you understand a DB controlled by a human is going to make more mistakes than a CPU, which means you will score more. Yeah, real gutsy there pal.

Quit worrying about what position a person plays on D and just play the game.

***Being sim is about playcalling and EXECUTION, NOT about what players you choose for your team or what players you CONTROL on defense.***

By they way, anyone who has played me in my 40+ games online, knows I play as one of my safeties, so I am not trying to defend what I personally play. I am just not so arrogant to say, just because I can play decently off the line, EVERYONE should. Get over yourself.

You are just as bad as the people who whine about every last thing not being "sim' with your complaints about people not controlling people other than the D-line on defense.

In MY opinion, people who try and bully people in to playing other positions than which they are comfortable playing, are just looking for easy scores against human controlled LB's and DB's.

I dont give two craps about what position my opponent plays on defense. I only care they vary their playcalling and try and maintain the integrity of the game.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I agree, your ability to press buttons, has NOTHING to do with whether you are a sim player or not.

So, playing D-line or LB or DB has NOTHING to do with whether you are a sim player or not, even by YOUR standards.

I don't get the D-line player hate. No matter what position you choose to play, the CPU is playing the other 10 players.

People like you complain about D-line players, because you understand a DB controlled by a human is going to make more mistakes than a CPU, which means you will score more. Yeah, real gutsy there pal.

Quit worrying about what position a person plays on D and just play the game.

***Being sim is about playcalling and EXECUTION, NOT about what players you choose for your team or what players you CONTROL on defense.***

By they way, anyone who has played me in my 40+ games online, knows I play as one of my safeties, so I am not trying to defend what I personally play. I am just not so arrogant to say, just because I can play decently off the line, EVERYONE should. Get over yourself.

You are just as bad as the people who whine about every last thing not being "sim' with your complaints about people not controlling people other than the D-line on defense.

I dont give two craps about what position my opponent plays on defense. I only care they vary their playcalling and try and maintain the integrity of the game.


When you play dline all you are trying to do is sack the qb it takes no skill. Just a mashing of buttons. Whereas if you play a lb or saftey you get to cover,tackle and overall impact the game more. Playing against a dline player is no different then playing the CPU,you are just using the dline to mask your shortcomings as a player its quite that simple. I have never respected someones game when they have used dline because i know that person is completly devoid of skill.

[Xagoth]

When you play dline all you are trying to do is sack the qb it takes no skill. Just a mashing of buttons. Whereas if you play a lb or saftey you get to cover,tackle and overall impact the game more. Playing against a dline player is no different then playing the CPU,you are just using the cpu to mask your shortcomings as a player simple. I really do enjoy the justification some of you retartds use.

Justifications of WHAT? (oh, and retard is spelled RETARD....retard)

I dont play Dline.

I just dont care what my opponent plays on defense, because I am actually confident enough in my offensive abilities, I dont need someone to use a DB or LB and wait for them to be out of position, for me to score.

Again, get over yourself.

Maybe if you had enough skill on OFFENSE, you wouldnt be worried about what people play on defense....

Also to add...sacking the QB is a huge part of the NFL. But, you cant really take advantage of a player trying to sack the QB, so people like you try and bully them in to playing other positions to make up for your shortcomings on offense....sad. :(

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Justifications of WHAT? (oh, and retard is spelled RETARD....retard)

I dont play Dline.

I just dont care what my opponent plays on defense, because I am actually confident enough in my offensive abilities, I dont need someone to use a DB or LB and wait for them to be out of position, for me to score.

Again, get over yourself.

Maybe if you had enough skill on OFFENSE, you wouldnt be worried about what people play on defense....

Also to add...sacking the QB is a huge part of the NFL. But, you cant really take advantage of a player trying to sack the QB, so people like you try and bully them in to playing other positions to make up for your shortcomings on offense....sad. :(

Taking advantage of a player out of POS has nothing to do with why i prefer my players to use a SKILL position. The reason why is because i can play offline if i wanted to play against the CPU.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

can't we all just.... GET ALONG!!!!!

And Killah, YOU'RE ON TIMEOUT!!!! For calling names

[ImBACKK,killah5]

can't we all just.... GET ALONG!!!!!

And Killah, YOU'RE ON TIMEOUT!!!! For calling names


:thumbsdow I sure hope you weren't trying to make an attempt at humor because if you were Rip you failed:rolleyes: .

[Xagoth]

Taking advantage of a player out of POS has nothing to do with why i prefer my players to use a SKILL position. The reason why is because i can play offline if i wanted to play against the CPU.

Offline, the CPU controls ALL players.

Online the CPU controls 10 players.

Exactly WHY do you care which player your HUMAN opponent controls?

Why does it matter which player out the 11, your opponent controls?

Dline has to worry about sacking the QB and watching for the run

LB has to worry about coverage and watching for the run.

DB had to worry about coverage and watching for the run.

They ALL have their jobs.

You just sound like another elitist who figures because HE can play a certain position, EVERYONE should be able to.

Different people are skilled at different positions. Why should I put down one player because he is good at Dline, rather than DB?

And to be 100% honest, I PREFER my opponent to play something other than Dline, because I KNOW at some point in the game, they will mess up a coverage and it will be an easy catch/1st down/gain/TD. But I CERTAINLY wont put someone down for NOT playing a non Dline.

[Faithdown]

:thumbsdow I sure hope you weren't trying to make an attempt at humor because if you were Rip you failed:rolleyes: .


Hey are you the same guy who's ranked like 15 and freezes the game when you're losing?

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

:thumbsdow I sure hope you weren't trying to make an attempt at humor because if you were Rip you failed:rolleyes: .

:thumbsdow I sure hope you weren't trying to make an attempt at insulting me because if you were killah you failed... people in timeouts can't insult others... we'll talk next week:rolleyes: .

[El Matador 70]

When you play dline all you are trying to do is sack the qb it takes no skill. Just a mashing of buttons. Whereas if you play a lb or saftey you get to cover,tackle and overall impact the game more. Playing against a dline player is no different then playing the CPU,you are just using the dline to mask your shortcomings as a player its quite that simple. I have never respected someones game when they have used dline because i know that person is completly devoid of skill.
Honestly, if you think playing on the Dline has no skill, you are absolutely wrong. I start off as the D End every time I play defense, and pass rushing is all about setting up your moves. If you're going to do a swim move, you want to speed rush on the edge and try and swim past him. If the guy starts off in a pass-blocking stance, you can go hard to the outside, cut to the inside, and spin to the inside of him. Pass rushing definitely takes skill.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Hey are you the same guy who's ranked like 15 and freezes the game when you're losing?

Are you another crazied lunatic stalker. I think so:thumbsup:

[Faithdown]

Are you another crazyed lunatic stalker. I think so:thumbsup:

Thats a yes.

Im also pretty sure crazyed isnt a word.


EDIT: I see you edited your post, however crazied is also not a word.

[Xagoth]

Honestly, if you think playing on the Dline has no skill, you are absolutely wrong. I start off as the D End every time I play defense, and pass rushing is all about setting up your moves. If you're going to do a swim move, you want to speed rush on the edge and try and swim past him. If the guy starts off in a pass-blocking stance, you can go hard to the outside, cut to the inside, and spin to the inside of him. Pass rushing definitely takes skill.


But....but...you wont be playing a DB, who will inevitably be out of position on SOME play, so he can have an easy TD.... :rolleyes:

*heavy sarcasm intended here for those that cant see it*

[Tuboware67]

not because they're unstoppable, but you're obviously looking for some kind of advantage you think you may have.. yes, earl is probably the best rb in the game.. and yes, randall can break a sack.. but they can be stoped. so please dont let me see you in the lobby demanding to play sim style.. did i mention they also have jerry rice?

the cunningham - earl combination has become some thing people use to try and rack up quick wins.. cheesy if you ask me.

how about putting together a team that would actually take talent?

everybody wants rice, earl, marino, randall, woodson, barney

that's fine and dandy, but dont go around calling yourself "sim" you may play a fair game, but you are not "sim"

Chopstick, Ive played you, you seem like a cool guy, but honestly, Im tired of people crying about sim. Your record (something like 30-60, Im not exactly sure, but its something pretty bad like that) isnt all that good, so pretty much, it seems like you just yell "cheese" whenever your getting beat. Its okay if you arent the best player in town bro, but dont go calling out other peoples teams just because you cant stop them.

Now see, Im ranked in the top 40, but I have trouble stopping certain types of teams because of the way I play defense. Im not going to say what type of team that is because I dont want other top players to know how to beat me, but there are ways to beat every one in this game, and thats the beauty of it.

So instead of crying about "cheese" how about you get a stong defensive team so top them?

Heres a good one to stop the Rice/Earl combo:

Gold:
Night Train Lane
Jack Lambert

Silver:
Lem Barney
Jack Tatum
Any Silver TE or WR

Bronze:
Any QB
Natrone Means/Christian Okoye
Any WR or TE
William Perry
Dexter Manley/Clyde Simmons
Brad Van Pelt


Try that out bro, hopefully it works out for you :)

Good luck!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Are you another crazyed lunatic stalker. I think so:thumbsup:

making up words now, are we??

Or did you actually think that was a word, or better yet did you misspell it?? I know it can be tough, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling people retard's if I were you, considering spelling 6 letter words seems to be a challenge for you

[Tuboware67]

^^^ LOL Get em Rip

[Xagoth]

making up words now, are we??

Or did you actually think that was a word, or better yet did you misspell it?? I know it can be tough, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling people retard's if I were you, considering spelling 6 letter words seems to be a challenge for you


Ouch...I am thinking, maybe he should be more concerned with English class, rather than what position people play on defense. :D

[omerta07]

I wouldn't say it's cheese, but it's really lame. I'm sick of Rice-Cunningham-Campbell. Try something else.
funny that ive played 120 plus games online and havent seen that combo ONCE

[ImBACKK,killah5]

making up words now, are we??

Or did you actually think that was a word, or better yet did you misspell it?? I know it can be tough, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling people retard's if I were you, considering spelling 6 letter words seems to be a challenge for you

Grammer police are we now should i comment on you not capitalizing the m in "making up words now are we". You know what from now on im going to find and critique all of your post since you want to be a grammer *****. Im sure i can find plenty of flaws in your grammer. Let the games begin.

[Xagoth]

Grammer police are we now should i comment on you not capitalizing the m in "making up words now are we". You know what from now on im going to find and critique all of your post since you want to be a grammer *****. Im sure i can find plenty of flaws in your grammer. Let the games begin.

It's grammAr.

YOU need to worry more about your education, rather than what position people play on defense.

[Faithdown]

Grammer police are we now should i comment on you not capitalizing the m in "making up words now are we". You know what from now on im going to find and critique all of your post since you want to be a grammer *****. Im sure i can find plenty of flaws in your grammer. Let the games begin.


So what would your record be if you hadn't frozen all those games?

[omerta07]

When you play dline all you are trying to do is sack the qb it takes no skill. Just a mashing of buttons. Whereas if you play a lb or saftey you get to cover,tackle and overall impact the game more. Playing against a dline player is no different then playing the CPU,you are just using the dline to mask your shortcomings as a player its quite that simple. I have never respected someones game when they have used dline because i know that person is completly devoid of skill.

dude you are retarded .

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Grammer police are we now should i comment on you not capitalizing the m in "making up words now are we". You know what from now on im going to find and critique all of your post since you want to be a grammer *****. Im sure i can find plenty of flaws in your grammer. Let the games begin.

:rotfl: I'm not going around calling people retards.

And you're going to find and critique my posts???

Let's see, so far you've called someone a retard, and then proved 6 letter words to be too complicated for you. You then call someone a crazyed lunatic stalker, and then say you're going to stalk my posts. Hypocrite much?

[ImBACKK,killah5]

can't we all just.... GET ALONG!!!!!

And Killah, YOU'RE ON TIMEOUT!!!! For calling names

Capitalize can't since its the beginning of a sentence,and you know better then to start a sentence with -and- come on now.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

:rotfl: I'm not going around calling people retards.

And you're going to find and critique my posts???

Let's see, so far you've called someone a retard, and then proved 6 letter words to be too complicated for you. You then call someone a crazyed lunatic stalker, and then say you're going to stalk my posts. Hypocrite much?

Your starting to many sentences with and. Find another word that fits their

[Faithdown]

Capitalize can't since its the beginning of a sentence,and you know better then to start a sentence with -and- come on now.


You're missing the point...

it's not like hes writing a ****ing essay, hes just using gerenal forum style typing.

You tried to pass off "crazyed" as a word, theres a big ****in difference.

[Xagoth]

Capitalize can't since its the beginning of a sentence,and you know better then to start a sentence with -and- come on now.

Glass house.

Stone's.

All that need's to be said.

Seriously, quit while you are ahead.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Your starting to many sentences with and. Find another word that fits their

and you call people crazyed lunatic stalkers...:rotfl:

yuo iz schuch a retard ddue

[Faithdown]

Capitalize can't since its the beginning of a sentence,and you know better then to start a sentence with -and- come on now.

You should have used than, not then.


Your starting to many sentences with and. Find another word that fits their

Wrong form of both you're and there.

You suck at this, give up.

[Xagoth]

Your starting to many sentences with and. Find another word that fits their

It's TOO.

Seriously, YOU shouldn't be correcting ANYONE'S punctuation or grammar.

You REALLY are making a fool out of yourself at this point.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Lol im still going to keep doing it i wonder what you guys can do to stop me at this point. Uh nothing.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

I must say, i'm starting to feel bad for you....:lol:

[Faithdown]

Lol im still going to keep doing it i wonder what you guys can do to stop me at this point. Uh nothing.


You made yourself look worse than the person you were attempting (and failing) to correct.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

You're missing the point...

it's not like hes writing a ****ing essay, hes just using gerenal forum style typing.

You tried to pass off "crazyed" as a word, theres a big ****in difference.

Im guessing "its" is the beginning of a new sentence please capitalize it properly. THANK YOU

[Xagoth]

Lol im still going to keep doing it i wonder what you guys can do to stop me at this point. Uh nothing.

Further evidence, you need to quit TRYING to correct other people's grammar, spelling and punctuation.

At the very LEAST, acquire SOME sort of spell checker, so you quit making a COMPLETE fool out of yourself.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

You guys still haven't corrected the mistakes i clearly pointed out. Get to editing *****es.

[Faithdown]

Im guessing "its" is the beginning of a new sentence please capitalize it properly. THANK YOU


I see you found the built in spell check, congratulations.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I found a remedy for your and syndrome Rip. Try a word like furthermore it replaces and in some respects.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I see you found the built in spell check, congratulations.

Less talking from you more editing. Go fix those problems like a good boy :thumbsup:

[Xagoth]

You guys still haven't corrected the mistakes i clearly pointed out. Get to editing *****es.

I, is supposed to be capitalized.

Seriously, I AM being petty.

Just as petty as you worrying about what position people play on defense.

I will quit worrying about your ability to type if you quit worrying about what position people play on defense online.

Well, off to bed, while Killah worries about how he can possibly score on someone if they KEEP playing a D-line position.....

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

I found a remedy for your and syndrome Rip. Try a word like furthermore it replaces and in some respects.

http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

[ImBACKK,killah5]

http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

Using pictures as a way to mask your inability to properly use capitalization. :thumbsup: Good find rip.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Using pictures as a way to mask your inability to properly use capitalization. :thumbsup: Good find rip.

http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

[ImBACKK,killah5]

http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

Yep keep using the pictures maybe people won't notice you haven't learn proper capitalization. Furthermore(your new word of the day) its Oh Really/ not O RLY

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

http://www.farfromneutral.com/exodus/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/o_rly.jpg

[VC80]

Children, it's well past your bedtime. Don't forget to brush your teeth.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Children, it's well past your bedtime. Don't forget to brush your teeth.

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jskong/orly.gif

[VC80]

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jskong/orly.gif

Put your toys away, junior. Light out in three minutes.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

Put your toys away, junior. Light out in three minutes.

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jskong/orly.gif

[tpaterniti]

Most "Sim" guys are not good enough to adjust to anything. They are also not smart/ to scared to try anything new.

This is a common misconception. Most of the best players are pretty sim because the ones who try to abuse exploits can beat inexperienced players, but smart, experienced guys figure out how to stop them pretty quickly.

There are basically two groups of "sim" players who complain. One group are players who really are not that good and are pretty irrational about their "sim" rules. If you ask them why going for it on 4th down or running a no huddle is unsim, they say it's because it never happens in real football. Clearly both of these things do happen in real football, and when you point this out to them they just get *****ed and start ranting.

Another group of "sim" players who complain are some of the best players. They have no real problem stopping the cheese people try to run and the exploits they try to abuse. They just get tired of playing the same damn people who try to do the same damn thing and refuse to adjust because mentally they are incapable of doing so. I would put myself in this group and there are a lot of other great players in there as well.

I just try not to complain too much. To me unsim is abusing bad computer programming. In 2K5 manually blitzing D lineman and rushing with your QB I considerd unsim because the game had bugs that made blitzers come totally free and LBs ignore scrambling QBs. In this game those problems have been fixed so it is fine. In fact I am yet to find really any serious glitches besides the FG blocking thing.

I don't see what the big deal is with flea-flickers, as my opponents have maybe completed 6 or 7 out of the 60 or 70 they have run against me. I think it is kind of lame when people use the same out routes over and over, but it is not unstoppable. I played a guy who would throw 60 yard bombs to his WRs with Stabler, and just as I was about to cry "cheese", I remembered watching America's Game on the 76 Raiders and that is EXACTLY what Stabler did then with Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch and HOF TE Dave Casper- several long bombs every game.

So in conclusion, I think that there are bad players who whine, but a lot of the people calling for sim play are actually pretty good (you can look me up, for one, I am currently 100 after 100 games and many of the guys I play under 100 are very sim). I just try to keep it fun. If I am not having fun, I play terrible anyway, and having fun is ultimately the point to begin with, not winning. Winning is just a means to an end, not the end itself. So I made my self a little slogan that I think many would be wise to adopt.

Don't whine, just win.

[sleepytercel]

We live in one hell of a whiney society. Each year, it seems people get more whiney, but try to act more "hardcore". Gotta love these contradicting personalities people seem to have.

[henchmen]

Everybody is stoppable.

[BingoBangoooo]

Barney is probably the best corner and the best special teams player in the game(all at a silver value.) It has nothing to do with his amount of skills it's the fact he has the best skills. Skills like loose ball and ball strip are pointless in this game but coverage, speed burner etc are necessary.

[Twane37]

People who complain are the ones that have not took the time out to learn the ins and outs of this game. You have the option to put whoever you want on your team. You should have a team to counter a stacked offense or defense. Just man up!

[Caine2878]

This crap is getting ridiculous I mean damn are we supposed to just use a team filled with generic players in order to be considered sim? I use randall but I have yet to scramble with him. People here complain so much about madden but you are turning this game into madden with all this whining about this player and that player damn give that **** a rest and get your game up period!!!!!

[Raiderfanatic]

I am personally getting tired of hearing so many call things "not sim". I agree, it sucks when I play someone and all they do is the same play over and over. I get more mad at myself if I cannot stop it. And frustrated by them cause I was hoping to play someone that mixed it up and played football.

As far as players go, I think it is a load of manure for someone to rip on me cause I have Rice and Montana on one or Cunningham and Rice on another. Why not, they are some of my all time favorite players? One team has Rice and Sanders. I use to love watching these guys play.

I also have one team that has just about every Raider Legend player on it. What the hell is wrong with that?

But I'll be ****** if I let someone tell me I'm wrong for using players that are some of my all time favorites. I love to throw the ball so for the most part you won't see some dominating back on my teams. I won't use him so why pick him. I don't care about records....mine sucks. I play cause I love football and am too old play it for real anymore.

What ruins this game online for me is the gamers. Their **** poor attitudes. The moaning, groaning and complaining. It's a video game for christ sake.....have fun with it.

[TheMan46112]

I'm sick of the "SIM" police. LOL. "SIM" this = ( )*( )

[TheMan46112]

In fact just because you posted this thread I'm going to make a team with Cunningham and Campbell as your punishment.

[the_cap'n]

Seriously, guys? First, using a player that was known for breaking tackles was called "not sim" or "cheese" because he broke tackles and people didn't know how to stop him. But now using a guy that was known as an evasive/scrambling quarterback is called "not sim" or "cheese" because he evades and scrambles?

[burter]

So i guess i better pick bubby brister cause if i pick any1 good its not sim. whats next, i cant pick joe montana cause he can throw the ball all over the field? for real bish grow the f up. my god you people that suck at this game think u lose cause someone isnt sim. ********. go watch a freaking nfl game. my god. look at my team. its all D. is that not sim enough for u? is it to my advantage? not like i score 30points a freaking game. i try to hold people to 7 or less cause i score between 10-14 a game.

grow some freaking balz

[Higgus]

LOL guys stop adding on to this thread. Here's the truth:

The thread starter, about 1 hour after creating this thread, started a "HOW DO YOU DOUBLE TEAM" thread.

The guy was a madden fan and hasn't learned how to double team receivers. Hence, his issues with Jerry Rice.

[hooman1844]

Meh, I actually agree that it's lame to play D-line, especially when you play 2 man. It's not cheese or anything, just lame. Try a skill position. Yadda yadda yadda I know the dline has to try and sack the qb. Again, not cheese, but in my opinion, lame.

[Chop Stick]

LOL guys stop adding on to this thread. Here's the truth:

The thread starter, about 1 hour after creating this thread, started a "HOW DO YOU DOUBLE TEAM" thread.

The guy was a madden fan and hasn't learned how to double team receivers. Hence, his issues with Jerry Rice.

at least im not a madden fan who didnt give this game a try..

i actually really like this game.

[ballin5692]

i use randal because im an eagles fan and randall was great they did not over rate him in anyway in this game at all. and your basically saying that where not sim because where using players that are in the game just stop whining because you cant stop them.

[Chop Stick]

i use randal because im an eagles fan and randall was great they did not over rate him in anyway in this game at all. and your basically saying that where not sim because where using players that are in the game just stop whining because you cant stop them.

read the whole thread.

i clearly stated if youre a fan its different.

people use them to rank up wins

[vicious776]

Isn't the point of this game to create the best team possible? If someone uses Rice, Campbell, and Cunningham, they must be hurting on defense. I have a team with 10 D legends, and it will stop all three of those players.

Plus, I really don't know if you know what sim is. It has nothing to do with which players you have. If has to do with how you play the game, and if you play according to how real football plays out..

[Soodmeg]

MUHAHAHA. I like how you guys wasted 2 pages talking about grammer. That just pretty much made you all look like idiots.


But again....there is NO WAY in the world ANYONE can convince me that there is ANY type of skill that goes into playing on the Dline. No matter what you say.....ANYONE WHO PLAYS A DLINE PLAYER IS NOT GOOD.

What skill at all is there in playing a Dline men in a video game? All you ever do is mash a button and hope to god you get through.


Now who's ever arguement was that people play DLine because people wait for you to make a mistake playing as a DB. Yeah.....your an idiot. Thats why its a skill postion...you play it because everyone knows that the CPU will make a ton of mistakes....your job is to limit them by not.


MUAHHAHAHAAAHAHA. Playing as a Dline takes skill........PFFFT Get serious. The Dline play by themselfs. If it was really that skill full then I should be getting user sacked 5-7 times a game or getting tackled for a loss at LEAST 10 times in a game. But guess what? That never happens....I never get sacked more than what the CPU can do....I never get tackled in the backfield more than what the CPU can do.


Play as a DLine actually hurts you way more than help....the only excuse to do so is because you are scared to play a skill postion or you are just bad at the game.

Bottom line.

[RedskinsFan411]

MUHAHAHA. I like how you guys wasted 2 pages talking about grammer. That just pretty much made you all look like idiots.


But again....there is NO WAY in the world ANYONE can convince me that there is ANY type of skill that goes into playing on the Dline. No matter what you say.....ANYONE WHO PLAYS A DLINE PLAYER IS NOT GOOD.

What skill at all is there in playing a Dline men in a video game? All you ever do is mash a button and hope to god you get through.


Now who's ever arguement was that people play DLine because people wait for you to make a mistake playing as a DB. Yeah.....your an idiot. Thats why its a skill postion...you play it because everyone knows that the CPU will make a ton of mistakes....your job is to limit them by not.


MUAHHAHAHAAAHAHA. Playing as a Dline takes skill........PFFFT Get serious. The Dline play by themselfs. If it was really that skill full then I should be getting user sacked 5-7 times a game or getting tackled for a loss at LEAST 10 times in a game. But guess what? That never happens....I never get sacked more than what the CPU can do....I never get tackled in the backfield more than what the CPU can do.


Play as a DLine actually hurts you way more than help....the only excuse to do so is because you are scared to play a skill postion or you are just bad at the game.

Bottom line.
People like you are the reason I hate playing online. Yes, the D-line takes VERY LITTLE skill to control, you pretty much just press different trigger buttons, charge A, tap A, etc. to get to the QB. It's completely random and has little to do with you.

On the other hand, don't bash people because they play DL. I use my safety 2/3 of the time and my DL/Blitzing LBs 1/3 of the time. Why? Because I like bringing my safety on the blitz or using him against the run. I play DL when I want to play conservative. Yes if you're good enough, you can play as a CB or Safety and play better than the computer, but instead of taking that chance, I'd rather try to get to the QB and play it safe. Gold safeties rarely **** up anyway...so I just use them on 1st and 2nd, and (sometimes 3rd and 4th, late in the game, when the opponent is pulling out all the stops...I can keep them from choking on big plays), but it's fun to pass rush too, regardless of your small margin of effectiveness over the CPU.

[sleepytercel]

Yes, it takes more skill to choose a CB and allow the CPU to run the play for you. However, it looks like you're playing the CB position. One thing about playing the DLine is that the reach tackle system allows you to slow down running backs from gaining yards. There's a "skill" with everything you do, but the entire skill rests in your play calling.

[Soodmeg]

People like you are the reason I hate playing online. Yes, the D-line takes VERY LITTLE skill to control, you pretty much just press different trigger buttons, charge A, tap A, etc. to get to the QB. It's completely random and has little to do with you.

On the other hand, don't bash people because they play DL. I use my safety 2/3 of the time and my DL/Blitzing LBs 1/3 of the time. Why? Because I like bringing my safety on the blitz or using him against the run. I play DL when I want to play conservative. Yes if you're good enough, you can play as a CB or Safety and play better than the computer, but instead of taking that chance, I'd rather try to get to the QB and play it safe. Gold safeties rarely **** up anyway...so I just use them on 1st and 2nd, and (sometimes 3rd and 4th, late in the game, when the opponent is pulling out all the stops...I can keep them from choking on big plays), but it's fun to pass rush too, regardless of your small margin of effectiveness over the CPU.



You hate playing person like me online because of what now? Because I think playing the DLine takes no skill at all and YOU AGREE with me...is the reason why you hate playing a person like me?


How in the world does that make any sense at all.

Look....my stance still stands and it is still very true. People who consider themselfs "sim" are the same people who complain about how cheese players take advantage of bad A.I WHILE solely playing as the LEAST skillful, least important, least effective, postion on the field.

I dont care how fun you think it is.....if you were having so much fun you wouldnt be *****ing about cheese and sim all day long.


(this was a broad statement....not you redskins fan...so dont come back saying, I didnt say I was sim...)

[RedskinsFan411]

You hate playing person like me online because of what now? Because I think playing the DLine takes no skill at all and YOU AGREE with me...is the reason why you hate playing a person like me?


How in the world does that make any sense at all.

Look....my stance still stands and it is still very true. People who consider themselfs "sim" are the same people who complain about how cheese players take advantage of bad A.I WHILE solely playing as the LEAST skillful, least important, least effective, postion on the field.

I dont care how fun you think it is.....if you were having so much fun you wouldnt be *****ing about cheese and sim all day long.


(this was a broad statement....not you redskins fan...so dont come back saying, I didnt say I was sim...)
haha it's a good thing I read that last line, I was about to say...

I don't like playing people like you because you act like if you're using the D-line, you suck. People like you think they're all high and mighty because they control their DBs every play. I don't suck, but I sometimes slip up in the secondary, with my timing, it happens. So, on plays where the blocking is obviously minimal, I usually blitz with my LBs or control my DEs on 3rd down. Doesn't mean I suck. It means I don't want to take a risk, and since my safeties are for coverage anyway...well...might as well put that Gold to use.

[Soodmeg]

haha it's a good thing I read that last line, I was about to say...

I don't like playing people like you because you act like if you're using the D-line, you suck. People like you think they're all high and mighty because they control their DBs every play. I don't suck, but I sometimes slip up in the secondary, with my timing, it happens. So, on plays where the blocking is obviously minimal, I usually blitz with my LBs or control my DEs on 3rd down. Doesn't mean I suck. It means I don't want to take a risk, and since my safeties are for coverage anyway...well...might as well put that Gold to use.



No no no. You still have it wrong my friend. I am not saying that if you play the Dline you suck....although I feel that it takes no skill.

My statement is for people who play Dline WHILE complaing that cheeser only take advantage of bad AI. If the db AI was that bad....you should either learn to play DB or stop complaining that the AI is bad.

If you want to play DLine thats fine....(although I still think it takes no skill) BUT dont complain that people are taking advantage of the db AI when you are not talking any steps to prevent them from doing so.

All I am saying.

Actually I dont play as a DB...I play Middle Linebacker because thats what I played in high school.

[XtHcX519X]

1. Picking of players has nuthin to do with sim football

2. Our options are very limited in terms of players and whats effective

[xxOaklandNETSxx]

Micheal is always on my team
http://www.caymannetnews.com/Archive/Archive%20Articles/May%202003/Issue%20412%20Wed/Images/Micheal%20Jackson%20412.jpg

[xrams]

I agree. I am really really really sick of all these whiney cry baby people hiding behind their precious "sim" title.

Look...no one cares anymore. The word "Sim" as become the new "Noob" title....in which every time you say it..you sound more ignorant with each use. It is also similar to the fact that ythe meaning is so broad so abstract that it can be appiled to damn near everything.Lets make a list of things that are considered "not sim."

Earl is not sim
Rice is not sim
Randell is not sim
Charge moves is not sim
Throwing to star players more than once a game is not sim
Throwing to much is not sim
Not throwing enough is not sim
Runing to much is not sim
Not running enough is not sim
Out rountes is not sim
In rountes is not sim
Fade rountes is not sim
Passing on 4th down is not sim
Running on 4th downis not sim
Going for it at all on 4th down is not sim
Kicking it toward the corner on Kickoffis not sim
Blitzing is not sim
To many INT is not sim
Not enough INTis not sim
Dropping back 30 yards is not sim
Doubling WR the entire game is not sim


As you can see most of these things apply to the offensive only. Thats beause "Sim" players suck completely at defense. They use the "sim" title as an excuse to play the same defense over and over and over because they expect the offense to only do things that they want. Seriously you "sim" guys should stop even calling yourselfs that. Just tell everyone what you really want....People who consider themselfs "sim" whant everyone to play within their VERY VERY VERY VERY small box of skill.

Most "Sim" guys are not good enough to adjust to anything. They are also not smart/ to scared to try anything new. You see these "sim" guys only want to call 4-8 plays a game because they know those plays SHOULD work....and when they dont work they start up the waterworks and cry about it. They dont want to have to think to win a game because that would be to hard for them. So they sit on their couches and play games and expect everyone to only play the way they know how to play and if anything comes along that they cant figure out how to stop within 10 seconds they will right the game off as cheese.



I have a question for all "sim" players that talk endlessly about how they only lost because I ran no huddle offense the entire game and thats why I won 45-7.

Was it my offense that made you go 3 and out 10 times? Was it my pass to Jerry Rice that made you thow 2 INT? Or was it my 12th run to the right side that made you get sacked 3 times? Must of been me going for it on 4th down that got your punt blocked huh? You "sim" guys seem to forget that there is two sides to the ball. Where the hell were you at on offense? So just admit it. You are just not good at the game. Even if someone knew every glitch on offense in the world....the score should then be 45-45 at the end of the game......

SOMEONE CALL THE NFL BECAUSE THE SERCERT TO A STELLAR DEFENSE IS ACTUALLY CHEESING ON OFFENSE!!!! Who would a thunk it.
Excellent post...!!!!:cool:

This 2K8 title is deep... there is every defensive formation/play you can think of to stop any Offensive combo.... you just have to practice... I play with Randell... coupled with Rocket... but most of my meat is on the D-line... no matter how bad your offense is... you can't score with the QB on his butt.... :

Harvey Martin DE; Willaim Perry DT; Gerome Brown DT; Too Tall DE;...:eek:

my front 4 usually keeps QB's very busy.... Think about changing your Defensive (playcalling) to confuse you opponent...:thumbsup:

[RedskinsFan411]

No no no. You still have it wrong my friend. I am not saying that if you play the Dline you suck....although I feel that it takes no skill.

My statement is for people who play Dline WHILE complaing that cheeser only take advantage of bad AI. If the db AI was that bad....you should either learn to play DB or stop complaining that the AI is bad.

If you want to play DLine thats fine....(although I still think it takes no skill) BUT dont complain that people are taking advantage of the db AI when you are not talking any steps to prevent them from doing so.

All I am saying.

Actually I dont play as a DB...I play Middle Linebacker because thats what I played in high school.
Ah, I get you now. Personally I prefer SS...I run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid, and send him on multiple blitzes, and play him close to the line of scrimmage on 1st and 2nd down. If they start exploiting me long, I put him back in coverage a little more often, and I play as a DE or DT. It's my Cardinals team, and the SS is Adrian Wilson :). He's a ****ing beast.

This is just against my friends though, I don't play online, and I could care less if someone thinks I'm "sim" or not.

[DA_Kenny]

Using a RB in the game is CHEESE!

[Doggcow]

Harry Carson shuts down earl if youre calling the right plays.

/thread.

[nflhitman]

I cant wait until the tournament. You guys who dont like it when people put there team together the way you dont want it will be screwed in the tourney. For all of you that say you hate how everybody uses the same players I would like to challenge 2k sports to put together a team of stars that no one likes to use. This would be perfect for those SIM players that feel like they need to hug these poor souls.

GOLD - LEE ROY SELMON DE
GOLD - MIKE HAYNES CB

SILVER- MEL RENFRO CB
SILVER- LENNY MOORE WR
SILVER- GEORGE MACAFEE SS

BRONZE- SOLOMON WILCOTS FS
BRONZE- TROY DRAYTON TE
BRONZE- BRIAN JONES ILB
BRONZE- BUBBY BRISTER QB
BRONZE- REGGIE COBB RB
BRONZE- TONY MARTIN WR

This is a team made up of players no one use because of there lack of attributes. For all of you who say it doesnt matter use this team during qualifying for tourney and if they put this team together for tourney use them or shut your mouth, Because you make a team, play a certain way, dont like to be challenged does not mean others are not SIM because you dont like there team. I use Created Players on my teams but....Everyone of my players are present or past players from NFL and every one of them have exact Height, Weight, B-Day, and college when I make them. Creating players was meant to for you to be able to still use some of your favorite players in this game. I know of the gamers who use the 7' players and cheat but if you think you wont see that in any online game you are sadly mistaken and should ask your parents why they kept you in the closet for so long growing up. SIM is a style of play it is not your choice of players or attributes that are given. You put a gold player on your team because you see him as a go to guy. Why are some players attributes say MR. 3rd down then? They were known to be clutch on 3rd down to keep drives alive and your mad because they go to there Player who they chose to make a Gold star? Learn how to play defense and call defensive plays instead of saying...Hey I wasnt ready for that formation or that play so its got to be a glitch. You all cry alot and I hope I see you cry babies in the tourney. Know this...In the tourney I will go to a Gold WR or TE all the time if you cant stop it and I will also be kicking the ball towards the corner of the field so your return is not at my 40 every time. Be ready for all you guys to get beat down in tourney play. There is no crying in APF 2K8!!