Inside the mind of an acussed "cheeser": A message to all "sim" players.

[Soodmeg]

I knew that this would always happen...I knew the day I decided to run a complete no huddle offense that people everywhere would **** their pants and cry for hours on end about how the sole reason I am so good at the game is because of my no huddle offense.

I knew that every "sim" player in the world was going to cower behind their "sim" titles and refuse to play me...or if they did they would ***** that it was because I ran no huddle and I am a cheeser and thats why they lost.

Let me tell you guys something. Offense in this game is worthless. Surprise!!! Anyone with half a mind can score in this game. I fought this for a long time...(I created the topic, "This game does not reward you for good defense) then one day I decided to buy into it. I decided to stop crying and complaining that people on offense were scoring on me so easy and I decided to fix it.

Check my gamertag Soodmeg. Check my VIP. Go ahead....if you are smart enough you will notice something. That my scored 124 Touchdowns while only giving up 47. That I have a 91% chance of scoring were as I only allow 73% of people to score on me. You will notice that I only give up 70 yard running to any given person no matter who their running back is....and only 180 yard to whoever is passing. I score almost 40 points a game but I only give up less than 20.


Now you stand there and tell me with a straight face that its D. Clark sacking you in the backfield. You explain to me how Okoye is batting down all your passes. You show me that Pete Metz is the one who intercepted you and ran it back for a TD. Hell show me how Bernie Kosar is the one who is tackling Earl Cambell in the back field almost every play.



You see.......what you "sim guys" dont understand is that its DEFENSE that wins me games. My question is now...where were you when your offense needed to score? Are you going to sit there and try to babble on how I somehow cheesed you on defense and thats why you cant move the ball more than 20 yards?


To all you sim players.....its not us "cheeser" that ruin the game. Its you. Its you being so lazy that you will not learn how to play. Its you who complain endlessly on message boards and in video game store about how the whole world is agianst you. You "sim" players ARE NOT MAJORITY YOU ARE THE MINORITY! You are the people who are inbetween the cracks eating away at the foundation of all online video games. You babble endlessly and complain instend of discussing and strategizing is what brings down an online community. Its you who outlaws virtually every part of a video game, No grenades..no noob cannons...no certain type of gun...no using fireballs...no armour. And the newest and most disturbing in this game. NO THROWING TO JERRY RICE. Honestly sim guys? Where will it end. When will you stop blaming everyone else for your short comings? When will you realized that virtaully everything in anygame can be stopped....but it just might require more and putting the disc in the tray.


So am I a cheeser by definetion? To you I am. And guess what? I feel good about it. I feel good knowing that I am forcing people to become better at the game. I feel good that people like me are forcing you out of your comfort zone and making you try something new. I feel good that I send grown men into fits because they cant figure out a simply Weak Side Cover 3 will stop any and all TE fade routes. I happy knowing that everyone is getting better at these competive games by finding new things and new strategies in all games. Because if you had it your way....we might as well just play pong.

Its sink or swim........and it seems like some of you are gasping for air.

(Note. This is my first and finally note to "sim" players. I will never say another word about sim or cheese ever again.)

[2Nyce]

So you're a cheeser?

That says it all...you suck. That's it.

[Clark Kent]

So you're a cheeser?

That says it all...you suck. That's it.

Speaking of suck. I still owe your sister 20 bucks.

[Soodmeg]

So you're a cheeser?

That says it all...you suck. That's it.


Yep. I guess if you say so.

[Lord Arklon]

^ Play him in a game and see what he says by the end of it, lol.

[I.C.D.N.V.N.U.]

If you play this game solely to achieve a high rank, then by all means, go for it. Exploit 'til your heart's content. It's your journey, man.

Most people play this game as entertainment. They want to play a fun game with real football-like atmosphere and gameplay.

[sly_madman]

The reason people hate the no huddle is that it keeps the same defense on the field (or from a very short list of audibles) while the offense has 2 audible playbooks (the standard 'no huddle' audibles and specific ones for their formation). Am I a hardcore Sim baller? I wouldn't say so in the sense of some other guys on here. If I don't see any open men and I have a wide field ahead of me I'll scramble for a first and I'll use any defensive player I feel like, whether it's a linebacker, a safety, or a defensive end. But I am "Sim" in one aspect. I play the game it was meant to be played. I play it like football. And if someone wants to no huddle all day or onside kick all the time or do anything else that you shouldn't be doing in a football game, I won't play with them. If I'm already in a game with them, I will quit if it comes down to it. I play for enjoyment, and if you're gonna no huddle all the time I won't enjoy it, it'll frustrates me.

[2Nyce]

Speaking of suck. I still owe your sister 20 bucks.

I don't have a sister, moron.

Don't you have a game to quit?

[Phillip A Bole]

I'm not even sure what the point of this thread is. There isn't a question and no sincere suggestion other than to admire your greatness. I actually felt myself losing brain cells while reading it. If you're having a great time then more power to you. You go girl.

[Chop Stick]

im gonna look for this novel at barns n nobles

[SouthShallRise]

live in your world...play in ours....jump in

[Hoser117]

I totally agree with you dude. More power to ya. Definitely not cheese in my book.

[Lacarious]

it doesn't smell like cheese... smells like a jackazz...

however... some peeps don't care if you run no huddle all game. Just makes it quicker to figure out your offense and then confuse the hell out of you when they mix up some no huddle here and there after they have taken the lead.

[SD21]

I knew that this would always happen...I knew the day I decided to run a complete no huddle offense that people everywhere would **** their pants and cry for hours on end about how the sole reason I am so good at the game is because of my no huddle offense.

I knew that every "sim" player in the world was going to cower behind their "sim" titles and refuse to play me...or if they did they would ***** that it was because I ran no huddle and I am a cheeser and thats why they lost.

Let me tell you guys something. Offense in this game is worthless. Surprise!!! Anyone with half a mind can score in this game. I fought this for a long time...(I created the topic, "This game does not reward you for good defense) then one day I decided to buy into it. I decided to stop crying and complaining that people on offense were scoring on me so easy and I decided to fix it.

Check my gamertag Soodmeg. Check my VIP. Go ahead....if you are smart enough you will notice something. That my scored 124 Touchdowns while only giving up 47. That I have a 91% chance of scoring were as I only allow 73% of people to score on me. You will notice that I only give up 70 yard running to any given person no matter who their running back is....and only 180 yard to whoever is passing. I score almost 40 points a game but I only give up less than 20.


Now you stand there and tell me with a straight face that its D. Clark sacking you in the backfield. You explain to me how Okoye is batting down all your passes. You show me that Pete Metz is the one who intercepted you and ran it back for a TD. Hell show me how Bernie Kosar is the one who is tackling Earl Cambell in the back field almost every play.



You see.......what you "sim guys" dont understand is that its DEFENSE that wins me games. My question is now...where were you when your offense needed to score? Are you going to sit there and try to babble on how I somehow cheesed you on defense and thats why you cant move the ball more than 20 yards?


To all you sim players.....its not us "cheeser" that ruin the game. Its you. Its you being so lazy that you will not learn how to play. Its you who complain endlessly on message boards and in video game store about how the whole world is agianst you. You "sim" players ARE NOT MAJORITY YOU ARE THE MINORITY! You are the people who are inbetween the cracks eating away at the foundation of all online video games. You babble endlessly and complain instend of discussing and strategizing is what brings down an online community. Its you who outlaws virtually every part of a video game, No grenades..no noob cannons...no certain type of gun...no using fireballs...no armour. And the newest and most disturbing in this game. NO THROWING TO JERRY RICE. Honestly sim guys? Where will it end. When will you stop blaming everyone else for your short comings? When will you realized that virtaully everything in anygame can be stopped....but it just might require more and putting the disc in the tray.


So am I a cheeser by definetion? To you I am. And guess what? I feel good about it. I feel good knowing that I am forcing people to become better at the game. I feel good that people like me are forcing you out of your comfort zone and making you try something new. I feel good that I send grown men into fits because they cant figure out a simply Weak Side Cover 3 will stop any and all TE fade routes. I happy knowing that everyone is getting better at these competive games by finding new things and new strategies in all games. Because if you had it your way....we might as well just play pong.

Its sink or swim........and it seems like some of you are gasping for air.

(Note. This is my first and finally note to "sim" players. I will never say another word about sim or cheese ever again.)

It's not about win or lose. It's about whether it is fun to play someone. For most people, playing a no huddle offense all game is not fun. It is lame. And please don't tell me that you are one of those guys who will pause it in the middle of the game and go to the audible manager and change around audibles as opposed to just going back to the huddle, if so - how annoying.

[tutata]

Soodmeg,

Im not going to say I will like to play somebody that plays like you do. See the difference between running a no huddle in the NFL vs the game is that in the NFL they can still make one or 2 substitutions to the defense in here I cant do jack once you start doing the no huddle. Also 95% (maybe higher) of the people who run no huddle do it because they like easy yards they dont want to think about it. If you are running a spread offense and I come back with a zone to stop you then you go no huddle and audible the play and I dont get a chance to do the same. Its not a match of wits anymore its more "Oh i saw my te/wr open the last play but I missed him so let me run the play real quick so I can throw it to him".

You can call it strategy all you want. But I dont think it is strategy. I played a guy who went no huddle yesterday all game and his gameplan was come out in straight set every play then if the zone was deep he would sneak with DAN MARINO even if I pinched the line. Yeah I stuffed his **** but it was a boring game. So maybe its fun for you to keep running the 2 plays over and over and over and over again. And you talk about all this defense. I dont know about your defensive skills but its sure easy to play defense when you are running the no huddle offense and probably scoring in a few plays because they "CANT" stop you.

I dont use the word SIM anymore because its such a personal interpretation. So Im not going to say its cheese but definately I like to out think my opponents not just hey I saw my player open the last play let me hurry back to the line and throw it. But like so many people have said before you paid for the game you should play it the way you see it fit. If you think that running a no huddle requires tons of skills then by all means knock yourself out.

[thePLAGUE]

I'm not even sure what the point of this thread is. There isn't a question and no sincere suggestion other than to admire your greatness. I actually felt myself losing brain cells while reading it. If you're having a great time then more power to you. You go girl.



He is a kid who desperately needs attention so he comes on here and whines...He has learnt a great lesson with his 50% rating: Dont cut corners to greatness....Now nobody will play him cause of his rating...Sucks to be top 200 when people ranked 5000 wont even accept your challenge...lol...Am sure you will be more assertive come apf2k9

[bigfnjoe96]

To the OP, what system you gaming on? If your on 360, I'd like a shot @ that No-Huddle-Offense. I should be online tonight around 7pm EST. Let me know if this is do-able. (Legend Lobby) :thumbsup:

[manster54]

he reason people hate the no huddle is that it keeps the same defense on the field (or from a very short list of audibles) while the offense has 2 audible playbooks (the standard 'no huddle' audibles and specific ones for their formation). Am I a hardcore Sim baller? I wouldn't say so in the sense of some other guys on here. If I don't see any open men and I have a wide field ahead of me I'll scramble for a first and I'll use any defensive player I feel like, whether it's a linebacker, a safety, or a defensive end. But I am "Sim" in one aspect. I play the game it was meant to be played. I play it like football. And if someone wants to no huddle all day or onside kick all the time or do anything else that you shouldn't be doing in a football game, I won't play with them. If I'm already in a game with them, I will quit if it comes down to it. I play for enjoyment, and if you're gonna no huddle all the time I won't enjoy it, it'll frustrates me.

yeah! what he said!

i also hate the "immediate snap" used on every play. same idea...zero time to adjust D and it's just not the way football is played. i, also, am sim to the max.

[Soodmeg]

Soodmeg,

Im not going to say I will like to play somebody that plays like you do. See the difference between running a no huddle in the NFL vs the game is that in the NFL they can still make one or 2 substitutions to the defense in here I cant do jack once you start doing the no huddle. Also 95% (maybe higher) of the people who run no huddle do it because they like easy yards they dont want to think about it. If you are running a spread offense and I come back with a zone to stop you then you go no huddle and audible the play and I dont get a chance to do the same. Its not a match of wits anymore its more "Oh i saw my te/wr open the last play but I missed him so let me run the play real quick so I can throw it to him".

You can call it strategy all you want. But I dont think it is strategy. I played a guy who went no huddle yesterday all game and his gameplan was come out in straight set every play then if the zone was deep he would sneak with DAN MARINO even if I pinched the line. Yeah I stuffed his **** but it was a boring game. So maybe its fun for you to keep running the 2 plays over and over and over and over again. And you talk about all this defense. I dont know about your defensive skills but its sure easy to play defense when you are running the no huddle offense and probably scoring in a few plays because they "CANT" stop you.

I dont use the word SIM anymore because its such a personal interpretation. So Im not going to say its cheese but definately I like to out think my opponents not just hey I saw my player open the last play let me hurry back to the line and throw it. But like so many people have said before you paid for the game you should play it the way you see it fit. If you think that running a no huddle requires tons of skills then by all means knock yourself out.

I will say sorry now..this post seemed a little angier than I wanted it to be.....its most likely thats because.......I typed a huge response to this that explain everything...but when I tried to submit it got deleted for some reason.......sorry dude I am just not up to typing another 6 paragraphs. I will do it later but the gist of it was this.

I could care less about all the fake internet "bashing" that goes on. Sure I crave attention...sure I am a *******...blah blah blah. Heard it all before...think of something new.

As to your post.....its a good one. But the thing I dont like about it.....is that it seems that you have a problem with no huddle becuase YOU can adjust fast enough. When in fact in this game more than any other football game I have ever played you have TONS of time to adjust. The game literally forces the offense to wait for the defense to get into postion. I have had to wait upwards to 10-15 seconds as a DB jobs from offsides to his deep position. So that statement is just plain false.

As for subs.....You are forgeting that I can not sub either. If I come out in a 5 WR set and the change it to a 3 TE set...I know have 4 WR blocking DT and Linebackers which wont work at all. So there goes that statement also.

Again....I dont run the same 2 plays over agian. I actually have about 20-25 plays that I run from about 15 differnt formation. But dont try to act all high and mighty that "sim" player use the whole play book. I have played many sim player who run the same Joker Wing Strong toss play 15-20 times a game...the only differance is that call it in a huddle where as I call in at the line.

I find it actually more enjoyable to play someone who is good at running the no huddle. Again if you look at my defense stats..you can see I crush "sim" players really easy. To me its fun to have to think on my feet and have to adjust quickly to things....to me its very very boring to play a guy who goes to the huddle for 20 seconds...comes out and gets tackled in the backfield and then spend another 20 seconds in the huddle.

Last thing. I will play anyone anytime (that I can) to show you just how much goes into my no huddle.

Gamertag: Soodmeg

[tretcharuss]

If you play this game solely to achieve a high rank, then by all means, go for it. Exploit 'til your heart's content. It's your journey, man.

Most people play this game as entertainment. They want to play a fun game with real football-like atmosphere and gameplay.

Yeah, I don't get that mentality either. If you have a high rank by playing a fair game then that rank means something. But, if you play cheaply your rank is worthless.

[metallicatz]

Yes, you're a cheeser. Playing the entire game in no-huddle doesn't make you a good player, it just enables you to exploit bad matchups by keeping your opponent's same defensive package on the field and forcing your opponent to burn timeouts to change it. Guys like you are the reson I don't play online anymore. in fact, the last time I played online I went up against a guy who did the same thing you are. I beat him, but it wasn't a fun gaming experience. You're not "making anybody better" by making them play against your cheesy no-huddle, you're just making the online gaming experience unpleasant for everyone around you. Run your no-huddle when you're strapped for time, or when a certain situation warrants........not every series of the entire game.

[BenRichardSON]

People who use no huddle cant score any other way.

[wraunch]

I love some of the losers that jump on these boards getting their rocks off by sharing with "the world" their philosophy! Soodmeg, you sound like someone that never played competitive sports or has lost all perspective in life. Some activities are meant to be good fun and video games should fall into that category. I think it is sad that some people find such gratification from a video game by winning through any means necessary. You must really need some personal attention in your "REAL" life (this isn't online btw). I hope you find it some day. But for now just build up that anger and bitterness. Let us all now how that works out for you in the long run.

[tutata]

I will say sorry now..this post seemed a little angier than I wanted it to be.....its most likely thats because.......I typed a huge response to this that explain everything...but when I tried to submit it got deleted for some reason.......sorry dude I am just not up to typing another 6 paragraphs. I will do it later but the gist of it was this.

I could care less about all the fake internet "bashing" that goes on. Sure I crave attention...sure I am a *******...blah blah blah. Heard it all before...think of something new.

As to your post.....its a good one. But the thing I dont like about it.....is that it seems that you have a problem with no huddle becuase YOU can adjust fast enough. When in fact in this game more than any other football game I have ever played you have TONS of time to adjust. The game literally forces the offense to wait for the defense to get into postion. I have had to wait upwards to 10-15 seconds as a DB jobs from offsides to his deep position. So that statement is just plain false.

As for subs.....You are forgeting that I can not sub either. If I come out in a 5 WR set and the change it to a 3 TE set...I know have 4 WR blocking DT and Linebackers which wont work at all. So there goes that statement also.

Again....I dont run the same 2 plays over agian. I actually have about 20-25 plays that I run from about 15 differnt formation. But dont try to act all high and mighty that "sim" player use the whole play book. I have played many sim player who run the same Joker Wing Strong toss play 15-20 times a game...the only differance is that call it in a huddle where as I call in at the line.

I find it actually more enjoyable to play someone who is good at running the no huddle. Again if you look at my defense stats..you can see I crush "sim" players really easy. To me its fun to have to think on my feet and have to adjust quickly to things....to me its very very boring to play a guy who goes to the huddle for 20 seconds...comes out and gets tackled in the backfield and then spend another 20 seconds in the huddle.

Last thing. I will play anyone anytime (that I can) to show you just how much goes into my no huddle.

Gamertag: Soodmeg

Its all good man. I never been a fan of calling people out on the internet. And you say that I dont adjust fast enough. Lets compare you go on offense make or miss the play you go hurry up and come out in a play that you know its going to work vs the defense that I had. Now I can adjust but sometimes I wont have enough time to make my moves because you are already hiking the ball and Im not talking about you in particular. I didnt say I cant adjust its just boring. Its the same thing with the "Cool" teams that people have created now a days it seems. 3/4 WR and okoye. And just spread the defense and run iso the whole game. Lets forget about the word SIM. Like I said before everybody has their own interpretation.

Let me give you a good example of why I think the no huddle is not on my favorite type of players. First play you get 8-9 yards. 99% of the time and people I have played then quickly go no huddle go to straight formation and run a qb sneak. I can do that too but I chose not to because like I said before I want to be able to out think my opponent and not just abuse a play that its there. And you are right people can run the same play over and over and I have played those players and I dont come out here and post any names because at the end of the day its my word against his/hers. But it definately takes away from the gameplay.

To me it seems people get online thinking that they are the best there is. However theres always somebody better than you/me are. The problem is when Im getting beat in a good game I will learn from it. Its all about having some fun and respect for the other person. But then again even that is different for some people. I dont think running a no huddle all game is very fun but like I said before if you think it is then go ahead and keep playing. I get most of my games in quick match why? becuase the lobby is full of people who think they are oh so much better than everybody else. To me the game has no real cheese in it. I have played only one game when I said F this **** and it was against reggie bush and his CAP. Anything else goes its up to me to stop it.

However I find it more fun if my opponent has me guessing what he is doing and letting me try to make a good guess on defense. Instead of me having to go deep zone one play,short zone the next play just because he saw something open and hurried up to the line to take advantage of it.

[Soodmeg]

Its all good man. I never been a fan of calling people out on the internet. And you say that I dont adjust fast enough. Lets compare you go on offense make or miss the play you go hurry up and come out in a play that you know its going to work vs the defense that I had. Now I can adjust but sometimes I wont have enough time to make my moves because you are already hiking the ball and Im not talking about you in particular. I didnt say I cant adjust its just boring. Its the same thing with the "Cool" teams that people have created now a days it seems. 3/4 WR and okoye. And just spread the defense and run iso the whole game. Lets forget about the word SIM. Like I said before everybody has their own interpretation.

Let me give you a good example of why I think the no huddle is not on my favorite type of players. First play you get 8-9 yards. 99% of the time and people I have played then quickly go no huddle go to straight formation and run a qb sneak. I can do that too but I chose not to because like I said before I want to be able to out think my opponent and not just abuse a play that its there. And you are right people can run the same play over and over and I have played those players and I dont come out here and post any names because at the end of the day its my word against his/hers. But it definately takes away from the gameplay.

To me it seems people get online thinking that they are the best there is. However theres always somebody better than you/me are. The problem is when Im getting beat in a good game I will learn from it. Its all about having some fun and respect for the other person. But then again even that is different for some people. I dont think running a no huddle all game is very fun but like I said before if you think it is then go ahead and keep playing. I get most of my games in quick match why? becuase the lobby is full of people who think they are oh so much better than everybody else. To me the game has no real cheese in it. I have played only one game when I said F this **** and it was against reggie bush and his CAP. Anything else goes its up to me to stop it.

However I find it more fun if my opponent has me guessing what he is doing and letting me try to make a good guess on defense. Instead of me having to go deep zone one play,short zone the next play just because he saw something open and hurried up to the line to take advantage of it.



Another very good post. Logically and sound. Yeah. I agree with that. But here is the thing though.... Like I/you said...there are a ton of "sim" player who do just as many cheese things as anyone. In fact I dont think I have ever seen a "sim" guy play the game like it should. Like you said......sim is just a made up term used for damn near everything.

But here is the differance. When I play some guy who goes to the huddle but calls Wing Joker toss 8 times...how is that any less cheese than no huddle? I mean people can say all they want about how no huddle is cheese while calling 30 to 40 out rountes a game....20-30 fade rountes....40 toss plays.

Also...its not that I think I am better than everyone else. I play anyone...know matter what. So I have earned my respect online....yesterday I beat the 2nd ranked guy 35-7. (he said I was a cheeser of course but HONESTLY I would think the 2nd ranked guy would not only be able to stop the no huddle....but he only scored 7 god damn points) but I rarely ever talk to anyone. I respond to lots of people though. I useally just quick game....play the my game...my oppenent useally quits in the 3rd QRT after being down 3 TD and then sends ME a ton of hateful messages. I rarely ever talk to anyone. People actaully come after me..I just want to play my game and be done with it.


Alright here we go. I guess this is what I am trying to ask. I am trying to figure out exactly WHAT you people dont like about the no huddle.

Is it that you dont have a chance to set up your defense?

As I said before...you have loads of time to set it up. The game forces the offense to wait until the defense is set up before hiking the ball (most of the time) PLUS...its not MY job to worry if you can get your defense set up in time.

When have you ever seen payton manning go, "GUYS GUYS. CHILL.....The bears defense is not ready yet....we have time to wait this is a gentlemans game."

Is it that you your guys get tired and you cant sub them out?

That is very very untrue. In fact the Offense tires faster than the defense at all times. I have fumbled away a lot of red zone downs because by the end of the drive my RB was so tired. So you really dont need to sub them out.

Is it that is not fun?

Well losing rarely is fun. And is it my job to worry about if you are having fun or not? How the hell am I suppose to gauge wether or not you are having fun playing me? If you are not having fun....why are you even online playing?

Is it because..its just not "right"?

Well I honestly dont think Gold TE are right. They catch way to many passes...but I stopped crying about it a long time ago. And when I loose I certainly dont send 20 message to the winner telling him how much of a no talent ******* cheeser he is for throwing to his TE more than a couple times a down.


I am seriously just not getting what the big deal is. I will tell you what the problem is. When Earl was running down everyone throat what did everyone say?

Go pratice stopping the run.

Guess what happend? People did...now Earl is not such a big deal.

When people complain about how TE (me included) caught to many passes what did we say.

Pratice running a defense that cuts off TE rountes.

When people said they couldnt stop X WR...he catches everything what did we say.

Double him with a zone on top and bump in at the line. But you have to pratice

Now when someone says...he ran no huddle all game long what do we say?

HE IS A CHEESER. HE IS A BUM...NO SKILL NO SKILL.

See where I am going with this? All of these elements are in the game...yet no huddle is the ONLY element where people are like, "F IT....THATS JUST A GOD DAMN CHEAT. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO. CHEESER...CHEATER.


If you cant stop the run...you pratice stopping the run.
If you cant stop the pass...you pratice stopping the pass.
If you get sacked alot you pratice moving around in the pocket.
But if you cant stop the no huddle.......you just ***** about it and call everyone who does it a cheeser.



Thats what I dont get. Its not like my QB is god like...or my Running back cannot be tackled.........like everything else...why cant you just pratice stopping the no huddle? No one can run no huddle on me because I praticed stopping it.


If someone can answer that.....I swear to god I will never run a another no huddle.


Also....just a note...to all the people think I am not good at this game. Put up or shut up.

Gamertag (for the 3rd time) is Soodmeg come play me and I will show you I can beat you no matter what I am running.

[digitalandroid]

People who use no huddle cant score any other way.

Haha yea, the No-huddle actually ruins their chances of scoring. They just set them selves up for turnovers.

Always happens when i play against n0-huddle style offense

[digitalandroid]

Another very good post. Logically and sound. Yeah. I agree with that. But here is the thing though.... Like I/you said...there are a ton of "sim" player who do just as many cheese things as anyone. In fact I dont think I have ever seen a "sim" guy play the game like it should. Like you said......sim is just a made up term used for damn near everything.

But here is the differance. When I play some guy who goes to the huddle but calls Wing Joker toss 8 times...how is that any less cheese than no huddle? I mean people can say all they want about how no huddle is cheese while calling 30 to 40 out rountes a game....20-30 fade rountes....40 toss plays.

Also...its not that I think I am better than everyone else. I play anyone...know matter what. So I have earned my respect online....yesterday I beat the 2nd ranked guy 35-7. (he said I was a cheeser of course but HONESTLY I would think the 2nd ranked guy would not only be able to stop the no huddle....but he only scored 7 god damn points) but I rarely ever talk to anyone. I respond to lots of people though. I useally just quick game....play the my game...my oppenent useally quits in the 3rd QRT after being down 3 TD and then sends ME a ton of hateful messages. I rarely ever talk to anyone. People actaully come after me..I just want to play my game and be done with it.


Alright here we go. I guess this is what I am trying to ask. I am trying to figure out exactly WHAT you people dont like about the no huddle.

Is it that you dont have a chance to set up your defense?

As I said before...you have loads of time to set it up. The game forces the offense to wait until the defense is set up before hiking the ball (most of the time) PLUS...its not MY job to worry if you can get your defense set up in time.

When have you ever seen payton manning go, "GUYS GUYS. CHILL.....The bears defense is not ready yet....we have time to wait this is a gentlemans game."

Is it that you your guys get tired and you cant sub them out?

That is very very untrue. In fact the Offense tires faster than the defense at all times. I have fumbled away a lot of red zone downs because by the end of the drive my RB was so tired. So you really dont need to sub them out.

Is it that is not fun?

Well losing rarely is fun. And is it my job to worry about if you are having fun or not? How the hell am I suppose to gauge wether or not you are having fun playing me? If you are not having fun....why are you even online playing?

Is it because..its just not "right"?

Well I honestly dont think Gold TE are right. They catch way to many passes...but I stopped crying about it a long time ago. And when I loose I certainly dont send 20 message to the winner telling him how much of a no talent ******* cheeser he is for throwing to his TE more than a couple times a down.


I am seriously just not getting what the big deal is. I will tell you what the problem is. When Earl was running down everyone throat what did everyone say?

Go pratice stopping the run.

Guess what happend? People did...now Earl is not such a big deal.

When people complain about how TE (me included) caught to many passes what did we say.

Pratice running a defense that cuts off TE rountes.

When people said they couldnt stop X WR...he catches everything what did we say.

Double him with a zone on top and bump in at the line. But you have to pratice

Now when someone says...he ran no huddle all game long what do we say?

HE IS A CHEESER. HE IS A BUM...NO SKILL NO SKILL.

See where I am going with this? All of these elements are in the game...yet no huddle is the ONLY element where people are like, "F IT....THATS JUST A GOD DAMN CHEAT. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO. CHEESER...CHEATER.


If you cant stop the run...you pratice stopping the run.
If you cant stop the pass...you pratice stopping the pass.
If you get sacked alot you pratice moving around in the pocket.
But if you cant stop the no huddle.......you just ***** about it and call everyone who does it a cheeser.



Thats what I dont get. Its not like my QB is god like...or my Running back cannot be tackled.........like everything else...why cant you just pratice stopping the no huddle? No one can run no huddle on me because I praticed stopping it.


If someone can answer that.....I swear to god I will never run a another no huddle.


Also....just a note...to all the people think I am not good at this game. Put up or shut up.

Gamertag (for the 3rd time) is Soodmeg come play me and I will show you I can beat you no matter what I am running.

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[metallicatz]

Peyton Manning doesn't run no huddle every series. And when he does get to the line he bleeds the entire play clock to nothing because he's calling audibles all over the place or pretending to. Not a good example to use. Keep trying.

[Soodmeg]

On an after thought.

For you guys who say its just no fun to play a no huddle. If you want pure fun..you should put it on rookie and play with some friends.

I played a guy the other day who had 2 gold WR and a Sliver TE. He passed on every down. Did I think that game was fun? Hell no! It was the first time I truely got blown out...I lost by 20 points.

You know what I did after the game? I sent him a message that said...Good game. I couldnt figure out how to stop both Gold WR while covering your TE.


See the differance? I didnt send him a message that said he was a no talent *** clown cheeser who lives with his mom and craves attention while doing anything to win a game. Nor did I make a topic saying GOLD WR = CHEESER!!!! and whine for the 43453453 time about how something is/was/will be/kinda is cheese.

I simply understood that he knew more about the game and had better stick skills that I do.

[Soodmeg]

Peyton Manning doesn't run no huddle every series. And when he does get to the line he bleeds the entire play clock to nothing because he's calling audibles all over the place or pretending to. Not a good example to use. Keep trying.



Actually it was a great example to use....but you should keep trying to bash me without understand what you are saying.

The game has ACC Clock...by the time I no huddle and audible to a differnt play...the clock is at about 10 or less seconds. This isnt madden........go read up and try again.

Even if I didnt no huddle the ACC would still make the play clock start at around 15 or 10 seconds.

[metallicatz]

You also seem to be glossing ov er the key point in what makes your style of play unfair. It's been mentioned, but you conveniently leave it out of your retorts because you can't justify it.

Example: You come to the line in some sort of spread package while your opponent comes to the line in 4-4 package. It's a mismatch. Even if he audibles into a different play he's stuck with a 4-4 personnel package. He can't sub out LB's for DB's with you running your no-huddle unless he calls a timeout. So you can sit there burning him on pass plays because you have a natural mismatch locked in that your opponent can't get out of. That's not "sim" because in real life a D Coordinator can sub out players in between plays WITHOUT having to call timeout. It's cheese. And it has nothing to do with "practicing stopping the no -huddle" because your opponent is locked into his personnel package mismatch and in that case no amount of practice will help LB's cover a good WR in most instances. And vice versa if you came to the line in the I formation and your opponent came with a Dime package. You could exploit the mismatches in the running game nearly every play because your opponent is overloaded with weaker tackling DB's and you're stacked with blockers and a star RB in most cases.

The fundmental problem with your argument is that your opponent can't make personnel changes in between plays if there's an obvious mismatch.

[Soodmeg]

[QUOTE=metallicatz]You also seem to be glossing ov er the key point in what makes your style of play unfair. It's been mentioned, but you conveniently leave it out of your retorts because you can't justify it.

Example: You come to the line in some sort of spread package while your opponent comes to the line in 4-4 package. /QUOTE]

Thats all I needed to read.


Why the **** would you come out in a 4-4 when I came out in a spread package?

Again. This isnt just, " HEY I CAN RUN WHATEVER I WANT...BECAUSE I WANT TO AND EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY THE WAY I WANT"


If you come out in a 44 against a spread 4 WR offense...you deserve to be crushed...

AGAIN. If I come out in a spread offense..you should come out in either a nickel or dime. When I audible to a 3 TE set..I MY WR will now be TE you should then audible to a 4-3 or 44 in which your DB are now LB and such..


If you call the right plays...your personall will ALWAYS MATCH UP NO MATTER WHAT I AM DOING.


I will say it again. You people ***** and complain about how you want to "think" to win...but you really dont...you just get mad because you cant run the plays you want to run. Why would you even pick a 4-4 to match up against a spread offense? That proves that its not the no huddle thats beating you...its because your cant call the proper plays .

[tpaterniti]

If you play this game solely to achieve a high rank, then by all means, go for it. Exploit 'til your heart's content. It's your journey, man.

Most people play this game as entertainment. They want to play a fun game with real football-like atmosphere and gameplay.

Uh... exactly. As a "sim" player (who doesn't think that no huddle or throwing to Rice is unsim) here is my point. I play the game for fun and for an accurate representation of football. I don't play it for rank. I don't care how many games I win or lose, only how I play.

If I win, but in order to do it I have to

-use the same 2 plays over and over
-use glitches to block FGs
-make 7ft WRs

-etc. etc. etc.

then what did I really accomplish? That is not fun to me, and most of us "sim" guys do not really understand why anyone would find this style of play fun. Is it really fun to use the same play over and over. I played guys in 2K5 who only used 3 plays on offense, then I look and he had played 700 games. 50 plays per game divided by only 3 plays times 700 games equals using the same play over 1000 times... equals a boring and idiotic waste of time IMO. THAT is what us "sim" players do not understand. People can debate about cheese and that is fine. FG glitching is straight cheating, as is freeze glitching. If you have to do this to win, why do people do it (I am not talking about you specifically)?

You see, to me, if I froze someone and got a win on my record I WOULD STILL KNOW THAT I DID NOT WIN. I'm guess I'm just funny that way. The truth is hard for me to ignore. And even if I were rated 3 like LiVe N DIE N TX and thought people were impressed with me (which they're not), I WOULD STILL KNOW THAT I SUCKED if I had to freeze people and cheat them to win, and that would bother me.

What is the big deal with rank anyway? Does it make you feel better about yourself to know that you have a high rank? Rank takes skill into account, but it takes many other things into account also, for example a.) Who you play (you could play only people you think you could beat and have a high rank even if you were average) b.) how many games you play (playing more = higher rank regardless of results), and many other things as well. In other words having a high rank does not mean that you are a good player and having a low rank does not necessarily mean you are a bad player. Everyone seems to realize this except for the losers who are frantically trying to increase their rank, as if having a higher rank somehow automatically means they are a better player and more respected. Please. We KNOW who is legit and who is not regardles of rank.

Ultimately the game is about fun, not seeing some meaningless number on your TV screen get better and better. So I guess us "sim" players just don't understand what the big deal is with rank and why people are willing to cheat to win when THEY themselves know that they suck.

BTW, while I agree that the % of super sim players is pretty low, the number of players who want a normal clean game is probably 70%, including the players who do not play the way they want others to play them.

[Soodmeg]

As a after note... THE GAME SHOWS YOU WHAT THE OFFENSE IS COMING OUT IN!!!

So there is no excuse to call a play that doesnt match up to what the offense is coming out in.


Try again.

[Soodmeg]

Uh... exactly. As a "sim" player (who doesn't think that no huddle or throwing to Rice is unsim) here is my point. I play the game for fun and for an accurate representation of football. I don't play it for rank. I don't care how many games I win or lose, only how I play.

If I win, in order to do it I have to

-use the same 2 plays over and over
-use glitches to block FGs
-make 7ft WRs

-etc. etc. etc.

then what did I really accomplish? That is not fun to me, and most of us "sim" guys do not really understand whay anyone would find this style of play fun. Is it really fun to use the same play over and over. I played guys in 2K5 who only used 3 plays on offense, then I look and they have played 700 games. 50 plays per game divided by only 3 plays times 700 games equals using the same play over 1000 times equals a boring and idiotic waste of time IMO. THAT is what us "sim" players do not understand. People can debate about cheese and that is fine. FG glitching is straight cheating, as is freeze glitching. If you have to do this to win, why do people do it (I am not talking about you specifically)?

You see, to me, if I froze someone and got a win on my record I WOULD STILL KNOW THAT I DID NOT WIN. I'm guess I'm just funny that way. The truth is hard for me to ignore. And even if I were rated 3 like LiVe N DIE N TX and thought people were impressed with me (which they're not), I WOULD STILL KNOW THAT I SUCKED if I had to freeze people and cheat them to win, and that would bother me.

What is the big deal with rank anyway? Does it make you feel better about yourself to know that you have a high rank? Rank takes skill into account, but it takes many other things into account also, for example a.) Who you play (you could play only people you think you could beat and have a high rank even if you were average) b.) how many games you play (playing more = higher rank regardless of results), and many ther things as well. In other words having a high rank does not mean that you are a good player and having a low rank does not necessarily mean you are a bad player.

Ultimately the game is about fun, not seeing some meaningless number on your TV screen get better and better. So I guess us "sim" players just don't understand what the big deal is with rnak and why people are willing to cheat to win when THEY themselves know that they suck.


Thats all fine and good dude but thats completely off base to what we are talking about.

There is a BIG differance between cheaters and "cheesers" I have never fronze anyone box...nor do I run the same 3 plays over and over (though I dont think that is a big deal..because I should be able to stop the same 3 plays) I aslo dont really give a damn about my rank. I do enjoy winning though...like most people.

The game is about fun.....and most people are havnig fun when they play. The problem comes when.....you feel that my way of playing the game is somehow "cheating" or looked down upon just beacuse its not the same way you play.

Both are legal....both are in the game.


If someone has fun throwing the Rice 89 times a game...that all be it let him. But I will enjoy intercepting and batting down 80 of those 89 plays.

[tpaterniti]

If they have fun doing that, then fine. That is what rep is for. I am not saying that cheesing is the same as murdering babies or anything. If you want to do it, then I am fine with you enjoying yourself and playing other people who do the same thing. I just don't want to play you. I think that is the stance most mature sim players would take. Cheese to your hearts content. Just count me out.

I do wonder though: Do cheesers like playing each other? For example, would you like to play someone like yourself or would you prefer a "sim" player (ignoring the complaining factor- just based on playstyle)?

[wraunch]

Will somebody please find this chump a girl? Dude GET A LIFE!!!

[Soodmeg]

Will somebody please find this chump a girl? Dude GET A LIFE!!!


I will tell the girl I am engaged to that. Then I will tell my soccer coach I dont have time to play college level soccer because I have to get a life.

Then I will stop traveling the world as a freelance cameraman becauase I have to go searching for this "life."


I love how people say that without knowing what the person does in real life.

[Maverick]

I think the biggest problem is that Soodmeg is a ****. No offense but your attitude sucks and that is why people are reacting to you. However, you should already know this and i am sure that is what you want people to think of you.

Now...as far as no-huddle its a bit cheesy...but you shouldnt bring a 4-4 to a spread. If you have a good mix of defensive audibles. And wait to see the formation of the opposing offense before picking yours you should be ok. If you double team Rice appropriately you should be fine. I personally suck at this game. Mainly cuz I cant play defense...but i am getting better.

However, I have learned offense. I have Rice, Ditka (cause sooo many match up problems and assists my limited running game) and R. moore as my recievers. I have Starr as my QB. my defense is built to stop the throw (silver and bronze CB) and bronze FS. So my team is built to stop the throw and contain the run. The idea being that i can score quick while my opponent will score slow therefore using the clock to win. (btw I use 10min qtr)

[birdfry]

You cannot adjust your Dline there for running the no huddle gives an unfair advantage to the offense.
So i play the game thru and then give my poor, or netural rating to whom ever i was playing. Then make them a avoided player via xbox live. When they complain about there rating I delete there message without reading it and go about my day.
I do this with anyone who i feel is playing the game using what amounts to exploits.

[ElGreazy78]

I'm not even sure what the point of this thread is. There isn't a question and no sincere suggestion other than to admire your greatness. I actually felt myself losing brain cells while reading it. If you're having a great time then more power to you. You go girl.
:rotfl: That's a good one

[xManning1018x]

I will tell the girl I am engaged to that. Then I will tell my soccer coach I dont have time to play college level soccer because I have to get a life.

Then I will stop traveling the world as a freelance cameraman becauase I have to go searching for this "life."


I love how people say that without knowing what the person does in real life.

haha... Seriously kid you can't be over 14 with that level of maturity that you display constantly on these boards. What girl would marry you anyway? You get worked up like this over a video game, one that you shouldn't even be playing.

By the way, you can't be traveling the world as a freelance cameraman (lol) and play collegiate soccer. The coach wouldn't allow that, you would have to be dedicated to working out with the team. Its OK that you have obviously never played a school sport, just don't pretend like you have.

"You go girl".... man that was funny

[Syrus Odin]

...to me its very very boring to play a guy who goes to the huddle for 20 seconds...comes out and gets tackled in the backfield and then spend another 20 seconds in the huddle.



Sooooo basically your saying you dont like football? Cause sorry to burst your childish bubble, but football is a game of smart thinking and strategy...not "OMG LETS RUN TO THE LINE AND THROW A BOMB TO A WR THAT IS COVERED BY A DE!!!"

People like you....I wont even finish that comment.

Bottom line, go play Halo 3 or somethin that doesnt involve strategy but just involves quick cheeze. Play Basketball if you dont like down time.

I bet you were made fun of as a kid and always lost in games like dodgeball or kickball..>So now you resort to cheeze for your wins.

Loser...Haaaa

[nflhitman]

I knew that this would always happen...I knew the day I decided to run a complete no huddle offense that people everywhere would **** their pants and cry for hours on end about how the sole reason I am so good at the game is because of my no huddle offense.

I knew that every "sim" player in the world was going to cower behind their "sim" titles and refuse to play me...or if they did they would ***** that it was because I ran no huddle and I am a cheeser and thats why they lost.

Let me tell you guys something. Offense in this game is worthless. Surprise!!! Anyone with half a mind can score in this game. I fought this for a long time...(I created the topic, "This game does not reward you for good defense) then one day I decided to buy into it. I decided to stop crying and complaining that people on offense were scoring on me so easy and I decided to fix it.

Check my gamertag Soodmeg. Check my VIP. Go ahead....if you are smart enough you will notice something. That my scored 124 Touchdowns while only giving up 47. That I have a 91% chance of scoring were as I only allow 73% of people to score on me. You will notice that I only give up 70 yard running to any given person no matter who their running back is....and only 180 yard to whoever is passing. I score almost 40 points a game but I only give up less than 20.


Now you stand there and tell me with a straight face that its D. Clark sacking you in the backfield. You explain to me how Okoye is batting down all your passes. You show me that Pete Metz is the one who intercepted you and ran it back for a TD. Hell show me how Bernie Kosar is the one who is tackling Earl Cambell in the back field almost every play.



You see.......what you "sim guys" dont understand is that its DEFENSE that wins me games. My question is now...where were you when your offense needed to score? Are you going to sit there and try to babble on how I somehow cheesed you on defense and thats why you cant move the ball more than 20 yards?


To all you sim players.....its not us "cheeser" that ruin the game. Its you. Its you being so lazy that you will not learn how to play. Its you who complain endlessly on message boards and in video game store about how the whole world is agianst you. You "sim" players ARE NOT MAJORITY YOU ARE THE MINORITY! You are the people who are inbetween the cracks eating away at the foundation of all online video games. You babble endlessly and complain instend of discussing and strategizing is what brings down an online community. Its you who outlaws virtually every part of a video game, No grenades..no noob cannons...no certain type of gun...no using fireballs...no armour. And the newest and most disturbing in this game. NO THROWING TO JERRY RICE. Honestly sim guys? Where will it end. When will you stop blaming everyone else for your short comings? When will you realized that virtaully everything in anygame can be stopped....but it just might require more and putting the disc in the tray.


So am I a cheeser by definetion? To you I am. And guess what? I feel good about it. I feel good knowing that I am forcing people to become better at the game. I feel good that people like me are forcing you out of your comfort zone and making you try something new. I feel good that I send grown men into fits because they cant figure out a simply Weak Side Cover 3 will stop any and all TE fade routes. I happy knowing that everyone is getting better at these competive games by finding new things and new strategies in all games. Because if you had it your way....we might as well just play pong.

Its sink or swim........and it seems like some of you are gasping for air.

(Note. This is my first and finally note to "sim" players. I will never say another word about sim or cheese ever again.)

The highlighted part right there is enough to call anyone a Cheeser and a guy who knows how to play a Game but doesn't know real football. I don't care about the comments on your no huddle, to me the subs you are talking about is what would tell me you suck at this game and you need every little advantage you can get. Go back to Madden.

[nyknicks33]

wow..this thread by this raving maniac was brought back to life? It was fun to get some chuckles though.

[MR Woo KP]

This sounded more like a runandshoot from the other side of the fence.

"YOU SIM GUYS ARE PURE DODO"

[tpaterniti]

You "sim" players ARE NOT MAJORITY YOU ARE THE MINORITY!

Wrong. It's about 50/50.

[Rapcity]

I think the word sim has just become an excuse to lose, and an excuse to say that when you win you are amazing because played sim. No huddle is not cheese because plenty of temas do it, and manual blitzing is more sim then cpu blitizing becaue cpu blitizing is you not controlling it.

[tpaterniti]

I am SIM and I win about 85% of my games. Saying that all sim players are bad players is a misconception. True some people whine about anything and everything. But most sim players just want a realistic football experience rather than the lowest common denominator. We want to play FOOTBALL. Blitzing glitches, backing up 12 yards and bombing it down the field all the time, using the same 3 plays all game, etc. etc. etc.- whatever these things are they are not anything like the FOOTBALL I watch on Sunday. That is basically all that the non-overly-whiny sim players are saying.

[Birdman1702]

No huddle is not cheese because plenty of temas do it, and manual blitzing is more sim then cpu blitizing becaue cpu blitizing is you not controlling it.

Why do so many people continue to confuse no huddle with hurry-up? You're right though.....plenty of teams run the no-huddle, but how many of them run a hurry-up offense the majority of the time?

As for the bolded part of your post....this has to be a joke. Most, if not all people, that manually blitz are taking advantage of poor AI. AI very rarely, if ever, picks up a user blitz correctly.

[Gunther]

If you run no huddle all game anyone worth a cr@p will crush you like a bug. period

[illmatic32]

You are a bum who just admitted his guiltiness..I wonder why Roger Clemens, OJ, and Bush cant do this..hahaha..You are a cheeser...thats that..You shouldnt do it or people will crucify you..sorry but its true..