Help me cheat

[rayrayjay]

Look I know I'm gonna get flamed, maybe I deserve it. Either way I won't take it personal but heres the deal.
I can't stand getting cheesed. Most of you can't, I almost break controllers kick cats, threaten wives.

I want to disconnect and get the win, or not get a loss. I can see your collective faces gasping for air.

Seriously, I'm a sim player, my feedback is at 94. My record is 31-31. I even mainly give good feedback, I have a green face but JUST barely.

My point is, I'm not a child, I can take a loss like a man but I want to be able to decide when I'm getting Earl Campbeled on a 30 runs to 3 pass ratio, or 6 4th downs. Or the dude decides toshow me 4 minutes and 59 seconds of him scorin TDs on replay.

Anyway, someone knows, just tell me for sbhits sake. PM me, or respond with all the guys who are gonna tell me I'm a cheeser or a cheater.

You guys should know this though-there is no better experience than cheating on a cheater....Except beating them fair, when I can.

[PLAYBQY]

create a 7 foot tall running back and giev him scissor kick...lol and your welcome

[rayrayjay]

I just want the "disconnect win" or "discon without a loss" or rather "discon without a discon"

[rayrayjay]

Please tell me the freeze method

[bs129]

You guys should know this though-there is no better experience than cheating on a cheater

From a SIM player to another, cheesing is not cheating no matter how cheap and boring it is. Cheating is the ultimate form of "cheesing" as no coach would ever to be able to freeze a game because Patrick White just ran for his 300th yard or Larry Johnson just ran for his 40th time of the game. Unlike cheesing, cheating is a bannable offense and just isnt cool at all:thumbsdow

[rayrayjay]

You got me, I suck. I wish I was dead. But dude, you don't know me. Ask around I might be the most sim dude you ever played. Hell I might play a more sim game than you.
That being said...I'm keepin this goin till I get some answers

I appreciate the lecture though and am sure it's the first of tons

[shobe_360]

Please tell me the freeze method

Please don't use this method to get back at the cheesers, and please don't ask for "how to freeze people's xbox" Especially in a forum that could have plenty of young children who like to take advantage of exploiting the systems/games.

I had my 360 freezed by some user today and I was ****ed, my 360 wouldn't recognize the game memory, I got worried but after deleting the memory it was again able to run the game correctly.

So please I ask everyone, don't ask for the freezing method and don't tell.

Lets use the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for freezing!

[rayrayjay]

Wow, thank you. I am sure you think I'm a nazi or a terrorist. I am neither, I'm a fan of Pure sim, and I asked for a PM. BTW, when this happened to me, my xbox was fine, I just turned it off and turned it back on.

Whats this memory talk?

[shobe_360]

Wow, thank you. I am sure you think I'm a nazi or a terrorist. I am neither, I'm a fan of Pure sim, and I asked for a PM. BTW, when this happened to me, my xbox was fine, I just turned it off and turned it back on.

Whats this memory talk?

When mine froze, the system couldn't read the game memory after turning on, including all my other games. So I had to erase all of the games from the hard-drive memory and it cleared all the teams I had created and the work I put into them. All because of some moron freezing my system.

[Lacarious]

bust out those internet skills... i'm sure it's out there. Just do us a favor and post your gamertag so we know never to play you.

[shobe_360]

bust out those internet skills... i'm sure it's out there. Just do us a favor and post your gamertag so we know never to play you.

I Agree,

Rayrayjay, you act like you're very sim and then you're also asking how to freeze peoples systems?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[BofaDeezNutts]

Look I know I'm gonna get flamed, maybe I deserve it. Either way I won't take it personal but heres the deal.
I can't stand getting cheesed. Most of you can't, I almost break controllers kick cats, threaten wives.

I want to disconnect and get the win, or not get a loss. I can see your collective faces gasping for air.

Seriously, I'm a sim player, my feedback is at 94. My record is 31-31. I even mainly give good feedback, I have a green face but JUST barely.

My point is, I'm not a child, I can take a loss like a man but I want to be able to decide when I'm getting Earl Campbeled on a 30 runs to 3 pass ratio, or 6 4th downs. Or the dude decides toshow me 4 minutes and 59 seconds of him scorin TDs on replay.

Anyway, someone knows, just tell me for sbhits sake. PM me, or respond with all the guys who are gonna tell me I'm a cheeser or a cheater.

You guys should know this though-there is no better experience than cheating on a cheater....Except beating them fair, when I can.

I understand where you are coming from. I have even had a couple of games that were so cheezy I handed the controller to my 6 year old kid (who knows more about football than these cheesers) to finish. But, you say that you are not a child so, you should know that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

My advice.......you need to make smarter decisions on who you choose to play.
There is even a thread that lists some good SIM players to choose from and there are always a couple of them in the lobby.

If somebody other than runandshoot knows how to do this stupid glitch, Please keep it to yourself.

[thePLAGUE]

You got me, I suck. I wish I was dead. But dude, you don't know me. Ask around I might be the most sim dude you ever played. Hell I might play a more sim game than you.
That being said...I'm keepin this goin till I get some answers

I appreciate the lecture though and am sure it's the first of tons


Dude I feel you but I will probably not enjoy playing you...Total is sim is boring...I like to see people take chances...You have to man up and get better at this game...I dont mind people watching replays because sooner or later am also going to score and show you mine...Its tit for tat...When people scramble thge QB, I do the same, if they do hurryup I do the same...They try to go for two or block all my Fgs attempts I do the same...Its football and if you dont get tougher and learn to play aggressive you will be screwed...It pathetic that you have to actually get reduced to this because somebody showed you a few replays...Cheesing is not cheating...the freeze is a cheat, the fg glitch is a cheat, causing the game to disconnect is a cheat...The best victories are against those agressive ballers, beating up on sim wannabees with pretty girl atitude is boring...Get better.

[rayrayjay]

I know I suck.

[thefrong]

whats sim mean?

[Caine2878]

Yea that freezing crap is why I only play people I know online. I have a group of about 30 friends on my list that play and those are the only people I play. I would suggest you do the same. Maybe get with the people on this forum or something and just play them.

[BofaDeezNutts]

whats sim mean?

"SIM" can be defined in many different ways because, everyone has there own defintion of it.

My definition of SIM is basically using real life football descretion and playing the game as a coach would in the NFL.
And not abusing any exploits or using any type of glitch.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I know I suck.

We all have our boiling points and I have even been very close to quitting a couple games against these cheese style players. But, it makes me feel better to just beat there *** and let them know that they suck so bad that they can't even cheat and WIN.

[Prince_RIP4eVa]

noone is going to tell you, and now noone from the forum is going to want to play you

[thefrong]

ok. so basically sim is good (or rather not a bad thing).

[ScottyP]

So how does this make you any better than them?

I played a total cheeseball last night. Didn't glitch, just didn't play very realistically (I try to avoid the word "sim" because it's like finger nails on a chalkboard to me).

It was driving me nuts, but I still beat him. He must have turned his console off right away because he never did leave me any feedback....lol Beat them at their own game and it infuriates them.

Just finish the game and then look for better people to play against. I knew going into the game that the guy was up to something due to his feedback given and received. It was late and there were not many people online, so my choices were limited.

Getting the win felt good though.

[BofaDeezNutts]

ATTN: FRONG;

Yes.....SIM=good and CHEESE=bad

[thefrong]

so what would playing unrealistically include? going for it on 4th, 2 pt conversions when theyr not needed, etc?

[ScottyP]

Pretty much. Think of things you wouldn't see in a football game.

Going for it on every 4th down. Running hurry ups ALL game long. 2 point conversions after every single TD. Created players that are 7' tall with crazy attributes.

Essentially, anything that ruins the integrity of the game. I can deal with the hurry up from time to time because it happens. Going for 4th in legit situations or to put the nail in the coffin, fine with me. 2 point conversions when the score dictates, not a problem. Created players .... I generally just avoid them all together.

[thefrong]

why are created players bad?

ps thanks for the explanation.

[BofaDeezNutts]

why are created players bad?

ps thanks for the explanation.

Because there are people out there creating 7 ft...400lb WR's.......so, this ruins it for everyone.

[thefrong]

oh. so basically they can get to every ball and outmuscle everyone.

[tpaterniti]

Look, it's really simple. You hate cheasing and people who abuse exploits? Freezing is the ultimate form of cheating. You cannot say "I am sim" and freeze people. Those two statements are incompatible.

Personally I do not think the issue for you is playing cheesers or not. Avoiding cheesers is the EASIEST thing in the world to do if that is what you really want. All you do is go into the lobby and put up 2 fast messages.

"Waiting for Challenge"
"Rep 80+ or don't bother."

Then you only accept challenges from people whose rep is higher than 80. If you do this, you will only play probably 1 cheeser for every 30 games. Now they will have good players and they will (Gasp!) throw to their TEs and if they have Gold players on offense they will use them. This is not cheese. I almost suspect that you do not want to play good sim people because they would only force you to admit to yourself that you are not losing games because you are getting cheesed out of them; you are losing games because you are not any good.

I think you just suck and you want a way to improve your rank by cheating instead of the way most of the rest of us do, by using our heads and by going into practice mode, figuring out how to run plays, and earning it. Everyone of us sucked the first week we tried to play this game, myself included. Make your own playbook, experiment with different teams, practice your plays, read IhateGeeks post about how to do reads and read defenses, and start winning games the right way.

And your logic that everyone loves cheesing a cheeser? WTF are you talking about? Didn't your parents ever tell you 2 wrongs don't make a right? Well I am if they didn't.

Let me break this down for you. TRUE sim players enjoy winning on their own merits. TRUE sim players are not concerned with rank; they focus on good play and execution and let the rank take care of itself. TRUE sim players would not enjoy a win they had to cheat to get, because to a TRUE sim player it isn't the number on the rank screen that tells them how good they are- it's their own confidence and conscious. I am a true sim player and there are many more like me. NOTHING you have said sounds like anything any sim player I know would say. You just sound like a loser who sucks at this game and would rather cheat to improve some meaningless rank number rather than taking the time to actually figure out how to play the game.

Now STFU and stop posting this stuff because you are giving TRUE sim players a bad name and most of all you are embarassing yourself.

[tpaterniti]

why are created players bad?

ps thanks for the explanation.

Look, there is nothing wrong with created players. Follow these steps and you will hve no complaints.

1. Play ONLY people with rep over 80%.
2. Before kickoff look in the defensive matchups to check their created players to make sure they are realistic.

Simple as that. Do this and the number of CAP abusers you will play will be maybe 1 in 100 games. Personally I have only played 2 people who abused CAPs and I have played 125 games online.

[tpaterniti]

If somebody other than runandshoot knows how to do this stupid glitch, Please keep it to yourself.

That would be everybody ranked in the top 10 except Ben Richardson who is legit. How do you think the rest of them got into the top 10 in the first place? Guys like LiVe N DIE IN TX (#3)- he would be lucky to break the top 1,000 if he couldn't freeze his way out of losses and that is no exaggeration.

[thefrong]

Those guys are freaks.

[rayrayjay]

Look, it's really simple. You hate cheasing and people who abuse exploits? Freezing is the ultimate form of cheating. You cannot say "I am sim" and freeze people. Those two statements are incompatible.

Personally I do not think the issue for you is playing cheesers or not. Avoiding cheesers is the EASIEST thing in the world to do if that is what you really want. All you do is go into the lobby and put up 2 fast messages.

"Waiting for Challenge"
"Rep 80+ or don't bother."

Then you only accept challenges from people whose rep is higher than 80. If you do this, you will only play probably 1 cheeser for every 30 games. Now they will have good players and they will (Gasp!) throw to their TEs and if they have Gold players on offense they will use them. This is not cheese. I almost suspect that you do not want to play good sim people because they would only force you to admit to yourself that you are not losing games because you are getting cheesed out of them; you are losing games because you are not any good.

I think you just suck and you want a way to improve your rank by cheating instead of the way most of the rest of us do, by using our heads and by going into practice mode, figuring out how to run plays, and earning it. Everyone of us sucked the first week we tried to play this game, myself included. Make your own playbook, experiment with different teams, practice your plays, read IhateGeeks post about how to do reads and read defenses, and start winning games the right way.

And your logic that everyone loves cheesing a cheeser? WTF are you talking about? Didn't your parents ever tell you 2 wrongs don't make a right? Well I am if they didn't.

Let me break this down for you. TRUE sim players enjoy winning on their own merits. TRUE sim players are not concerned with rank; they focus on good play and execution and let the rank take care of itself. TRUE sim players would not enjoy a win they had to cheat to get, because to a TRUE sim player it isn't the number on the rank screen that tells them how good they are- it's their own confidence and conscious. I am a true sim player and there are many more like me. NOTHING you have said sounds like anything any sim player I know would say. You just sound like a loser who sucks at this game and would rather cheat to improve some meaningless rank number rather than taking the time to actually figure out how to play the game.

Now STFU and stop posting this stuff because you are giving TRUE sim players a bad name and most of all you are embarassing yourself.

Thankyou for blasting me. Perhaps we could play sometime before you rush to judgement.
I play a good game. I'm 33-34 And have a 94% rating. Oh well, I can't convince you. It's cool. I'd rather be blastedby my sim peers than anyone else.

[BofaDeezNutts]

That would be everybody ranked in the top 10 except Ben Richardson who is legit. How do you think the rest of them got into the top 10 in the first place? Guys like LiVe N DIE IN TX (#3)- he would be lucky to break the top 1,000 if he couldn't freeze his way out of losses and that is no exaggeration.

I have played ben richardson and I agree with you he is legit.
But, I also played someone that I am pretty sure was ranked #8 and he played a very SIM game as far as I noticed. And I won the game 21-10 so, he could have done the drop glitch thing if he wanted but, he didn't. So, I would have to say he is legit as well.

his gamertag was something like: DR DONKEY SHOW

[tpaterniti]

Thankyou for blasting me. Perhaps we could play sometime before you rush to judgement.

No problem. You needed it. I didn't rush to judgement. I think it is really funny that people who say they are sim and not concerned with rank get so ****ed when people cheat them out of wins and thereby mess up their rank. My rank right now is 125. On PS2 2K5 it was like 7000 because I got glitched and dropped so many times. I am not any better of a player now than I was then, and I do not think more of myself now than I did when I was ranked very low. If I lose a game to a cheeser or to someone who freezes or abuses exploits why should that bother me? It does not mean I am any worse of a player.

Let me sum up my earlier post. I tend to write a lot and the basics tend to get lost in the fray.

1. I do not think you are really ****ed because you keep getting cheesed. Because, as I said, avoiding cheesers is the easiest thing in the world to do if you really want to. My other post explains how. You either do not really care who you play or you are too stupid to follow 1 or 2 basic principles that would eliminate 99% of the cheesers you play. Or you have a ridiculous definition of sim and think that every little thing people do is "cheese" in which case everyone you play is "cheesing" you.

2. Freezing is the ultimate form of cheese. By freezing people you become what you claim to hate, the worst cheeser of them all. In other words, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

3. Life happens and you will get cheased from time to time. Get over it, practice, and stop worrying about your wins and losses so much and focus on the way you play the game. After all, you have to be able to look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day, and if you take this approach, after not too long the wins and losses will take care of themselves.

4. This was not in my other post, but cheese is a very subjective thing. Some people think everything is cheese and some people have an anything goes type of attitude. For example some people think quitting early is cheese- I don't. Some people think going for it on 4th down is always cheese, some think it is not cheese in certain situations, and some think it is fine any time. When people like runandshoot are able to freeze other people and get a win for themselves, 1.) They have made themselves an official judge of what is legit and what is not. That is not their place to do. Nobody should have the power to say essentially "Play by my rules or else." Because it is a subjective thing. That is why we have rep and ratings. If you don't like the way someone plays you, rate them badly. If you don't like a person's rating, don't play them. 2.) It makes it really easy for you to pull the trigger on someone even when they are doing nothing wrong. There are not many people in this world, who if they knew they could just freeze their opponent and get themselves a win, would not resort to that in the heat of a game. Even people who are reasonable and think they would only use it against cheaters, when they get in a game and someone starts ****ing them off, they would lose control and freeze them, and dream up some explanation for it later. I know that I am a very reasonable person, but I can say that if I got in a game and was ****ed because I couldn't stop someone, I would be tempted to freeze them if I knew I would get the win and no bad feedback. We are human and the temptation of being able to eject whenever we wanted and get a win would be too much for even good players, much less ones like yourself.

That's pretty much it.

As to DR DONKEY SHOW, yes I have played him twice and he is legit and sim. I forgot about him.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^^ Are you on xbox live or ps3?

Because, your gamertag does not look familiar to me.

[tpaterniti]

XBL. I need to change my sig. My PS2 gamertag was RandomXTeams. My XBL tag is the same as my user name "tpaterniti"

I am about 125 on the leader boards. Look me up.

[27k]

I would tell you but I don't want it getting out to the wrong people. I know how to do it but I have NOT used it even once. There are very rare cases that I think it's useful for.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I would definitely like to play you......so, I will be looking out for your gamertag.
Mine is boffadezznuttz2 (don't judge a book by it's cover) because, I am a SIM player and I think I am ranked about the same as you are but, I am not sure because I haven't actually looked at my ranking in a while........because unlike alot of people that is not why I play the game.

[Tuboware67]

Look, it's really simple. You hate cheasing and people who abuse exploits? Freezing is the ultimate form of cheating. You cannot say "I am sim" and freeze people. Those two statements are incompatible.

Personally I do not think the issue for you is playing cheesers or not. Avoiding cheesers is the EASIEST thing in the world to do if that is what you really want. All you do is go into the lobby and put up 2 fast messages.

"Waiting for Challenge"
"Rep 80+ or don't bother."

Then you only accept challenges from people whose rep is higher than 80. If you do this, you will only play probably 1 cheeser for every 30 games. Now they will have good players and they will (Gasp!) throw to their TEs and if they have Gold players on offense they will use them. This is not cheese. I almost suspect that you do not want to play good sim people because they would only force you to admit to yourself that you are not losing games because you are getting cheesed out of them; you are losing games because you are not any good.

I think you just suck and you want a way to improve your rank by cheating instead of the way most of the rest of us do, by using our heads and by going into practice mode, figuring out how to run plays, and earning it. Everyone of us sucked the first week we tried to play this game, myself included. Make your own playbook, experiment with different teams, practice your plays, read IhateGeeks post about how to do reads and read defenses, and start winning games the right way.

And your logic that everyone loves cheesing a cheeser? WTF are you talking about? Didn't your parents ever tell you 2 wrongs don't make a right? Well I am if they didn't.

Let me break this down for you. TRUE sim players enjoy winning on their own merits. TRUE sim players are not concerned with rank; they focus on good play and execution and let the rank take care of itself. TRUE sim players would not enjoy a win they had to cheat to get, because to a TRUE sim player it isn't the number on the rank screen that tells them how good they are- it's their own confidence and conscious. I am a true sim player and there are many more like me. NOTHING you have said sounds like anything any sim player I know would say. You just sound like a loser who sucks at this game and would rather cheat to improve some meaningless rank number rather than taking the time to actually figure out how to play the game.

Now STFU and stop posting this stuff because you are giving TRUE sim players a bad name and most of all you are embarassing yourself.

QFT.... so effing true dude, so effing true.... So many people play good players, such as myself and you Tpaterniti, and just refuse to believe they lost to the better player.....

[TheMan46112]

I have a different freeze for you. I don't know how to do the runandshoot freeze. After halftime and kickoff...... make sure you get the ball at half. You'll notice that the play clock wont start right away. Just call a timeout during this period and your QB will go to the sideline for advise from the coach. This is a cut animation and for some reason it doesnt stop. It goes forever. It's then up to who want's to quit first becuase you can't undo it. I'm not really planning on playing seriously once MADDEN comes out. I also know a Cadence offensive false start glitch that prevents your opponent from winning. You can do that forever too and maybe your opponent will just quit.

[young stizzle]

create a 7 foot tall running back and giev him scissor kick...lol and your welcome
THAT DONT WORK LOL ASK LIVE N DIE N TX LOL

[Phillip A Bole]

Look I know I'm gonna get flamed, maybe I deserve it. Either way I won't take it personal but heres the deal.
I can't stand getting cheesed. Most of you can't, I almost break controllers kick cats, threaten wives.

I want to disconnect and get the win, or not get a loss. I can see your collective faces gasping for air.

Seriously, I'm a sim player, my feedback is at 94. My record is 31-31. I even mainly give good feedback, I have a green face but JUST barely.

My point is, I'm not a child, I can take a loss like a man but I want to be able to decide when I'm getting Earl Campbeled on a 30 runs to 3 pass ratio, or 6 4th downs. Or the dude decides toshow me 4 minutes and 59 seconds of him scorin TDs on replay.

Anyway, someone knows, just tell me for sbhits sake. PM me, or respond with all the guys who are gonna tell me I'm a cheeser or a cheater.

You guys should know this though-there is no better experience than cheating on a cheater....Except beating them fair, when I can.

I ain't gonna flame you dude. But I'm not going to help you, nor am I going to play you.

[rayrayjay]

Anybody???