***DISCUSSION: You be the Judge***

[HotShot232]

Ok I been hearing about Campbell for to long now. Now I know he was a Beast, BUT I think they might of made him TOO much of a beast. Lets look at some stats.

Campbell numbers
115 games, 2187 atts, 9407 yards, 74 TDs, 4.30 yards per carry.

Now campbell did not run against a Defense that was STACKED every game like this game forces you to and stopping him for 4 yards a carry is almost impossible. So that is question one.

On to question two look at these people with stats very similar do you think they would be just as unstoppable as they made campbell to be.

Jerome Bettis
192 games, 3479 atts, 13662 yards, 91 Tds, 3.93 Yards per carry

Ahman Green
126 games, 1871 Atts, 8491 yards, 56 Tds, 4.54 Yards per carry

Green has VERY similar stats to Campbell....Do you think Green would be as hard to contain as Campbell is.

The point I am trying to make is say we ran a league for 6 years DO YOU THINK his stats would be on point with his real stats. I say hell no. They would be WAYYYY over what his real stats are.

What about someone in the game

Walter Payton
190 games, 3838 atts, 16726 yards, 110 Tds, 4.36 yards per carry.

Payton played longer has a TON more yards and TDs than him BUT has same relative yards per carry adverage DO you think it is easier to stop CAMPBELL OR PAYTON on this game.

Different running styles I agree BUT in general on stopping them which one is easier.
Which one do we here the most about????

Discuss....You be the judge!!!!
Nerf need???????

[Mnvic19]

I found it to be somewhat easy to stop Payton as a lot of players use the right stick and he always scissor kicks. It doesn't help his game at all and I am able to stop him with ease. He's not as fast as he should be either. They really didn't give Payton any love in this game. I feel that he and Barry Sanders are the top two backs, with Emmitt Smith and Gale Sayers right behind them.

[jerryismyhomeboy]

[QUOTE=HotShot232]Ok I been hearing about Campbell for to long now. Now I know he was a Beast, BUT I think they might of made him TOO much of a beast. Lets look at some stats.

Campbell numbers
115 games, 2187 atts, 9407 yards, 74 TDs, 4.30 yards per carry.

Now campbell did not run against a Defense that was STACKED every game like this game forces you to and stopping him for 4 yards a carry is almost impossible. So that is question one.

Shut the hell up campbell is as good as sanders but sanders plays like crap in the game

[Colspartan]

i watch campbell on sundays kids,and went to some game,here in austin and houston,i watch him put his helmet rite in jack youngbloods chest and run him clean over.Campbell possessed a rare combination of speed and power, and was a prolific running back from 1978 through 1985. His outstanding single-season performance in 1979 earned him all-pro, Pro Bowl, and NFL Offensive Player of the Year honors. It was also the second of three consecutive seasons in which he led the league in rushing. Only Jim Brown had previously accomplished that feat. Campbell led the NFL in rushing in 1978, 1979, and 1980. He played in five Pro Bowls and finished his career with 9,407 yards and 74 touchdowns rushing along with 806 yards on 121 receptions. In 1980, Campbell's best year in the NFL, he ran for 1,934 yards including four 200-yard rushing games, including a personal best 206 yards against the Chicago Bears. Despite playing against stacked defenses and being gang-tackled nearly every time he carried the ball (a then-record 373 times), Campbell managed to average 5.2 yards per carry and scored 13 rushing touchdowns in 1980 alone.

In 1984, he was traded to the New Orleans Saints, reuniting him with his former Oilers coach O.A. "Bum" Phillips. The trade was controversial in New Orleans, as it was widely believed that Campbell's skills had diminished, and the Saints already had the young George Rogers in the backfield. Campbell played in a diminished role in 1984 and 1985, and retired during the preseason of 1986, feeling that the beating he had taken during his career had taken too much of a toll.


Campbell is widely acknowledged as one of the best running backs in NFL history. He is considered a prototype for the bruising, power running back. Described as a "one-man demolition team," Campbell was a punishing runner. His 34-inch thighs, 5-11, 244-pound frame, coupled with 4.6 speed, made him the most feared runner of his time. Pittsburgh Steelers Hall of Fame defensive tackle Joe Greene claimed that Campbell could inflict more damage on a team than any other back he ever faced

[HotShot232]

You are given me back story we can do that about ANY back. What I am asking to be discussed is he OVER POWERED in the game compared to the other gold backs. Another words can you do the same damage with the other backs.

[Colspartan]

there is no other back like a campbell type.......wood maybe the closest,you can say the same about rice, each has his strong point,campbells was running over you though you are around you, just like barry would break ankles and out run you. i think they have campbell to the tee. and no i dont use him.but i may....lol

[HotShot232]

So u saying if we played a league a span of 6 years his total stats would look similar to the real ones?????

Me personally HIGHLY doubt it. I think the stats would be LARGELY increased. Now the other backs I think would retain MUCH closer to their real numbers

[Mike Williams]

This game is not built on his entire career. Or any other players' entire career. The game is built on the players at the PEEK of their career. And from videos I've seen of Earl.. he was a Beast to bring down.


P.S. When I run Sweetness, he's not easy to bring down either.

[Colspartan]

come on bro...keep it real...lol......and yes campbell did run vs stack defenses every game.when you play houston ,your D 's job was to stop campbell period.

[HotShot232]

This game is not built on his entire career. Or any other players' entire career. The game is built on the players at the PEEK of their career. And from videos I've seen of Earl.. he was a Beast to bring down.


P.S. When I run Sweetness, he's not easy to bring down either.
Ok well lets look at it that way.

His biggest year he ran for 1900 yards.
That is a adverage of 118 yards a game.
Most people you see with him can get games of 250 and up.

If you ran 1 season with him do you think you would GREATLY surpass his best year???

I think most people would.

[Cr4ckB4by]

The players in this game aren't made by their career stats, they are made by the abilities they possessed when they played their best years in the league.

[Cr4ckB4by]

Things differ in a video game. People aren't going to give someone 5 rushing attempts a game if that is what they averaged.

[HotShot232]

come on bro...keep it real...lol......and yes campbell did run vs stack defenses every game.when you play houston ,your D 's job was to stop campbell period.
You miss understood me. I meant in this game it forces you to put quite a few legends on Defense to contain him to realistic numbers. NOT every team had legends on their team to stop him.

[HotShot232]

So u all talk about REALISM but i am off here????? But now realism is not supposed to matter to his numbers?????? my god 2k gamers

[BofaDeezNutts]

I have no problem with Earl or any other player in this game. As a matter of fact O.J. Simpson has been tougher for me to stop than anyone. But, the bottom line is that i have probably won 90% of the games where I have faced Earl or any other top tier back for that matter.

Seems to me like people need to brush up on there defensive skills.

[Cr4ckB4by]

What's not real about Earl Campbell running over defenders? He did that in real life, that's realism for you.

[HotShot232]

I am talking about STATS, his stats are greatly increased more often than not. That is what determines realism more so than what he is doing. Sure he ran over people. But if he is running over so many people he is running for 250 yards SOMETHING IS WRONG. You don't agree? You think that still sits in the realm of realism???? I KNOW for a fact he ran over people and he was a friggin BEAST....but what I am tryin to determine is he TOO much of a animal by the crazy numbers people put up with him. Sounds bit overdone.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I am talking about STATS, his stats are great increased more often than not. That is what determines realism more so than what he is doing. Sure he ran over people. But if he is running over so many people he is running for 250 yards SOMETHING IS WRONG. You don't agree? You think that still sits in the realm of realism???? I KNOW for a fact he ran over people and he was a friggin BEAST....but what I am tryin to determine is he TOO much of a animal by the crazy numbers people put up with him. Sounds bit overdone.

I agree something is wrong.....and it is probably your defense.

p.s. Don't take this the wrong way.....it is constructive criticism

[Colspartan]

man its not the yards,it was the way he got the yards,and even with 8 or 9 men in the box,he still avg 5.2 per carrie.....wish you could see some clip of him,you would be like no way,if jim brown was on the game it would be very very bad....lol

[HotShot232]

Oh i have only played him once. I don't have a problem with him. Mainly because I don't play the lobby. BUT After all the talk about him I deceided to discuss him Based on the stats people talk about him.

[Cr4ckB4by]

Yes, the numbers Earl Campbell puts up is greatly increased from his career stats, but guess what, people have their own unique offense. A lot of people like to pound the ball the whole game with Earl Campbell, do you know what that leads to? Better numbers!

[HotShot232]

I have NEVER seen anyone give him 30 carries a game, so u are wrong there

[Cr4ckB4by]

You are absolutely right, no one in their right mind would give Campbell 30 carries a game..... Even thought I have, so no, you are wrong.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I have NEVER seen anyone give him 30 carries a game, so u are wrong there


That is because, we play 5 min quarters. Not 15 min quarters like in real life

[HotShot232]

ok missing the point

[Cr4ckB4by]

That is because, we play 5 min quarters. Not 15 min quarters like in real life

Not everyone plays 5 min quarters. I play in a league where we play 7 minute quarters.

[HotShot232]

I am in a few leagues as well and I have meet campbell ONCE. But from the stats for the season. They are going to SLAUGHTER his season stats record. on 6 min quarters.

I don't think that is in the realm of realism. But to each his own that is me.

[Cr4ckB4by]

I'm not trying to be a d-bag or anything HotShot, I'm just tired of hearing all these threads about Earl Campbell and it's irritating. I'm pretty sure though that they did calm down Campbell a tad bit because I've seen multiple times now that generics have been able to solo tackle Campbell as where before it never happened without gang tackling him.

[TexasFight1991]

WhenI play with Earl, I give him about 14 to 18 carries a game, just like everyone else I use.

[Colspartan]

iam a ex-running back so i run the ball maybe 90% of the game....i avg about 150+ at time more,my last game i ran for 264.

[Mike Williams]

Now this should explain everything


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdvVaTbwMrE

[xrams]

I found it to be somewhat easy to stop Payton as a lot of players use the right stick and he always scissor kicks. It doesn't help his game at all and I am able to stop him with ease. He's not as fast as he should be either. They really didn't give Payton any love in this game. I feel that he and Barry Sanders are the top two backs, with Emmitt Smith and Gale Sayers right behind them.

Pleeaaasse... don't metion Sayers....:( that dude rips me for 300yrds each time I play him....!!!:rolleyes:

[TexasFight1991]

I shut down Gale. -5 yards. Take lessons son....LMAO

[TexasFight1991]

Earl Campbell is realistic in this game. He ran over everyone. The tyler rose has no equal.

[Colspartan]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=0yRA6sAO8xs

[Dallas4lr]

Hmmm,


Lets look at another stat look at games played vs touchdowns, none of the guys you mentioned are even close. Earl scored a touchdown in almost 70% of the games he played. I saw alot of his games and he had a sorry offensive line and the oilers had no passing game, rushing against stacked defenses. So you take earl and one are two lengends on the O-line, your giving him way more then he ever had, so I think his figures are just fine in this game.

Dallas

[budsclass201]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=0yRA6sAO8xs

Nice video, but the way he is breaking all those tackles, I suspect his coach is using one of those turbo controllers.