Say Bye Bye to the Run Game!!

[No. 16]

I've been testing my new team and I've shut down Sayers, OJ, and Campbell. Well shutdown maybe a bit much but held each to <100 yards and less than 4 yards per carry.

I'll go into details later, but I have work in an hour (tough being a waiter, gotta make the dough when everyone else has fun) and not enough time to type it out.

However, if this thread gets enough replies I'll type a post when I get back explaining the details.

I've played 150+ games online with a bunch of different combos.

Say bye bye to the run game.

[TexasFight1991]

I had the combo of Dexter Manley, Fridge, Mike Singletary, Carl Banks and Joey Browner to hold Gale Sayers to -5 yards.

[2Nyce]

Yep, you can stop the run...but can you stop the pass?

[YungFresh]

EXACTLY!!!!

[TexasFight1991]

Yep, you can stop the run...but can you stop the pass?
Yes sir LOL.

[No. 16]

Yep.

I have the perfect balance on D. I believe.

I won't tell you my D, player by player.

But I'm gonna let the guys who cry and about Earl, Sayers, and OJ some guidelines and tips to stopping the run, since everyone talks about it but no one has offered the details.

[butterknife26]

I'm curious about your strategy to stopping the run. I can't stop it but I usually can contain it.
I usually play a lot of cover 2 zone and manually control one of the safeties. I rarely blitz and if I do it's out of the 4-4 and I'll keep Lott in centerfield. If I guess right the run definitely won't work. I try to be the clean up hitter and not the first player to confront the runner because I will get juked or ran over.

Ronnie Lott, and Eugene Robinson at Safeties,
Dexter Manley and Clyde Simmons at DE's
Miecklenberg at MLB
Len Barney at CB
Generic DLine - Run
Generic LBs - Run
Safeties and CBs - Pass

[2Nyce]

Yep.

I have the perfect balance on D. I believe.

I won't tell you my D, player by player.

But I'm gonna let the guys who cry and about Earl, Sayers, and OJ some guidelines and tips to stopping the run, since everyone talks about it but no one has offered the details.


Not only that, but can you run the offense really good?

Also, why not tell us your team? It's not like we're going to steal it.

Here is my team.

OLB Derrick Thomas
CB Deion Sanders

OLB Greg Lloyd
CB Lem Barney
DT Keith Millard

QB Jim Harbaugh
RB Christian Okoye
WR John Taylor
WR Ricky Sanders
TE Pete Metzellarz
DT William Perry

[Maverick]

hmmm this would be interesting...but the next question is where did you make sacrifices on your roster. Stopping the run is one thing...but can you stop the screen pass, short passing game and long passing game.

[2Nyce]

hmmm this would be interesting...but the next question is where did you make sacrifices on your roster. Stopping the run is one thing...but can you stop the screen pass, short passing game and long passing game.


That's what I am wondering. His run stopping defense won't mean nothing if he can't stop the pass.

[GreyHoundSteve]

That's what I am wondering. His run stopping defense won't mean nothing if he can't stop the pass.


Agreed. It doesnt take much intellegence to build a defense of run stopping legends and then play everybody close to the line of scrimage to stop the run but that really doesnt mean squat against a decent player who doesnt just hand the ball off when the defense is obvously built around stopping that.

I know i have Marcus Allen on my team and BEG for people to key in on him so that i can exploit the dozens of holes it creates by doing so. Same goes for pass heavy defenses, if i see a team with the 4 best covering db legends ..... Marcus gets more carries than usual.

Its not rocket science here.

[xManning1018x]

Yes sir LOL.

Cocky as always, huh Texas? Last time I played you OJ racked up 300+ yards!

[Ihategeeks]

Yep.

I have the perfect balance on D. I believe.

I won't tell you my D, player by player.

But I'm gonna let the guys who cry and about Earl, Sayers, and OJ some guidelines and tips to stopping the run, since everyone talks about it but no one has offered the details.

Details have been offered, no one reads them,

[TexasFight1991]

Cocky as always, huh Texas? Last time I played you OJ racked up 300+ yards!
OJ? You mean Tiki Barber.

[No. 16]

With the tourney coming up, I think I'll keep it to myself a little longer.

I don't know if I'll be able to play enough games to qualify as school is starting, but at least it will give me a chance.

It also seems like not much interest aside from the guys that already claimed to know how to beat the run.

My team is very balanced.

6 legends on D - Can stop the run and pass, although teams with 3 or more passing options especially when one of them is Jerry Rice + 2 silvers can be trouble, but what team wouldn't have trouble with a Jerry Rice + 3 rec team unless built to stop the pass (on the flip side that usually means their D sucks).

5 legends on O - I have an QB, 2 WR, 1 TE, and 1 RB so against most teams I can find a weakness on their defense to exploit.

I believe my team in the hands of a gamer much more skilled than me would be trouble. I'm a decent player. I have played 150+ games with a 45% win percentage. The percentage probably would be higher but I HAVE NEVER USED Jerry Rice, Earl Campbell, Sayers, OJ, Payton, Sanders or Gold QBs.

Then only gold RB I have used was Marcus Allen and the 2nd was always spent on a Defensive anchor.

With my current setup I have played 15 games and have lost 4.

[hooman1844]

I can stop the run too...that's what having 10 defensive legends does.

[No. 16]

I can stop the run too...that's what having 10 defensive legends does.

I only have 6 defensive legends.

[ryangassxx]

You're not going to completely eliminate the entire run aspect of any good player's game.. And if you think you've figured out a way, two words,.. "Bombs away"..

Oh,.. and if you've just loaded your D with all the gold and silvers, good job, you might actually stop the run. So, just make sure you don't let the other guy score ,.. ever.. Because you won't be able to match it with your generic offense.

[No. 16]

You're not going to completely eliminate the entire run aspect of any good player's game.. And if you think you've figured out a way, two words,.. "Bombs away"..

Oh,.. and if you've just loaded your D with all the gold and silvers, good job, you might actually stop the run. So, just make sure you don't let the other guy score ,.. ever.. Because you won't be able to match it with your generic offense.

Like I said ONLY 6 LEGENDS ON D.

1 GOLD
1 SILVER
4 BRONZE

That's all I need to stop the run and the pass! On offense I have more than enough weapons with 5 legends (1 QB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB) to score.

[ryangassxx]

Like I said ONLY 6 LEGENDS ON D.

1 GOLD
1 SILVER
4 BRONZE

That's all I need to stop the run and the pass! On offense I have more than enough weapons with 5 legends (1 QB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB) to score.

If you don't mind, I'd like to test your run proof d. And we can report the findings back to the forum.. If you've actually done it I'll give you credit..

(im not even a spectacular player, rank 1500)

So whaddya say?

[jtrainn24]

i think the best thing to have on D is two bronze DE's. more than that of course but i always use manley and another dude and they get in on the play run or pass

[TexasFight1991]

I like the combo of Harvey Martin and Jim Marshall. usually get a bronze DT like fridge, and get LB's. I've heard people say LB's are a wasted pick, that's certainly not true.

[No. 16]

I like the combo of Harvey Martin and Jim Marshall. usually get a bronze DT like fridge, and get LB's. I've heard people say LB's are a wasted pick, that's certainly not true.

LBs are not wasted picks for sure.

[GreyHoundSteve]

LBs are not wasted picks for sure.

I think lb's are wasted picks and heres why: Lets say your like most people and opt for a gold mlb, well thats fine but NO gold mlb can contain a decent gold rb without a TON of defensive help around them because its just too easy to just avoid the mlb, same goes for Thomas at olb, etc.... Then there is the issue that NO golb mlb can cover that well so theyre really no help in the passing game either.

Let me put it like this, if you spent your golds on Singletary and Lott and i spent mine on Campbell and Jackie Smith .... you got no chance of stopping me. If you spent your golds on Butkus and Woodson and i spend mine on (any gold rb) and Rice you got no chance of stopping me.

Simply put, Gold Offensive players > gold defensive players because its too easy for the offense to just go the opposite direction of your star defenders rendering them useless and if you man them up on my players i will shift and motion to put your defender way out of position for man coverage and even if i cant then i will simply just hot route that offensive player out of the play and throw to the other side where you are now left without gold talent and unless your going to spent every legend on D i will find a mismatch with my 6 offensive stars on the field.

Now on the other hand i do feel that at the silver teir there is some equality and i think the defense has the edge on Bronze talent. Ex: McDaneil can do a good job of covering Moore and Speilman can do a decent job of containing Okeye, etc.

Thats my opinion anyway.

[No. 16]

I think lb's are wasted picks and heres why: Lets say your like most people and opt for a gold mlb, well thats fine but NO gold mlb can contain a decent gold rb without a TON of defensive help around them because its just too easy to just avoid the mlb, same goes for Thomas at olb, etc.... Then there is the issue that NO golb mlb can cover that well so theyre really no help in the passing game either.

Let me put it like this, if you spent your golds on Singletary and Lott and i spent mine on Campbell and Jackie Smith .... you got no chance of stopping me. If you spent your golds on Butkus and Woodson and i spend mine on (any gold rb) and Rice you got no chance of stopping me.

Simply put, Gold Offensive players > gold defensive players because its too easy for the offense to just go the opposite direction of your star defenders rendering them useless and if you man them up on my players i will shift and motion to put your defender way out of position for man coverage and even if i cant then i will simply just hot route that offensive player out of the play and throw to the other side where you are now left without gold talent and unless your going to spent every legend on D i will find a mismatch with my 6 offensive stars on the field.

Now on the other hand i do feel that at the silver teir there is some equality and i think the defense has the edge on Bronze talent. Ex: McDaneil can do a good job of covering Moore and Speilman can do a decent job of containing Okeye, etc.

Thats my opinion anyway.

And I agree with you 100%. Read your post and you can find the answer to stopping the run while still having a decent passing defense as well. You stated....

1. MLB suck against the run, solid against pass
2. OLB need help around them to be successful to stop run
3. You need an LB to cover the TEs

If you think outside the box you can probably figure it out.