Can someone explain why playing with little time left on the clock is "bad?"

[Stiler]

Ok, can someone please explain to me why people get mad if I play when there's a little time left on the clock (<1min) and I'm out in the lead?

I mean if I'm like a couple of touchdowns up and there is NO way for them to come back or me to lose, what difference does it make?

I just think it's more fun to run plays until the game is over rather then sitting around taking knee's over and over. Either way it isn't going to make a difference so why do people get mad over it???

I got rated negatively for doing it even though to me I have no idea why it's considered bad? So I'd like someone to explain it to me.

I could understand if it's a close game and they might come back from something happening (IE fumble/interception) but if it isn't and won't make a difference either way, is it then just not the same thing as taking a knee and running the clock down, but instead you just play the game (and have more fun, which is why I do it).

I don't watch football or anything so I'm unaware if this is some kind of rule or something?

[puMa tic]

It's not any rule, no.

It is sort of poor sportsmanship to just run up the score. Take your win quietly, you know?

[Stiler]

It's not any rule, no.

It is sort of poor sportsmanship to just run up the score. Take your win quietly, you know?

How is it poor smortsmanship? I always tell the person good game and never say anything rude of play "cheese" plays from what I know.

I mean it isn't like I do it to TRY to run my score up, I just do it because I'd rather be playing the game then watching the clock run for 30 seconds at a time.

[Ray AP19]

It's poor sportsmanship, because, whether you mean it or not, the other person takes it as "You couldn't stop me all game, and I'm gonna keep rubbin it in even though the game is over."

[Stiler]

Well, I guess I'll stop doing it then :(, even though I just would rather do something during those times that it isn't gonna make a difference in a game.

[Ihategeeks]

There are statistically rankings for defense and offense as well, and your running up the score effects that.

[Numbski]

I doubt anyone is thinking stats at that point. If you're up by two scores, the smartest thing to do is bleed the clock and get it over with. The more you keep playing, the higher the odds are of you making a mistake and giving up the win too.

That, and you have to understand that there's a human being on the other end of that connection, and we all have emotions and blood pressure to deal with. Have some respect.

[The_Gamefather]

Ok, can someone please explain to me why people get mad if I play when there's a little time left on the clock (<1min) and I'm out in the lead?

I mean if I'm like a couple of touchdowns up and there is NO way for them to come back or me to lose, what difference does it make?

I just think it's more fun to run plays until the game is over rather then sitting around taking knee's over and over. Either way it isn't going to make a difference so why do people get mad over it???

I got rated negatively for doing it even though to me I have no idea why it's considered bad? So I'd like someone to explain it to me.

I could understand if it's a close game and they might come back from something happening (IE fumble/interception) but if it isn't and won't make a difference either way, is it then just not the same thing as taking a knee and running the clock down, but instead you just play the game (and have more fun, which is why I do it).

I don't watch football or anything so I'm unaware if this is some kind of rule or something?

Two reasons...

1. It's poor sportsmanship; rubbing salt into the wound.
2. It's smart to burn the clock out, because you don't risk turning over the ball to your opponent during a close game and giving them an opportunity to mount a comeback.

[twsn88]

Ok, can someone please explain to me why people get mad if I play when there's a little time left on the clock (<1min) and I'm out in the lead?

I mean if I'm like a couple of touchdowns up and there is NO way for them to come back or me to lose, what difference does it make?

I just think it's more fun to run plays until the game is over rather then sitting around taking knee's over and over. Either way it isn't going to make a difference so why do people get mad over it???

I got rated negatively for doing it even though to me I have no idea why it's considered bad? So I'd like someone to explain it to me.

I could understand if it's a close game and they might come back from something happening (IE fumble/interception) but if it isn't and won't make a difference either way, is it then just not the same thing as taking a knee and running the clock down, but instead you just play the game (and have more fun, which is why I do it).

I don't watch football or anything so I'm unaware if this is some kind of rule or
something?


Let me make it this simple, It makes the person who does it, a cheesing **** plain and simple. you don't run up the score in a game..if your winning you take the qb knee and you walk away with the win. If not your automatically labeled as that. Even in real life football games, running up the score is a slap in the face and makes you look like a ****.


there have been many games on madden and apf where i would wait until i see them do whats proper and right and it's 50 seconds left, they run it. so my solution that i quit the game and no one wins. Do it properly or don't do it at all I know it's just a game but even a game has rules. So thats why it's wrong to do because remember that in this world? what goes around, comes around every single time, so people who run that can go ahead but don't cry when it comes your way.

[Technique83]

You learn about this as a kid playing ball or being a fan.

In a nut shell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_up_the_score

[ScottyP]

Poor sportsmanship indeed. I pretty much always take the knee.

Except last night and I don't know what got into me. I was up by 2, 45 seconds or so left, he had just called his last time out and it was 2nd and 8 or so. I figured I'd run one more running play to get the clock moving and inch closer to the first down before kneeling. Well, Means busted it right through his line and I was in the clear. At this point, I took it in for the TD and put the game away. I immediately felt bad for doing it because I could have knelt and won the game by 2. Why did I need to scored again? Bad sportsmanship on my part and he gave me neutral feedback as a result.

Only time I've done that and next time I'll probably just dive down like I normally do. It was late and my brain had stopped working or something.

[General308]

Ok, can someone please explain to me why people get mad if I play when there's a little time left on the clock (<1min) and I'm out in the lead?

I mean if I'm like a couple of touchdowns up and there is NO way for them to come back or me to lose, what difference does it make?

I just think it's more fun to run plays until the game is over rather then sitting around taking knee's over and over. Either way it isn't going to make a difference so why do people get mad over it???

I got rated negatively for doing it even though to me I have no idea why it's considered bad? So I'd like someone to explain it to me.

I could understand if it's a close game and they might come back from something happening (IE fumble/interception) but if it isn't and won't make a difference either way, is it then just not the same thing as taking a knee and running the clock down, but instead you just play the game (and have more fun, which is why I do it).

I don't watch football or anything so I'm unaware if this is some kind of rule or something?


It is poor sportsmanship. I remember one year Dallas beat the Packers something like 18 to nothing. Dallas went into hurry up to get in FG range. Not because they were trying to run the score up but they were trying to let there FG Kicker break the team record for FG's in a game. I remember how mad the packers were and I remember Reggie White curseing about it. I think that should tell you how people take it.

Now I don't mind people playing when they are beating me. I will tell you this though. If you are beating me 31-7 and you call a timeout to go for it with 8 seconds left. That will tick me off. In my mind it is one thing to run your offense. It is another thing to take a time out in that spot to take one more shot to the EndZone. That bothers me. Because the players who have done that to me are like top 75 players that challenge me. I don't mind taking a butt kicking. But it is a differant story to stop the clock with 16 and 8 seconds left. I am ranked like 3000th and I just don't understand why someone in the top 100 that challenges me feels the need to do that.

But I will bet you this if it was a one score game when the player wants you to go for it I bet money you would take a knee.

Also thanks to the top 250 players that have challenged me. Most of you have been great You have made me a better player. Because of it my D is better and I was finally able to beat a top ranked player.

And while I am at it thanks SmithSpot. Thanks to your advice I can sometimes make a FG and am punting better.

[Dammstraight]

well i am supporting the side of running out the clock, if you want to do it and i 've had it done to me i dont necessarily give a bad rating, all other things considered as well. Its about empathy, what if you where having a bad game or just a bad day, and someone was trying to pad the stats on your when they where clearly going to win? Most people online play to win and if you locked in the win, it sort of show's up the other player.

Tell me if your oppenent was up 40-0 and there was two minutes left in the game and he was calling time outs to get a last ditch touchdown on you to hopefully crack 50 points. . . how would that make you feel?

damm

[GoodSense]

Stiler...
Although this is a video game it is a simulation of a sport so sportsmanship is expected.
The object is to win. You get nothing but self gratification from piling on points at the end of the game.

Kill the clock man. I've surprised some people by not calling a timeout.
Heck I know when I'm defeated, so I have no problem with letting the clock run down.

One suggestion I had back in January after I heard about the game coming back was to include a feature to concede defeat under 2 minutes.

You could have 1st down under 2 minutes and I could concede and either the game ends or whatever. I say give the gamer that choice.

[Phenomegirl]

I am amazed how how confusing this subject seems to be to so many.

As someone said in another post on this subject, is your life so exciting that you can't let the clock tick down? (usually less than two minutes, especially with the accellerated clock).

[ScottyP]

That is the only time I actually like the accelerated clock. It gets the waiting, whether winning or losing, to end much faster :)

[GoodSense]

I am amazed how how confusing this subject seems to be to so many.

As someone said in another post on this subject, is your life so exciting that you can't let the clock tick down? (usually less than two minutes, especially with the accellerated clock).

:rotfl: Very good response.

[Gunner969]

I agree with the original poster. I'm here to play the game, not watch the clock run down. It's more fun doing something/anything than looking at the clock go down.

If I'm on the losing side, I also rather see the other guy run plays so I can practice stopping him... again, why would I want to watch the clock go down?

[Higgus]

I personally always show excellent sportsmanship. But you guys need to listen to the thread starter.

Example: If I just crushed some kid 40-0 and there's 3 minutes left. Why not actually let him practice against me? He obviously didn't learn how to stop my passing attack, so why not run the same passing plays over and over and let the kid practice defense? He obviously needs it. Kneeling down doesn't teach anyone anything about football.

But, either way, you need to read your opponent. If he already knows how to play the game and knows why he lost, take a knee. Thats why you got voted neg... was simply the wrong guy to do it against.

Note: "Running up the score" is only an American term.

[ScottyP]

If you crushed someone 40-0, I don't think they are learning anything from you scoring more points. They obviously don't understand the game that well and running the same plays that have been working all game isn't helping them. I understand that you are saying it will help them learn, but some people just won't ever understand how the game works and in that case, you are simply running up the score on someone that won't be able to stop you.

[Technique83]

I agree with the original poster. I'm here to play the game, not watch the clock run down. It's more fun doing something/anything than looking at the clock go down.

If I'm on the losing side, I also rather see the other guy run plays so I can practice stopping him... again, why would I want to watch the clock go down?


Well, it's just customary for most of us. Growing up watching the game on TV, playing it, it became a traditional practice, videogame or not. Deviating from it will always be looked as poor sportsmanship.

If they had a cartoon about football (like Eyeshield 21) and you see a team up 30-3 throw a touchdown pass on their next posession, the ones with sportsmanship instilled in them would think, "wow, that's messed up", even if it's a cartoon. All this talk about trying to do plays for the hell of it, forget it, that's what the PRACTICE option is for. If I'm down and my opponent is doing the whole Victory formation thing, I would have no problem with it because it's what I have seen all my life. It's what football is to me. As painful as it may be, I gotta go through it.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I agree with the original poster. I'm here to play the game, not watch the clock run down. It's more fun doing something/anything than looking at the clock go down.

If I'm on the losing side, I also rather see the other guy run plays so I can practice stopping him... again, why would I want to watch the clock go down?

If you want to play the game instead of watching the clock run out and you have a considerable lead. Then punt the ball and play defense.....there is no reason to rub it in that shows total disrepect for your competitor.

[ScottyP]

Well, it's just customary for most of us. Growing up watching the game on TV, playing it, it became a traditional practice, videogame or not. Deviating from it will always be looked as poor sportsmanship.

If they had a cartoon about football (like Eyeshield 21) and you see a team up 30-3 throw a touchdown pass on their next posession, the ones with sportsmanship instilled in them would think, "wow, that's messed up", even if it's a cartoon. All this talk about trying to do plays for the hell of it, forget it, that's what the PRACTICE option is for. If I'm down and my opponent is doing the whole Victory formation thing, I would have no problem with it because it's what I have seen all my life. It's what football is to me. As painful as it may be, I gotta go through it.

True that. Nothing worse than being on the receiving end of it, but you have to deal with it. When I see that other guy taking a knee, I realize I have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what went wrong. Humbling.

[General308]

If you want to play the game instead of watching the clock run out and you have a considerable lead. Then punt the ball and play defense.....there is no reason to rub it in that shows total disrepect for your competitor.


That is a good ideal.

[SouthShallRise]

i just can't believe they had a wikipedia entry about it

[bill walton]

All this being said, it's a friggin' video game. You bought it to play and enjoy it, not watch your guy take knees....So enjoy.

[ScottyP]

If you want to run up the score on the computer, do it all day long.

When you are playing against another person, consider a little sportsmanship and don't just rub it in their face. The loss is bad enough for most people.

[BillyAssman]

If you want to play the game instead of watching the clock run out and you have a considerable lead. Then punt the ball and play defense.....there is no reason to rub it in that shows total disrepect for your competitor.

I was just going to say that.

I was facing a guy and it was 28-0. He was not that great of a player at all, and late in the game, I picked him off 3 times. I could have easily taken them to the house, but I just took a dive after each one. He gave me good feedback, and sent a friend request asking me to help him get better at the game.

See, you can make friends and boast good sportsmanship just by being a good person.

[GoodSense]

I agree with the original poster. I'm here to play the game, not watch the clock run down. It's more fun doing something/anything than looking at the clock go down.

If I'm on the losing side, I also rather see the other guy run plays so I can practice stopping him... again, why would I want to watch the clock go down?

I bet you have a rough time watching the NFL on Sundays and Monday Night. :lol:

We are all there to play the game. But there is a code of ethic in how football is played.
Running up the score unnecessarily at the end of a determined game goes against the rule.

And yes this includes video football. I don't mind if the guy chooses to run the ball.
No problem there. If he somehow gets to the goal and chooses to score that is fine too.

But aggressively trying to score under 2 minutes? Really. How much practice do you really think you are going to get in? Your better of with a rematch or another opponent to test your ability to adjust.



This is why I said it would be nice to have an online practice or scrimmage mode.

This way you could do just that. You and a player could practice punt returns, defending running up the gut or whatever you want. You could choose to even have play art turned on if you like. You could switch sides at any time.

[GoodSense]

If you want to play the game instead of watching the clock run out and you have a considerable lead. Then punt the ball and play defense.....there is no reason to rub it in that shows total disrepect for your competitor.
That is a good ideal.

I agree. This way they get to see if they can hold on to their win by testing their own defense.

[ToyDingo]

Note: "Running up the score" is only an American term.


This is true. In European soccer "running up the score" is actually a show of respect to the losing team. If you leave in your star players and continue to attack their goal with a score of about 4-0 (which is a huge lead in soccer) it shows that you respect the other teams "threat" enough to continue trying your hardest to win.

But, to the OP, you did show a lack of good sportsmanship. I personally wouldn't care if you had done it to me. If I allowed you to get to the point where there was no way for me to win regardless then I wouldn't really care if you got another few points off of me...

[ballin5692]

usually i always run up the score the 1st second and 3rd quarter but if im in the lead in the 4th i hold the ball as long as possible...

[Stiler]

I am sorry, did some of you not read where I said I do not watch footall/follow it really?

In other sports they do not generally do this sort of thing. There are plenty of sports where they simply play until the game is over, even if they are ahead by a bit.

I just liked to play the game and would pretty much fool around when this happens (I don't do it when it's a close game or anything, just when the clock was low and there was nothing that could be done either way to change the game so I figured it was fun just to fool around). Basically trying out plays I don't use a lot and seeing what would happen.

Though now that I know it's considered poor sportsmanship I won't be doing it anymore and I am sorry for anyone I played that took it that way, I didn't know that's how it is seen in football, just used to other sports where they play until the game is over and that is that (IE baseball, soccer etc).

[digitalandroid]

Its not too bad specially if im losing, it gives me a chance to come back.

Happened a few times when i pick them off and i get a quick TD right after.

[psingh01]

There is no way to run up the score in baseball...unless you are bunting with a huge lead it is still iffy. No one expects the offense to intentionally strike out either. In football and basketball you are not supposed to run up the score. Fights can break out....people will get hurt. It is one of the ultimate signs of disrespect.

You can of course do what you want but don't ask why other people think you are a jerk.

[ScottyP]

There is no way to run up the score in baseball...

Don't tell that to the Rangers who scored 30 runs the other day :lol:

[ToyDingo]

There is no way to run up the score in baseball...unless you are bunting with a huge lead it is still iffy. No one expects the offense to intentionally strike out either. In football and basketball you are not supposed to run up the score. Fights can break out....people will get hurt. It is one of the ultimate signs of disrespect.

You can of course do what you want but don't ask why other people think you are a jerk.

This isn't an issue in baseball, not because it can't happen, but because baseball has no time limit. A team that is losing 30-3 can theoretically comeback to win the game because innings can last forever as long as you don't get three outs. And for a team to intentionally try to get out on offense would destroy the integrity of the game. Therefor, running up the score in baseball technically doesn't exist.

[wowitsbob]

once again the people who give a bad rating cus u ran the score up are just plain sore losers.
i will never kneel, i will always play the game to the end.
i won't be trying 70yd passes but i will eb trying out plays i don't usually run to see if i can find something new that i like.
I will call timeout with 5 sec left in a game to try a 60yd fg again just for the practice for when i need it to win a game. if i get a bad rating it really doesnt matter one bit. Doing this my rating ios still 87 so just play the game anyone u like and don't care what someone else thinks.

[the reincarnation of SM]

OP....

STOP CARING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY ONLINE.

Serisously especially the people on this site...(these people are about as sensitive as over weight middle chicks)

But someone explain to me just how having the winning team pity you sooooo much that they just stand around for 5 min is more respectful than actually playing the game?

Like someone said before. In soccer (which I have played my entire llife including 4 years of college level) its respectful to continue to actually play the damn game than to just stand around. 110% the entire time.

That given said..and on a real note.I am American..but my family is from Jamaica and that is were I spent most of my life..and since I played soccer I travled around a lot.

And serisouly....we Americans are the biggest bunch of ******s about most things. I mean..this is football...are Super Manly Mans Super Tough only the hardcore men play......and you cry because the other team...is uh.....actually playing the game?

As anyone ever seen Ruby? Those guys tackle WAY harder than any Ray Lewis WITHOUT 10 pounds of pads to protect them. And we are crying because the other team is trying to score points? Pffftt...get over it, quit your damn crying and play the game.

[The_Gamefather]

I care about just one thing: fair play. You wanna kneel with a late forth-quarter lead? You're a class player. You wanna experiment until the end--be my guest.

[totalownership]

Poor sportsmanship indeed. I pretty much always take the knee.

Except last night and I don't know what got into me. I was up by 2, 45 seconds or so left, he had just called his last time out and it was 2nd and 8 or so. I figured I'd run one more running play to get the clock moving and inch closer to the first down before kneeling. Well, Means busted it right through his line and I was in the clear. At this point, I took it in for the TD and put the game away. I immediately felt bad for doing it because I could have knelt and won the game by 2. Why did I need to scored again? Bad sportsmanship on my part and he gave me neutral feedback as a result.

Only time I've done that and next time I'll probably just dive down like I normally do. It was late and my brain had stopped working or something.
If the game is done and the dude is still calling timeouts then you do what you gotta do. I'm all about the QB kneel like the next guy I'm ALSO all about knowing when the game is done and leaving the timeouts in my pocket instead of prolonging the inevitable. Same thing happen to me. Game was done, I always run one running play ,with no effort to see if the guy is going to call his timeouts or just let it go. No timeout, then I just take the knee for the rest of the game. He calls timeouts then I'm running, well one time Megget runs right up the middle, no effort mind you, gets about 3 yards so the guy calls a timeout. Game is well over but he still calls timeouts. So I just run with Megget again, no effort mind you, but the next thing I know I'm in the clear, well instinct kicks in , so TD it was. Now if dude had just let the clock run it would have been a knee all the way through but he asked for it.

[the reincarnation of SM]

Again.

Someone explain to me just how having the winning team pity you sooooo much that they just stand around for 5 min is more respectful than actually playing the game?


Maybe its because I didnt actaully grow up in America that I dont understand this logic.

In the game is 90 min long.....just how is it more respectul to only play 80 min and then stand around laughing and joking around with your team mates about your win as the other team has to sit there?


In fact...that is the one thing that I hated most about American Football. The fact that countless Min of the game can be wasted NOT EVEN MOVING. You can waste 5 min only running 5 plays. At least in the Arena Football League you have to make attempts to move the ball forward each play.

To a soccer fan where every second in soccer is vital this is the most boring, wimpy, wasteful thing in sports. Its a sport where 40% of the game is spent standing around doing nothing. Pfft. Respect my ***. You want to respect me? Save me from pure god damn bordem by kneeing it so all I can do is watch the play clock go by.


If it was so respectful why do they even play the rest of the game? If one team has clearly one why even stand on the field for the remaining 3-5 min? Just call the game and let everyone go home.

[Bezo]

I am sorry, did some of you not read where I said I do not watch footall/follow it really?

In other sports they do not generally do this sort of thing. There are plenty of sports where they simply play until the game is over, even if they are ahead by a bit.

I just liked to play the game and would pretty much fool around when this happens (I don't do it when it's a close game or anything, just when the clock was low and there was nothing that could be done either way to change the game so I figured it was fun just to fool around). Basically trying out plays I don't use a lot and seeing what would happen.

Though now that I know it's considered poor sportsmanship I won't be doing it anymore and I am sorry for anyone I played that took it that way, I didn't know that's how it is seen in football, just used to other sports where they play until the game is over and that is that (IE baseball, soccer etc).It's like that in all American sports where the highest score wins. In basketball, teams let the shot clock run down if they winning. In baseball, it's different, but you won't see teams stealing bases in the 9th inning when up by 10 runs... you won't see them laying down sacrfice bunts either.

Of course, you won't see this in sports like golf since you're trying to complete the course in less shots then everyone else, or in volleyball where the first team to 21 wins.

Like folks have been saying, it's a cultural thing. A soccer fan from France will of course feel differently than a football fan from the states. When in Rome, do as the Romans do, or expect folks to look at you a certain way.

But someone explain to me just how having the winning team pity you sooooo much that they just stand around for 5 min is more respectful than actually playing the game?

Like someone said before. In soccer (which I have played my entire llife including 4 years of college level) its respectful to continue to actually play the damn game than to just stand around. 110% the entire time.

That given said..and on a real note.I am American..but my family is from Jamaica and that is were I spent most of my life..and since I played soccer I travled around a lot.

And serisouly....we Americans are the biggest bunch of ******s about most things. I mean..this is football...are Super Manly Mans Super Tough only the hardcore men play......and you cry because the other team...is uh.....actually playing the game?

As anyone ever seen Ruby? Those guys tackle WAY harder than any Ray Lewis WITHOUT 10 pounds of pads to protect them. And we are crying because the other team is trying to score points? Pffftt...get over it, quit your damn crying and play the game.It's cultural. Unless you've played/watched these American sports, you won't get it. It's not about toughness. It's about sportsmanship. Yes, in soccer, sportsmanship & respect is shown one way. In American sports, it's shown another.

When you play soccer, continue doing what you do. But if you played football, you'd be the only one on your team trying to "rub it in"... unless that team had run up the score on you in the past, then your coach may want to return the favor. Other than that, let the clock run down, spare the team by shortening the end of the game, and go home.

And that reminds me. Soccer is different in that there are no time stoppages. No matter what the winning team does, the clock will run. In football, incomplete passes stops the clock. In addition to not running up the score, the sportsman is trying to end the game as soon as possible.

Think about college football. Sometimes teams won't kneel. They'll put the scrubs in and continue playing. The situation is different because there can be 100+ guys on a college team. A coach wants to get them playing time, but at the same time, letting the scrubs play is the sign of sportsmanship, not necessarily kneeling.

[Noodie 5]

if your up 30, there is no reason to rub in the score, in real life thats how guys get ****ed and end up hurting each other, clearly you never played sports.


Soccer is one of the worst sports on this planet, so dont even relate it to american football. In soccer, you got 22 guys on the field, kicking the stupid ball back and forth for 90 minutes and nothing happens. I dont care how popular it is where your from, or how popular it is in the world, the sport absoltuely sucks.

In american football, if your up big and try running up the score, believe that someone on the othe rteam is going to try to hurt one of your major guys. Its called sportsmanship, and besides, why does any other country have to worry about it. in 90% of all sports (minus soccer) the US is in the lead anyway, sportsmanship and killing hte clock isnt something the other places have to worry abotu when they are playing catch up.

[SouthShallRise]

Again.

Someone explain to me just how having the winning team pity you sooooo much that they just stand around for 5 min is more respectful than actually playing the game?


Maybe its because I didnt actaully grow up in America that I dont understand this logic.

In the game is 90 min long.....just how is it more respectul to only play 80 min and then stand around laughing and joking around with your team mates about your win as the other team has to sit there?


In fact...that is the one thing that I hated most about American Football. The fact that countless Min of the game can be wasted NOT EVEN MOVING. You can waste 5 min only running 5 plays. At least in the Arena Football League you have to make attempts to move the ball forward each play.

To a soccer fan where every second in soccer is vital this is the most boring, wimpy, wasteful thing in sports. Its a sport where 40% of the game is spent standing around doing nothing. Pfft. Respect my ***. You want to respect me? Save me from pure god damn bordem by kneeing it so all I can do is watch the play clock go by.


If it was so respectful why do they even play the rest of the game? If one team has clearly one why even stand on the field for the remaining 3-5 min? Just call the game and let everyone go home.

i agree...if i was an NFL coach i wouldn't run the clock out...especially if i turned around a losing team who got killed for years....i'd beat em to the ground

[Noodie 5]

then dont complain when someone slams your qb and destroys his knee ending your season.

Your views wouldnt keep you in your job long. If your up big, you take out your key players. Dont be an idiot.

[ScottyP]

We are talking about the last minute of the game or so, not the entire 4th quarter.

I grew up a soccer player as well, so I hear where you are coming from, but even in soccer, a team that is up by several goals will pull players to prevent injury meaning that they are not attacking at full strength.

In football, you have control of the ball, the clock is low and you can run it out by just kneeling. Again, avoid injury, avoid turnovers and walk away with your win. There is no need to run up the score. It doesn't get you anything extra and doesn't prove anything.

[chestnutz6]

Again.

Someone explain to me just how having the winning team pity you sooooo much that they just stand around for 5 min is more respectful than actually playing the game?


Maybe its because I didnt actaully grow up in America that I dont understand this logic.

In the game is 90 min long.....just how is it more respectul to only play 80 min and then stand around laughing and joking around with your team mates about your win as the other team has to sit there?


In fact...that is the one thing that I hated most about American Football. The fact that countless Min of the game can be wasted NOT EVEN MOVING. You can waste 5 min only running 5 plays. At least in the Arena Football League you have to make attempts to move the ball forward each play.

To a soccer fan where every second in soccer is vital this is the most boring, wimpy, wasteful thing in sports. Its a sport where 40% of the game is spent standing around doing nothing. Pfft. Respect my ***. You want to respect me? Save me from pure god damn bordem by kneeing it so all I can do is watch the play clock go by.


If it was so respectful why do they even play the rest of the game? If one team has clearly one why even stand on the field for the remaining 3-5 min? Just call the game and let everyone go home.

I've played soccer since I was a kid and follow it a lot, so I know about soccer. Teams do the same "kneeling" kind of thing in soccer. If a team goes up by 1 or 2 late in the game, they'll usually pass it back to the defense and just play monkey in the middle with the forwards/strikers. They possess the ball so the other team doesn't have the chance to score.

Same thing with kneeling in football, you kneel to control the clock and control the ball so the other team doesn't have a chance to score. If you run or pass the ball you give the other team a chance to score. In soccer if you shoot it from 30 yards out just because you want to keep playing, you're giving the other team the ball therefore giving them a chance to score.

[Lacarious]

You learn about this as a kid playing ball or being a fan.

In a nut shell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_up_the_score

Nice......

[Technique83]

This is true. In European soccer "running up the score" is actually a show of respect to the losing team. If you leave in your star players and continue to attack their goal with a score of about 4-0 (which is a huge lead in soccer) it shows that you respect the other teams "threat" enough to continue trying your hardest to win.

But, to the OP, you did show a lack of good sportsmanship. I personally wouldn't care if you had done it to me. If I allowed you to get to the point where there was no way for me to win regardless then I wouldn't really care if you got another few points off of me...

Also, points scored and points allowed play a big part in soccer standings (tables). In some leagues, if you split a 1-1 (one away, one home) playoff series, the team with the most goals scored advances, so even if a team is up by 2 goals to nil, they will try and get more goals to make the goal advantage lead insurmountable.

Ex:

X FC v. Y FC
Game 1 X-2 Y-1 Winner= X FC (+1 goal differential)
Game 2 X-1 Y-5 Winner= Y FC (+4 goal differential)

Series tied 1-1 but Y FC will advance to the next round because of their total goal differential (+3).

[the reincarnation of SM]

if your up 30, there is no reason to rub in the score, in real life thats how guys get ****ed and end up hurting each other, clearly you never played sports.


Soccer is one of the worst sports on this planet, so dont even relate it to american football. In soccer, you got 22 guys on the field, kicking the stupid ball back and forth for 90 minutes and nothing happens. I dont care how popular it is where your from, or how popular it is in the world, the sport absoltuely sucks.

In american football, if your up big and try running up the score, believe that someone on the othe rteam is going to try to hurt one of your major guys. Its called sportsmanship, and besides, why does any other country have to worry about it. in 90% of all sports (minus soccer) the US is in the lead anyway, sportsmanship and killing hte clock isnt something the other places have to worry abotu when they are playing catch up.

Really?

Soccer being the worst sport.......its actually the 6th most popular sport in america and increasing everyday. It has also sold out venues that Football/Hockey havent even sold out.


But also....America actually loses a lot in the olympics. So I really dont what you are talking about with we win 90% of every sport. We got bronze in basketball last year.....and not enough countries care about football to even be there. So I dont really know what sports you are refering to.


Just dont understand it....."I WANT YOU GUYS TO PLAY HARD AND WIN.....BUT NOT TO HARD..DONT WANT TO HURT THE OTHER TEAMS FEELINGS."


Chirst....are we back in middel school?

[ToyDingo]

Again.

Someone explain to me just how having the winning team pity you sooooo much that they just stand around for 5 min is more respectful than actually playing the game?


Maybe its because I didnt actaully grow up in America that I dont understand this logic.

In the game is 90 min long.....just how is it more respectul to only play 80 min and then stand around laughing and joking around with your team mates about your win as the other team has to sit there?


In fact...that is the one thing that I hated most about American Football. The fact that countless Min of the game can be wasted NOT EVEN MOVING. You can waste 5 min only running 5 plays. At least in the Arena Football League you have to make attempts to move the ball forward each play.

To a soccer fan where every second in soccer is vital this is the most boring, wimpy, wasteful thing in sports. Its a sport where 40% of the game is spent standing around doing nothing. Pfft. Respect my ***. You want to respect me? Save me from pure god damn bordem by kneeing it so all I can do is watch the play clock go by.


If it was so respectful why do they even play the rest of the game? If one team has clearly one why even stand on the field for the remaining 3-5 min? Just call the game and let everyone go home.


It's not pity, it's sportsmanship. Obviously you must have missed that lil' speech from your soccer team captain when you were young.

I am a soccer player at heart (four years starting keeper for my University). So I'm used to the all out attack even when up big at the end of the game. But sometimes, being in America, we would have laid off of the attacking later in the game if winning. The other team would sometimes take offense to this and push much harder. But, that's just a cultural difference. In Europe, we would have never laid off, because that is disrespectful.

American Football isn't just a bunch of men standing around for minutes at a time waiting for something to happen. It is strategy. Football isn't about who is bigger and tougher. It is about who has the better gameplan. If you are so ADHD that you can't see that, then by all means don't ever watch another game.

Not liking a sport is one thing. But, insulting a sport out of ignorance is a totally different offense.

[crashing_bore]

I haven't read all of the posts but it's obvious the majority feels it's poor sportsmanship.

I on the other hand side with the minority in that I'd rather actually keep running plays if I'm winning or losing. It is a waste to just sit there and stare at the screen for minutes on end doing nothing. I bought the game to play it not look at the screen until it's over.

It's not a sportsmanship issue for me. I"m of the opinion that if a game gets to the point where one player is kneeling, then the game is pretty much decided. If I'm losing at that point, I consider it a loss but would still prefer to keep playing the game. If by continuing to play the game some freak thing happens and it allows me to come back and win, I still don't consider it a legitimate win because I know the other player could have been a punk and just sat on the ball by taking a knee.

I actually consider it weak for someone to have a lead and just fall on the ball in order to get a win. Pretty boring actually. I would never leave a negative for anyone that takes a knee but in a non 15 minute quarter game, i don't understand why anyone thinks it's ok to take a knee. Play the game for the fun of it.

[Technique83]

I haven't read all of the posts but it's obvious the majority feels it's poor sportsmanship.

I on the other hand side with the minority in that I'd rather actually keep running plays if I'm winning or losing. It is a waste to just sit there and stare at the screen for minutes on end doing nothing. I bought the game to play it not look at the screen until it's over.

It's not a sportsmanship issue for me. I"m of the opinion that if a game gets to the point where one player is kneeling, then the game is pretty much decided. If I'm losing at that point, I consider it a loss but would still prefer to keep playing the game. If by continuing to play the game some freak thing happens and it allows me to come back and win, I still don't consider it a legitimate win because I know the other player could have been a punk and just sat on the ball by taking a knee.

I actually consider it weak for someone to have a lead and just fall on the ball in order to get a win. Pretty boring actually. I would never leave a negative for anyone that takes a knee but in a non 15 minute quarter game, i don't understand why anyone thinks it's ok to take a knee. Play the game for the fun of it.



I think part of the fun is 'winning' and what's more fun than preserving victory?

[crashing_bore]

I get ya. I'm just saying that there comes a point where the game is "won" regardless of the final score. Ya know, the point where if you asked both players if the game was "over" and they'd both agree it's a done deal.

I'd rather just play the game instead of watch the timer count down.

[Phenomegirl]

If the game is done and the dude is still calling timeouts then you do what you gotta do. I'm all about the QB kneel like the next guy I'm ALSO all about knowing when the game is done and leaving the timeouts in my pocket instead of prolonging the inevitable. Same thing happen to me. Game was done, I always run one running play ,with no effort to see if the guy is going to call his timeouts or just let it go. No timeout, then I just take the knee for the rest of the game. He calls timeouts then I'm running, well one time Megget runs right up the middle, no effort mind you, gets about 3 yards so the guy calls a timeout. Game is well over but he still calls timeouts. So I just run with Megget again, no effort mind you, but the next thing I know I'm in the clear, well instinct kicks in , so TD it was. Now if dude had just let the clock run it would have been a knee all the way through but he asked for it.

Exactly. It goes both ways. I think people who call time outs when they're on the losing end of a game that should be over, just to call them can be as obnoxious as people who can't handle watching the clock tick for less than 2 minutes (with accelerated clock) to be a good sport.

I also don't have a problem if someone runs a play to see if the other person is going to use a time out, before taking a knee.

[ToyDingo]

In all honesty what we are arguing about is a moot point. Because, although the idea of good sportsmanship is a valid one in the real world, it becomes a very ambiguise opinion in the virtual world.

Playing video game sports and trying to play with good sportsmanship is a Herculian task when you have many accusations of "cheese" and "unsim" flying all over the place. How can one expect to play with good sportsmanship if the person you are playing against is doing a DLine glitch or something. Therefor the idea of sportsmanship somewhat dies online.

Yet, that isn't to say that good sportsmanship can't exist in the virtual world. There are many times where players will willing concede a score or a play because of an unintended glitch or hiccup in the game. Although that is not something that you will see in the real world, given the flaws of video games that is an acceptable practice on the virtual turf. Players will often meet in the lobby after a game and say "Good game, bro." or something like that that really equates to shaking hands after a real world game. Isn't that a show of sportsmanship?

When we argue about certain things like taking a knee in the later stages of the game or whether or not your opponent is cheesing, remember the context of the game you are playing. This isn't the real world, it's the virtual world. As much as we would like to play a simulation of our favorite sports, the rules online are completely different.

But, regardless of what you may think, the bottom line is to play your game the way you want to play. And above all, just have fun...

[Phenomegirl]

How can one expect to play with good sportsmanship if the person you are playing against is doing a DLine glitch or something.

The thing is, I've played several games that I lost and without question, was going to give a positive rating (No glitching, played a fair and even fun game) UNTIL the knuckleheads tried to run up the score or pad their stats in the last seconds of the game.

Apparently, when and even how (had one person send me a message "I CAN'T FIND ALL THE PLAYS" to take a knee is far too complex for many people. In this particular post, I would like to blame our public schooling system.

[BofaDeezNutts]

My best and worst experiences with sportsmanship since I got his game.

Example of bad sportsmanship:
I was down by 7 on my own 10 yard line with 20 seconds left on the clock and 0 timeouts. My QB fumbles and the other team recovers it on the 1 yard line. So, he has the ball on my 1 yard line with 14 seconds left and he decides to run the ball up the middle with Earl Campbell for a TD.
Needless to say this ****ed me of to no end and I gave him a negative (poor sportsmanship) rating.

Example of good sportsmanship:
It was early on in the game and I got a late hit call (I am so used to 2K5 that I keep hitting players late) and he declined the penalty because, on the replay you could see that when I dove to tackle his player that he was still on his feet, but by the time I hit him he was not. I owe this great show of sportsmanship to
GT: iamsoonersam

By the way that was a great game last night iamsoonersam....that offense of yours is probably the toughest that I have faced yet.

[BofaDeezNutts]

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[Tbonious Prime]

i dont know how many drives i have knelt on my opponents 1 yard line at the end of games, i almost think its disrespectful to not go ahead and go for it, but i leave it be

but anyway, if i kneel the ball, and they call time out, then to me, that means they still want to play, so my offense continues at 110%

[Darkheath]

The thing is, I've played several games that I lost and without question, was going to give a positive rating (No glitching, played a fair and even fun game) UNTIL the knuckleheads tried to run up the score or pad their stats in the last seconds of the game.

Apparently, when and even how (had one person send me a message "I CAN'T FIND ALL THE PLAYS" to take a knee is far too complex for many people. In this particular post, I would like to blame our public schooling system.


Heh... funny, all you have to do at that point in the game is pull the left trigger and BAM! there you go... QB Kneel play sitting there just as pretty as can be.

[KCChiefsMan]

ya be a gentleman about your win, when people do that to me I pause it until the full amount of time and then I tell them that the game would have been over if you didn't have to be a d-bag

[ToyDingo]

ya be a gentleman about your win, when people do that to me I pause it until the full amount of time and then I tell them that the game would have been over if you didn't have to be a d-bag

Wait...what?

By pausing the game to prove a point and call the other person a douche, you're being....a douche...

[Xtotheca]

lol man.....you need to pacify most of these online players b\c they dont know how to take a loss....me? I take a knee MOST of the time but I dont get upset if the other person doesnt.....

but hey, i look @ this as a video game, alot of people here dont so the smart thing to do would be to just down it to avoid the crying from sore losers

[OGGamer777]

i dont see anything wrong with it

[totalownership]

Example of good sportsmanship:
It was early on in the game and I got a late hit call (I am so used to 2K5 that I keep hitting players late) and he declined the penalty because, on the replay you could see that when I dove to tackle his player that he was still on his feet, but by the time I hit him he was not. I owe this great show of sportsmanship to
GT: iamsoonersam
I've had this happen to me but the guy took the call. But I wasn't upset because it's part of the game, even if it's a BS call. That wasn't good sportsmanship that was OUTSTANDING sportsmanship, but I wouldn't expect that as the norm.

[Trevytrev11]

This isn't an issue in baseball, not because it can't happen, but because baseball has no time limit. A team that is losing 30-3 can theoretically comeback to win the game because innings can last forever as long as you don't get three outs. And for a team to intentionally try to get out on offense would destroy the integrity of the game. Therefor, running up the score in baseball technically doesn't exist.

While kind of true, It's kind of an unwritten rule in baseball that when you are up by a large margin, you don't give up at bats, but you do take the agressiveness out of your offense. You won't see sacrafice bunts or even bunts for hits late in a game when a team is up by 8 or 9 runs. You won't see players stealing bases or performing hit and runs. You probably won't even see players trying hard to take the extra base. You'll basically see station to station baseball. Guys will take second on a routine double, but you won't see them try and stretch a single into a double if it is going to be close. Same with scoring runs. On a single, players will usually move up one base instead of trying to go 1st to 3rd or score from 2nd.

You won't see players give up at bats and strike outs a) because players are too proud and b) many players receive incentives for stat's.

Pretty much some sort of this exists in all sports (at least in America). In basketball, once a team is up by a large margin and the other team stops fouling, they will usually dribble the ball around to eat up as much of the clock as possible.

In football, until they can actually run out the clock with consecutive kneels, the offense will continue to run the ball to eat up as much clock as possible. You may see a pass in a 3rd and long, but typically you will see run after run.

It's just good sportsmanship. The other team is basically saying "you got us today now hurry up and get it over with"

[BofaDeezNutts]

I've had this happen to me but the guy took the call. But I wasn't upset because it's part of the game, even if it's a BS call. That wasn't good sportsmanship that was OUTSTANDING sportsmanship, but I wouldn't expect that as the norm.

Believe me.....I was in shock we he declined this penalty......because, I think I was even winning 14-7 at the time. But, when iamsoonersam did this I gained MAD respect for him.

It just goes to show that not everyone out there will cheese and glitch there way to get a victory (so they can rank up). But, that people like him and myself play this game for enjoyment and are not just playing to see our rank go up.

[Trevytrev11]

Another quick solution: Talk to your opponent:

If you don't have a mic, then pause the game and send him a quick PM

"Hey man, I'm not trying to run up the score on you, but do you mind if I try some things out and keep running my offense?"

I think the biggest misconception about playing opponents is that you never know what their frame of mind is. Some just may not know the unwritten rules of sportsmanship, while others may just be a-holes and are trying to run up the score. A little communication can help prevent a lot of these things before they are misinterpretted.

[ToyDingo]

Another quick solution: Talk to your opponent:

If you don't have a mic, then pause the game and send him a quick PM

"Hey man, I'm not trying to run up the score on you, but do you mind if I try some things out and keep running my offense?"

I think the biggest misconception about playing opponents is that you never know what their frame of mind is. Some just may not know the unwritten rules of sportsmanship, while others may just be a-holes and are trying to run up the score. A little communication can help prevent a lot of these things before they are misinterpretted.

Too true. Too true.

When I had my 360 it was always so difficult to play players without mics because I never knew if they were being overly aggressive, ignorant of online "etiquette", or just non-chalant. A simple message solves the problem.

But, this becomes a bigger issue on the PS3. The PS3 does not allow you to message people on the XMB without exiting the game (yet...update coming soon). So without a mic, communication is non-existent...

[Hotsuma]

i hate people kneeling lmao.. i rather them keep trying to score.. more practice

[GoodSense]

It is poor sportsmanship, but I wouldn't give a negative rating just because a person ran up the score.
If attitude comes with it because I'm milking the clock and keeping this person from piling it on then that might be another story.

If a person is 1st and goal I don't have a problem with them trying to run it in no matter the score. I don't think they need to go no huddle because that points to another issue.

Running plays aren't a problem. If you got Sanders and you try to run one outside so be it. But if you start tossing downfield to Rice, etc... or running no huddle plays then again it points to another issue.


If I'm ahead, given the example, I will do a run play just to eat up a little more time off the clock then a kneel would. Most will be inside runs. But if I can kneel and it will run out the clock then I will do so.


The rating system obviously needs a little more thinking through.
Rate game play and sportsmanship seperately. If this isn't being done then maybe they should think about it.

[GoodSense]

MIC play can be an issue.
I don't like rude people and I don't talk too much when I'm playing.

Most of the commentary will be, "Oooooo... nice play.", to just acknowledge a good play by them. Maybe some grunts and groans because I suddenly can't find a play I want or because I'm messing up with my assignments. The game does this auto assign sometimes when you are changing your m2m assignments and you can get burned real bad if you don't know it. Or if my player goes down at the hike it meant I was in the middle of something and more than likely I will get burned.

I don't brag or talk trash. I've only done that with one player in the beginning with 2k5 because of another forum experience and trash talking.

People have had to pause the game and they will tell you, they are going to the John (sorry to all you Johns out there.) or someone is at the door like pizza delivery, etc...



Anyway, I just shutup and play the game, so to speak. :lol:

[sleepyjay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezCclCSjNw THIS is poor sportsmanship period, up 120 to 95 ricky davis catches the ball and instead of letting the clock run out he hits his opponets backboard to get a rebound so he can get a triple double.. thats how insaulting it is that the other guy was about to punch him

[Xtotheca]

so if you kill a dog on a video game will you be going through what Vick is now? ya know, since its that important?

[ToyDingo]

so if you kill a dog on a video game will you be going through what Vick is now? ya know, since its that important?

I don't see how that is relevant in anyway to sportsmanship.

[reddog2006]

I am coming to this discussion late since as a madden player, I am venturing into the dark side :-) To the dude that started this thread and the rest of you that hate burning the clock, here's a solution. I've finally gotten to the point in madden that I can dominate lower ranked players, but I still remembe the spankings I got as a newbie, and still get occasionally. When I am so far ahead that he can't win, or if he is a complete noob, I'll still run my offense every possession, but once i get into the redzone, I punt the ball. this gives both us a chance to practice but without rubbing his nose in the dirt. Works for me and when the first guy did it to me years ago, I didn't forget that he could have pounded my butt up and down the field all game long, but chose not to. To me, that's sportsmanship, your mileage may vary.