i dont like the defense on this game.. compared to madden.

[Chop Stick]

i cannot stop ANYTHING. my gold guys are bouncing off people like nothing. i cant even get a sack.. where are my ints? the blitz is so slow. .by the time i get there.. guess what? TD!!!!!!! wooo i lose again.

now why is it on madden.. my guys stop the run? i blitz three people on all pro.. i know its going to the left.. and bam.. earl takes up for 500 yards up my ***

i am officially retired from defense.. call me cheese baby cuz the computer is now doing all my plays.

:thumbsup:

[YungFresh]

It's Because you don't know how to set your defense up right and if that's not the case, well then it's because you don't know how to play D. That or you don't know what plays to pick at certain times trust me madden is arcade style so you know there D is going to be easy b/c it isn't real football. That's Why 2K Is better it's more fundamentals involved and more realistic play calling wise. Also how everything works I hate when people compare the Two games there completely different.

[Chop Stick]

correct me if im wrong.. but if youre going left.. i send three guys left.. wouldnt that be a tackle?

[xManning1018x]

I'm losing respect for the self-acclaimed "All Pros most respected online user."

[Chop Stick]

I'm losing respect for the self-acclaimed "All Pros most respected online user."

pro.

and so am i, because im going to start becoming more cheesy. im just going to let the computer do everything for me.

[Tuboware67]

LoL I woulda changed up my game a long time ago if I were you....... your record isnt all the good, no offense.

[Chop Stick]

hahahahahaha ^ :rolleyes:

of course its not.. because i dont play arcade football like ben ****. i TRY and play ball control football.. when i play with a person that plays the right way.. most my drives are 4-5-6 minutes.. the arcade factors take me out of my element.. im not good at being down 21... im not good at being in shoot outs.. i do simple stuff.. thats the difference.

these people wanna go in there.. and pick the same ****ing d play over and over and over..

lets keep it real simple baby.

[General308]

I'm losing respect for the self-acclaimed "All Pros most respected online user."


At lest he hasn't complained he isn't making the tourney in this thread yet.

[J0ey559]

I have no problem playing D in this game..If Madden is easier for you to play then play it if you enjoy..pretty simple.

[Azn_Essence]

I agree with you on the defense AI. Soft soft soft D.

[nepharius4]

Defense is perfect, had a 3 - 0 win online, it was fun.

[Sdiddy]

The defense sux on this game, it can be played, but you have to do way too much. For example, Gold corners against jerry rice and don maynard caliber receivers, in man coverage, have very little chance of making a good play. The "momentum" for defensive players makes it very hard to make manual plays and cover the pass/run. Gold and silver defnsive players do miss tackles far too often. I can understand his frustration. The blitz is extremely slow on this game, ever try to sack steve young in the shotgun formation? Good luck

[Hotsuma]

Cause this game automatically sets your D out of place.. Which then causes you to adjust it your self.. add that in with people quick snapping and no huddle.. you got a crappy game..


Not to mention you cant move the dline.. realistic or not.. in a video game you cant simulate everything

[Sdiddy]

I was wondering about that. I swear in the old 2k you could adjust the dline. The dline only adjusts sometimes when you move the linebackers, but then your linebackers are out of place.....

Also, what happened to setting individual assignments. Lets say I have Night Train Lane and Lem Barney, I don't want Lem Barney to play bump and run coverage, but I always want NTL to, U used to be able to set individual matchups.

I know Jerry Rice is the GOAT, but damn, can NTL check one post route without user interference on his own, hell, can he check one post route after its run five times straight on his own. Playing D feels more like a babysitting job than actual playing D. Just a rant

[budsclass201]

Yeah, the D in this game isn't the best. In general, the Legends on O are A LOT better than the legends on D imo with a few exceptions such as Regie White and Dave Wilcox.

[netcat]

pick a gold LB and CB
2 bronze CB's
1 bronze lb
1 bronze Safety

Always play in a Nickel D (dont laugh) that's what I do and I have a stout D.

[Hotsuma]

pick a gold LB and CB
2 bronze CB's
1 bronze lb
1 bronze Safety

Always play in a Nickel D (dont laugh) that's what I do and I have a stout D.


lol sounds like old madden games advice..

Sit in Dime. or quarter.. and you will stop the pass and run

[acoosticant]

I don't have a problem with the D on this game at all. It is all about having the right players in the right positions and then calling the right plays at the right time. The only thing I think that is a tad unrealistic about the defense is the way the generic d-backs play. I think they made them a little too bad. If the generic O-line played as bad as they do it would be a sack every play.

Solution: Don't rely on generic players on defense! Put your stars out there.

[Sdiddy]

I had been debating for a while whether I should drop my corners and just run zone 24/7, I think thats what im gonna do. I have 2 GOOD safeties, 3 pretty good linebackers, and 2 Olineman. Im done with the willie browns and lem barneys. Zones all day!

[ToyDingo]

This is BS. My defense is top notch and I have three bronzes and one silver (Barney). Barney can shut down Rice or Berry with no problem if you know where to set him up. I don't understand all the complaining people are doing in this game.

Am I not seeing it?

[thePLAGUE]

Its take some intelligence to set up defense in this game...You have to set zone traps and take chances...A lot of people dont use all their offensive players, especially the generics...Note that early in the game and start blitzing those defensive players they are assigned to...If he is not throwing to his generic TE or generic WR then why cover them?...If you are not too confident about this strategy, play a few scrubs and practice this technique...There is a more advanced method of freeing up more men for the blitz but you have to understand zone coverage very well or you shall get burnt...

Learn by play the best...Watch and copy what the good ballers do - even in defeat, especially in defeat...People always want to quit and ran...I am at 106-40-2-0 and ranked a legit 98...

What I like about this game is that everytime my opponent lines up to ran the ball I get scared because the slightest mistake on my part and he scores...Its all about positioning and adjusting your men before the snap...Hide you intensions before the snap - thats why they have coverage shells...You should spend more time getting better at the game and less time whining on this forums...:)

[General308]

Yea you are right. I can almost count on my generic full back being open out of the back field almost every time. When I give him a run in a game most people seem stunned I would give it to him.

[GoodSense]

Wow! Are you guys complaining because you can't come up with a gameplan to stop a particular player or does this happen to you in every game????

I think that is the key issue. gameplan

Don't go for the one gameplan fits all suggestions because you might already be doing this and is the reason for your frustration.

You need to evaluate your opponent as you play to see their tendencies.
The key to stop Earl is the same for any big back like him. Get him running parallel to the LOS.

For the blitz plays are you taking into account the opponents OL, Max protection, etc...?

I think too many people are looking for that ONE SOLUTION defensive attack like in 2k5 and you won't find it here. You have to think like the coaches on the sidelines and like the players on the field.

Practice
In practice mode you can setup certain types of plays on offense and just see what defense works best for that type. ex... outside run. test your defenses against it to see what stops it. Then use those plays in your game when you see someone with success and willing to stick with that success. You shut it down and see if he has anything more to offer. It is not a one solution game. You will come across teams of various makeups and styles so this game requires more than just uh.... "stick skill" :lol:

[GoodSense]

Its take some intelligence to set up defense in this game...You have to set zone traps and take chances...A lot of people dont use all their offensive players, especially the generics...Note that early in the game and start blitzing those defensive players they are assigned to...If he is not throwing to his generic TE or generic WR then why cover them?...If you are not too confident about this strategy, play a few scrubs and practice this technique...There is a more advanced method of freeing up more men for the blitz but you have to understand zone coverage very well or you shall get burnt...

Learn by play the best...Watch and copy what the good ballers do - even in defeat, especially in defeat... People always want to quit and ran...I am at 106-40-2-0 and ranked a legit 98...

What I like about this game is that everytime my opponent lines up to ran the ball I get scared because the slightest mistake on my part and he scores...Its all about positioning and adjusting your men before the snap...Hide you intensions before the snap - thats why they have coverage shells...You should spend more time getting better at the game and less time whining on this forums...:)

Post of the day!!! GoodSense post of the day.
That brings back memories of when I purchased 2k5 and.... (long story I've told before) :lol:

I couldn't not have said the same thing in a shorter post. :lol:

Lots of good points I hope people will read.

I found out away to use the disguised coverage shell two nights ago that not only lit up a light bulb but blew it out the idea was so powerful. Some plays I wouldn't use because I didn't like the way the formation was setup. But with the Shell man you can make it work.

I think people forget that teams gameplan & practice how to attack opponents with various styles that will face.

[writer21]

He has a point the defense is terrible in this game. Doesnt matter who you have on defense such as gold linebackers or gold defensive linemen they dont bring any pressure what so ever. Gold linebackers or linebackers for that matter dont shed blocks in this game like they should. Once they are being blocked they can't seem to get out of it. Eugene robinson the bronze safety fumbles barry sanders? Really since when... This game cheats just like madden but with less turnovers. Why you think most games are high scoring or close. The other day guy punted it to barney for a punt return and lem runs for the ball but is somehow looking behind him the whole time so it hits him in the back and the punt team recovers. This game is a joke and so is madden. I think the reason for the terrible defense is the ability system which is nice to have but they should also have a rating system on the side with speed catching etc etc.. This game is a better choice then madden because of gameplay but its also terrible in many ways and you can tell this game wasnt fully thought out. 2k should've kept the same momentum system or tweaked it a bit from 2k5. Also they should of kept the same turnover ratio. I can't even remember the amount of games i've lost to scrubs and cheesers because joey browner muffs 10 interceptions. Also dline adjustments would help stop the run. And whats up with maximum passing I played 2k5 and my passes were dead on even me leading receivers. If you lead a receiver in this game its off by 10 miles. Gimme a break. The defensive cbs play better but the out routes get abused. Gold corners dont even cover them. I dont know why 2k eliminated most of the good features or changed them dramatically. But this game was rushed and wasnt well thought out.

[BofaDeezNutts]

He has a point the defense is terrible in this game. Doesnt matter who you have on defense such as gold linebackers or gold defensive linemen they dont bring any pressure what so ever. Gold linebackers or linebackers for that matter dont shed blocks in this game like they should. Once they are being blocked they can't seem to get out of it. Eugene robinson the bronze safety fumbles barry sanders? Really since when... This game cheats just like madden but with less turnovers. Why you think most games are high scoring or close. The other day guy punted it to barney for a punt return and lem runs for the ball but is somehow looking behind him the whole time so it hits him in the back and the punt team recovers. This game is a joke and so is madden. I think the reason for the terrible defense is the ability system which is nice to have but they should also have a rating system on the side with speed catching etc etc.. This game is a better choice then madden because of gameplay but its also terrible in many ways and you can tell this game wasnt fully thought out. 2k should've kept the same momentum system or tweaked it a bit from 2k5. Also they should of kept the same turnover ratio. I can't even remember the amount of games i've lost to scrubs and cheesers because joey browner muffs 10 interceptions. Also dline adjustments would help stop the run. And whats up with maximum passing I played 2k5 and my passes were dead on even me leading receivers. If you lead a receiver in this game its off by 10 miles. Gimme a break. The defensive cbs play better but the out routes get abused. Gold corners dont even cover them. I dont know why 2k eliminated most of the good features or changed them dramatically. But this game was rushed and wasnt well thought out.

Whats your GT now?
I haven't seen you online in a long time.

[Tbonious Prime]

He has a point the defense is terrible in this game. Doesnt matter who you have on defense such as gold linebackers or gold defensive linemen they dont bring any pressure what so ever. Gold linebackers or linebackers for that matter dont shed blocks in this game like they should. Once they are being blocked they can't seem to get out of it. Eugene robinson the bronze safety fumbles barry sanders? Really since when... This game cheats just like madden but with less turnovers. Why you think most games are high scoring or close. The other day guy punted it to barney for a punt return and lem runs for the ball but is somehow looking behind him the whole time so it hits him in the back and the punt team recovers. This game is a joke and so is madden. I think the reason for the terrible defense is the ability system which is nice to have but they should also have a rating system on the side with speed catching etc etc.. This game is a better choice then madden because of gameplay but its also terrible in many ways and you can tell this game wasnt fully thought out. 2k should've kept the same momentum system or tweaked it a bit from 2k5. Also they should of kept the same turnover ratio. I can't even remember the amount of games i've lost to scrubs and cheesers because joey browner muffs 10 interceptions. Also dline adjustments would help stop the run. And whats up with maximum passing I played 2k5 and my passes were dead on even me leading receivers. If you lead a receiver in this game its off by 10 miles. Gimme a break. The defensive cbs play better but the out routes get abused. Gold corners dont even cover them. I dont know why 2k eliminated most of the good features or changed them dramatically. But this game was rushed and wasnt well thought out.

whats wrong with eugene robinson forcing barry sanders to fumble? ANYTHING can happen at anytime,

i agree with the d-line adjustments, but i have got passed that with the shift they do when u shift ur line backers

if u can't stop the out route, maybe U should guard against it, atleast that works for me

maximum passing works great for me, and it is a whole lot better than that "vision and precision " stuff on madden

[dagman]

The "momentum" for defensive players makes it very hard to make manual plays and cover the pass/run.

Yeah, I agree that there is too much momentum such that I almost always play the D-Line.:(

[Noodie 5]

thats becaues in madden, playcalling is essentially meaningless. lbs' can cover wide recievers with ease, a 3-4 can cover a 5 wide set with no problem. The magnet hands issue is still there, which is when a perfectly thrown ball suddenly is attracted to a defenders hands. Linemen get way too many Ints, and can run down runningbacks with no problem.

The defensive AI in this game is good. You have to make good calls and put your guys into position. In madden, everyone is super human,s o your playcalling dont matter. Thats why I have 6 straight shutouts in madden where guys havent crossed my 50. In this game ive got shutouts in 4 of my last 7. I am allowing about 15 ppg. I have seen some guys in this game that dont allow anything. Learn to control your dbs on the fly, and call better plays.

[nyknicks33]

I havent played APF in about a week <sigh> and used to feel the same way on D until i figured some things out in practice mode.

1 was that I was getting my directions backwards in relation to the offense. for example.."Razor Right" is actually the defense's left. I felt like a bloody idiot when I realized that is what i have been doing wrong all along.


By the way..defense is madden is pretty absurd. I once played a guy who would play dime 3-2-6, and line his DT up as a rover, because he had a hammer icon underneath him and wanted to drill recievers. I just lined up in a jumbo formation and ran HB slams all game.

[thePLAGUE]

He has a point the defense is terrible in this game. Doesnt matter who you have on defense such as gold linebackers or gold defensive linemen they dont bring any pressure what so ever. Gold linebackers or linebackers for that matter dont shed blocks in this game like they should. Once they are being blocked they can't seem to get out of it. Eugene robinson the bronze safety fumbles barry sanders? Really since when... This game cheats just like madden but with less turnovers. Why you think most games are high scoring or close. The other day guy punted it to barney for a punt return and lem runs for the ball but is somehow looking behind him the whole time so it hits him in the back and the punt team recovers. This game is a joke and so is madden. I think the reason for the terrible defense is the ability system which is nice to have but they should also have a rating system on the side with speed catching etc etc.. This game is a better choice then madden because of gameplay but its also terrible in many ways and you can tell this game wasnt fully thought out. 2k should've kept the same momentum system or tweaked it a bit from 2k5. Also they should of kept the same turnover ratio. I can't even remember the amount of games i've lost to scrubs and cheesers because joey browner muffs 10 interceptions. Also dline adjustments would help stop the run. And whats up with maximum passing I played 2k5 and my passes were dead on even me leading receivers. If you lead a receiver in this game its off by 10 miles. Gimme a break. The defensive cbs play better but the out routes get abused. Gold corners dont even cover them. I dont know why 2k eliminated most of the good features or changed them dramatically. But this game was rushed and wasnt well thought out.

If its so bad then why are a lot of people having success?...It took me sometime to start winning at a 5 to 1 ratio...There are soo many things you have to do to beat the good players in this game...Like i said, play the good ballers and learn their techniques...

[GoodSense]

I havent played APF in about a week <sigh> and used to feel the same way on D until i figured some things out in practice mode.

1 was that I was getting my directions backwards in relation to the offense. for example.."Razor Right" is actually the defense's left. I felt like a bloody idiot when I realized that is what i have been doing wrong all along.


By the way..defense is madden is pretty absurd. I once played a guy who would play dime 3-2-6, and line his DT up as a rover, because he had a hammer icon underneath him and wanted to drill recievers. I just lined up in a jumbo formation and ran HB slams all game.


GREAT!
I said this when we were waiting for the game to come out.
While everybody jumped online, I stayed and practiced. Why?
For the reason you just mentioned. So much can be found through Practice Mode that most of my hours are spent there to learn my team and who I can depend on.

You also learn how the DL will attack after setting up a Razor Right after you shift your LB'ers.

[soleshark]

manual defense~ stop depending on the cpu , learn manual defense !!!!!!

[GhostRider]

Man...the defense in Madden is about 100 times worse than the offense....that is why I like 2k 'D'....you can really make a difference with a good play, or get burned by a mistake......