New Gameplay Rule: Illegal Substitions

[Tourney_Admin2]

4. Illegal Substitutions: Players will be allowed to make most substitutions. For instance, you are allowed to sub your ILB for your OLB. However, substituting players for completely different positions will be banned and may result in a disqualification. For example, we do not want to see Earl Campbell at QB or your right guard at safety. If you are not sure what is an illegal substitution, you can ask on the either the contact page (http://apf2k8tournament.2ksports.com/contact.html) or the forums.

[KeshATL]

Also no WR at TE

[Valdarez]

Can you just provide us a list here of illegal substitutions so we know not to do them? There can't be that many can there?

By the way, where are the rules listed (1-3?)?

[Chop Stick]

basically anything thats not realistic

so fb at te is cool? cuz the cowboys do that

[Valdarez]

I use a couple of plays where I put my HB in for my WR and move my FB to the HB position (so I can still run), or vice versa, FB in a WR position and leave HB in standard position. I'm definitely not a football expert guys, are those illegal subs?

[thePLAGUE]

Wow...Now am very confused...What abour WR at CB and vice versa...or FB at TE...oh and my party favorite: TE at FB......Please just ban all subs except the ILB - OLB thingy...I have 2 ILBS on my teams so I have no choice...I am very tempted to use some WRS at CB...

[Valdarez]

lol... try using a WR at CB, or a CB at WR position (CB's can't catch). The WR's have no catch up ability, they can't cover, sure, they can catch, but they won't be near enough to the ball to make it worth it.

FB's can cut and are good on short routes as is the HB and they make a better weapon than the default WR players out there. There's not enough TE/Fullback combinations to create mismatches like guys do online, so unless it's deemed illegal I don't see a problem with it. However, I would have selected another team if I am unable to sub a FB or a HB for a WR. I practiced a lot of plays and spent a lot of time with my team to create a passing game for a running team that's going to have a tough time passing.

[Gunner969]

I am very tempted to use some WRS at CB...

Try it by playing against the CPU, and see if it makes your team better. It won't.

IMO, the only sub that is unfair and should be banned is putting a RB as the QB. All other subs (TE as WR, HB as WR, etc.) are/should be legit. Weird subs, like OL as SS, make the team worst so who cares if someone does it.

[thePLAGUE]

Ok...dont worry about me...i know what am doing

[sleepyjay]

ok what other rules are illegal rules besides the no subbing wr's for corners ect

[hibachiii]

I have a Gold TE on my team and I put him in the slot when I go shotgun. I make sure all my weapon are on the field at all times. I don't think that's cheap at all. It's called smart coaching.

[Sdiddy]

Same here. My TE will be in a receiver slot when there's no TE's in the formation. Just common damn sense. The teams are already crap, gotta make the best of em. Besides, NFL teams line up TE's, when they have good ones, in the slot often. Anybody remember shannon sharpe? my tailback will be out there also(he has soft hands) why not?

[CWSpartan9]

Basically with your explanation TA, you are sayin it is ok to put a TE at wide receiver on Shotgun formations....Antonio Gates.....or put your TE at fb....Jim Kleinsasser, Frank Wycheck and many others......but, it is not ok to put ridiculous subs in? I need to know cuz I did some things with my TE on my team and I dont want to be disqualified. Also can I put a DE Elvin Bethea at OLB in my 43 defense...Ends line up at OLB all the time in real life. If you could please clear this up it would be great. Thanks.

[CWSpartan9]

4. Illegal Substitutions: Players will be allowed to make most substitutions. For instance, you are allowed to sub your ILB for your OLB. However, substituting players for completely different positions will be banned and may result in a disqualification. For example, we do not want to see Earl Campbell at QB or your right guard at safety. If you are not sure what is an illegal substitution, you can ask on the either the contact page (http://apf2k8tournament.2ksports.com/contact.html) or the forums.
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I guess I found it PLAYERS WILL BE ALLOWED TO MAKE MOST SUBSTITUTIONS....

[CWSpartan9]

I also, if you have Paul Hornung or Thurman Thomas, they are not as good as barry sanders, Earl Campbell or OJ simpson, but one advantage is they work well split out...probabbly about as well as a bronze receiver.

[J_Frank]

Te as wrs is cheese and I hope everyone who does this will get banned, as well as de for old or any other out of position should be banned, simple.


The computer AI (defense) does not recognize these subs and never covers these players.


Once again all of these substitutions should be banned, I hope they are and theres going to be a rude awakening for all of you damn cheesers

, peace

[budsclass201]

The computer AI (defense) does not recognize these subs and never covers these players.


Is this true? Anyone else confirm this?

[J_Frank]

Is this true? Anyone else confirm this?


With over 200+ games online I think I know a little what I'm talking about.

TE as Fbs is insane, all someone does is hot route them up the middle, boom open every time.

Te as a WR, run a sweep, no cb in the world is getting around that TE.

Rb is wr, no db in this game can cover him one on one, due to cutback abilities and agility.

I've seen it all, and while the certain teams in the NFL have "Some" plays, it's pure cheese to line up any non position player for the entirety of the game.


Imagine lining up Rice as a TE, no Lb in this game could ever think about covering him


, peace

[Clark Kent]

With over 200+ games online I think I know a little what I'm talking about.

TE as Fbs is insane, all someone does is hot route them up the middle, boom open every time.

Te as a WR, run a sweep, no cb in the world is getting around that TE.

Rb is wr, no db in this game can cover him one on one, due to cutback abilities and agility.

I've seen it all, and while the certain teams in the NFL have "Some" plays, it's pure cheese to line up any non position player for the entirety of the game.


Imagine lining up Rice as a TE, no Lb in this game could ever think about covering him


, peace

Stop running around crying because you can't play defense.

[CWSpartan9]

Exactly, the reason you cant cover the FB dive is because you have your D spread out trying to prevent the outside run. Your the kind of fool that calls cheese when you stack the line on short yardage and someone runs a screen. That is why football is a chess match moron. You cant always have every facet of an offense covered.

[TheBigBamboo]

I agree with Spartan.
You are a moron and should shut up..
200 games and you still don't know what you are talking about.
Idiots like you create problems in the gaming community. What you say is completely untrue you fool..

[Valdarez]

With over 200+ games online I think I know a little what I'm talking about.

TE as Fbs is insane, all someone does is hot route them up the middle, boom open every time.Can't you hot cover the guy by manually selecting a WR and assigning him to the TE?

Te as a WR, run a sweep, no cb in the world is getting around that TE.Can't you cheat an OLB over that way to hit the TE, or to go around?

Rb is wr, no db in this game can cover him one on one, due to cutback abilities and agility.That's just plain out wrong. I have Barry as a WR, and his cutting on routes is crap. I'm not sure what gives them the ability to run routes, but it's not agility, and whatever it is, Barry doesn't have it, and I doubt any HB, gold or otherwise, does have it.

With over 200 games online, a person would 'think' you would know what you were talking about, but that certainly doesn't appear to be the case. I only have 75 games under my belt, and I'm no football expert, but it seems that most of the items you listed could be handled with the proper adjustments, and at least one of the items you listed is pure fantasy on your part.

[tpaterniti]

Te as wrs is cheese and I hope everyone who does this will get banned, as well as de for old or any other out of position should be banned, simple.


The computer AI (defense) does not recognize these subs and never covers these players.


Once again all of these substitutions should be banned, I hope they are and theres going to be a rude awakening for all of you damn cheesers

, peace

Well riddle me this. Triple Bunch has in the bunch 2 WRs and a TE. If I go into my regular Bunch formation which would normally have 3 WRs in the bunch and sub in a TE so it is the same as the alignment in the default Triple Bunch formation with no subs (except that the formation has different plays and the left WR is tighter in Triple Bunch than in regular Bunch), why is this "cheese"? The allignment is exactly the same. Aslo be aware of formations like Ace Quads where the TEs are split wide AUTOMATICALLY (i..e without any substitutions). If you saw this you might think I subbed in a TE as a WR but it is an actual default formation. Base Doubles features a FB lined up at TE, again automatically, and there are no less than 8-10 empty sets that feature a HB split wide as a WR, as before automatically with no subs. As for TE at FB, look up Kings Spread in the Shotgun section. It features a TE in the backfield with your HB (like Split Pro but with a TE instead of a FB). As with all the others the TE is here by design without any substitutions. So 1.) I do not see how this is cheese in and of itself although I do see how people could abuse and exploit it the way they abuse and exploit other things that by the rem ipsam are legit, and 2.) Just make sure that the formation you are ****ed about is an actual case of substitution. There are probably close to 20-25 formations with unorthadox subs built in as described above so you may think someone has made a sub when they really haven't.

[anESPNfan]

FB at TE is realistic and sim

[tpaterniti]

That's just plain out wrong. I have Barry as a WR, and his cutting on routes is crap. I'm not sure what gives them the ability to run routes, but it's not agility, and whatever it is, Barry doesn't have it, and I doubt any HB, gold or otherwise, does have it.


I must agree with this. People try to run OJ and Thurman Thomas out of the backfield on deep routes all the time and it is pretty simple. If you cover them with someone fast they are about a good as Bronze WR/TE in coverage. If you don't cover them at all or cover them with someone who is slow (like a generic LB), then they will probably make a catch and burn you.

[BofaDeezNutts]

A RB at WR might not be an illegal sub. For instance if you have Empty H Flex the HB lines up as a WR. Also if you have Twins F Spread in your playbook the HB lines up out wide as a WR. So I wouldn't automatically call a RB at WR an illegal sub.


You are correct and that is the point I am trying to make. That if someone wants there TE or HB flanked out at the WR spot then they need to pick the appropriate formation to do so.
But, people are going to the substitution menu and subbing the TE @ WR and other crazy out of position SUBS.

Unfortunately nobody understands what I am saying.

Bottom line is that this game does not recognize these Subs. Because, when they do this, the screen that pops up after they pick there play that shows formation and shows 2RB, 1TE, 2WR or 1RB, 1TE, 3WR or whatever that person has picked does not show the true personnel that will be on the field.

You will say they do this is the NFL all the time. Well guess what in the real NFL the defense can see what players are on the field and choose there Defense accordingly. So, in fact this does not happen in the NFL because the game does not reflect these personnel moves.

p.s. This was meant for a different thread that got deleted while I was typing so, this seemed like the next best place to put it.

[wEEman33]

If they come out once with TEs subbed into WR spots, then there is a very good chance that they will have them subbed in at most if not all of their formations, so why would you continue to choose your defensive plays based off the formation screen?

[nflhitman]

With over 200+ games online I think I know a little what I'm talking about.

TE as Fbs is insane, all someone does is hot route them up the middle, boom open every time.

Te as a WR, run a sweep, no cb in the world is getting around that TE.

Rb is wr, no db in this game can cover him one on one, due to cutback abilities and agility.

I've seen it all, and while the certain teams in the NFL have "Some" plays, it's pure cheese to line up any non position player for the entirety of the game.


Imagine lining up Rice as a TE, no Lb in this game could ever think about covering him


, peace

I will use my WR at TE and MY ILB I will change to OLB and im even thinking of putting me DE Manley in at DT to stop runs up the middle since I got no DT but I have 2 DE. We are not going to play under your rules we will play and abide with what BUnit says. You cant expect us to play inside your little box of skill. Sorry but I will do what is needed and legal on my team and you can go cry when you lose because you dont know how to play Defense.

[nflhitman]

Maybe you should learn how to use defensive matchup screen. If you put your CB on rice it doesnt matter where he lines up at....You are just complaining because of your stupidity on Defense.

[BofaDeezNutts]

Maybe you should learn how to use defensive matchup screen. If you put your CB on rice it doesnt matter where he lines up at....You are just complaining because of your stupidity on Defense.

You need to learn how to play offense. Because, I played your online team and you have 3 star TE's on your roster and you sub them in at WR position. Sorry, but that is completely qay.