DL pass rush tips

[Kdrontle]

Okay so when you pass rush you usually charge your guy up, perform a move, and get to the QB. What happens when you perform that move and it doesn't get past the OL? Do you try to perform another move, or just keep tapping A or nothing at all?

Also, lets say you perform a move and you KIND OF get by him, but he still has a piece of you as you turn the corner (common occurrence). What do you do then? Try to perform another move? Mash A as fast as you can to break the grasp, or nothing at all? Advice would be wonderful as I do not for sure know the answers to these questions.

[ScottyP]

Careful, the sim nazis will call you a little girl for using a DL.

Swims, rips and spins. If one doesn't work, try another one or try it again. You're not going to get there every time obviously.

[ruffnuts21]

rushing with any d lineman in weak and shows u have zero skills playing defense. If you ever wanna be an elite player learn to play LB or DB.

[Kdrontle]

i'm ranked 60 online :)

I always play coverage, and thats how I get beat. I got Derrick Thomas on my team and I think his full potential is only tapped if I control and blitz sometimes. That means you giving an arrogant elitist remark to a kid who is better than you does no good. :(

[Champ003]

rushing with any d lineman in weak and shows u have zero skills playing defense. If you ever wanna be an elite player learn to play LB or DB.
Some how I knew I would find a crybaby post in here.

Don't let these guys' god complexes get to you, Kdrontle, play the game how you want to play it. It's a ****ing video game after all. Some people just don't understand that.

[Kdrontle]

Some how I knew I would find a crybaby post in here.

Don't let these guys god complexes get to you, Kdrontle, play the game how you want to play it. It's a ****ing video game after all. Some people just don't understand that.


I KNOW!!! I play coverage 90% of the time, I just wanted to know how to get off blocks better... is that breaking some unwritten code?! Apparently to some certain morons it is.

[Higgus]

rushing with any d lineman in weak and shows u have zero skills playing defense. If you ever wanna be an elite player learn to play LB or DB.

You must be a 2K5 vet... but 2K8 has a much improved DLine and Oline system. Nothing wrong with using DLine unless you're glitching.

And even the Dline glitch in 2K8 is not nearly as ridiculous as 2K5.

[NPYYZ]

Careful, the sim nazis will call you a little girl for using a DL.

Swims, rips and spins. If one doesn't work, try another one or try it again. You're not going to get there every time obviously.


I'm as sim as it gets and in this game there is NOTHING WRONG with using a Defensive Lineman as long as you DO NOT manually move him out of position. If you move him way out to the left or right, or move the DE into the middle it's pure cheese.

[Azn_Essence]

that's not cheese either
theres slide protection in this game, you can move players wherever you want
look at rex ryan, he had 5 guys on the left side with 0 on the right,
it's an overload and there's easy ways to beat it.

[Valdarez]

I mostly play a DL man. Why? Because when I control a LB, all I do is run by the guy with the ball! Or, I get stuck where I can only move sideways... at least as the DL, I don't take a man completely out of play on my defense.

I move a man to try to hit the seams after the ball has been hiked. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't. If I don't get through, if against one guy, I will try various moves to break free. If against 2 or more guys I will pull him out and look for the HB/FB safe pass (to the side or short), move there. If there is no HB/FB, then I try to angle around the defenders and go for the QB. That's my DL play in a nutshell. I'm not great at it, but it does keep some pressure on the QB.

[Kdrontle]

I mostly play a DL man. Why? Because when I control a LB, all I do is run by the guy with the ball! Or, I get stuck where I can only move sideways... at least as the DL, I don't take a man completely out of play on my defense.

I move a man to try to hit the seams after the ball has been hiked. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't. If I don't get through, if against one guy, I will try various moves to break free. If against 2 or more guys I will pull him out and look for the HB/FB safe pass (to the side or short), move there. If there is no HB/FB, then I try to angle around the defenders and go for the QB. That's my DL play in a nutshell. I'm not great at it, but it does keep some pressure on the QB.

Thank you for the constructive advice! How does this sound for a plan: When I rush with Derrick Thomas and if it fails, I immediately switch to DB coverage somewhere and make plays (preferably safeties in the middle of the field). If it succeeds the play will basically work in my favor as DT will be FLYING to the QB ready to annihilate him.

[Valdarez]

I'm not sure how you switch to the DB. I believe you can only change to the guy closest to the ball right?

[Kdrontle]

I'm not sure how you switch to the DB. I believe you can only change to the guy closest to the ball right?

No sir!!!!! You can totally hold B and switch to players all around the field! This means you would be capable of pass rushing then switching to coverage seamlessly to be effective on both ends if done quick!

[Higgus]

I'm not sure how you switch to the DB. I believe you can only change to the guy closest to the ball right?

Hold B (or circle on PS3) and use D-pad to switch players anywhere you want. This was added in 2K5. You need to use it!!!

[ruffnuts21]

Whatever people, i got dt glitched 3 times today so dont tell me that using the dline aint garbage. Having 2 rb's block and pass protect didnt work. I had .3 seconds to pass, not even enough to drop back. You wnna use the de and rush go ahead it's weak but go ahead. Like i said you'll never be an elite player using the d line, or calling man defense everytime. Let the a.i do ALL the work for you, i'll shredd it. I dont care what your precious ranking is, and i wasnt calling it "cheese", i called it weak, which it is.

[Valdarez]

Whatever people, i got dt glitched 3 times today so dont tell me that using the dline aint garbage. Having 2 rb's block and pass protect didnt work. I had .3 seconds to pass, not even enough to drop back. You wnna use the de and rush go ahead it's weak but go ahead. Like i said you'll never be an elite player using the d line, or calling man defense everytime. Let the a.i do ALL the work for you, i'll shredd it. I dont care what your precious ranking is, and i wasnt calling it "cheese", i called it weak, which it is.I'm not really sure who your response is towards there ruffnutz21, since you didn't quote anyone.

I will say there is nothing weak or wrong playing the D-Line. If players are moving them around to exploit something, then that might be weak, but I have yet to see it. I'm not saying you can't do it, just that I haven't seen it. I know that some guys will move them around to the left or right. If they do, then call pass protect right or left, as the case may be. I personally don't do that, except on a Hail Mary or late quarter pass when I only have 3 guys, and then there are usually 5 O-Linemen, so I don't think that could considered an overload. :)

[BofaDeezNutts]

I am pretty strict when it comes to cheese but, I have no problem with people controlling the D-line As long as they don't move them prior to the snap of the ball.

Also, it is kinda cheesy to drop your controlled lineman back into coverage when it is not the design of the play.

There is also a D-line glitch that I have seen a few users abuse!!! :thumbsdow

[Kdrontle]

Yeah... man I was just wondering how to use the moves more effectively when I blitzed and of course someone tries to start a mindless argument... oh the internet.

[Higgus]

Whatever people, i got dt glitched 3 times today so dont tell me that using the dline aint garbage. Having 2 rb's block and pass protect didnt work. I had .3 seconds to pass, not even enough to drop back. You wnna use the de and rush go ahead it's weak but go ahead. Like i said you'll never be an elite player using the d line, or calling man defense everytime. Let the a.i do ALL the work for you, i'll shredd it. I dont care what your precious ranking is, and i wasnt calling it "cheese", i called it weak, which it is.

What does you getting DLine glitched have to do with people using DLine honestly?

I've been horrendously DLine glitched a few times and never once have I complained about others who use it honestly.

Just like in 2K5 with QB running.. someone abusing Vick repeatedly is not the samething as someone running once with a QB because the pocket breaks down and no ones open.

[Valdarez]

Also, it is kinda cheesy to drop your controlled lineman back into coverage when it is not the design of the play.I would be careful on this one, there are a lot of designed plays that have a line man dropping back in coverage. If someone wants to drop it back in coverage, so be it. Good chance I'll be scrambling for 5 to 7 yards. ;)

[Higgus]

I would be careful on this one, there are a lot of designed plays that have a line man dropping back in coverage. If someone wants to drop it back in coverage, so be it. Good chance I'll be scrambling for 5 to 7 yards. ;)

right.. but like he said, as long as they dont move the DT "pre-snap" most people will be fine with it.

and omg if they move the DT back to pass coverage on 1st or 2nd down... lol, run up the middle, maybe?

[Valdarez]

If I see a HB or a FB move to the left or right for a dump pass, many times I will pull my D-Line man to go cover them. I'm not sure if it's realistic, but it sure seems smart.

[ScottyP]

If I see a HB or a FB move to the left or right for a dump pass, many times I will pull my D-Line man to go cover them. I'm not sure if it's realistic, but it sure seems smart.

DEs do this all the time in the NFL. I don't see a problem with it as long as it is done after the snap of the ball.

[Kintaro56]

Question for anyone:

If I position my DT in-between the Center and a Offensive Guard before the play, that is cheap?

[PLAYBOY8869]

Interesting, I once had 80+ sacks a season using one of my rookie DTs that I drafted in 2k5.

It works with Grady Jackson also.

[Kdrontle]

Question for anyone:

If I position my DT in-between the Center and a Offensive Guard before the play, that is cheap?

That is not cheap at all.... it is just playing a position on defense. Don't let someone come in here and tell you otherwise. No AI abuse goes on with simply just playing a position on the field.

[Kdrontle]

I find it funny that out of all 20-something replies I've gotten, only 2-3 give any honest advice or insight to the original question. I hope all you "cumpleetly sim bawlerzzz" realize you kind of have to use moves to get off blocks down field against run plays when you play DB and I thought It'd be nice to share some knowledge.

From what I've seen the rip and swim moves get off their blocks the fastest and get you in a solid position to make a play. The spin move has its place, but more in a rushing scenario. I've tried to use the spin in the open field with a DB on a blocker and yes, I can get off the block, but yes I am out of position and generally lose all my momentum.

[Valdarez]

I have yet to find anything that gets me off a block in time to make a play down field or when I become a player that is entangled in a block as the RB runs by me. If you have advice on that front, I'm all ears.

[Kdrontle]

I have yet to find anything that gets me off a block in time to make a play down field or when I become a player that is entangled in a block as the RB runs by me. If you have advice on that front, I'm all ears.

If it is the situation I'm imagining, the spin move has actually worked for me okay sometimes. If you get off the block your guy will spin and fly right into the area where the RB is, hopefully making contact with him.

[Kintaro56]

That is not cheap at all.... it is just playing a position on defense. Don't let someone come in here and tell you otherwise. No AI abuse goes on with simply just playing a position on the field.

Thank you for the response. I agree with you, I really don't care if someone finds it to be a glitch, I was just curious if that's the technique that nobody wants to outright mention.