SO TIRED OF THIS ********

[CmV]

Ok I just played a guy who had Dwight Clark (Bronze WR) and I had Night Train Lane and Night Train could not cover him? WTF. Same with John Taylor (Bronze WR) And Lem Barney. Yet I had 2 Silver WRs, Don maynard, and Herman Moore and I couldn't make passes when he had GENERIC CBs. This game is flawed some times.:bark:

[Valdarez]

Maybe he was calling different plays? Best advice.... use man to man coverage sparingly.

[AlexJones27]

Yup Man 2 Man will kill you. Alot of players use man 2 man because they don't know how to play defense. I can kill a cover 2. Out patterns, come backs, and inside slants. Also you can mess with his defense big time by using plays that go to one side of the field and the scramble your QB all the way to the other side and get huge yardage.

[pattofranco]

Yup Man 2 Man will kill you. Alot of players use man 2 man because they don't know how to play defense. I can kill a cover 2. Out patterns, come backs, and inside slants. Also you can mess with his defense big time by using plays that go to one side of the field and the scramble your QB all the way to the other side and get huge yardage.

This sounds like your messing with the computer's AI.:eek:

[pattofranco]

Ok I just played a guy who had Dwight Clark (Bronze WR) and I had Night Train Lane and Night Train could not cover him? WTF. Same with John Taylor (Bronze WR) And Lem Barney. Yet I had 2 Silver WRs, Don maynard, and Herman Moore and I couldn't make passes when he had GENERIC CBs. This game is flawed some times.:bark:

Maybe he was manually assigning double teams? Was he playing zone?

[pattofranco]

The moderator is going to shut this thread down because of the ..... incomplete subject line.

[AlexJones27]

This sounds like your messing with the computer's AI.:eek:


Has nothing to do with AI. Just your opponent's stupidity and refusing to adjust. Never use a conver 2 every play.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

I hate it when people think that just becuse they have a gold corner, that they will shut down that side of the field for them. If you don't know how to call plays, you are going to get burned. maybe I'll just play Dime against campbell next time and expect to stop him because I have butkus on my team.

[Njake.]

I hate it when people think that just becuse they have a gold corner, that they will shut down that side of the field for them. If you don't know how to call plays, you are going to get burned. maybe I'll just play Dime against campbell next time and expect to stop him because I have butkus on my team.


I agree. I have Willie Brown, and Ronnie Lott on one side of the field. They only are shut down when I call the right plays.

It certain formations and situations, you have to adjust your play calling or move your DBs at the LOS a certain way.

[alliance4g63]

Maybe he was calling different plays? Best advice.... use man to man coverage sparingly.

Yet I've had people call man 2 man and bump and run everyother play and shut down Jerry Rice with Terry McDaniel.

The game is flawed PERIOD and has no defense unless the CPU decides to play for you. Face it fella's.

[Njake.]

Yet I've had people call man 2 man and bump and run everyother play and shut down Jerry Rice with Terry McDaniel.

The game is flawed PERIOD and has no defense unless the CPU decides to play for you. Face it fella's.


Is there any video game that isn't flawed?

And I can't beleive that Terry Mcdaniel can shut down Jerry Rice.

Hell, I can't even shut down Jerry Rice when I have Willie Brown and Ronnie Lott.

[GoodSense]

Yes the game is flawed, but like NJake said what game isn't.

My problem with this comes mostly when the game seems to come up with a magic play to score. Think about todays NE blow out of the Skins 52-0 and suddenly scores to make it 52-7.... not that it made any difference. :lol:

Anyway, a generic player will bust loose and make plays like a gold player when everything is shutdown. No run game, no Mike Ditka or Jerry Rice....

Now if you go to your generic you don't get the same response.


Mostly this comes up when it is the 2nd quarter or near the end of the 4th and the team is scoreless and magic blocking happens downfield and magic breaking of tackles happen to give the cpu a chance to score. OR.... penalties.

By the way... I've caught on to the cpu no huddle.
All I can say is set up your audibles right and you won't give up a cheap TD in that manner.

That is the only thing right now that bothers me offline.
Cheap points.

2k9 - I can't wait for them to start providing information on upgrades and new features.
I hope this time they won't go the Top Secret Route with their game info.
Really... it isn't necessary.

[alliance4g63]

Is there any video game that isn't flawed?

And I can't beleive that Terry Mcdaniel can shut down Jerry Rice.

Hell, I can't even shut down Jerry Rice when I have Willie Brown and Ronnie Lott.


I'm not talking about other games,I'm talking about this one.

That is the problem. The games legends are just not consistent. I have switched up my team probably 100 times trying to find a balance that works for me. And the only people that I tend to have on my team consitently are Dan Marino,Ben Coates,Dan Maynard,Lem Barney and sometimes Metzelaars. Everyone else I have tried is just a wash. I don't see how you can even construct a valid gameplan when your guys are soo inconsistent,which is my biggest complaint about the game.

And yes Mcdaniel is usually horrible for me but the guy I played pressed Rice on most plays with Lott over the top and Mcdaniel was step for step with Rice on any outside routes.

Face it.. There are just times when this game will blatantly play in your favor. And you lose just because their generics played 100 times better than yours.

[Njake.]

I agree with that to a certain degree, alliance. There is sometimes not consistency in this game, but doesn't everyone have a bad game once in a while?

And sometimes there are moments where it seems like the game is playing in ones favor, but maybe it has to do with certain play calling, player skills and abilities, etc.

Or maybe it is luck. Everyone has to get lucky at one time or another.

And usually the game 'plays in your favor' around the same amount for each player.

[CmV]

Yup Man 2 Man will kill you. Alot of players use man 2 man because they don't know how to play defense. I can kill a cover 2. Out patterns, come backs, and inside slants. Also you can mess with his defense big time by using plays that go to one side of the field and the scramble your QB all the way to the other side and get huge yardage.
I wasnt talking about the plays I am calling I am trying to say that Lane can pretty much shut down silver WRs and Maynard (Because Hes a different class) most of the time on man. But he cannot shut down Dwight Clark and I used Clark and he didnt have one catch all game (He dropped all of them). I just played another game where a guy had 3 created Bronze WR with route god only and OUTRAN Barney and Mel Renfro on Streaks seriously WTF.

The moderator is going to shut this thread down because of the ..... incomplete subject line.
Lol there's moderators here? since when?

[alliance4g63]

I wasnt talking about the plays I am calling I am trying to say that Lane can pretty much shut down silver WRs and Maynard (Because Hes a different class) most of the time on man. But he cannot shut down Dwight Clark and I used Clark and he didnt have one catch all game (He dropped all of them). I just played another game where a guy had 3 created Bronze WR with route god only and OUTRAN Barney and Mel Renfro on Streaks seriously WTF.



My points exactly.

[alliance4g63]

I agree with that to a certain degree, alliance. There is sometimes not consistency in this game, but doesn't everyone have a bad game once in a while?

And sometimes there are moments where it seems like the game is playing in ones favor, but maybe it has to do with certain play calling, player skills and abilities, etc.

Or maybe it is luck. Everyone has to get lucky at one time or another.

And usually the game 'plays in your favor' around the same amount for each player.

After I watch more and more football this couldn't be more true. Players do have bad games and crazy shiz does happen,like a fumble on the kickoff return after a turnover that was ran for a TD by the defense. Sure that happens in real life.

But that is where the line needs to be drawn between life and videogame. Stuff you see like that is rare so dont make it happen every other game in the videogame. Sim videogames should try to mimick what is seen on sundays. 2k5 was close to this and with another year on the same path it would have been closer. 2k8 took lots of steps backwards,hopefully it took those to move forward..We shall see with 2k9.

[Azn_Essence]

My words exactly
2k8 took a huge step backwards.

[Valdarez]

My words exactly 2k8 took a huge step backwards.There's usually a reason guys play CB instead of WR, and that's usually because they don't have soft hands, meaning they are going to drop more than they catch. I don't see anything wrong with the number of dropped balls in the game. Heck, in the NFL, there are WR's that can't catch the ball when it's thrown right to them, their are open, and it hits them directly in the hands.... so why should CBs catch more passes?

[alliance4g63]

There's usually a reason guys play CB instead of WR, and that's usually because they don't have soft hands, meaning they are going to drop more than they catch. I don't see anything wrong with the number of dropped balls in the game. Heck, in the NFL, there are WR's that can't catch the ball when it's thrown right to them, their are open, and it hits them directly in the hands.... so why should CBs catch more passes?

But see when it comes to videogames they have to simulate that reciever that has alot of focus and will catch the rock in most situations when he is focused. To acomplish that 2k has the charge system as well as the manual user catch. Now when u have those two factored and also include the fact that the guy you are throwing to is considered a legend.. Dont u think he should catch a well thrown ball 95% of the time?

[Valdarez]

But see when it comes to videogames they have to simulate that reciever that has alot of focus and will catch the rock in most situations when he is focused. To acomplish that 2k has the charge system as well as the manual user catch. Now when u have those two factored and also include the fact that the guy you are throwing to is considered a legend.. Dont u think he should catch a well thrown ball 95% of the time?I'm not sure what receivers dropped catches ratios is, but 95% of the time seems high to me. If there are no defenders in the area, the ball is thrown perfectly, and the player takes control of the receiver, then sure 95% seems appropriate. However, if there is coverage, if he's about to take a big hit, if the ball is badly thrown, then no. There should be a lot of drops. The biggest problem with dropped passes is how people throw them. Too many players throw the ball too hard, resulting in passes that are either way ahead or far behind the receiver (typically behind). In addition, most players don't take over the receiver to make the catch. I always make the catch when I play (look at my replays and you'll see my receiver highlighted well before the ball ever gets there) and it allows me to move the receiver into positions and 'out catch' guys who don't take control of their DBs.

[BangEm Akrid]

B] Sim videogames should try to mimick what is seen on sundays.[/B] .

100% WRONG!

This is whats wrong with these video games. They mimic what they see on sundays. What you see on sundays or saturdays are what the television stations allows us too see thinking it will entertain us.

What these video game companies need to do is to LEARN the sport and apply what ever can be applicable and make the game. I believe APF2K8 is the most realistic football game out there bar none, even with its flaws.

[Tbonious Prime]

i think this game only has one flaw, and thats the lack of blitzes, and at times, i'm not even too sure about that, because there have been games where people have brought the heat on me

with that said, as far as defense goes, they dropped interceptions are only making up for the passes that are over and under thrown in real life by the QB, as someone said in another post, most of the passes on this game are going to touch someones hands, a lot of people would be ****ed if there were a lot of underthrown and overthrown passes every game

now, i know that a lot of people are going to say they throw great passes, all the time even with bronze QBs, but in real life, even good/great QBs throw bad passes, and in this game, the dropped INTs by defenders

p.s. - everyone needs to stop acting like they are unbeatable, and that the only time they lose is when the game screws them over, and all of a sudden its a flawed game, you win some and you lose some

[brownster14]

i think this game only has one flaw, and thats the lack of blitzes, and at times, i'm not even too sure about that, because there have been games where people have brought the heat on me

with that said, as far as defense goes, they dropped interceptions are only making up for the passes that are over and under thrown in real life by the QB, as someone said in another post, most of the passes on this game are going to touch someones hands, a lot of people would be ****ed if there were a lot of underthrown and overthrown passes every game

now, i know that a lot of people are going to say they throw great passes, all the time even with bronze QBs, but in real life, even good/great QBs throw bad passes, and in this game, the dropped INTs by defenders

p.s. - everyone needs to stop acting like they are unbeatable, and that the only time they lose is when the game screws them over, and all of a sudden its a flawed game, you win some and you lose some

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[SouthShallRise]

dwight clark has the CLUTCH ability...that's all you need to know...he makes plays when it counts

[Macpressure]

I play a lot of Man to Man press coverage with success. You just have to be willing to adjust periodically. Pressuredee

[Tbonious Prime]

I play a lot of Man to Man press coverage with success. You just have to be willing to adjust periodically. Pressuredee


i play man to man, pretty much all game, and i do pretty well, i admit when i play the upper echelon of players that i have a hard time defending, but thats the way it should be

[CmV]

Can someone please tell me a good play to stop a receiver that is thrown to short over the middle?

[Azn_Essence]

There's usually a reason guys play CB instead of WR, and that's usually because they don't have soft hands, meaning they are going to drop more than they catch. I don't see anything wrong with the number of dropped balls in the game. Heck, in the NFL, there are WR's that can't catch the ball when it's thrown right to them, their are open, and it hits them directly in the hands.... so why should CBs catch more passes?

I played a game with 17 pass defended. At least 8 of them were sure dropped INTs.
3-4 of those could've been easily been 6 points the other way. Final stats = 0 ints.

Sorry but no NFL team drops so many easy turnovers like this game. Defense wins when they force a turnover. If this game does not allow turnovers, it's saying DEFENSE can NEVER win. Basically what 99% of complaints to this game is that.
(before you say it, yes I MANUALLY controlled those defenders)

[Valdarez]

I played a game with 17 pass defended. At least 8 of them were sure dropped INTs.
3-4 of those could've been easily been 6 points the other way. Final stats = 0 ints.

Sorry but no NFL team drops so many easy turnovers like this game. Defense wins when they force a turnover. If this game does not allow turnovers, it's saying DEFENSE can NEVER win. Basically what 99% of complaints to this game is that.
(before you say it, yes I MANUALLY controlled those defenders)I have had 15 PDs in a game before with 0 INTs, but that is the exception, and not the norm. Typically, when it hits the guys 'right in the hands' and he fails to intercept the ball, there is a lot of traffic or the WR is right there as well and there is some contention for the ball. It's not like the CB is there alone on an island and the ball hits him right in the numbers.

[budsclass201]

Can someone please tell me a good play to stop a receiver that is thrown to short over the middle?

I use 4-3 2 soft coverage and seems to defend the short to medium passes over the middle with a couple coverage LBs.

[bangpow]

I don't know what game you guys are playing, but whenever I play somebody, it's a defensive slug fest. Maybe it's because the guys I play know how to play defense or something, but I don't have a problem with the defense in this game too much.

Also, when I play the CPU we have some solid games as well. I've shut out the CPU a couple times and have had problems scoring against it as well.