Sim is Dead.

[Rhode Island]

It was dead out the packaging.

Dont give me TEs who run 4.2 40s.

Dont give me Randy Moss when I got Raymond Berry.

Dont give me RBs poised for 3,000 yard seasons(after first hit).

Dont give me QBs who play better in the 4th quarter give me a user who plays better in the 4th quarter.

Dont give me the option to start 11 Hall of Fame canidates on one side of the ball.

Dont give me guys on defense who can litterally view your entire play.

Dont give me DBs who are not allowed to intercept lobs thrown at them because they are not in a high enough tier to posess that great power.

Dont give me LBs who dont realize that the RBs have escaped to the flats again in man 2 man coverage.

So dont give me a ****ty O-line who which I got to decide where they will be my achillies heel the run, pass or both and tell me to stay in the pocket to throw the ball so your yesterdays Sapp, Freeney, Taylor and Strahan in their prime can have there way with me.


This is not aimed at you...but you did make me think about it.

[Rhode Island]

And dont tell me the Patriots are wrong for running up the score because at the rate of YOUR respect for the game coaching. When it comes time to play a 60 minute meaningfull football game they cant because they are fatigued from only being use to playing 3 quarters of it.

[Numbski]

...says the man with OJ and Rice. Whatever man. :\

You remind me of the guys that used the Patriots all the time in 2K5, and used the Raiders or Phins in 2K4, talked about skill and sim, and had no real idea of which is which.

[Gunner969]

I wish sim police was dead. Everyone thinks their own game play is sim.... give me a break.

[Numbski]

RB-OJ
WR-Rice

QB-Cunnigham
TE-Coates
WR-Maynard

WR-Ishmail

Tell me you can't already envision how that game goes out of the gate.

[SouthShallRise]

the only thing i'm sick of in this game is people manually moving players all over the field...it's so irritating

[brownster14]

the only thing i'm sick of in this game is people manually moving players all over the field...it's so irritating

in what way????

[ElGreazy78]

the only thing i'm sick of in this game is people manually moving players all over the field...it's so irritating
Well, I can tell you this is one thing I'm quite guilty of. I don't run a high powered offense, in fact, it's very conservative and I rely on a lot of formation shifts to trick the defense into not knowing what play is coming from said formation. I generally run every play in my playbook out of one or two formations with constant shifts, some hot routes, audibles, etc

I've gotten negative feedback from this and I don't understand why. You look at teams like the Colts and Manning does this all the time. Every team in the NFL puts their best players in motion either as a way to get them the ball in an exotic way or just as a decoy to free up the rest of the field. This is what I do. I'll slide my TE to the slot, slide my RB out to the opposite end as the other slot, and run a counter with my FB. I might gain 1 yard, I might break it for an untouched TD, but the thing is, I'm constantly testing to see where you're committing to. In the same token, I'll run the exact same play except it'll be a play-action FB pass, do the exact same shifts, and throw a quick out to a generic WR. Everybody is fair game in my offense, and even the generics contribute. The key of my offense is to never let you know if it'll be a pass or a run or if I'm going deep, over, out, inside, up the middle, etc and I would think this is sound coaching and gameplanning on any level of football.

[BofaDeezNutts]

RB-OJ
WR-Rice

QB-Cunnigham
TE-Coates
WR-Maynard

WR-Ishmail

Tell me you can't already envision how that game goes out of the gate.


Numbski,
Been there done that and it was a miserable experience. If your vision is a QB sprinting to the sidelines or straight back throwing 70 yard lobs off cunninghams' back foot 95% of the time. Then your vision is right. After my game against Andre1, I had to pull my game out of the console and make sure that I did not accidently put madden in there.

[Numbski]

Yeah, I may line up a WR at TE for an extra run blocker from time to time, but that's some very mild cheddar if cheese at all. That lineup wreaks of some serious limburger.

[minergp]

There is no sim. there is only people you like to play against and people you dont like to play against. Ask Joe Gibbs if he likes playing against Bilacheck...i have a feeling he'll say he'd rather not. Ask Tom Brady if he knows what sim or cheese is. He'll just give you a funny look and say i play to win the game. I heard on sirious radio NFL channel today someone said they dont play for sportsmanship...I had to laugh. i thought you were trained from an early age that thats what it was all about...silly me. i guess you just emmbarrass your oponant when you can witch is kind of what it was like during my 2k5 days and they were called cheesers...I guess the Pats are cheesers!

[BofaDeezNutts]

There are a couple words called "respect" and "class". The patriots have proven on numerous occasions the past couple years that they have neither of these.

[SouthShallRise]

in what way????

moving defensive ends way into the backfield, moving safeties all over the place, etc...lately another thing that''s popping up on PS3 is people playing McDaniel at strong safety...i know this has always been an issue on 360 but it's creeping in now....that's no big deal i guess...i'd rather deal with that than the crazy manual movement.

[ElGreazy78]

moving defensive ends way into the backfield, moving safeties all over the place, etc...lately another thing that''s popping up on PS3 is people playing McDaniel at strong safety...i know this has always been an issue on 360 but it's creeping in now....that's no big deal i guess...i'd rather deal with that than the crazy manual movement.
Oh, I got ya. I've seen people manually move their defensive players as well, but in all honesty, a lot of times they move them into a position that's not to beneficial. The best way to counter-act this is to run the play directly at that manual shift because generally, the CPU AI will force the player to do his pre-play assignment and he'll muff it up if anything comes his way.

[minergp]

There are a couple words called "respect" and "class". The patriots have proven on numerous occasions the past couple years that they have neither of these.
i agree...but i guess when you're that good you dont need to be classy or show respect because some over testosteroned washed up ex-football player will just tell you to stop wining and play defence.

[minergp]

between the Pats and the Colts NFL has become almost unwatchable...they preach parody, i dont see it. I see the Colts and the Pats and everyone else is a scrub team. The superbowl will be played next monday night and then again most likely in the AFC title game. the accual superbowl will be a blowout for the AFC.

[madsqgrdn]

Well, I can tell you this is one thing I'm quite guilty of. I don't run a high powered offense, in fact, it's very conservative and I rely on a lot of formation shifts to trick the defense into not knowing what play is coming from said formation. I generally run every play in my playbook out of one or two formations with constant shifts, some hot routes, audibles, etc

I've gotten negative feedback from this and I don't understand why. You look at teams like the Colts and Manning does this all the time. Every team in the NFL puts their best players in motion either as a way to get them the ball in an exotic way or just as a decoy to free up the rest of the field. This is what I do. I'll slide my TE to the slot, slide my RB out to the opposite end as the other slot, and run a counter with my FB. I might gain 1 yard, I might break it for an untouched TD, but the thing is, I'm constantly testing to see where you're committing to. In the same token, I'll run the exact same play except it'll be a play-action FB pass, do the exact same shifts, and throw a quick out to a generic WR. Everybody is fair game in my offense, and even the generics contribute. The key of my offense is to never let you know if it'll be a pass or a run or if I'm going deep, over, out, inside, up the middle, etc and I would think this is sound coaching and gameplanning on any level of football.


Hey Greazy weve played a couple of times so I know your straight up and not an abuser of any sort..but in terms of the formations ..some guy did it to me every play and I noticed it does get your man to man defenders out of position presnap occasionally...I wouldnt give bad feedback for it you adjust and move on...but its is a small glitch that the defenders arent staying with there men presnap. Its very subtle and I only noticed because he did it on every play.

[Rhode Island]

Numbski,
Been there done that and it was a miserable experience. If your vision is a QB sprinting to the sidelines or straight back throwing 70 yard lobs off cunninghams' back foot 95% of the time. Then your vision is right. After my game against Andre1, I had to pull my game out of the console and make sure that I did not accidently put madden in there.


Was it miserable because you lost 31-28.

Why use Randall if you aint gonna scramble, I dont even run for yards with him I just roll out with him.

If the game up front gives you a ****ty line should I stay in my ****ty pocket so one of your legends can do his numbers.

I got a 95% rating and its funny you have the same.

Your excuse for losing is your playing style isnt like mine.

[BangEm Akrid]

the only thing i'm sick of in this game is people manually moving players all over the field...it's so irritating
Which according to FOOTBALL rules is.....................





LEGAL

[minergp]

moving defensive ends way into the backfield, moving safeties all over the place, etc...lately another thing that''s popping up on PS3 is people playing McDaniel at strong safety...i know this has always been an issue on 360 but it's creeping in now....that's no big deal i guess...i'd rather deal with that than the crazy manual movement.
if someone moves their d-ends off the line of scrimige why wouldnt you run against that? wouldnt that be an advantage to a good running game?

[Rhode Island]

RB-OJ
WR-Rice

QB-Cunnigham
TE-Coates
WR-Maynard

WR-Ishmail

Tell me you can't already envision how that game goes out of the gate.



That should mean you should easily score on my under manned defense right?

Why give the option of picking Legends when the next complaint is you got to many on one side of the ball. Unsim.

[BofaDeezNutts]

Was it miserable because you lost 31-28.

Why use Randall if you aint gonna scramble, I dont even run for yards with him I just roll out with him.

If the game up front gives you a ****ty line should I stay in my ****ty pocket so one of your legends can do his numbers.

I got a 95% rating and its funny you have the same.

Your excuse for losing is your playing style isnt like mine.


I don't make excuses for losing. I just call it how I see it. Throwing 80 yard lobs off your back foot is a glitch.

[BofaDeezNutts]

That should mean you should easily score on my under manned defense right?

Why give the option of picking Legends when the next complaint is you got to many on one side of the ball. Unsim.


I believe he is talking about the legends you have on your team. Rice and Simpson together on one team can make even a horrible player competitive.

[Njake.]

I believe he is talking about the legends you have on your team. Rice and Simpson together on one team can make even a horrible player competitive.


I usually agree with you bofa, but what the hell are you talking about?

Each player, as you already know, gets the same amount of golds, silvers, and bronze players on their team. If they have 2 golds on offense, generally their defense isn't great. You can then exploit different things on their defense.

Stopping the run is never a problem for me, so OJ doesn't mean anything to me. Jerry is near impossible to even contain, even when you have Willie Brown and Ronnie Lott on him. But he is only unstoppable when someone REALLY knows how to use him. But even then, Jerry is still just 1 player, he isn't going to have 20 catches a game.

[kod68]

I hate Ditka & Campbell, but I'll play against them without crying about having to do it. A game I played the other day, the guy had both of them. I still won.
If I win, it doesn't matter who they had, if I lose, it doesn't matter who they had.

[BofaDeezNutts]

I usually agree with you bofa, but what the hell are you talking about?

Each player, as you already know, gets the same amount of golds, silvers, and bronze players on their team. If they have 2 golds on offense, generally their defense isn't great. You can then exploit different things on their defense.

Stopping the run is never a problem for me, so OJ doesn't mean anything to me. Jerry is near impossible to even contain, even when you have Willie Brown and Ronnie Lott on him. But he is only unstoppable when someone REALLY knows how to use him. But even then, Jerry is still just 1 player, he isn't going to have 20 catches a game.


I have no problem with having 2 gold payers on offense. At the moment I do myself.

But, What I am talking about is the 2 gold players he has "RICE" and "SIMPSON".

You have to admit that even a mediocre player could do well with both of these players on there team.

This guys main form of passing was to sprint around the backfield with Cunningham to by an exra 3 to 4 seconds to allow Rice to get open. Throwing 80 yard lobs off his back foot with cunningham (glitch).

I wont even mention the routes he uses with Rice and Maynard over and over again. I am sure you could figure it out yourself (Route God). Then if you actually cover Rice or Maynard deep down the field he will pass to Simpson in the flat.

Is it Cheese....no.....except for the 80 yard lobs he throws off his back foot while cunningham is sprinting backwards. This royally screws with the DB A.I.
As if it weren't bad enough. But, is definitely very lame.

[Njake.]

You are right, the way he plays with them is ridiculous and cheesey. But it is SO easy to shut down someone with RICE and SIMPSON if they don't know how to use them... Or abuse them.

[BofaDeezNutts]

You are right, the way he plays with them is ridiculous and cheesey. But it is SO easy to shut down someone with RICE and SIMPSON if they don't know how to use them... Or abuse them.

Abuse is the key word.

But, anyways His playing style is just way to Maddenesk for me. I still rated the guy positive and was never going to say anything until he came in the lobby the other day talking trash to me.


I think I have mentioned to you that Favre is my Favorite QB of all time.

It was great to see him throw 2 TD's against 2 of the better DB's in the NFL last night.

It is looking good for your packers....I was impressed.

[Reed#20]

I have no problem with having 2 gold payers on offense. At the moment I do myself.

But, What I am talking about is the 2 gold players he has "RICE" and "SIMPSON".

You have to admit that even a mediocre player could do well with both of these players on there team.

This guys main form of passing was to sprint around the backfield with Cunningham to by an exra 3 to 4 seconds to allow Rice to get open. Throwing 80 yard lobs off his back foot with cunningham (glitch).

I wont even mention the routes he uses with Rice and Maynard over and over again. I am sure you could figure it out yourself (Route God). Then if you actually cover Rice or Maynard deep down the field he will pass to Simpson in the flat.

Is it Cheese....no.....except for the 80 yard lobs he throws off his back foot while cunningham is sprinting backwards. This royally screws with the DB A.I.
As if it weren't bad enough. But, is definitely very lame.

See this is exactly why I don't understand why VC didn't create a better blitzing model for this game. I don't know if we played the same guy, but the guy I played had Cunningham at QB and he had Rice on one side, Lofton on the other, Maynard in the slot and Okoye at HB. He always ran spread so I'm think damn this is going to be a crazy ***** game.

My defense, Willie Brown, Lem Barney at CB. Leroy Butler and Eugene Robinson at the Safety spots. Singletary in the middle along with Brown and Hampton up front. Man it was a good game for the first quarter and most of the 2nd. I was like man I'm up 10-3 and we are about to go to the half. Then here it comes. Out of nowhere. Last play before the half. He started running back and lobbed to Rice off his back foot. I was in Prevent 3 man off and Rice was a good 10 yards behind Brown and Robinson (flipping 89yd TD pass). I was like WTF? I cheated over to Lofton and Maynard because that's the side he had been hitting most of the first half. But I left Brown and Robinson to deal with Rice. Hell I would think they should be able to. Hell 10 yards behind both of them and instead of going into the half 10-3. It is now a damn tie game. I was steaming.

So I'm like man I'm ****ed at that BS but it's ok, we still got the upper hand, this fool has all this offensive fire power and he only got 10 pts in one half. Man was I wrong. He found something and he kept doing exactly like you said. Drop back and lob off his back foot. I don't know what it is the DB's come off the WR or something. Anyways every play he ran in the 2nd half he did that mess. I go over to help defend Rice and he'd just do it to the other side to Lofton or down the middle to Maynard. It was a scorefest from then on out. He ended up winning because I went for 2 at the end of the game to try to win instead of going into overtime having to deal with that mess. I didn't care about the loss, I was glad that damn game was over with.

The thing is I don't blame him for those stupid antics. VC's design decisions should be questioned in this regard.

[ToyDingo]

I believe he is talking about the legends you have on your team. Rice and Simpson together on one team can make even a horrible player competitive.

I'm sick of this argument. You are saying that if I am a "good" player then I should not use Rice/Berry/OJ because they'll make me unstoppable? I don't understand that.

I personally prefer an air attack offense. I use Rice, Berry, Maynard, Metz, and Cunningham. Does that automatically make me cheese? Am I going to be throwing bombs all game long to Rice?

Stop stereotyping and play the game. Not everyone is a horrible opponent...

[Reed#20]

I'm sick of this argument. You are saying that if I am a "good" player then I should not use Rice/Berry/OJ because they'll make me unstoppable? I don't understand that.

I personally prefer an air attack offense. I use Rice, Berry, Maynard, Metz, and Cunningham. Does that automatically make me cheese? Am I going to be throwing bombs all game long to Rice?

Stop stereotyping and play the game. Not everyone is a horrible opponent...


I don't think that's what he is saying at all. If anything it implies having them on your team makes you that much better and tougher to deal with because you know what the hell you are doing. But the gist of his point is a BUM can hang with anyone when he has those players on his team because of the way the game favors those players.

[Njake.]

Abuse is the key word.

But, anyways His playing style is just way to Maddenesk for me. I still rated the guy positive and was never going to say anything until he came in the lobby the other day talking trash to me.


I think I have mentioned to you that Favre is my Favorite QB of all time.

It was great to see him throw 2 TD's against 2 of the better DB's in the NFL last night.

It is looking good for your packers....I was impressed.

It just goes to show Cliff Branch can beat Willie Brown on a seem route if James Jones can beat Champ Bailey. :P

Everyone is saying that the Packers aren't good. They rely too much on Favre, they have no running game. Your Point? Brett Favre is the greatest QB of all-time imo. GB will go far with, or without a solid running game.

But I liked what I saw with Brian Grant. It seems like he is a good power runner.

[BofaDeezNutts]

Reed #20,
I am glad you see where I am coming from. Throwing the lobs off the QB's back foot definitely screws with the DB A.I.

Although I don't neccesarily blame VC. But, I blame the people that abuse these type of A.I. weaknesses.

I could go out and do it if I wanted but, to me abusing the A.I. weakness is not fun for me. I do not enjoy winning a game that I had to cheat to win.


ToyDingo,
Having Rice and Simpson on 1 team (2 of the more overpowered players in the game) can make even a mediocre player competitive. But, that is neither here nor there. I don't really care what legends people put on there team. I am not saying that you are horrible if you use these players.

But, my point is 15+ passes thrown to Rice and 5-10 passes to O.J. in the flat during 1 game is pretty lame. Then add throwing lobs off your back foot with cunningham and you got the ingredients to make a tasty Cheese Cake.

[brownster14]

i like (sarcastic) the guy who subs O.J. at TE or WR when they run spread out offense just to utilize all those tackles to hurry down the field for any reason. lol, the funny thing is i knew what he was doing so i did a "box and 1", for u basketball guys, on O.J..
can u imagine Maynard, Metz, Lofton going deep w/ Cunningham throwing all day and O.J. in the flats all day?...
:rolleyes: fun game :rolleyes:

[Rhode Island]

I have no problem with having 2 gold payers on offense. At the moment I do myself.

But, What I am talking about is the 2 gold players he has "RICE" and "SIMPSON".

You have to admit that even a mediocre player could do well with both of these players on there team.

This guys main form of passing was to sprint around the backfield with Cunningham to by an exra 3 to 4 seconds to allow Rice to get open. Throwing 80 yard lobs off his back foot with cunningham (glitch).

I wont even mention the routes he uses with Rice and Maynard over and over again. I am sure you could figure it out yourself (Route God). Then if you actually cover Rice or Maynard deep down the field he will pass to Simpson in the flat.

Is it Cheese....no.....except for the 80 yard lobs he throws off his back foot while cunningham is sprinting backwards. This royally screws with the DB A.I.
As if it weren't bad enough. But, is definitely very lame.




Ive played roughly 200 games and if you can find anyone who'll say I throw RB flat passes Ill never play this game again. We played a month ago and you recall the entire game with all my "cheese" but gave me POSITIVE feedback. You are now simply making this up due to lack of memory.

I rank 37 in rushing for you to say thats my game lobbing balls up to Rice thats bull cuz I always look to obvious mismatches with Rice and Maynard being covered I go to Coates and Ismail a whole lot not to mention I do atleast 150 on the ground.

[Rhode Island]

Ill take OJ and Rice off my team and will still produce the same result, because Ill still add O legends because Im talented enough to win with 5 bronze D legends.

I had to many offensive legends you just couldnt cover or stop everybody.

I had 5 bronze D you mean the great Boffa couldnt score at will on them.

100 people beat me whats the odds they are ranked poorer than your 12, how did they stop me and you cant, simple your team aint built to deal with such an offense.

yesterday I played a dude ranked in the 100s and I was using 11 Def legends I lost 7-3 we had a chance to win inside 2 min and couldnt convert 4th down. Am I CHEESE FOR TO MANY GOOD DEFENSIVE GUYS.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^
I have never once said I was great or unbeatable. I have lost 94 games. So, evidently I am far from unbeatable.

The bottom line is that playing you felt like I was playing a Madden game because every single pass you made was from a sprint to the sideline with cunningham and let it fly on the run or a lob bomb off your back foot.

Yes I do remember our game from a month ago.

As a matter of fact I believe I threw an int when I was about to go up by 2 scores and instead you went on to go up by a FG and I had very little time left to go down and score and I choked and did not score.

[Someone]

the question I have to ask you is how many point a game do people score against you? .

[Rhode Island]

the question I have to ask you is how many point a game do people score against you? .



Only way I know how to rate my defense is to go through player card it was 275 last I check. my passing was 450 and ruching 37

[madsqgrdn]

Ill take OJ and Rice off my team and will still produce the same result, because Ill still add O legends because Im talented enough to win with 5 bronze D legends.

I had to many offensive legends you just couldnt cover or stop everybody.

I had 5 bronze D you mean the great Boffa couldnt score at will on them.

100 people beat me whats the odds they are ranked poorer than your 12, how did they stop me and you cant, simple your team aint built to deal with such an offense.

yesterday I played a dude ranked in the 100s and I was using 11 Def legends I lost 7-3 we had a chance to win inside 2 min and couldnt convert 4th down. Am I CHEESE FOR TO MANY GOOD DEFENSIVE GUYS.

Wow relax sounds like you have some sort of an inferiority complex with "the great Boffa"....and I dont think you should use the word "talented" in conjunction with any video game let alone this one. I don't think anyone is calling you a cheese player dude..what their saying is that my 8 year old nephew could take your team and win a lot of games..thats all.
It's pretty clear what your "talented adjustments" are...people defend run throw cunningham to Rice super easy...people defend pass run OJ super easy...You think youre the belichek of all pro and the first on to think of this...congratualtions...you were probably the guy in tecmo bowl who chose the raiders and did a sack dance everytime you scored with Bo Jackson.

[madsqgrdn]

11 defensive legends is kind of cool

[madsqgrdn]

R I P Chad Pennington

[BofaDeezNutts]

R I P Chad Pennington


Skins vs. Jets next week....what are your predictions?

I really don't know what to expect because, I have not watched the jets all year and I never know what to expect from the skins.

Are you the Jets fan I played on-line the other day?

[Rhode Island]

Wow relax sounds like you have some sort of an inferiority complex with "the great Boffa"....and I dont think you should use the word "talented" in conjunction with any video game let alone this one. I don't think anyone is calling you a cheese player dude..what their saying is that my 8 year old nephew could take your team and win a lot of games..thats all.
It's pretty clear what your "talented adjustments" are...people defend run throw cunningham to Rice super easy...people defend pass run OJ super easy...You think youre the belichek of all pro and the first on to think of this...congratualtions...you were probably the guy in tecmo bowl who chose the raiders and did a sack dance everytime you scored with Bo Jackson.



LOL no doubt its far from serious I played him a month ago and asked for a rematch a month later. Arguing is something Im doing to pass time at work.


I get it now Im using the Pats which is unfair to those who dont get to select 2gold 3 silver 6 bronze.


CHALLENGE create my team for me and ill use them to show where I really stand in this game

[ElGreazy78]

Hey Greazy weve played a couple of times so I know your straight up and not an abuser of any sort..but in terms of the formations ..some guy did it to me every play and I noticed it does get your man to man defenders out of position presnap occasionally...I wouldnt give bad feedback for it you adjust and move on...but its is a small glitch that the defenders arent staying with there men presnap. Its very subtle and I only noticed because he did it on every play.
Oh, I didn't know that. Well, I guess I'll cut back on it a little. Most times though, the guys play me in a zone (which I figure out by the fact that nobody follows all my formation shifts).

[Valdarez]

Skins vs. Jets next week....what are your predictions?

I really don't know what to expect because, I have not watched the jets all year and I never know what to expect from the skins.

Are you the Jets fan I played on-line the other day?I think offensively it's going to be a pretty much tied game. If Washington's defense shows up, unlike last week (but who shows up against the Pats?) then Washington has the edge. If they play like last week... Jets win. I think it's going to be close either way.

[NeRD]

Ok I'm tired of seeing it, its Ismail. Not Ishmail. GOD!

[Rhode Island]

Ok I'm tired of seeing it, its Ismail. Not Ishmail. GOD!



ROFLMAO!


Ismail my best kept secret, 27 TD returns in about 70 games