blocking dexter manley

[twosilk]

how do you stop someone who knows how to use him manually??? played two games against manley users last night and gave up 13 sacks not screaming cheese, just this one player, just destroyed my game that spin move is lethal. and cant no body block him how do you game plan for him

[tyrell2110]

what level and attributes does he have

[BrandH]

Slide protect to his side.

[ElGreazy78]

Run at him.

[BrandH]

One thing I have also noticed is there almost always a way to step up in the pocket and buy more time. The problem is most people pay no attention to the rush until it is too late. There usually a way to step up, go left or right in the pocket and buy time on every play. Also try using the right stick to duck and spin out of they way. It works very well.

[ToyDingo]

What I've noticed about QB's in this game is that if you time your plays correctly, you will never get sacked. For instance, if a play calls for a three step drop, your line will usually protect you 100% for those three steps. If you throw the ball as soon as you make that step you won't be sacked, your WR will have made that crucial cut to get maximum space from the CB, and you will have optimum rooom to make the pass.

Timing is everything in the passing game...

[tpaterniti]

Leave a TE to block and shift protection towards him. Or don't play Valdarez. :D

[4SteelersFanatic20]

There's not much you can do except leave the TE and/or Both RB's. But manually blitzing with manley is so cheap because of his swim move you can get in very easily.

[hibachiii]

Run some screens to his side.

[BofaDeezNutts]

If you are playing someone that is having alot of success manual blitzing with Manley.

I can gaurantee you that he is using the D-line glitch.

There is a way to stop it....but, that does not change the fact that it is a glitch.

If you want to know how to stop it ask GT:TheBigBamboo how to stop since he is real good at using this glitch.

p.s. TheBigBamboo I was never going to come on these forums and say anything about you using a glitch. But, since you decided to try and come on here in the other thread and attack me. I will air all your dirty laundry.

[twosilk]

tried the slide protect but even then the guard just watched him destroy the tackle, actually stepping up hurts because it seems like he blows up the whole blocking scheme, tried using the tight end, slowed him down but did not really ever block him, did not try the running back not sure how to do this, screen dont appear to be a viable option because there was press coverage on the outside but thanks for all the help, not sure if it is a glitch but 6 sacks by a bronze def end was a little fishy, and will getting a legend olineman really help this because it seemed that spin move when used correctly would be almost unblockable

[4SteelersFanatic20]

you can either use max protection to keep the backs in to block or assign each one individually, you click down the right thumbstick then press LB or RB. The legend O-line doesn't play very well IMO

[twosilk]

i like to run a spread offense (no te) and one guy was playing a dime 3-2 defense and dexter had seven sacks and i can say that he was not glitching at least to me he was just really good at charging and spinning had to go to three step drops which really takes away my playbook

[Azn_Essence]

are you kidding me?

The oline plays like god vs an all out blitz
yet they cannot stop a simple DE loop. I love VC's logic.

[badasp83]

I took Manley off my team cause he encroaches WAY too often. I like to use Martin (Sack Master, Pass rush, sumthin else I forget) & Simmons.

[budsclass201]

i can say that he was not glitching at least to me he was just really good at charging and spinning had to go to three step drops which really takes away my playbook

Yes, it's insanely easy with Dexter or other certain Legend DEs. If they have the Rip or Swim ability you just use powerup and the swim (RT button) and get by O lineman like it's nothing without any glitching. I used to use D. manely but it was getting a little unrealistic so I'm trying to use the DBs now. Still having a hard time covering with them though. They go all over the place with just a tap on the analog stick.

[twosilk]

yeah i mean ok we see that it is easy but is winning that important that you base your whole def scheme around this one ploy??? i mean really i like to win as much as the next person but as a man you have to look at if i got 7 sacks with one person and numerous hurries this might be a little cheesy, but hey that is just one mans opinion, i know everybody is going to say there is a way to stop it, but even then you are conceding and changing your whole game plan for one player because someone has learned to hold down the a button and then pull a trigger where is the skill in that???

[ElGreazy78]

I took Manley off my team cause he encroaches WAY too often. I like to use Martin (Sack Master, Pass rush, sumthin else I forget) & Simmons.
I stopped using Simmons only because it seems like he fades off after the 2nd quarter. Normally, he'll start out strong but by the end of the game, I get no pressure or run coverage from him at all.

[TheBigBamboo]

If you are playing someone that is having alot of success manual blitzing with Manley.

I can gaurantee you that he is using the D-line glitch.

There is a way to stop it....but, that does not change the fact that it is a glitch.

If you want to know how to stop it ask GT:TheBigBamboo how to stop since he is real good at using this glitch.

p.s. TheBigBamboo I was never going to come on these forums and say anything about you using a glitch. But, since you decided to try and come on here in the other thread and attack me. I will air all your dirty laundry.


You are funny BOFA... Like I said turn in your SIM card beccause using the word SIM in this game is BS especially from you.
I am not going to claim I am SIM because it is BS. I used my DE once against you and that was because you hiked while I was switching through players. Anyways if I want to use my DE I will and yes I do know how to counter it....
You for surely aren't SIM as you say.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^
You are an idiot because the only thing even close to not SIM that I did was quick snap 1 time.....which was justifiable becuase you did it on numerous occasions.

You are also a liar because, you know you did that d-line glitch on purpose with manley.....don't insult my intelligence you fool!!

- Using a d-line man to play is fine by me

- But, doing the d-line glitch like what you did is not OK.

[tpaterniti]

Here's a WILD idea. Get a legend offensive lineman. Man, I knew they were in the game for a reason. You people act like that option is beyond the realm of reason or possibility. Also if you only set your O-line to run block that will contribute to his ability to blow by your OT as well. Set them to balanced or pass block and they defend the rush much better.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^
This will not stop somebody using the D-line glitch though.

[4SteelersFanatic20]

There is no stopping it, it is very easy to hold A then press the right trigger as soon as you engage the OL and you will get in almost everytime unless you get doubled.

[tpaterniti]

Has anyone seriously tried Anthony Munoz, Bob St Clair, Lou Creekmur against this? I doubt it. Valdarez did this to me the whole game and I did not feel that it affected me dramatically. He got maybe 2-3 sacks. Of course I don't do 7 step drops and throw it deep all that often either.

[magex2112]

I agree with Tpaterniti. I was going to make post about using legeng oline but you said it first.

[GoodSense]

What I've noticed about QB's in this game is that if you time your plays correctly, you will never get sacked. For instance, if a play calls for a three step drop, your line will usually protect you 100% for those three steps. If you throw the ball as soon as you make that step you won't be sacked, your WR will have made that crucial cut to get maximum space from the CB, and you will have optimum rooom to make the pass.

Timing is everything in the passing game...

Good point, but not always successful.
Depending on certain factors players bump during their route and are now behind the timing of the throw. And this bump isn't from the DB, but some other collision.

Kinda frustrating, because I was playing the CPU and on the 2 scoring passes my DB ran into a referee. I wasn't too happy and realized I was in a CPU win at all cost game.
Seriously. I can tell because the cpu gets ahead and stays ahead. All kind of super plays are made. I had a generic LB run stride for stride with Branch 40+ yds.
Branch runs at him 10 yds deep and the LB was able to instantly match his speed.
If you remember the Bears Saints game not even their Super LB could do that with Bush.

But I can tell early on if it is one of those games.

Anyway...
I agree timing is the key, but it isn't always on the mark at that point of the drop.
Sometimes you need to let it run a lil longer.

But that is good advice for him to begin with.
If they go in practice mode they would see this. I mean that is the purpose for that many steps because at that time a receiver should be open to receive the ball.


I think provide some extra protection on the side of Dexter and look at how he controls him along with his coverage.
Is it pretty much the same each time?

I haven't played a manual DL opponent in a while, but in 2k5 eat got easy to exploit them trying to exploit the AI.

[4SteelersFanatic20]

Has anyone seriously tried Anthony Munoz, Bob St Clair, Lou Creekmur against this? I doubt it. Valdarez did this to me the whole game and I did not feel that it affected me dramatically. He got maybe 2-3 sacks. Of course I don't do 7 step drops and throw it deep all that often either.
Yes I have actually (well not all of the O-line, but I tried st clair & someone else) St. Clair is pretty good for run blocking (especially toss sweeps because he pulls out and leads & he has speed burner) & the A.I. pass rush but he would still get beat if someone is manually using the DE. I did notice a little difference in how often tho like maybe withouth him (st. clair) manley would get in 65% of the time and with him he would only get in about 40%

[Valdarez]

I play Manley a LOT and I don't get by 65% of the time. Per my experience he gets through with real pressure and a possible sack 1 out of 6 plays. He might get by more than that, but not in time to affect the play.

[kcxiv]

What I've noticed about QB's in this game is that if you time your plays correctly, you will never get sacked. For instance, if a play calls for a three step drop, your line will usually protect you 100% for those three steps. If you throw the ball as soon as you make that step you won't be sacked, your WR will have made that crucial cut to get maximum space from the CB, and you will have optimum rooom to make the pass.

Timing is everything in the passing game...
YOu can do 3 step drops in the NFL and never get sacked. Only problem is you may throw a interception if someone isnt open.

[BofaDeezNutts]

The bottom line is that this is a d-line glitch that people use with the DE....I will not explain how to do it because, then everyone and there momma will do it.

It is the same principle as the d-line glitch that you could do using the DT in 2k5.

[Valdarez]

I just built a new team with 2 DE's, one is a gold the other is Manley. I played my first game with them tonight and got 6 sacks between them against a 65% player (win/loss record) ranked in the 400s. Don't be discounting them Gold lineman to take away the pass!

[Valdarez]

The bottom line is that this is a d-line glitch that people use with the DE....I will not explain how to do it because, then everyone and there momma will do it.

It is the same principle as the d-line glitch that you could do using the DT in 2k5.What TPat is referring to, and what I now use, is not the DLine glitch you are referring to Boffa. It's a simply Swim move (hence the RT button reference), and it's fairly effective.

[twosilk]

What TPat is referring to, and what I now use, is not the DLine glitch you are referring to Boffa. It's a simply Swim move (hence the RT button reference), and it's fairly effective.

would you not agree that done with the right player that this move is unstoppable no matter who is in front of the player I am not good at all at this game but i know that a bronze de should not get six or seven sacks using the same move, i mean i know there is a counter, but in this instance I expect the a.i. to help out a little I mean i was getting sacked before i could get the pocket formed, that is not a you suck issue i mean if manley is unblockable them deacon jones and lee roy selmon should just line up behind the qb and play like that i mean every play you are in the backfield every snap then you should know that something is wrong

[Valdarez]

would you not agree that done with the right player that this move is unstoppable no matter who is in front of the player I am not good at all at this game but i know that a bronze de should not get six or seven sacks using the same move, i mean i know there is a counter, but in this instance I expect the a.i. to help out a little I mean i was getting sacked before i could get the pocket formed, that is not a you suck issue i mean if manley is unblockable them deacon jones and lee roy selmon should just line up behind the qb and play like that i mean every play you are in the backfield every snap then you should know that something is wrongIt's hard to say as hardly anyone uses a Star Offensive lineman online and I typically only play online now. I'm willing to bet it's not as effective against Star Offensive Lineman though.

[SouthShallRise]

the simple answer is a legend tackle

[BofaDeezNutts]

What TPat is referring to, and what I now use, is not the DLine glitch you are referring to Boffa. It's a simply Swim move (hence the RT button reference), and it's fairly effective.


I have know problem with someone doing a swim move or any other type of move against a O-lineman. But, you know what I am talking about and it is becoming a very common thing these days.

[tpaterniti]

^^^ Seriously I think you are talking about where someone calls a Fan stunt, then takes their DE and loops inside towards your center and runs through. All you have to do is call a pass protect to the side of the manually controlled DE and it takes care of it 90% of the time.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^ Seriously I think you are talking about where someone calls a Fan stunt, then takes their DE and loops inside towards your center and runs through. All you have to do is call a pass protect to the side of the manually controlled DE and it takes care of it 90% of the time.


That does not change the fact that it is a glitch.

Example:
2K5 there was a d-line twist glitch. There were a couple ways to counter it:

1) Wiggle your QB side to while you were dropping back.
2) Do playaction rollouts the whole time.

- So, basically playing this style of football is not SIm because, you are having to find ways to defend a glitch.


- The FG glitch had a counter to it......did that change the fact that it is a glitch?

[tpaterniti]

Yes but this counter is not unreasonable. All you have to do is call the protection before every play, pass and run. What made the D-line glitch in 2K5 so bad was that it had a counter, but the counter eliminated 75% of your playbook. This counter doesn't eliminate anything. You can still easily do all the things you could do before.

I am not even convinced it is a glitch. Because if you get a Silver or Gold C it doesn't ever work, regardless of whether you shift the coverage. When you have something that is easily countered by a normal adjustment in the game that does not affect the plays you can run in any way, or by picking Legends at certain positions, if it is a glitch at all I would call it a very minor one. It is certainly not worth all the hullabaloo. This is the reason theuy allow you to shift protection and also the reason they put legend Centers and Guards in the game. Try a game with Dwight Stevenson. I GUARANTEE the stunt will not work against him.

[BofaDeezNutts]

Even the people that use it know that it is a glitch.

If something is that succesful......more than likely it is a glitch....why do you think nobody likes a D-line user....it is because, they find stuff like this.

Just think about the play for 1 second....
The DE is supposed to be doing a fan stunt....which is to the outside......when manually controlled the guys brings him directly to the inside coming through untouched almost everytime, and you can see where the OT steps toward the outside and acts stupid when he realizes that nobody is there.

It is as much of a glitch as the FG glitch.....why do you think everyone that uses it, or use to use this glitch has an unbelievable record.

[SouthShallRise]

i use D-line and nobody has ever accused me of doing anything cheap

[Macpressure]

SSR are you down for a rematch tonight.

Pressuredee

[BofaDeezNutts]

i use D-line and nobody has ever accused me of doing anything cheap


I have no problem with people that use the D-line.........evidently you don't use the glitch.

Out of 200 different opponents.......only a handful have used it against me.

[Ro_Diggity]

Run at him.

I agree with this because you take his speed away. With a legend d line you gotta wear them down with the run. that sets up the passing game.

[twosilk]

I agree with this because you take his speed away. With a legend d line you gotta wear them down with the run. that sets up the passing game.

yeah but if this is true then shouldn't charging him up every play spinning every play and chasing down my Quarterback every play wear out a 300 pound lineman as well??? it didn't he was just as fast in the end as he was in the beginning, even on long drives he was still in the backfield every play

[cws3e]

I only control generic players, whether using linemen, lbs or dbs just to make sure people can't complain about anything.