My thoughts on Franchise

[Hollywood055]

Iv'e been thinking, I don't think franchise should be added to 2K9. At best it wouldn't be very realistic because of the legends. Some people say that Madden is better because of franchise but think IMO Madden's next gen Franchise is unrealistic and boring. I would much rather see 2K Perfect its gameplay and work on it's AI. And then when they get the licence back make the ultimate Franchise mode. I know Im in the minority but what do you guys think, Because to me season in APF s better then Maddens Franchise.

[ballin5692]

i think instead of like a franchise they should add a superstar mode something like madden has. You control that player and only him and hes drafted by the team he played for and you try and have the same career that player had or even better.

[Antaean]

The whole premise of this game is unrealistic, so I don't see the problem there.

[Hollywood055]

So your saying you would rather have francise then work on perfecting the feild play.

[OldRamsFan]

The whole premise of this game is unrealistic, so I don't see the problem there.

I agree. The game has legends from the 50s playing against legends from the 90s. That's not terribly realistic.

I'd like to have a franchise mode, simply because I think more people would have bought the game if it had a franchise mode.

[Someone]

I think I finally figured out how they can do the franchise. You start out with legends from the 50's and before. then after one year legends from the 60's become avilable. The legends retire based on how abused they where, etc, etc. After every year legends from a different decade become available.then after the legends run out, they just cycle back through. Also based on how well your generics play they can learn ablities, and be traded for new legends or youi can pick up legends in free agency. Then based on players skill and last years stats their contracts vary.

What do you guys think?

[Hollywood055]

Well like i said Im in the minority. However, A perfect franchise to me is the feel of running a NFL organization. It is not gonna happen with legends so I would rather see time spent working the on feild mechanics and AI.

My main point is this " is franchise really that good". As soon as we heard there was no franchise in APF the net went nuts. And everytime APF is brought up the first argument against it is that it doesnt have a franchise and that it is a game that can only be enjoyed by online gamers. Well I for 1 am not an online gamer and I would prefer EA/2K to improve the gameplay over added features.

[Hollywood055]

Personally my ultimate dream franchise is being able to start in any year in history and then have every player in history come into the league the year they were drafted. Ex Marino and Elway would come in around 83' and stuff like that. It wont happen but i can dream.

But really the point of this thread was not ways they could do franchise but that they shouldn't do franchise .

[twsn88]

Im sorry i have never did this because i have respect for the most people on here. but i mean this with the most respect in the world. But this is the most stupidest **** I have ever heard. So let me get this straight its a silly idea to have a franchise mode with generic players but it's not a stupid idea to sell a $60 barebones game and make a excuse for it being "ONLINE ONLY"? is a good idea? man i question some 2k fans sometimes because seriously people need to get their minds right.

[Hollywood055]

LOL Did I say it's online only? No I didn't. You can play against the CPU and play a season. Whats so great about franchise. Like I said I knew I was in the minority and that the franchise sheep would bah but all franchise is is fluff to distract us from the real game. In Madden you need a franchise because the on field gameplay is heavily flawed but I think 2K should just work on the game add more animations better AI ect. and make a killer franchise mode when they get the licence. If you want a game with a million crappy modes go play Mario Party. I want a football game.

[twsn88]

LOL Did I say it's online only? No I didn't. You can play against the CPU and play a season. Whats so great about franchise. Like I said I knew I was in the minority and that the franchise sheep would bah but all franchise is is fluff to distract us from the real game. In Madden you need a franchise because the on field gameplay is heavily flawed but I think 2K should just work on the game add more animations better AI ect. and make a killer franchise mode when they get the licence.

yep. $60 for yet another barebones game. keep that up and you guys are lucky they have enough money for making another one.....you see 2k messed up when they thought they could sell this game with out the buttons and stitches the first time and doing it again. Let me say that the most thing that turned off the audience the first time in this whole shindig was the moment greg thomas said that there would be no franchise. Why? BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS ONLINE!. People need depth to their things.....and i gaurentee you that if you ask most of these people here they would have at least held onto their game if there was at least a boat load of features and a franchise mode. hands down

[Hollywood055]

Yeah thats the difference between me and alot of other people. I just play against my freinds and the computer I usually dont play online because of all the cheesers. But franchise just doesn't do anything for me because they are always poorly done. I understand though that Im in the minority and that most people obsess over tons of game modes. I just obsess over getting the field action as great as it can be. But I also know that there is no way that 2K would make a 2K9 without a franchise mode and this thrad just proves it. Not 1 person agreed with me lol.

[JHova1982]

Franchise is a load of crap feature to begin with. in sports games i never got to why people like franchise mode so much. In sports games the only thing that keeps long times play is competition against friends or today's age going online.

No sports games is fun beaten on the computer all day long and eventually u gone stop playing it and get next years game. and if i did want to beat on the computer i rather do with brian urlacher then some bum they generated for me to make him better.

Me personnally i say get rid of franchise modes for good, cause to me its a waste of time and memory space. Thats one reason madden is so trash right now cause they focusing on modes rather than gameplay. They wasting precious memory space on crap only kids will get into and they only gone play it for about 3-6 months anyways. they should be using for fixing thier gameplay and better presentation

[Hollywood055]

^^^^
Exactly what Im trying to say. Except I don't think playing the cpu is boring if they can make the AI good I think playing the CPU can give you more of a challenge then a person. But if they spend all their time making meaningless modes then it will end up being like Madden making gimmicky modes constantly while the gameplay is left mostly untouched.But like i said we are in the minority and I doubt 2K will put out another game without a franchise.

[twsn88]

^^^^
Exactly what Im trying to say. Except I don't think playing the cpu is boring if they can make the AI good I think playing the CPU can give you more of a challenge then a person. But if they spend all their time making meaningless modes then it will end up being like Madden making gimmicky modes constantly while the gameplay is left mostly untouched.But like i said we are in the minority and I doubt 2K will put out another game without a franchise.

Yes i highly doubt that your going to be in the majority because simply it does not make sense to sell a bare bones game as progression in 2k9. No customer in todays age buying games that almost cost $100 will be "ripped" off. I want features, I want something that has replay value and Apf 2k8 would have had a big replay value if they had that. Thats why they did not sell as much as they did. This game has to prove its self so if i was proving myself i would have left all the customizations from stadiums to coaches and everything and build my own franchise. I know for certain that people would not have had an issue with this game if 2k would have just takin this a little further than what they did with this. that makes sense but i tell you right now that if i a normal consumer finds out that this game will be if not as more bare boned as before? then hey it will not be gotten.

[Hollywood055]

Um first of all I said minority. Minority means that I am part of a smaller group.
Secondly, are you saying thst Franchise is more valuable to a single player then a super smart/realistic A.I.
And finally, how can you tell me I can't have my own opinion. i didnt say you had to agree with me I just asked if anyone else agreed with me.

[accountblocked]

stupidest? Did not sell as much as they did? No customer in todays age buying games that almost cost $100? if i a normal consumer finds out that this game will be if not as more bare boned as before? then hey it will not be gotten?

Ok, you need to go to madden because you are exactly the kind of idiot that we(2k fans) dont want 2k to start making their games for. You bring new meaning to the term drooling idiot.

[Hollywood055]

stupidest? Did not sell as much as they did? No customer in todays age buying games that almost cost $100? if i a normal consumer finds out that this game will be if not as more bare boned as before? then hey it will not be gotten?

Ok, you need to go to madden because you are exactly the kind of idiot that we(2k fans) dont want 2k to start making their games for. You bring new meaning to the term drooling idiot.

No offence but your post doesn't make any scence at all. Are you insulting me or Twsn?

[Tito78]

A Franchise mode most definitely has to be in APF 2k9. Without it, it has no replay value. Playing one season and starting over is pointless to me, and a lot of other people judging by the posts in this forum.

The game should still have legends, but those legends wouldn't be available in Franchise Mode. The Franchise Mode should consist of 2 confrences, 8 divisions, and 32 teams with fictional names and players, but the players should be strikingly similar to players in the NFL.

for example: a team that plays in the Eastern division in the American confrence(AFC East), would have a 6'5" QB, that is a pure pocket passer and the best QB in the game(Tom Brady). On the same team, there would also be a 6'5" WR that is a deep threat, with amazing leaping ability, soft hands, and has the ability to make circus catches(Randy Moss). Full customization would allow us to change the uniforms, logos, staduims, names of players,coaches, confrences,events, and divisions.

The legends should be grouped into to all decade teams. All 50's, All 60's, All 80's, All 90's.

[Tito78]

Yeah thats the difference between me and alot of other people. I just play against my freinds and the computer I usually dont play online because of all the cheesers. But franchise just doesn't do anything for me because they are always poorly done. I understand though that Im in the minority and that most people obsess over tons of game modes. I just obsess over getting the field action as great as it can be. But I also know that there is no way that 2K would make a 2K9 without a franchise mode and this thrad just proves it. Not 1 person agreed with me lol.

That's because you're wrong. Different people enjoy different things, so why would 2k9 have a franchise. Some don't play online, and they don't play other people that much. They get sports games for franchise.

If you want madden to have competition, if you want the license to someday be up for grabs or non-exclusive, the having a game with a franchise mode is the way to go. If you have no interest in the franchise mode, then simply don't play it. Why take choices away from gamers, do you work for EA? LOL

[KingJames77]

id luv if 2k improved their A.I and gameplay as much as the next guy but to make another game without a franchise mode is ludacris..If people dont like it dont play it but for the people who do play it and like it then wut?...we r stuck with madden??

[badasp83]

I don't see why franchise would be so difficult. Just add sum ratings system, leave the abilities alone, and assign an age to the Legends. Have this be the 1st year of a new league and viola: Franchise reborn. :thumbsup:


All I ask is to have atleast SOME customisation of non legend players. Stadium creator would be nice too. NOT that dreadfull 'create a stadium as you can afford to' system that EA had in MVP baseball-YUK.

[Hollywood055]

LOL no I don't work for Madden.Im just saying that Franchise mode isnt the only thing that gives a game replay value. I also don't think they would just copy the NFL and make it generic because they don't want to anger the NFL. But if they did that I would love for them to include a franchise.

Here is my point.

1) 2K can't use NFL players and won't just use similar players.
2)If they did do a franchise mode it would probably be something totally different then 2k5/maddens franchise mode to cater to the legend players.
3) All franchise is is playing multiple seasons with Trading player, drafting and signing free agents. It is not something that caters to the current model very well.
4) if they did a custom franchise this year and spent the majority of the time on it this year then next year they would have to spend time on making a NFL franchise if they get the licence back.
5) instead of doing that put all efforts in making the CPU A.I. better this way every game wont be predictable and boring and the focus on a football game would be on football rather then conning a fake football team out of their best players and dominationg a dumb AI.
6) remember they cant do everything.;)

Basically the most important thing Im saying is if they make the AI challenging and improve the game all around that is what gives a game replay value. Halo 3 doesnt have a franchise mode and no one says that has no replay value.

[badasp83]

To be honest since 2k5 had more overall in game than this game had and was a great game. So there's no reason they can't do both (franchise & improve gameplay).

[accountblocked]

No offence but your post doesn't make any scence at all. Are you insulting me or Twsn?


Twsn.


It makes no sense because the garbage he writes doesnt make any sense. Is it even english?

[Big M]

I don't think they should get rid of it, but I wish it would be done differently. I think there should be a draft at the beginning of the franchise mode to make the teams. As it is, there could be the same people on two different teams playing each other. There needs to be something to assure that all the teams will have different people. Then I wish there could be some form of free agency for legends who are not drafted, so you could get a backup legend of a replacement if you gold RB goes out with an injury.

I know the odds of my idea happening are small, but I think it would add some more depth to the game.

[Hollywood055]

^^^^

LMAO I was playing earlier and Gale Sayers on my team was knocked out of the game for about 2 drives from a poke in the eye.l

[Codenamemighty]

Hello all My fellow friends and gamers. I just want to put my two cents about this thread. I must say that ESPN NFL 2K5 had great gameplay and a good franchised mode. But our focus is on a realistic but not realistic game call All Pro Football. If trying to use a NFL type approached franchised for this game will not work at all. Just will not play realistically. 2Ksports I know with out a doubt will improve gameplay and have plenty of features to All Pro 2k9 if it is to be made.

But lets focus on a Franchised. How could one implement a mode to a game that has legends and not some legends in a game that puts everyone in a different era. You got legends like Joe montana, Dan Marino, Reggie White, but then you have players like Andre Ware, Bernie Kosar, William (refridgerator) Perry who are not legends but are recognizeable names in NFL history. Of course this would not be a straight up trade for these players. So I think I have an idea that might work best.

If you are playing online keep it the way it is..but once offline this is where I think it could be really good for a franchised mode. First you must select a team from a certain era 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. The teams will be categorized by those years and players who will be available in those years. For example if you pick a Barry Sanders and everyone who was playing during barry sanders era until retirement will ony be available through that era. So if you need another running back I believe Thurman Thomas was in the same decade with Barry then Thurman would be available and other backs and receivers who was playing during that era. Of course there will not be an Earl Campbell, O.j simpson because they was not playing during this time. So it depends on the year you pick to determine which players will be available to trade and draft from.

So the key to making this idea work depends on how many people 2ksports sign to play in all pro football 2k9. If 2ksports could sign atleats 5 people in different skill and position categories with each color, like bronzed, silver, gold in every decade then it could be possible. Also if 2ksports must they could create generic star players and give them a green star but giving us attributes like soft hands, speed burner, so we can decide which type of generic star player we want if you just dont have the money to draft a Jerry Rice....

This is just a liitle of the idea that could work...holla back and let mt know what you think or give me some of your ideas.......

[TheRainboWarior]

I really like the idea of having the generics be "green stars". Give them one skill, but make it a little less powerful as a true legends.

[twsn88]

Um first of all I said minority. Minority means that I am part of a smaller group.
Secondly, are you saying thst Franchise is more valuable to a single player then a super smart/realistic A.I.
And finally, how can you tell me I can't have my own opinion. i didnt say you had to agree with me I just asked if anyone else agreed with me.

First of all when i replied to this group it was never directed to you. the only time it was directed was basically when you said you are in the minority. I did not personally come here to attack you i mainly was talking about others that i heard talk about this. It just so happen to be on your thread thats all... you are entitled to your opinion as well as the others on here.

[amid]

re: my thoughts on franchise

[twsn88]

stupidest? Did not sell as much as they did? No customer in todays age buying games that almost cost $100? if i a normal consumer finds out that this game will be if not as more bare boned as before? then hey it will not be gotten?

Ok, you need to go to madden because you are exactly the kind of idiot that we(2k fans) dont want 2k to start making their games for. You bring new meaning to the term drooling idiot.

The term that you have created such as "drooling idiot" well applies to the one who wrote this. Of course you did not understand what i was saying and your only way of replying back to me is to throw insults around with no backing because well i have seen people like you on these threads before so it makes no difference to make an argument with you.

I will however say that i said nothing in defense of madden...infact madden is not the only game that has franchise mode and games that are in depth deeply. But yet i did say that the main reason why alot of people brought madden is mainly because the minuite 2k came out and said no snazzy features or franchise many people ran out and brought madden.

You see in todays age we as consumers are paying for games that are a tad bit higher than previous years. Now common sense says that you would like to buy a game that has more bang for your buck...Now i dont know if you checked the fiscal year for 2k and apf 2k8 they did not make the money that they expected on this game. why you say? because it was stripped of features and then left with only online.

Little to your known knowledge that many games 2k makes has a franchise or many other modes that keeps the consumer interested. Ie: nba 2k8 mlb 2k7 and so on.
It's not the fact that what i say makes no sense and is garbage it's the fact that you good sir just like the rest of the assclowns that come on here do is just toss around insults and have no backing to your statements and also you never understand what YOU are talking about.. It's no surprise really because the minuite you did not agree with what i said which is the truth( if you dont believe me check the stats) and also check my history where i have said what 2k has done wrong you would not have made the statement you did which in the end amounts to nothing at all.

[thor-17]

I would like to see a multiple season mode, not setting prices of hot dogs and parking, but building a team, trading players, that sort of thing. I would like to see rewards for milestones in your franchise; like an extra legend on your team for going undefeated or winning the championship. Maybe even the ability to trade the number of g/s/b stars; like 2 bronze for an extra silver before the season. About the only thing I dislike about APF is that you can't change the g/s/b make up of your team. I would like to be able to make my team like some of the premade teams, with different combinations of the legends.

Watcha think?

[twsn88]

Twsn.


It makes no sense because the garbage he writes doesnt make any sense. Is it even english?

The things i write do make sense. But I do find it funny that I never heard of you on here or ever see you reply one bit to my responses but yet reply on a few grammatical errors that I created. I have been around here from time to time making sense and understanding what I mean and what I say. I of course always seen people like you who basically judge people on what they write but never take time to take their heads out of their asses to actually see what it really means. And you mr. Blocked have your head straight up yours to even understand why you act the way you do. But it's pretty much explains itself when your name is account blocked. Heres a hint for you..if my words are garbage then why pay attention to it? normally i would ignore people on here who give replies like you but it's not worth it.

I have seen people on here like you before and odds are there will be more like you...

now good day sir.

[twsn88]

Twsn.


It makes no sense because the garbage he writes doesnt make any sense. Is it even english?

and another thing *** it's twsn88. so if your gonna talk like an *** at least talk like a smartass.

[Tito78]

LOL no I don't work for Madden.Im just saying that Franchise mode isnt the only thing that gives a game replay value. I also don't think they would just copy the NFL and make it generic because they don't want to anger the NFL. But if they did that I would love for them to include a franchise.

Here is my point.

1) 2K can't use NFL players and won't just use similar players.
2)If they did do a franchise mode it would probably be something totally different then 2k5/maddens franchise mode to cater to the legend players.
3) All franchise is is playing multiple seasons with Trading player, drafting and signing free agents. It is not something that caters to the current model very well.
4) if they did a custom franchise this year and spent the majority of the time on it this year then next year they would have to spend time on making a NFL franchise if they get the licence back.
5) instead of doing that put all efforts in making the CPU A.I. better this way every game wont be predictable and boring and the focus on a football game would be on football rather then conning a fake football team out of their best players and dominationg a dumb AI.
6) remember they cant do everything.;)

Basically the most important thing Im saying is if they make the AI challenging and improve the game all around that is what gives a game replay value. Halo 3 doesnt have a franchise mode and no one says that has no replay value.

How do you know? Do you work for 2k. A totally generic 32 team franchise is the best way for them to compete with Madden, and actually make some money, cause the what they did with 2k8, obviously didn't catch on.

The concept of a Franchise mode is based on realism, legends are immortalized so it's not practical at all to put them in a Franchise.

As far as Game play is concerned, this game IMO is the greatest football game created. It just needs depth, and that's what a Franchise will bring.

[Hollywood055]

^^^^

I thought it was common knoweldge that they didnt want to anger the NFL.If they did do a league based on NFL I would love that.