View Full Version : QB's need to be less accurate, and WRs have to attack the ball
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 2nd, 2008, 03:04 PM
2k please make the QBs less accurate, and the WRs actually attempt to attack the ball.
Please do this, because when you watch NFL games, you will see that most incompletions are because the QB doesn't thread the needle, or are even just a little bit off. Also, make WRs actually jump for the ball, and have them be slightly more aggressive, not too much, but slightly. This should not effect completion percentage too much, as doing both would offset each other, and also make the passing game a tad bit more realistic.
Tbonious Prime
January 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM
everyone would complain if they set their feet to make a pass and the QB overshot the wide open reciever by 10+ yards, even if it doesn happen in real life, it happens in this game to me a couple times a game, and in my opinion certain recievers on this game are aggresive, like raymond barry and herman moore, alot more agressive than say drew pearson and rocket ismail
BofaDeezNutts
January 2nd, 2008, 03:49 PM
I think that 2k counters the QB's accuracy by having random drops by the WR's.
nyknicks33
January 2nd, 2008, 05:26 PM
I think the problem is actually the opposite..its the defender who isnt attacking the ball because he somehow gets himself in bizzare positions every now and then for some unknown reason
GoodSense
January 2nd, 2008, 05:37 PM
I think that 2k counters the QB's accuracy by having random drops by the WR's.
I agree.
And if we make the DBs more aggressive we will end up with unrealistic INTs.
That I guarantee.
In a system like that all you would have to do is switch to the nearest defender and choose the INT button.
I think the correction involves less skating to make the catch and more dependence on the WRs view when making max passing throws.
Receiver can't adjust to a ball he can't see thrown OFF the pattern.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 2nd, 2008, 07:13 PM
So no one agrees with me that the QBs have to be less accurate? Because pretty much all of the QBs can thread the needle on every single play. It just doesn't feel realistic when I have Randall Cunningham completing passes into a blob of 5 defenders and completing it every time.
Also, in real life, you will never see a QB consistently make perfect throws every play.
Gadz1313
January 2nd, 2008, 07:22 PM
I dont have a problem with it. They need to make it so the WRs and DBs dont drop BS passes right at them. And make hte physics or coverage reads better, so the game doesnt depend on random weird **** for incomplete passes.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 2nd, 2008, 07:23 PM
Actually when you closely watch coverage in real life, you will see that WRs and TEs actually are not that well covered. Its just up to the QB to make the throw well, and at the right time.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 2nd, 2008, 07:25 PM
Because have you ever tried throwing like 30 yards downfield, with perfect timing, and right on target. All while avoiding the pass rush?
Syrus Odin
January 10th, 2008, 06:03 PM
So no one agrees with me that the QBs have to be less accurate? Because pretty much all of the QBs can thread the needle on every single play. It just doesn't feel realistic when I have Randall Cunningham completing passes into a blob of 5 defenders and completing it every time.
Also, in real life, you will never see a QB consistently make perfect throws every play.
I dont agree with your assessment of QB's in this game. Put a little pressure on them and they fold like chair. I look forward to playing Randall, just because of a few knockdowns, sack em a few times and he becomes a pick machine. :dance:
Some QB's really have a hard time after they make their first mistake or two.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 10th, 2008, 07:11 PM
I use Cunningham on one of my teams, and even after getting sacked like 5 times, he still throws with pinpoint accuracy.
Tuboware67
January 10th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Actually when you closely watch coverage in real life, you will see that WRs and TEs actually are not that well covered. Its just up to the QB to make the throw well, and at the right time.
And you call yourself and LSU fan? LSU's secondary is shut down, so you should know that defenses dont just let WR's and TE's get open, they have to earn the right to be open.
Of course sometimes they blow coverage, but that doesnt happen often More times than not the reason a QB throws a bad pass is because everyone IS covered to he puts it where only the receiver has a chance at it, thus making it look like a terrible pass.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 10th, 2008, 07:17 PM
^^^ I'm not talking about college, I'm talking about NFL.
And if the QBs made better throws, lots more of the passes would be completed.
markhfriday
January 10th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I know what you mean. Most incompletions in the NFL will hit the ground... Most incompletions in APF are batted.
Therefore, unrealistic. Yet another reason why people shouldn't complain about the lack of INT-cathing abilities in the secondary... Because the game is not programmed to have realstic passing quite yet (neither has any other football game ever released).
Azn_Essence
January 10th, 2008, 09:20 PM
I agree with you 100%. This is the most glaring issues in the game that people do not seem to understand. (I sent a long email to the Devs concerning this)
All you have to do is go to practice mode and throw 80yd bombs with Cunningham to see it.
The ball will hit the WR in STRIDE every single time. Granted it's vs no defense, but in real life, that would never happen 99/100 like it does in this game.
markhfriday
January 10th, 2008, 09:25 PM
how do you know the receiver didnt just adjust a little to make the catch?
Syrus Odin
January 10th, 2008, 09:33 PM
The ball will hit the WR in STRIDE every single time. Granted it's vs no defense, but in real life, that would never happen 99/100 like it does in this game.
Imagine that, an 80yd bomb thrown by a legendary QB to a WR when there isnt a defender on the field.
And sorry, but its obvious you have never been to a professional football practice because thats a drill they do to get timing down and bet your *** that they throw it and catch it in stride. Stride has to do with the WR running and timing his running to meet the ball as much as it has to do with a QB throwing.
Sorry but your wrong.
Azn_Essence
January 10th, 2008, 09:56 PM
They might catch it in stride 50 yards, but not 80.
You are exaggerating it. When I say in stride, I mean the WR is running full speed all the way, and not having to slow down and adjust to the ball at all. (which happens in 2k)
Just because you saw it happen once doesn't mean it happens every single time like it does in the game. I'm arguing for consistency, not the probability of it happening once a blue moon.
2nd, I have been to a pro practice camp. Lehigh every fall, and I've NEVER seen Mcnabb hit anyone dead in the numbers at 80 yards.
Hell, maybe YOU'VE never been to a practice camp. There's no 80 yards LOB drill. Qbs may do it to showoff their arms, not do it repeatedly to get their timing down. Not to mention 80 yards is the FARTHEST a QB can throw. How can he throw it with deadly precision when he's basically just heaving it up?
Syrus Odin
January 10th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Maybe not 80 but definetly 60 yds. And besides you cant do it with any QB efficiently. And to say that you can is exaggerating.
We all know Randall is a bit overpowered. Its obvious since he plays like a gold. I could see your point with 80 yard throw thing if this thread was about to much throw power. Its about accuracy isn't?
:dance:
And if your still pressing it, like said earlier, WR's adjust their routes while the ball is in the air. Not to mention if they just tightened up the D we wouldn't be having this conversation. Sure their are alot of batted balls already but there is also a HELL of alot more wide open pass completions when 2 guys should be right with the guy.
Look, I'm just saying if they DO need to turn it down (QB Acc), they need to do it very slightly.
butterknife26
January 10th, 2008, 11:35 PM
I would rather see them tighten up the man to man defense. They could do it without having unrealistic interceptions.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 11th, 2008, 12:04 PM
^^^ IMO, man to man defense is perfect in the game. This is because if you watch a real NFL game, you will see that when corners play man to man, they aren't always glued to the WR, but they are actually quite far off. It is usually up to the QB to make the throw accuately.
LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS
January 11th, 2008, 12:07 PM
My only gripe about mam to man defense is that the defenders run the WR's route instead of defending the WR