Recently Discovered Formation Shifts.

[nyknicks33]

You can REALLY gash someone's defense if they arent paying attention to what is happening. This is a neat little feature..cant believe it took me so long to try it.

I ran a play in which I wanted to come out in a I-Joker formation, but then shift to shutgun spread.

I was able to hit Dwight Clark WIDE open running a seam route from the slot. I was shocked to see him running that free., I almost threw the ball late...its a great little wrinkle to throw at people that can really catch them off guard.

[BrandH]

You can REALLY gash someone's defense if they arent paying attention to what is happening. This is a neat little feature..cant believe it took me so long to try it.

I ran a play in which I wanted to come out in a I-Joker formation, but then shift to shutgun spread.

I was able to hit Dwight Clark WIDE open running a seam route from the slot. I was shocked to see him running that free., I almost threw the ball late...its a great little wrinkle to throw at people that can really catch them off guard.
I love using formation shifts. If you are playing some one who does a lot of adjustments at the line you can mess them up especially if you start of in I form and the switch to one of the empty sets that has 2 rbs 2 wr and 1 te.

[ToyDingo]

I did that the other day, but it was completely by accident. Are you guys talking about calling audibles? Or actually shifting the formation?

If it's the latter, how do you do it?

[nyknicks33]

I did that the other day, but it was completely by accident. Are you guys talking about calling audibles? Or actually shifting the formation?

If it's the latter, how do you do it?


you go to the formation that you want the offense to come out in, but dont press A, press RT.

Then go to the formation that you want to run your actually play from, and call the play as normal.

When you get to the line of scrimmage. Press A and the players will shift to your play call

[BrandH]

No it is formation shifts. When going through the play screen hit R2 when it says the package ie. I form doubles, Shotgun Spread then continue on to whatever formation and play you realyy want and select as usual. Now when you go to the line press X and they will shift from the decoy to the formation you want. Hit x again to hike the ball. You have to do it quick though cuz if you get to the line to late they wont be able to shift to the right formation in time.

[BrandH]

Ha ha, well there it is back to back for the Xbox version and PS3 version.

[Mizerak3]

It is a formation shift, not an audible. The thing is, the "D" still knows what players are on the field and formation that you go to--not the one you come out in. If it showed your false formation package on the "D" screen, it would be more effective.

[Kdrontle]

When do you guys think the best use for formation shifts are? I'm thinking something like 3rd and short where you come out in a power formation and spread it out for an easy pass to the flats? This would be a real nice situation to get those soft hand RB's some positive usage in short yardage situations if they lack power!

[nepharius4]

formation shifts are only good against dumb asses who dont pay attention to the personell that comes out, and either that way formation shifting will have no results.

Like mizerak3 said, "The thing is, the "D" still knows what players are on the field and formation that you go to--not the one you come out in."

so in the end it doesn't confuse an aware player, all it does is waste playclock time and adjustment time on your end.

[ToyDingo]

Neat, i must try this....the one time I did it by accident was a huge 85 yard pass for a TD...

[BrandH]

It is a formation shift, not an audible. The thing is, the "D" still knows what players are on the field and formation that you go to--not the one you come out in. If it showed your false formation package on the "D" screen, it would be more effective.
But then that would be an exploit. I have Lions tix and saw them shift a lot this year. They opposing D could still see that Shaun McDonald came out and was in the backfield and Kevin Jones was in the slot before the shift. Unless you can physically see the players come out it wouldbe a disadvatage if it told you the wrong skill players in the game.

[Valdarez]

formation shifts are only good against dumb asses who dont pay attention to the personell that comes out, and either that way formation shifting will have no results.

Like mizerak3 said, "The thing is, the "D" still knows what players are on the field and formation that you go to--not the one you come out in."

so in the end it doesn't confuse an aware player, all it does is waste playclock time and adjustment time on your end.That's not true. The good players are adjusting their guys as soon as they hit the field. Hot zoning, manning up, moving them around on defense in preparation for what they see on the field (the formation). A formation shift can really throw off their game, especially in critical situations.

[BrandH]

Like mizerak3 said, "The thing is, the "D" still knows what players are on the field and formation that you go to--not the one you come out in."
That is not true. if you are in man and the rb is split out the man assigned to him splits out wide with him. Also if it is 3rd and short and you think I am going to run I can shift to an empty back set and have Roger Craig split out for a pass. Now if i came out in 3 or 4 wide you might pick a diff d-line stunt like base or fan. But if you see in is normal you may anticipate run and pinch the line. From there I can shift to H empty flex or something like that and throw to Mr 3rd down Roger Craig and if he is covered roll out and buy some time cuz your dline is pinched.

[nepharius4]

That's not true. The good players are adjusting their guys as soon as they hit the field. Hot zoning, manning up, moving them around on defense in preparation for what they see on the field (the formation). A formation shift can really throw off their game, especially in critical situations.

The good players then have time to re-adjust while your team is forced to shift to the formation you wanted originally.

That is not true. if you are in man and the rb is split out the man assigned to him splits out wide with him. Also if it is 3rd and short and you think I am going to run I can shift to an empty back set and have Roger Craig split out for a pass. Now if i came out in 3 or 4 wide you might pick a diff d-line stunt like base or fan. But if you see in is normal you may anticipate run and pinch the line. From there I can shift to H empty flex or something like that and throw to Mr 3rd down Roger Craig and if he is covered roll out and buy some time cuz your dline is pinched.


If i am in man and the assigned guy goes with him, he comes right back with him when you shift. The thing youre not getting is the package, you can come out with that package looking like an i formation but we see taht you have 4 wrs and 1 rb as the package, so im going to pick a dime formation, and wait for the pass and possibly adjust to the run, either way id pick my defense the same if you never formation shifted. I can say that small details like that can work, maybe u get my dline in a pinch but, roger will be covered and you running around wont help that much depending on your QB. In the end i think tis a waste of time, id rather call my formation and audible. but to each their own.

[BrandH]

I guess I use it more for going from 2rb 2wr 1 te regular fomation to the same personnel going to empty back field. That is what I meant by confusion. Cuz if you are adjusting from man to zone if I end up in empty backfield or normal I may be able to catch you asleep by not shifting when you expect it.

[BrandH]

The one advatage I find is you can tell if there coverage is man or zone.

[nyknicks33]

Well, all i can say that the couple times i have used it in a handful of games. It has worked out for me for the most part, the few times I have done it. I just found it to be a nice little wrinkle to throw out there. If it catches your opponent napping for that one big play in a game..then it was worth it. :thumbsup:

[nepharius4]

I guess i get what you guys are saying but if you're playing someone who will let you get a big play off of a formation shift (because of the formation shift) whilst they knew the formation that was coming out then you dont need to do a formation shift on them because they aren't playing smart defense in the first place.

[Valdarez]

The good players then have time to re-adjust while your team is forced to shift to the formation you wanted originally.Nope. At best, all you can do is reset your defensive play to the defaults.

[Johnny_Mangera]

:rolleyes:


I played some joker the other day who did this EVERY play, really annoying.


I got a solution though, manual blitzing. Call up your hot routing right before the Qb hikes the ball, press 'Y" if your controlling your linebacker he will do a swim move right pass the lineman and attack the Qb.


Figured this out by mistake, it's really hard to pull of because at the exact time the qb hikes the ball you have to press y/rb and boom right through the line, Crazy.


Thats a little tip for you rookies


John Frank 2040

[BrandH]

So to counter something that you found annoying you are going to do a glitch. Its sounds like a very difficult to complete glitch, but a glitch nonetheless.

[BrandH]

Nope. At best, all you can do is reset your defensive play to the defaults.
How do you do that?

[Johnny_Mangera]

So to counter something that you found annoying you are going to do a glitch. Its sounds like a very difficult to complete glitch, but a glitch nonetheless.


Yep, personally I play straight up, but you have to play cheesers/glitchers to know everything.

I play sim, but if you sling dirt I'm taking the gloves off.


I spent about 4 hours one night practicing onside kicks, this joker onside kicked me in the first quarter, he caught me sleeping,cool.

Next possesion I came out recovered his second onside kick, scored and that clown never touched the ball again.

After about my 6th onside recovery he pulled the plug


,peace

[nepharius4]

i believe to reset is Y and then LB

[nyknicks33]

Yep, personally I play straight up, but you have to play cheesers/glitchers to know everything.

I play sim, but if you sling dirt I'm taking the gloves off.


I spent about 4 hours one night practicing onside kicks, this joker onside kicked me in the first quarter, he caught me sleeping,cool.

Next possesion I came out recovered his second onside kick, scored and that clown never touched the ball again.

After about my 6th onside recovery he pulled the plug


,peace


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