Is it wrong to run the same play against the same defense?

[Lankylegz]

I have ran into a guy who says it's cheese to run a play that works against 1 defensive play. What do you guys think? If the guy keeps picking the same defense then why would I not run the same play that works against that defense? In the NFL if Randy Moss burns someone deep in a certain defense do you think the next play they are going to come right back out in that defense? It's up to the defense to make adjustments. What do you guys think is more sim? Playing the same defense or mixing up your defensive play calls to counter what your opponent likes to do?

[SouthShallRise]

no it's not...but people will ALWAYS say it is...he's just mad cuz his money defense play is getting run over.

[s38s38s]

I heard Dime defense was glitch??? Go figure, some guys just don't know as much as the think they do.

[nyknicks33]

No. Played a guy a couple of days ago who ran a play action roll out that gave me trouble..once I finally stuffed it a few times in a row..he stopped doing it. Football is a simple game really.

[s38s38s]

Football is a simple game really.

This is as honest as it gets, there are people who play the game who complain that anything that beats them is cheese or is unsim or whatever but a lot of times its an excuse for poor playcalling.

IMO this is the best football game I've played on a next GEN console hands down even with its minor imperfections. Guys just need to strap in and play the game the way it was meant to be played. As long as my opponent isn't running flea-flicker all game and playing straight up and beats me I can't be mad and say he's cheese or unsim because he avoided the strengths of my defense. I mean if I have a coverage defense and you have Earl Campbell why not run. Or if I have a weak coverage team with bronze DB's and a generic saftie's why not throw deep? some people just need to man up and play the game. (no offense to anyone intended). Seriously. :rotfl:

[LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS]

Yeah, that PA rollout is really good play after youve established that outside run.

But the way to counter it is to blitz, because everytime I do it when a blitz is coming, I always throw a bad ball or get sacked. Also, the blitz gets in extra fast against it.

[LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS]

This is as honest as it gets, there are people who play the game who complain that anything that beats them is cheese or is unsim or whatever but a lot of times its an excuse for poor playcalling.

IMO this is the best football game I've played on a next GEN console hands down even with its minor imperfections. Guys just need to strap in and play the game the way it was meant to be played. As long as my opponent isn't running flea-flicker all game and playing straight up and beats me I can't be mad and say he's cheese or unsim because he avoided the strengths of my defense. I mean if I have a coverage defense and you have Earl Campbell why not run. Or if I have a weak coverage team with bronze DB's and a generic saftie's why not throw deep? some people just need to man up and play the game. (no offense to anyone intended). Seriously. :rotfl:

Even Flea-flickers are stoppable

[nyknicks33]

Yeah, that PA rollout is really good play after youve established that outside run.

But the way to counter it is to blitz, because everytime I do it when a blitz is coming, I always throw a bad ball or get sacked. Also, the blitz gets in extra fast against it.


Yeah, i figured that out, of course, I was quite behind by the time it clicked..but I found something..so even in a loss, you can learn stuff you know?

[Lankylegz]

Well said guys. I like the discussion. So i think we all agree if you scream cheese when someone throws to the holes in your defense then you must be an idiot for not calling different defenses.

[nyknicks33]

Well said guys. I like the discussion. So i think we all agree if you scream cheese when someone throws to the holes in your defense then you must be an idiot for not calling different defenses.


I'm reminded of someone I played yesterday. He called 5-2 defense on EVERY down. well, what am I supposed to? just pound Okoye up the gut of where his D is stacked?

No. I went into a 2 back shotgun set, max protected and went up top every dang play. I go up 21-0, he quits the game and leaves me "Neegative:Just a Horrible Opponent" feedback.

Now I'm not the best player in the world, but even I know that if you are going to blitz the house out of the 5-2 every play regardless of what formation I come out in, you deserve whatever big play gets busted on you.

[s38s38s]

Well said guys. I like the discussion. So i think we all agree if you scream cheese when someone throws to the holes in your defense then you must be an idiot for not calling different defenses.



:dance: :rotfl: :dance: :rotfl: :dance: :rotfl: :dance: :rotfl: :dance:


You must be a freaking genius and here I was thinking I was cheese this whole time throwing to a defenses weakness. Thanks fellas I feel validated. Aww I can remove my cheddar hat now as was previously given to me by the afformentioned.:rotfl:

[tpaterniti]

Val does not run the same defense. Like me, he uses hot zones, man assignments, and hot blitzes to make his own play most of the time, so just because it looks like the same D doesn't mean it is. Give it a rest guys.

[BofaDeezNutts]

Everything is stoppable one way or another......If somebody keeps running the same D then it sounds like they need to step out of their comfort zone and mix up the play calling.

[s38s38s]

Val does not run the same defense. Like me, he uses hot zones, man assignments, and hot blitzes to make his own play most of the time, so just because it looks like the same D doesn't mean it is. Give it a rest guys.


Way to step up for him Tpat, but it doesn't look like the hot zones, man assignments, and hot blitzes were working to well, you saw his posts on the other site. Those adjustments out of 4-3 and 3-3 won't work its that simple I've tried it, but before the play starts reguardless of the adjustments the LB's are already out position unless they are manually moved. We're all just talking about running the same play that seems to work vs what appears to be the same defense that continues to give up the play. And what do we need to give a rest it's just general discussion now :confused: No one is being targeted.:eek:

[tpaterniti]

No one is being targeted? Is that why you have started like 5 posts about the same thing after you played Val and he complained about you throwing quick outs all game?

BTW, why don't you post your feedback? It is in the low 70s I think (I know, I know- all sore losers). So it must not be just Val who thinks there is something lame about the way you play.

[s38s38s]

Mods get Tpat he's targeting me.

By the way Tpat you seem more upset than that other guy, so my feedback is 73%(now) yellow face big whoop, anyone who does not consistently play there SIM Buddies in a lobby match can easily have feedback lower than 80 or 90%. I just started playing online a couple months ago and did not know the rules of feedback and how it worked oh well I could care less. But I have played lobby games against people with good feedback (80+ green face) who had no problem with the way I played, and left positive feedback. your boy mention in a PM he sent me right after the game he gave me neutral because of outs? Is that all no FG glitch or nano LB blitz....just outs. Oh well its old news now, we're just having a forum discussion. And you wanna know why you TWO can't say anything bad about me? It's because I didn't cheese or glitch in anyway. 100% straight up SIM baby don't be mad, it ain't like I beat you.:rotfl:

[amid]

my feedback is 73%(now) yellow face big whoop

headline news: if your feedback is 73%, you are far far from being considered a sim player... and with 73% fb and a yellow face... only losers will play you.

[s38s38s]

headline news: if your feedback is 73%, you are far far from being considered a sim player... and with 73% fb and a yellow face... only losers will play you.


Sure buddy. I don't care what you consider SIM I know football when I see it, I played in school and still play recreationally now. I don't need a game or feedback to dictate to me what SIM is. SIM can differ from player to player there is NO cut and dry definition of SIM. Period. And if you find a clear cut definition of SIM post it. Going for it on fourth is considered UNSIM, but honestly you can go for it if you want. It's preference. Also I've seen negative feedback given after a pick in the 1st and the guy who threw it quit, or when someone runs Hail Mary and Fleaflicker and gets shut down, and give negative. But I guess they considered my SIM til I stopped what they wanted to do. feedback is flawed period, and that's all there is to it.


... and with 73% fb and a yellow face... only losers will play you.

P.S.- So I guess when he sent me the challenge that makes him a loser. Thanks for proving my point.:rotfl:

[amid]

i don't play guys with yellow faces or low feedback (like you), however, i make exceptions for forum "friends"... at least once... but if they act like a madden player or some kid who only knows one play... it will never happen again... i just play grown ups. :rotfl: :rotfl:

[s38s38s]

... i just play grown ups. :rotfl: :rotfl:


Is 22 grown? Lets see I did four years in the Marines, went to Iraq, and now have my first child on the way I believe that classifies me as a grow ***** man:rotfl:

By the way I like how you jump to his defense, are you getting paid or is it voluntary?:rotfl:

[Changeup]

No it's not it's up to the defense to adjust to the offensive players style , there no imposing your will on defense in this game at all it's all about keeping the other guy honest and taking away his money plays.

If someone is gonna sit in Cover 2 i'm gonna keep running the ball up the gut until they change , then I audible and burn them deep lol.

[xManning1018x]

Is 22 grown? Lets see I did four years in the Marines, went to Iraq, and now have my first child on the way I believe that classifies me as a grow ***** man:rotfl:


It's hard to argue against 73% feedback. If 1 out of 4 players dislike how you play, you're certainly not sim. You should just give it up, it's not like you're going to demolish Val's credibility - I wish I could say the same for yourself. Five threads is enough.

[amid]

It's hard to argue against 73% feedback. If 1 out of 4 players dislike how you play, you're certainly not sim. You should just give it up, it's not like you're going to demolish Val's credibility - I wish I could say the same for yourself. Five threads is enough.

73% and a yellow face = no credibility

[s38s38s]

I'm not trying discredit him. That's not the idea, it's that I was accused of cheese on something that can easily be stopped is all this is about. I have no problem with him or any other player for that matter. But you do not know the private discussions me and him have had. And there are still no answers to my questions from him....


I'd honestly just like an answer is all. And I promise you there are people with low feedback who know how to play SIM...just because you have a high rating and a green smiley face doesn't guarantee Sim Play at all, it helps validate true, but it's like having a license to drive a car, but just because you don't have a license doesn't mean you don't know how to drive. it's all about perception fellas I'm sure he's a great SIM guy 96% green face, but what he said about me and to me was completely false and untrue and I did not agree with him at all. And the majority believe the same. Besides this thread was not about Feedback (nice distraction Tpat....mudslinging I like it) it's about ........
"Is it wrong to run the same play against the same defense? "




I think I'll bust out my moonwalk right..............here.:D

[amid]

you have no credibility and have shown your true character on this forum.

why should someone with a good rep, credibility and good character waste his time on someone with bad rep, no credibility and bad character (based on your threads)? he shouldn't... this is my last post to you (enough wasted time).

when you get banned from this site (the mods warned you and you have mocked them and thrown it in their face) you will be missed... not!

[s38s38s]

you have no credibility and have shown your true character on this forum.

why should someone with a good rep, credibility and good character waste his time on someone with bad rep, no credibility and bad character (based on your threads)? he shouldn't... this is my last post to you (enough wasted time).

when you get banned from this site (the mods warned you and you have mocked them and thrown it in their face) you will be missed... not!


This site means nothing to me Amid and I don't even know who you are.

[Lankylegz]

I wouldnt say S38S has bad character. I would say guys who cry cheese everytime they lose have bad character. I think everybody needs to know the guys who do that. Especially the football ignorant ones. How can you be "sim" without knowing anything about football? That puzzles me.

And again, this thread isn't about Valderez. We were just discussing the topic of the thread. If this offends you or your buddy then i guess the saying "truth hurts" is actually true. Does a millionaire take it personally if you call him poor?

[s38s38s]

I wouldnt say S38S has bad character. I would say guys who cry cheese everytime they lose have bad character. I think everybody needs to know the guys who do that. Especially the football ignorant ones. How can you be "sim" without knowing anything about football? That puzzles me.

And again, this thread isn't about Valderez. We were just discussing the topic of the thread. If this offends you or your buddy then i guess the saying "truth hurts" is actually true. Does a millionaire take it personally if you call him poor?


It would seem that the post has rubbed some people the wrong way Lanky, only those who refrain from making the adjustments seem to be the only ones who have an issue with the thread, I wonder why that is:eek:.:rotfl: I think they know deep inside. It isn't SIM to run THE SAME defense or a variation of it and expect to win or guard all routes consistently for that matter. (So please Amid, Tpat...lets stay on subject shall we, if not you don't have to post :D )

It's gone from topic to defending people not even involved in the thread, to being about my feedback, to credibility, to the moonwalk:eek: , when all its really about is " The Topic of The Thread " nothing more nothing less.

[Lankylegz]

Also about the rating thing... that doesn't matter. I have played guys with 60% that played as fair as can be. If you play alot of custom matches your going to get bad feedback just for winning alot of times. Feedback doesn't mean crap. This has already been discussed on these forums before.

[Lankylegz]

It would seem that the post has rubbed some people the wrong way Lanky, only those who refrain from making the adjustments seem to be the only ones who have an issue with the thread, I wonder why that is:eek:.:rotfl: I think they know deep inside. It isn't SIM to run THE SAME defense or a variation of it and expect to win or guard all routes consistently for that matter. (So please Amid, Tpat...lets stay on subject shall we, if not you don't have to post :D )

It's gone from topic to defending people not even involved in the thread, to being about my feedback, to credibility, to the moonwalk:eek: , when all its really about is " The Topic of The Thread " nothing more nothing less.


This is true. Lets stay on topic.

[tpaterniti]

73% and a yellow face = no credibility

It's interesting how the conversation changes when facts are injected into the discussion. I am not upset about anything. YOU are the one who started like 5 posts and send Val abusive messages on various forums and XBL over a neutral rating and for getting kicked out of a league you did not apply for in the first place. Let it go.

[Lankylegz]

Subject isn't changing. This thread was intended to discuss if it's wrong to run the same play against the same defense over and over again. We aren't here to discuss anything else. Like i said if these types of subjects offend certain people you dont have to read it or post on it.

You are on my friends list so i know you think i play fair which i do. My rating isnt so hot because i play custom matches. When you beat people they give you bad feedback just like your boy valderez now that you brought him up. Anyway, lets stay on topic. If you want to discuss S38S feedback please creat another thread on it.

I haven't heard you or Val give actual opinion on the subject. Can you please do so. Im interested to know what you guys think of it.

[s38s38s]

It's interesting how the conversation changes when facts are injected into the discussion. I am not upset about anything. YOU are the one who started like 5 posts and send Val abusive messages on various forums and XBL over a neutral rating and for getting kicked out of a league you did not apply for in the first place. Let it go.


Abusive man that is such a joke, but Tpat try to show some intelligence here and try to stay on subject, you need to quit attacking me and low feedback you're hurting my feelings:rotfl: Mods will hace to edit your posts if you keep attacking me like this.:D It's not very nice.

[tpaterniti]

I doubt it will be me that the mods address.

[s38s38s]

Smooch Tpat I love you man...seriously, you make it sound like we're running for President or something, its a game it's not so serious. If you don't like the thread you don't have to post or read them. But I guess you just couldn't help yourself, you keep on coming back.

[AlmightyMain]

Val does not run the same defense. Like me, he uses hot zones, man assignments, and hot blitzes to make his own play most of the time, so just because it looks like the same D doesn't mean it is. Give it a rest guys.


Yup. val caught me a few times in a game i played against him. I was thinking he came out in the same coverage and a backer was in a zone i thought was going to be empty on the previous play and wasn't. Needless to say the play didn't end well for me (though i don't think i threw any picks against him but my % was lame)

[Lankylegz]

Yup. val caught me a few times in a game i played against him. I was thinking he came out in the same coverage and a backer was in a zone i thought was going to be empty on the previous play and wasn't. Needless to say the play didn't end well for me (though i don't think i threw any picks against him but my % was lame)

I would have just ran short outs everyplay against his 4-3 coverage until he changed it. No point in trying something else. Do what the defense gives you. I think you would have had more success with that. Knowing Val though he would have made you feel super guilty for abusing his poor defense.

He isn't a terrible player just a little finatical about some things. He thinks it's unsim to throw to what the defense gives you. I disagree but he is entitled to his own opinion.