Gameplay issue????

[nflhitman]

I played a game with someone off of my friends list tonight and out of the 4 games we have played tonights game he did some glitchy crap. I think its glitchy but I would like to know if think it is glitchy. Here is my complaint.......

I have seen this done many times on kickoff's but never in regular game play. The issue is when a guy just presses his B button as fast as he can to switch defenders as much as possible to stop any of the AI to block them. This is done a lot on kickoffs and though I didn't like it I could live with it due to how powerful the Kick Return game is in APF. My problem is when I have Darryl Johnston, Matt Snell, Eric Green, Ben Coats, and John Taylor at WR with strength to block and nobody will pick up a block because of this guy pressing the B button to switch players over and over to confuse the blocking AI. He had Reggie White which is not a problem except when I have both of my RB's in max protect so I could pass. Matt Snell is the best Blocking RB in this game and Darryl Johnston is the Best FB blocking in this game and because of this button smasher on defense my guys acted dumbfounded and Reggie White would come untouched even in Max Protect with those RB's! I showed him on replay many times what his ******** was doing and he said he didn't know it was a glitch even though he has played over 1,000 games? I won't call him out on this forum but I would like to know everyone else's feeling's on this game play issue. When I say switch I mean in one play he would go through all 11 guys on defense multiple times by switching defenders as fast as he can to confuse them. I call this the flicker effect because thats is what it reminds me of.

[Gunther]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Id like to see this. Ive never heard of or noticed it and Ive played waaaay too many games.

[nflhitman]

This is the first time I have seen someone use it in regular game play. You have not seen people switch very fast there defenders on kickoffs before? Not saying change to one guy and then to the next guy because he is closer. I mean just mashing the B button and switching to every defender you can and aim your analog stick in the path of the ball carrier. If one of your guys are blocked it will cause them to be let free to the ball carrier every time. I showed him on a run play how his guy was blocked then after he started hitting his B button like mad they just stop blocking all together. Maybe because I will play anyone with feedback above 75% is why I see more of it I guess.

[nflhitman]

This disgusted me so much because I know how he plays and he is better than that crap that I just would kneel the ball in the 4th and give it back to him because I couldn't handle playing in it anymore. I just watched T.V. until it ended.

[Valdarez]

On the XBox 360, you hit B to cycle through players on the field, and to become the player closest to the ball. Are you sure he wasn't simply cycling through players to become a particular player, or to become the player closest to the ball? That's fairly standard play.

I haven't ever noticed this to be a problem, much less a bug in the game.

[Get Crazy]

I've noticed ppl doing this more often lately. A lot on kickoffs, not really attempting to make a tackle, jus rapidly pushing B until the play is over...its quite annoying

[Gunther]

damn this post is just gonna make it worse

[amid]

I think everyone switches to the nearest defender to either attempt to intercept/defend a pass or attempt a tackle. Even guys that control a safety that is 20 yards back will/should switch to the closest defender if it's a handoff or screen and it's 3rd and 7. On a sweep play, switching to the nearest defender will probably select many defenders as the HD runs across the field. Before the play I may switch between several guys... I may switch to Anderson who has signal stealer and then cycle thru and get to the LB I want to control on a certain play. After the snap, I want to get to the nearest defender to the ball carrier or to the pass defender (standard practice for many players). Who wants to control a LB on one side of the field when the ball carrier is running towards the opposite side of the field? We could let the computer make all the plays.

[SmallAlienGray]

You have a right to cycle to be a specific player. Stop crying cheese. If he was doing it to distract you lets say on a FG even then its not cheese just poor sportsmanships. Actually it might not be cheese but skill. If he times it he can always be the closest to the ball carrier. I lean torwards skill. close this thread.

[SmallAlienGray]

Why do people want the CPU to do all the work for them? "You can't manual blitz." Well then don't go in a 4-5 wideout in the 1st quarter. LOL jk

[SmallAlienGray]

We could let the computer make all the plays.

LOL. I swear chumps want you to play that way. Stop sacking me ect.

Well quit bombing to Rice and quit the flea flickering crap. I have a new team that brings pressure on the qb and I hear this alot.

[Get Crazy]

I don't think you guys are understanding what me and hitman are saying

They keep switching even AFTER they get to the guy nearest the ball and they'll continue doing it until the play is over, not attempting to make the tackle

switching to the guy nearest the ball is what you should do, but what we're saying is WAY different than that, if yal see it, then you'd know...I'm not saying its cheese b/c I haven't noticed anything happen during it, its jus annoying

[D0N V C0RLE0NE]

the worst is when its one on one and your opponent does NOT click in to make the tackle.

if i wanted to play against the AI id play offline.

get your stick skills up

[amid]

the worst is when its one on one and your opponent does NOT click in to make the tackle.

if i wanted to play against the AI id play offline.

get your stick skills up

that is the other option, don't select the player nearest the ball.

Get Crazy, agreed it is counterproductive, stupid, immature and annoying to just randomly cycle thru your defenders (on kickoffs, fg attempts or playing defense)... but on some plays (sweeps, attempting to tackle a scrambling QB, chasing down a rb running downfield) there will be switching of multiple defenders.

[nflhitman]

Lets be real here lol. First of all I have never since I have bought this game ever done a flea flicker so take that out of any argument that has me in it. 2nd you need to know exactly what im talking about not what you think im talking about. Switching to a defender closest to the ball is one thing but switching your defenders as fast as you can and pushing your analog stick towards the ball carrier will leave you unblocked. If are being blocked as soon as you press the B button to switch to that guy he will become unblocked. If your saying its being done to cycle through defenders to get to the guy closest to the ball I would say is right but explain this to me then..... I snap the ball he switches to Reggie White not 1 time or 2 or 3 or 4 times he switched to him as I counted during a replay 11 times as fast as he could so he would come in unblocked to the QB.

small***** guy oops I mean small alien guy you should know what your talking about before you post ******* remarks. When have you seen me on here posting anything about unsim game play? In fact I hardly ever have a problem with how someone plays but in this case it is a problem. If you need a little more proof of what I mean hit me up online and I will do to you exactly what he was doing to me. He knows what he was doing was wrong so please don't say its the normal game play. I have played well over 1,000 games myself so I know when something is normal and when something is not.

[amid]

If are being blocked as soon as you press the B button to switch to that guy he will become unblocked.

I snap the ball he switches to Reggie White not 1 time or 2 or 3 or 4 times he switched to him as I counted during a replay 11 times as fast as he could so he would come in unblocked to the QB.

this 1st statement can be tested "in the lab". everyone will find out this is not true. if this was true defenses would dominate in this game. i think all agree the offense dominates in this game.

on the 2nd statement: reggie white needs no help running untouched to the QB 1-3 times per game. he is a gold pick. hopefully your gold picks look superhuman for 1-3 plays per game.

[SmallAlienGray]

I don't think you guys are understanding what me and hitman are saying

They keep switching even AFTER they get to the guy nearest the ball and they'll continue doing it until the play is over, not attempting to make the tackle

switching to the guy nearest the ball is what you should do, but what we're saying is WAY different than that, if yal see it, then you'd know...I'm not saying its cheese b/c I haven't noticed anything happen during it, its jus annoying

But how would that help you? Not sure if it's a glitch or stupid.

[SmallAlienGray]

Lets be real here lol. First of all I have never since I have bought this game ever done a flea flicker so take that out of any argument that has me in it. 2nd you need to know exactly what im talking about not what you think im talking about. Switching to a defender closest to the ball is one thing but switching your defenders as fast as you can and pushing your analog stick towards the ball carrier will leave you unblocked. If are being blocked as soon as you press the B button to switch to that guy he will become unblocked. If your saying its being done to cycle through defenders to get to the guy closest to the ball I would say is right but explain this to me then..... I snap the ball he switches to Reggie White not 1 time or 2 or 3 or 4 times he switched to him as I counted during a replay 11 times as fast as he could so he would come in unblocked to the QB.

small***** guy oops I mean small alien guy you should know what your talking about before you post ******* remarks. When have you seen me on here posting anything about unsim game play? In fact I hardly ever have a problem with how someone plays but in this case it is a problem. If you need a little more proof of what I mean hit me up online and I will do to you exactly what he was doing to me. He knows what he was doing was wrong so please don't say its the normal game play. I have played well over 1,000 games myself so I know when something is normal and when something is not.

It's cool bro. No hard feelings. I will watch for it. I havn't played anyone that does it yet.

[nflhitman]

I showed you when I went to replay how your guys were blocked and then as you switched to them they suddenly shed there block and go towards the ball carrier. When anyone plays tjspeaks and he does this go to replay and look at the blocks or lack there of. Why else would this be done if there wasn't some BS happening. Just go to replay when he does this and you will see exactly what I am talking about. It doesn't matter I won't play you anymore as long as you do this. I am nobody in this game so im sure it doesn't matter to you but just stating the reason I won't play you now.

[nflhitman]

Everyone just do me a favor and if you see this even on kickoffs go to replay and watch how your AI won't block anyone and if they are blocked before the switch they will shed there blocker every time.

[amid]

I showed you when I went to replay how your guys were blocked and then as you switched to them they suddenly shed there block and go towards the ball carrier. When anyone plays tjspeaks and he does this go to replay and look at the blocks or lack there of. Why else would this be done if there wasn't some BS happening. Just go to replay when he does this and you will see exactly what I am talking about. It doesn't matter I won't play you anymore as long as you do this. I am nobody in this game so im sure it doesn't matter to you but just stating the reason I won't play you now.

you showed me 2 replays. 1. white throws a guy to the side and heads straight for the qb ...a gold DE should be able to do this 1-3 times a game... he is a gold pick. 2. you run a sweep. obviously switching to the closest defender will result in many defender selections since you are running across the field... no surprise.

almost everyone switches to the nearest defender. who are you going to play? you are better than me (you had beaten me 2 out of 3 before this game). i have had many bad games. i just think you were having a bad game, losing 24-0 in the 4th quarter and got frustrated. (I get frustrated too sometimes). Why else would this be done if there wasn't some BS happening.the reason i was able to shut you down is you had 2 gen WRs, and 2 legend TEs. Most of the time you only had one TE on the field. What did i do? I doubled and sometimes tripled your 1 TE and your HB... that's it. I would struggle with that offense.

I have played almost everyone on this forum and no one has ever had an issue with me switching to the nearest defender (since they probably do the same thing).

I respect you and respect your game and would be willing to play you again. if you choose not to play me, there's nothing i can do about it.

[nflhitman]

As I said before is that this was the 1st time I saw you do this. Reggie White came untouched in that relay with max protection with Darryl Johnston and Matt Snell the best Blocking backs in this game blocking for me and they looked dumbfounded by your 11 B button switches on Reggie. If you say you are trying to switch to the nearest ball carrier then why did you switch 11 times in that one replay on Reggie?

[nflhitman]

I stopped playing and was watching T.V. when you had the ball. Thats also the reason I kneeled the ball with 5 minutes left in the 4th Quarter and gave you the ball back. I would rather just get that game over with then to continue playing that BS.

[amid]

when reggie or any DE is free... they get to the qb in a split second... it would be physically impossible to hit the b button 11x in that time span. what advantage would that bring?

there was several switches in there. advantage gained - nothing. if i have multiple guys putting pressure on the qb, i will try to select the closest to the qb. often the qb scrambles for a big gain unless you select the closest man and dive to stop him. that's all there is to it hitman.

we have had good games. you beat me soundly a couple times. this team you fielded i was able to throw 2-3 guys on your 2 threats.

don't let 1 game mess up a gamer friendship (whatever that is worth). when you whipped me you liked my defense. ; )

[nflhitman]

You didn't do that crap in any game before that so please don't bring up how I didn't complain when I won LOL. When have I ever scrambled with my QB? I am a Pocket Passer.

[amid]

i have always switched to the nearest defender whether he is trying to sack the QB, tackle the ball carrier or defend the pass. that's all i did in this game hitman... trying to make a play.

[writer21]

The switching of the defenders rapidly goes back to earlier 2k games. So I wouldnt be surprised if it is true. But if that bothers you that much maybe you shouldn't play this game. Its fairly simple to get passed that.

[amid]

switching slow or switching rapidly... i explained my position in these posts. i have played over 1,000 games and no one else has an issue with it (that i know of). i am trying to get near the ball and make a play instead of allowing the computer to do whatever. hitman is a good guy, quality sim player. sorry about any frustration. gotta go!

[xManning1018x]

switching slow or switching rapidly... i am trying to get near the ball and make a play instead of allowing the computer to do whatever. hitman is a good guy, quality sim player. sorry about any frustration. gotta go!

Bye!!! ...What did I miss?

[Gunther]

I honestly think there is nothing to this.
I played a game tried hitting b real fast over and over all it got me was my azz kicked

[big_mac]

Yeah I've got to agree with Gunther. On the kickoffs, was it possible that when he was switching on & off defenders that it just happened to coincide with the defender getting off the block? I've played a few crappy players who go berserk with the change player on defense and it really doesn't seem to affect anything in a positive fashion. I won't totally rule it out though, I'll give it a try in my next game and see if I notice a difference.

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

i just do this becaus i don't try to tackle on kickoffs, i guess now i will just stay as the kicker.

[nflhitman]

Its not about switching as a defender to make a tackle. Its about Cycleing through your defenders as fast as you can to stop anyone from getting blocked.

[Get Crazy]

I jus deleted someone from my list today for this annoying nonsense

Come the **** on, stop switching and make the damn tackle already...**** is child's play

[amid]

I honestly think there is nothing to this.
I played a game tried hitting b real fast over and over all it got me was my azz kicked


This thread should have been...

is it cheese to double or triple team my 2 offensive threats?

that's the only reason the offense was shut down in this game.

switching to the closest defender does nothing but switches you to the closest defender... i do not rapidly cycle thru defenders. GET CRAZY i don't blame you... i would too. (although i think you made that up to try to fan the flame)

hitman, next time bring a team with more than 2 offensive threats and you'll beat me ... again

[brownster14]

I jus deleted someone from my list today for this annoying nonsense

Come the **** on, stop switching and make the damn tackle already...**** is child's play


sorry, please let me back on ur friends list. i wont do it again, promise!!!





:rotfl: :dance: :rotfl:
so who was it? ;)

[Get Crazy]

GET CRAZY i don't blame you... i would too. (although i think you made that up to try to fan the flame)

No flaming here. Clearly what you're saying you did is different than what I'm talking about.
Here's an example:

On a 20 yard play to the endzone, my HB breaks to the corner. There's 1 guy with the perfect angle on him, all ya gotta do is switch to him and chase him for 1 or 2 yards, then there's the wipe out tackle. And there's a guy almost 5 yards behind with NO angle at all. The dude switched between these 2 guys atleast 6 times instead of jus trying to make the tackle. Now experience this annoyance ALL GAME LONG, its jus child's play

Brownster, the dude was new to my list from the night before...his name was onecrusader of something like that.

[SmallAlienGray]

I agree gunther. This thread needs to be closed.

[amid]

No flaming here. Clearly what you're saying you did is different than what I'm talking about.
Here's an example:

On a 20 yard play to the endzone, my HB breaks to the corner. There's 1 guy with the perfect angle on him, all ya gotta do is switch to him and chase him for 1 or 2 yards, then there's the wipe out tackle. And there's a guy almost 5 yards behind with NO angle at all. The dude switched between these 2 guys atleast 6 times instead of jus trying to make the tackle. Now experience this annoyance ALL GAME LONG, its jus child's play.

OK, my apologies. You verify the point that engaging in said behavor is stupid and not effective. Switching to get to a HB on a sweep is effective (it will switch to 3-5 guys as he moves across the field). Switching between DLinemen to get to the QB is effective. You want to take control of the closest limeman to attempt a sack or leap for a deflection.

Again, Hitman is a good guy and a good player. I have no problem with him bringing this up. I am just trying to clearly state what I was doing (which is what I have always done).

[s38s38s]

Atleast he didn't just kick to the corner, what yard line were you averaging a return to I'm just curious. I can't see the "Flicker Effect" being that big of an advantage.

[nflhitman]

I kick off straight down the middle if your asking me.

[ulose22]

Atleast he didn't just kick to the corner, what yard line were you averaging a return to I'm just curious. I can't see the "Flicker Effect" being that big of an advantage.

From my experience this definitely has no effect, on my first (and only) test of this the kick was returned for a touchdown and the returner wasn't even touched.

[LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS]

I just tried it against the CPU, and it doesn't work.

[amid]

all the votes are in and selecting the closest defender to the ball (slowly or rapidly) brings no advantage or benefit... from the replies... it looks like switching rapidly may bring bad results. i have had one bad game and looked for a reason to give someone a negative (once or twice)... so i do not judge/fault you. Hitman, I hope you will judge me on our 4 games (and the other 1,000 I played) not on 2 replays that you thought I was attempting a (non existent) glitch. I respect you and would welcome future games with you. Bring an offense with more than 2 threats and you’ll beat me (again).

,peace

[SmallAlienGray]

It sounds like a conspiracy theory. Where's Alex Jones when we need him? LOL

[amid]

It sounds like a conspiracy theory. Where's Alex Jones when we need him? LOL

Whatever happened to Alex Jones and RainboWarior? My conspiracy theory is they are playing Madden right now. ; )

[xiv_R_A_I_D_E_R_]

I played a guy once who did this on kick-offs & during defense he was also doing some other BS on offense like no huddle,cadence abuse flea-flicker

[amid]

NFLHitman,

did we ever resolve this? I did not glitch you. All the replies state this is not a glitch (even if someone would hit B repeatedly... everyone knows i don't). The two replays you showed were plays that I switched multiple times on (ever sweep and sometimes when multiple linemen are approaching the QB).

i received about 50 positives in a row before your negative and about 30 in a row after our game. i have played almost everyone in this forum and you are the only person who has ever stated they will not play me again.

is this resolved?

[nflhitman]

Im over it. I still say its a glitch and you never did that before in any of our games.

[amid]

OK man... you're a great player and i enjoy matching up against you.

,peace