Ty Law?

[Marc123]

i was havin a discussion w/ a friend of mine. since Ty is gettin up there and my retire soon. so we were sayin Is Law a Gold or Silver CB. dude was a shut down corner durin the early Pats superbowl runs.

so what do yall say?? and his atributes?

i'd go w/ SILVER - Ball Hawk, Bump N Run, Coverage Bonus and Wrap Up Tackler.

[Get Crazy]

Gold

Ball hawk
Coverage
Bump master
Wrap up
Return specialist (something like this b/c he always took an int to the house)

[SmallAlienGray]

Gold

Ball hawk
Coverage
Bump master
Wrap up
Return specialist (something like this b/c he always took an int to the house)

Does Return Specialist effect an INT return???? I am a huge Patriots fan dating back to 85 and I don't remember Ty Law returning that many INT's. SBB XXXII he recovered a fumble for a TD not an INT. He had at least 5 against Manning alone in a two year period but I don't think any of them where for returns.

[SmallAlienGray]

I would go

Ball Hawk
Bump Master
Wrap up
Strength
Leadership

[SmallAlienGray]

My favorite Pats team was the 2004 team with Law and Tyrone Poole at corners. Plus they had big Ted Washington at DT in his prime.

2004 was better than any other Pats team. Even this last year.
2004 statistically ranks up there with the 85 Bears.

[alfram]

i was havin a discussion w/ a friend of mine. since Ty is gettin up there and my retire soon. so we were sayin Is Law a Gold or Silver CB. dude was a shut down corner durin the early Pats superbowl runs.

so what do yall say?? and his atributes?

i'd go w/ SILVER - Ball Hawk, Bump N Run, Coverage Bonus and Wrap Up Tackler.

That's pretty accurate.Personally, I would make him gold and add strength bonus.If you've seen some footage of his Bump N Run style, then you'd know what I am talking about.My oppinion is biased however since I am a huge Ty Law fan.

[SmallAlienGray]

He would be Lester Hayes but with Ball Hawk as well. I would'nt give him Coverage Bonus because he used to get burned by fast recievers. Ty was a big corner ( as in weight) That's why the Pats always had there speed burner corner on the other end.

[Gunther]

In his Patriot days I would say......

Signal Stealer! :rotfl:
Wrap up tackler
Quick Feet
Coverage Bonus
Strength Bonus

[Get Crazy]

This is a thread about Ty Law, not which pats team was best...ty law also played for the jets and chiefs...the man gets TDs...besides, I said return specialist OR something like that...anywho, it can be erased completely for leadership.

Speed burner and coverage are 2 different attributes, they're not one of the same in apf, so yes, he can have coverage, which he so rightfully deserves

I should know...I'm a Colts fan and he's my Peyton's favorite receiver no matter what team he's on

[QBGURU]

Gotta go Gold. Ty Law is a beast.

[sockcornnoodles]

When I first saw this this I would have said gold, but after compareing him to Rod Woodson, I would have to say silver.
_____________Law:_____Woodson:
INT------------52---------71
INT YARDS-----791--------1,493*
TDS-----------7-----------12*
PRO BOWLS----5----------11
RINGS----------3----------0
* = NFL record

Now I know Law has the rings, however, they are under investigation for cheating, but Woodson was also a defensive player of the year unlike Law.

As for abilities:
Ball Hawk
Bump N' Run
Coverage Bonus
Wrap Up Tackler
Strength Bonus

[theshiznetno1]

Weren't they also different types of DB's? Woodson also played S too.

[SmallAlienGray]

This is a thread about Ty Law, not which pats team was best...ty law also played for the jets and chiefs...the man gets TDs...besides, I said return specialist OR something like that...anywho, it can be erased completely for leadership.

Speed burner and coverage are 2 different attributes, they're not one of the same in apf, so yes, he can have coverage, which he so rightfully deserves

I should know...I'm a Colts fan and he's my Peyton's favorite receiver no matter what team he's on

Why does change of topic within a thread bother you so much?

[sockcornnoodles]

Weren't they also different types of DB's? Woodson also played S too.
True, but his stats are still more similar to the silver CBs than the gold. I chose Woodson because he was the closest to Law in terms of playing era.

[Marc123]

When I first saw this this I would have said gold, but after compareing him to Rod Woodson, I would have to say silver.
_____________Law:_____Woodson:
INT------------52---------71
INT YARDS-----791--------1,493*
TDS-----------7-----------12*
PRO BOWLS----5----------11
RINGS----------3----------0
* = NFL record

Now I know Law has the rings, however, they are under investigation for cheating, but Woodson was also a defensive player of the year unlike Law.

As for abilities:
Ball Hawk
Bump N' Run
Coverage Bonus
Wrap Up Tackler
Strength Bonus

yep. when u put Law up against the current Gold corners in the game. is he in the same breathe as them?? am i fan of Law. but i say no........the only 2 corners i can name off the top my head that be shoe in's for Gold CB are Deion Sanders and Darrell Green.

Law is a above average ailver CB. like if were to be added today. he would be the "best" silver CB in the game.

thx for all the responses.

[Get Crazy]

Why compare him to ONLY woodson...why not put up the stats of the other 3 gold CBs

[QBGURU]

Hmmmmm... okay... I'll just add these points...

If you go purely on registered stats and awards for a CB then you're not really looking at the number of variables involved for that position. For a big one, shutdown corners are not thrown at very often, and even less so in this era for some reason. I'd say the great "fear" of throwing in an SDC's direction probably exploded after '95. Ty Law's career didn't start until '95, yet he still managed to pick off 50+ passes.

The other point is that while Rod Woodson registered a lot of regular season INT's, Ty Law did his in big games where Rod pretty much didn't. And Ty did this routinely against top QB's, Rod did at times get picked apart by mediocre QB's in the playoffs.

Rod Woodson played 15 seasons. Ty law, 13. And Rod certainly didn't play as well in the playoffs as Ty Law has. It's not even a contest. If anything, Ty Law's legacy will be that he stepped up biggest when it mattered most (playoffs) and changed World Championship games (Super Bowl 36). Rod never did anything like that.

[sockcornnoodles]

Why compare him to ONLY woodson...why not put up the stats of the other 3 gold CBs
I chose Woodson because he was the closest to Law in terms of playing era.
But okay,
Willie Brown:
INT---------54
INT YARDS--472
TDS--------2
PRO BOWLS-9
RINGS------0
AFL All-Time Team

Mike Haynes:
INT---------46
INT YARDS--688
TDS--------2
PRO BOWLS-9
RINGS------0
Defensive Rookie of the Year, 1976

**** Lane:
INT---------68
INT YARDS--1,207
TDS--------5
PRO BOWLS-7
RINGS-------0
NFL record 14 INTs in one season

But like I said, these guys played in a different era, including Willie Brown who played before the merger.

[sockcornnoodles]

While I'm at it, here's the silver CBs stats:

Lem Barney:
INT---------56
INT YARDS--1,077
TDS--------7
PRO BOWLS-7
RINGS------0
NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year, 1967

Lester Hayes:
INT---------39
INT YARDS--572
TDS--------4
PRO BOWLS-5
RINGS------0
NFL Defensive Player of the Year, 1980

Mel Renfro:
INT---------52
INT YARDS--626
TDS--------3
PRO BOWLS-10
RINGS------0

Roger Wehrli:
INT---------40
INT YARDS--898
TDS--------9
PRO BOWLS-7
RINGS------0

You know what, I really don't care enough to get in some stupid argument whether Law was is a gold or a silver. That was just my opinion, here are the stats.

Oh, and QBGURU, stats are very important to a professional player's legacy, but I'm not saying they're the only thing. I know being clutch and being a leader are factors that play into where they are ranked all time. But, 20, 30, years down the line, when people want to know who was better, they'll look at the stats. Unless you're a QB, being clutch will be forgotten, but stats will always define you.

[nyknicks33]

For the purposes of creating him in this game...you'd kinda have to make him a gold in order to get him right.

If I was going to treat him like a "legend" he'd be silver in my mind. Gold guys should be the top half dozen or so guys to ever play their position.

And another thing. We tend to over magnify the postseason somewhat. It a piece of an entire whole. Ricky Manning Jr. had some monster post season games..no one talks about him as a pro bowl caliber corner, let alone HOF'er. Some great players have had some non descript postseasons, and lesser players tend to get overrated because of great post seasons.

The all time great who has great post season #'s is much rarer then people think.

[sockcornnoodles]

For the purposes of creating him in this game...you'd kinda have to make him a gold in order to get him right.

If I was going to treat him like a "legend" he'd be silver in my mind. Gold guys should be the top half dozen or so guys to ever play their position.

And another thing. We tend to over magnify the postseason somewhat. It a piece of an entire whole. Ricky Manning Jr. had some monster post season games..no one talks about him as a pro bowl caliber corner, let alone HOF'er. Some great players have had some non descript postseasons, and lesser players tend to get overrated because of great post seasons.

The all time great who has great post season #'s is much rarer then people think.
Well said. I agree with you completely.:thumbsup:

[QBGURU]

Oh, and QBGURU, stats are very important to a professional player's legacy, but I'm not saying they're the only thing. I know being clutch and being a leader are factors that play into where they are ranked all time. But, 20, 30, years down the line, when people want to know who was better, they'll look at the stats. Unless you're a QB, being clutch will be forgotten, but stats will always define you.

Well, some of the guys you mentioned there don't have as great of stats as Woodson, but I dare say that quite a few of those names actually come up in conversation before Woodson. That might change when he gets into the hall however.

And you're right... Clutch is a bigger QB attribute. But it's going to be awfully hard to forget Ty Law picking off a pass in the Super Bowl and taking it for 6. After all, they replay those highlights about a billion times, lol.

[QBGURU]

The all time great who has great post season #'s is much rarer then people think.

That's why Law is the exception. He's played well in the regular season and then turned it up another notch in the postseason.

I do wonder who people consider great in this era, because people seem to cast a negative shadow on just about all of our era's greatest players. If these were sports articles from major newspapers and I was reading some of the things said in 2008 and it was 2048, I'd think almost everybody from this era stunk, lol.

[LSUTIGERSPHXSUNS]

Modern players are sooo much better than the 1940-60s players. These days, players are faster, stronger, smarter, bigger, more agile, quicker. If you took any player in the modern game and put him in the 1940-60s, he would dominate.

[nyknicks33]

That's why Law is the exception. He's played well in the regular season and then turned it up another notch in the postseason.

I do wonder who people consider great in this era, because people seem to cast a negative shadow on just about all of our era's greatest players. If these were sports articles from major newspapers and I was reading some of the things said in 2008 and it was 2048, I'd think almost everybody from this era stunk, lol.

Well, I think part of is that the way the game is played is so different then it was 10 years ago, let alone 20. You cant win a superbowl with a guy like trent dilfer anymore in my opinion..unless you have just an all time caliber defense (which of course, he did)..the offenses today are just too complex and all of the rules changes have been universally in favor of the offense. You cannot touch a WR anymore..these guys just run free through the secondary.

A guy like Lester Hayes couldnt play the way he did with todays rules because he would be flagged for defensive holding every play. In his day you could basically shove a reciever straight to the ground.

The best CB's Ive personally ever seen are:

Rod Woodson (Woodson isnt near good enough in this game in my opinion. I actually think he plays much better when put at FS. He was on of the very best athletes in the entire league..and there was nothing he couldnt do at the positon)

Darryl Green-Deion without the Neon

Deion Sanders-Best "cover" guy Ive seen

Eric Allen-underrated..he was a tremendous player

Champ Bailey- I put him ahead of law because I think he is a superior coverage guy, and he is also a dang fine run support player

Ty Law- Physical, tough, played great in big games.

Aeneas Williams-spent his best years innear total obscurity with the dang cardinals

[Marc123]

^^ i agree w/ what u said about Rod. when u pick ur spots, u can beat Rod in 1-1 man coverage.

in the game. he his much better in zone. he gets his most of his ints when he is helpin on the other cb's wr.

[kcxiv]

In his Patriot days I would say......

Signal Stealer! :rotfl:
Wrap up tackler
Quick Feet
Coverage Bonus
Strength Bonus
You have to put bump and run in there. He's the reason why the NFL reinforced the 5 yard rule. He was a monster in his younger years.

[KingJames77]

neone think clutch would be needed bc of his ability to step it up when it counts or??