Sim believers = cheese

[Phillip A Bole]

Hi folks, here's my contention:

Most of you who say you play Sim don't really play sim, you just want to pretend. You talk about all these other things, but when it comes down to it and you're rolling out in the pocket and ready to get crushed, you still chuck it downfield like some wannabe even when your guy is covered, double covered, or mass covered. Likely it'll be tipped away so you say the hell with it and chuck it.

I've played two players who actually throw the ball away, out of bounds, when no one is open. S38S, and LankyLegs. I should add Numbski in there because he'll actually take a sack before throwing it without knowing for sure.

The rest of ya'll are chuckers.

I'm tired of everyone acting so high and mighty when it comes to this game. I do, certainly, in regards to sim. I think I play sim, I'll say that tomorrow also when this post is done and so will everyone else. But the fact is it isn't sim unless you play all sim all the way. Those 3 players do that.

S38S and Lanky don't give a crap. They know they'll move the ball later, they punt when needed, they don't go for it on 4th downs, and they'll toss it out of bounds in dire straights. I don't see other people doing that crap.

Numbski will take a sack rather than throw it if he's not sure. I know some of you like to bag on Numski, but he's way more sim than most folks.

Point is, I see too many people bagging on these players, and I've played them numerous times and it gets tiring to read all the drivel. Players who haven't even played them opine about their usefulness, whether or not they cheese...give me a break, play them and find out.

Sim Nazi's need to chill unless they're willing to play all sim and do as these players have done and play true sim. S38S and Lanky obviously are ranked highly...Numbski is not, but he's just as sim as the other two. People may not like his style of play...you know what? You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. It's designed to unnerve you, make you annoyed, **** you off, make you impatient...but NOTHING he does is cheese or unsim. I'm honestly sick of hearing about it. It's a pain to play against, but honestly, at the end of the game, I can honestly say with all 3 of them that I played a game of football. Period.

[s38s38s]

Hi folks, here's my contention:

Most of you who say you play Sim don't really play sim, you just want to pretend. You talk about all these other things, but when it comes down to it and you're rolling out in the pocket and ready to get crushed, you still chuck it downfield like some wannabe even when your guy is covered, double covered, or mass covered. Likely it'll be tipped away so you say the hell with it and chuck it.

I've played two players who actually throw the ball away, out of bounds, when no one is open. S38S, and LankyLegs. I should add Numbski in there because he'll actually take a sack before throwing it without knowing for sure.

The rest of ya'll are chuckers.

I'm tired of everyone acting so high and mighty when it comes to this game. I do, certainly, in regards to sim. I think I play sim, I'll say that tomorrow also when this post is done and so will everyone else. But the fact is it isn't sim unless you play all sim all the way. Those 3 players do that.

S38S and Lanky don't give a crap. They know they'll move the ball later, they punt when needed, they don't go for it on 4th downs, and they'll toss it out of bounds in dire straights. I don't see other people doing that crap.

Numbski will take a sack rather than throw it if he's not sure. I know some of you like to bag on Numski, but he's way more sim than most folks.

Point is, I see too many people bagging on these players, and I've played them numerous times and it gets tiring to read all the drivel. Players who haven't even played them opine about their usefulness, whether or not they cheese...give me a break, play them and find out.

Sim Nazi's need to chill unless they're willing to play all sim and do as these players have done and play true sim. S38S and Lanky obviously are ranked highly...Numbski is not, but he's just as sim as the other two. People may not like his style of play...you know what? You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. It's designed to unnerve you, make you annoyed, **** you off, make you impatient...but NOTHING he does is cheese or unsim. I'm honestly sick of hearing about it. It's a pain to play against, but honestly, at the end of the game, I can honestly say with all 3 of them that I played a game of football. Period.


With all that being said, I bet many would be surprised that my feedback is 73% Yellow face, and Lank's is 75% Yellow face, Numbski I'm not a hundred % but I think its lower than mine. This is a perfect example of how your glorious feedback system is way over rated. I've played guys in the mid 80's who cheese all game, ex: kanoa, choke dogg, rockwithtebest (he wasn't so bad) but still cheese. Point is you never really know what you're gonna get but don't be so quick to judge, especially without ever playing them and just going off speculation on how their team is built, or their favorite hot routes.:rolleyes:

[alliance4g63]

And you have never played me so I guess I'm just a double coverage chunker with 95% feedback.. Worst logic ever............

[Tuboware67]

Hi folks, here's my contention:

Most of you who say you play Sim don't really play sim, you just want to pretend. You talk about all these other things, but when it comes down to it and you're rolling out in the pocket and ready to get crushed, you still chuck it downfield like some wannabe even when your guy is covered, double covered, or mass covered. Likely it'll be tipped away so you say the hell with it and chuck it.

I've played two players who actually throw the ball away, out of bounds, when no one is open. S38S, and LankyLegs. I should add Numbski in there because he'll actually take a sack before throwing it without knowing for sure.

The rest of ya'll are chuckers.

I'm tired of everyone acting so high and mighty when it comes to this game. I do, certainly, in regards to sim. I think I play sim, I'll say that tomorrow also when this post is done and so will everyone else. But the fact is it isn't sim unless you play all sim all the way. Those 3 players do that.

S38S and Lanky don't give a crap. They know they'll move the ball later, they punt when needed, they don't go for it on 4th downs, and they'll toss it out of bounds in dire straights. I don't see other people doing that crap.

Numbski will take a sack rather than throw it if he's not sure. I know some of you like to bag on Numski, but he's way more sim than most folks.

Point is, I see too many people bagging on these players, and I've played them numerous times and it gets tiring to read all the drivel. Players who haven't even played them opine about their usefulness, whether or not they cheese...give me a break, play them and find out.

Sim Nazi's need to chill unless they're willing to play all sim and do as these players have done and play true sim. S38S and Lanky obviously are ranked highly...Numbski is not, but he's just as sim as the other two. People may not like his style of play...you know what? You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. It's designed to unnerve you, make you annoyed, **** you off, make you impatient...but NOTHING he does is cheese or unsim. I'm honestly sick of hearing about it. It's a pain to play against, but honestly, at the end of the game, I can honestly say with all 3 of them that I played a game of football. Period.

Youve never played me, very rarely do I throw into double coverage. Many, many other poeple on the board will be able to tell you this is true. I generally dont even leave the pocket unless I absolutely have to and even then I usually have a fb or hb open to dump it off to before I take a sack.

And how is chucking it into triple or double coverage not sim? You mustve not seen Rex Grossman, Carson Palmer (although usually a very good QB, he had a rough year), Tavaris Jackson, Brett Favre (notorious for throwing into coverage), hell even Super Bowl hero Eli Manning, play this year. They ALL have thrown bad passes under pressure, that the point of getting pressure on the QB. And yes, of course they throw the ball away, but we all know video football and the real game are different. You get way more possessions in a real game than you do in video football, so sometimes you have to force things in and take more risks in video football.

[BofaDeezNutts]

Phillip,

I agree with you 100% and you and I have always had very close battles.

But, if there is one thing I don't really like about this game it is that there is very little risk in passing the ball. Why do you think 90% of the teams are setup as passing teams these days.

But, what I mean by the fact that passing the ball is a very low risk way to play this game is that:

A.) You very rarely see a QB fumble when he gets sacked.....2K5 mimics real life better in this department because, when the QB gets hit, he actually fumbles sometimes, just like real life.

B.) Throwing the ball away in this game is a little "iffy" too because, not once have I ever seen a QB get called for intentional grounding.........in 2K5 and real life if the QB does not get out of the pocket before throwing the ball away, he gets an intentional grounding penalty.


Those are only 2 reasons why people create such pass heavy teams.

p.s. This little rant doesn't really have to do alot with this thread but, when I seen the "throwing ball away" and "taking sacks" comment it just reminded me of a couple reasons why this game could be better.....this rant is directed at nobody.....just this game:)

[Phillip A Bole]

With all that being said, I bet many would be surprised that my feedback is 73% Yellow face, and Lank's is 75% Yellow face, Numbski I'm not a hundred % but I think its lower than mine. This is a perfect example of how your glorious feedback system is way over rated. I've played guys in the mid 80's who cheese all game, ex: kanoa, choke dogg, rockwithtebest (he wasn't so bad) but still cheese. Point is you never really know what you're gonna get but don't be so quick to judge, especially without ever playing them and just going off speculation on how their team is built, or their favorite hot routes.:rolleyes:

Honestly, I'm not at all surprised that your feedback, or Lanky's or Numbski's is so low. I would expect it. I kept a tab last week of all my games, every one of them. Against cheesers, which was surprisingly low (maybe 1/3 or 33% of my games) I received negative feedback in 100% of those games, regardless of the outcome (although most were opponent quits). Against straight up players, if they were losing, I got a 50% negative feedback (finished game). However, in games I lost, I got a 100% positive feedback...and I didn't change my play style at all.

[Phillip A Bole]

Youve never played me, very rarely do I throw into double coverage. Many, many other poeple on the board will be able to tell you this is true. I generally dont even leave the pocket unless I absolutely have to and even then I usually have a fb or hb open to dump it off to before I take a sack.

And how is chucking it into triple or double coverage not sim? You mustve not seen Rex Grossman, Carson Palmer (although usually a very good QB, he had a rough year), Tavaris Jackson, Brett Favre (notorious for throwing into coverage), hell even Super Bowl hero Eli Manning, play this year. They ALL have thrown bad passes under pressure, that the point of getting pressure on the QB. And yes, of course they throw the ball away, but we all know video football and the real game are different. You get way more possessions in a real game than you do in video football, so sometimes you have to force things in and take more risks in video football.

I agree with alot of that. All I would say is that Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, and even Tom Brady only throw into double or triple coverage maybe once per game. To loosten the defense and make them play honest. That isn't the same as having no one open every play and chucking it anyway. The players I mentioned don't do that.

[Phillip A Bole]

Phillip,

I agree with you 100% and you and I have always had very close battles.

But, if there is one thing I don't really like about this game it is that there is very little risk in passing the ball. Why do you think 90% of the teams are setup as passing teams these days.

But, what I mean by the fact that passing the ball is a very low risk way to play this game is that:

A.) You very rarely see a QB fumble when he gets sacked.....2K5 mimics real life better in this department because, when the QB gets hit, he actually fumbles sometimes, just like real life.

B.) Throwing the ball away in this game is a little "iffy" too because, not once have I ever seen a QB get called for intentional grounding.........in 2K5 and real life if the QB does not get out of the pocket before throwing the ball away, he gets an intentional grounding penalty.


Those are only 2 reasons why people create such pass heavy teams.

p.s. This little rant doesn't really have to do alot with this thread but, when I seen the "throwing ball away" and "taking sacks" comment it just reminded me of a couple reasons why this game could be better.....this rant is directed at nobody.....just this game:)

Your point is well taken. The times I saw S38S and Lanky throw the ball away was outside of the pocket, like in real football, when no one was open. And it didn't happen alot, don't get me wrong, but if no one was open and they were rolling, they did it, I think only one time each, maybe twice. I don't recall it happening in the pocket at all...but rolling out. Don't tell me that isn't class or sim. That's extreme baller man.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^
I agree with you. Like I said my comments were aimed strictly at this game and the fact it is screwed up in may ways. But, it is still my favorite football game of all time.

[Phillip A Bole]

And please trust me, there's nothing more, I don't know, heartbreaking, than playing on 3rd and 3 and seeing one of them throw the ball away, or even punt on 4th down because you know they're thinking they're going to get the ball back. It's very disheartening. They play straight up. It's very hard to beat. They don't panic. Ever.

It's the case of acting like you've been there before. They all know they're getting to the end zone eventually. So even when I hold 'em I'm not happy. Punts don't make me happy against these dudes, not like when I play other people.

[Phillip A Bole]

^^^
I agree with you. Like I said my comments were aimed strictly at this game and the fact it is screwed up in may ways. But, it is still my favorite football game of all time.

You're a straight up, class act also, and very very good in your own right freak. You're too sim to even describe.

[BenRThaG.O.A.T]

Flavoooooooooooorrrrrr Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave!

[alliance4g63]

Phillip,

I agree with you 100% and you and I have always had very close battles.

But, if there is one thing I don't really like about this game it is that there is very little risk in passing the ball. Why do you think 90% of the teams are setup as passing teams these days.

But, what I mean by the fact that passing the ball is a very low risk way to play this game is that:

A.) You very rarely see a QB fumble when he gets sacked.....2K5 mimics real life better in this department because, when the QB gets hit, he actually fumbles sometimes, just like real life.

B.) Throwing the ball away in this game is a little "iffy" too because, not once have I ever seen a QB get called for intentional grounding.........in 2K5 and real life if the QB does not get out of the pocket before throwing the ball away, he gets an intentional grounding penalty.




Good words.

That is the reason why I stopped playing the game. I've have some great games with people here but the game is just unbearable to the point where I receive little enjoyment when I play.

If this game just punished bad throws slightly better it would be an entirely new ball game. I've tried every combination I can think of on defense to be a true shutdown defense and probably had my best success with bronze defenders(shows how flawed the game is).

I have never thrown the ball away because 95% of the time someone is open. It seems no one is truely covered in this game, if they are maximum passing usually takes care of that.

[Oldkingsman]

Even though Mr Bole has been a "Pennis" to me for no reason that i can think of in the past, i will have to agree with him in regards to "Numbski" i didn't like his syle of play but he played a straight up game of football!
(GT Shield of honor)
I gave him good feedback.
He did likewise.

Good football. No cheese.

Why is this concept so hard for people to understand?? Cheese is not needed to win. You will never really be any good at this game if all you do is use cheese and gimmicks (a.i. abuse) People are kidding themselves with Staments like "I am the Best" or "The most sim player ever" until you play them and find they are straight up SWISS.

SAD.:(

[JHova1982]

With all that being said, I bet many would be surprised that my feedback is 73% Yellow face, and Lank's is 75% Yellow face, Numbski I'm not a hundred % but I think its lower than mine. This is a perfect example of how your glorious feedback system is way over rated. I've played guys in the mid 80's who cheese all game, ex: kanoa, choke dogg, rockwithtebest (he wasn't so bad) but still cheese. Point is you never really know what you're gonna get but don't be so quick to judge, especially without ever playing them and just going off speculation on how their team is built, or their favorite hot routes.:rolleyes:

u slick with that last sentence s38. i know that was a shot at me but its cool, nice blow.

i dont consider myself a sim baller, or a cheese baller, just a BALLER who knows american football and knows what style i like to play. My feedback is 90% cause my gameplay style only sore losers and whiners would get mad at and give me a negative or neutral. I have the most unused style on 2k8, the running game style, and i mean your RB getting 15-25 carries and if your running game not clicking then u better hope your defense helps you.

i have a green smiley face cause i dont care how u play, you can do whatever u need to do win the football game cause its my job to stop your gameplan and for my gameplan to win. As long u finish the game u get a positive, neutral for disconnects thats looks legit, negatives for quitters, thats my system. i do know what exploits are in this game, and that hot route corner is one of them, so if i see someone doing it aggressively i just fight fire with fire and exploit back.

when i play i try to avoid the yellow or red faces. like i said i dont care how u play so your percentage dont mean nothing to me but how u rate people is what i pay attention to. so if i see someone with 75& FB with a 46% rating history i wont play them. if i see someone with a 75% with a 80% rating history i would play them

[nflhitman]

You haven't played me :( I throw the ball away or take a sack also. I too am tired of the retarded game AI at times and that is why in my NFL Champions league the offensive sliders are turned down to zero while every defensive slider including Interceptions and Fumbles are turned all the way up to 100. Try these sliders and you will be surprised. It's funny when I throw the ball away and my opponent ask what button do I use to throw it away LOL. For the record your left trigger will throw the ball away for you. I have 92% feedback and really don't care if I win or lose I just want to have a good game. I would rather lose by 3 points on a last second FG than win by 40.

SIM is basically in the eye of the beholder LOL. So many people claim SIM but what is SIM to them probably won't be to the next guy. Wreck1Wreckall is a great player but he thought I cheesed by putting my Legends on my Special teams LOL. I see many real NFL teams do this also. Like I said SIM is in the eye of the beholder.

[BofaDeezNutts]

^^^We played the other day and I enjoyed it.....good game. :thumbsup:

Since you say you throw it away more than the usual gamer, maybe you have seen an intentional grounding call?

[nflhitman]

^^^We played the other day and I enjoyed it.....good game. :thumbsup:

Since you say you throw it away more than the usual gamer, maybe you have seen an intentional grounding call?

No I have never seen it and it could be called a glitch if you throw it away with out being outside the tackle box. If I am in the tackle box I take the sack but if I am rolling out I will throw it away. There are a lot of penalties in this game that shouldn't be in it and a lot that should be. I don't know how many times I got a penalty or my opponent got a penalty on the last play of a half or game. With this penalty should also come 1 un timed down for the offense but it never does it. What about you playing as a CB. Safety, or a LB and you go to Intercept the ball while your player is totally facing the ball and the play and they call a pass interference penalty when the defense has as much right to the ball as the offense in that situation. LOL. Anyway.... I have not seen a intentional Grounding penalty in this game at all.

[nyknicks33]

And please trust me, there's nothing more, I don't know, heartbreaking, than playing on 3rd and 3 and seeing one of them throw the ball away, or even punt on 4th down because you know they're thinking they're going to get the ball back. It's very disheartening. They play straight up. It's very hard to beat. They don't panic. Ever.

It's the case of acting like you've been there before. They all know they're getting to the end zone eventually. So even when I hold 'em I'm not happy. Punts don't make me happy against these dudes, not like when I play other people.


Personally, I'll take whatever stop i can get, but I get your point :) :thumbsup:

I will say this though..a lot of people who think of themselves as offensive gurus in this game..would be singing a different tune if there was more of a penalty for throwing into double coverage, and matching up generic o-linemen against reggie white

[Gunther]

I cant believe I didnt make the list!!?!?!?

Philip!?!?!?!

[Numbski]

pwned?


j/k :)

Wow, so much to say on this topic and so little time, so I won't try. Much of what is being said here is right on the money. Honestly, the only reason I don't throw the ball away more is that half the time when I try, it doesn't work...which may be me with a broken controller (it's been thrown a few times...)

Interesting point about taking sacks rather than chucking it downfield. The reason with me is pretty simple - I have generic receivers and TE's. If they're not open, they're not going to catch it. It forces me to be super-disciplined on what passes I put out there. I scream a bit inside when I accidentally hit the wrong button and lob it to a guy that was supposed to be a check-down and he happens to be double or even single covered tightly. Nothing good can come of it with generics. :P I do that more often than I care to admit on a few plays, where the button assignments aren't quite what I was expecting them to be.

Most teams have star receivers, and not only can they get away with chucking it out there, they're planning on it from the time the ball is snapped, they're locked onto that receiver - no progression, no worries. In my situation, I've almost got my progression down to a science, and on some plays where I know I won't have a lot of time, I have a two step progression - is he open? check it off, etc.

Anyway, I don't expect anyone else to willfully play with the kind of team that I do, but I'd encourage you to do it offline as a practice exercise. With star receivers I can run up the score almost at will now. I will tell you that few things will take an opponent off their game like not being able to double your "best" receiver(s) and not knowing where the play is going ahead of time. That, and moving the ball on them with almost no offensive firepower, and then making them move against your defense. :)

[nyknicks33]

pwned?


j/k :)

Wow, so much to say on this topic and so little time, so I won't try. Much of what is being said here is right on the money. Honestly, the only reason I don't throw the ball away more is that half the time when I try, it doesn't work...which may be me with a broken controller (it's been thrown a few times...)

Interesting point about taking sacks rather than chucking it downfield. The reason with me is pretty simple - I have generic receivers and TE's. If they're not open, they're not going to catch it. It forces me to be super-disciplined on what passes I put out there. I scream a bit inside when I accidentally hit the wrong button and lob it to a guy that was supposed to be a check-down and he happens to be double or even single covered tightly. Nothing good can come of it with generics. :P I do that more often than I care to admit on a few plays, where the button assignments aren't quite what I was expecting them to be.

Most teams have star receivers, and not only can they get away with chucking it out there, they're planning on it from the time the ball is snapped, they're locked onto that receiver - no progression, no worries. In my situation, I've almost got my progression down to a science, and on some plays where I know I won't have a lot of time, I have a two step progression - is he open? check it off, etc.

Anyway, I don't expect anyone else to willfully play with the kind of team that I do, but I'd encourage you to do it offline as a practice exercise. With star receivers I can run up the score almost at will now. I will tell you that few things will take an opponent off their game like not being able to double your "best" receiver(s) and not knowing where the play is going ahead of time. That, and moving the ball on them with almost no offensive firepower, and then making them move against your defense. :)

I have done something similar. I had a team with 2 offensive stars: HB & TE. I played some of my best ball with them because I was forced to play with offensive diiscipline. Once a got a 2 possesion lead, the game was pretty much over. I would only do this with a offensive player with leadership though

[Numbski]

My offense is Jim Harbaugh (Bronze QB) and Ottis Anderson (Silver HB). I run a pretty balanced offense run plays vs pass plays, and in fact I tend to pass a bit more.

[SmallAlienGray]

Numbski when we played I thought you had a stacked D. Did you only have 3 offensive stars?

[Numbski]

Only 2. :)

My base 3-2 defense looks like this:

Deep Safeties:
Weak Side: Willie Wood (Gold FS)
Strong Side: Eugene Robinson (Bronze FS)

Shallow Safeties:
Weak Side: Generic SS
Strong Side: Joey Browner (Silver SS)

Weak Corner: Lem Barney (Silver CB)
Strong Corner: Terry McDaniel (Bronze CB)

Linebackers: Dave Wilcox (Gold OLB) and Robert Brazille (Bronze OLB)

Defensive Line:
Dexter Manley (Bronze DE)
Dan Saleuma (Bronze DT)
Generic DE

It's been working pretty well for me.

[Phillip A Bole]

I cant believe I didnt make the list!!?!?!?

Philip!?!?!?!

My apologies, you're so right. That was a good a**beating you handed down, without a doubt.

[SouthShallRise]

the rating system seems to be more broken on the 360 due to the abundance of immature brats than run rampant on that system....PS3 players rate fairly for the most part

[budsclass201]

A.) You very rarely see a QB fumble when he gets sacked.....2K5 mimics real life better in this department because, when the QB gets hit, he actually fumbles sometimes, just like real life.



This is one thing I really noticed about 2k8 as well. The QB rarely fumbles when getting sacked. He also does the qb evade automatically way too often.

That's one thing I loved about 2k5..when you crushed the QB, there were many times he'd fumble and once in a while you'd return the fumble for a TD. And to do the qb evade, you had to do it manually.

Out of the around 700 (oh god have I played 2k8 that much?! :eek: ) games I've played on apf2k8, I can only recall one time where the QB fumbled the ball after getting nailed. Not realistic!

VC take note! :thumbsup:

Oh yeah, I throw the ball out of bounds almost every game..somtimes on accident though :)

[GoodSense]

Hi folks, here's my contention:

Most of you who say you play Sim don't really play sim, you just want to pretend. You talk about all these other things, but when it comes down to it and you're rolling out in the pocket and ready to get crushed, you still chuck it downfield like some wannabe even when your guy is covered, double covered, or mass covered. Likely it'll be tipped away so you say the hell with it and chuck it.

I've played two players who actually throw the ball away, out of bounds, when no one is open. S38S, and LankyLegs. I should add Numbski in there because he'll actually take a sack before throwing it without knowing for sure.

The rest of ya'll are chuckers.

I'm tired of everyone acting so high and mighty when it comes to this game. I do, certainly, in regards to sim. I think I play sim, I'll say that tomorrow also when this post is done and so will everyone else. But the fact is it isn't sim unless you play all sim all the way. Those 3 players do that.

S38S and Lanky don't give a crap. They know they'll move the ball later, they punt when needed, they don't go for it on 4th downs, and they'll toss it out of bounds in dire straights. I don't see other people doing that crap.

Numbski will take a sack rather than throw it if he's not sure. I know some of you like to bag on Numski, but he's way more sim than most folks.

Point is, I see too many people bagging on these players, and I've played them numerous times and it gets tiring to read all the drivel. Players who haven't even played them opine about their usefulness, whether or not they cheese...give me a break, play them and find out.

Sim Nazi's need to chill unless they're willing to play all sim and do as these players have done and play true sim. S38S and Lanky obviously are ranked highly...Numbski is not, but he's just as sim as the other two. People may not like his style of play...you know what? You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. It's designed to unnerve you, make you annoyed, **** you off, make you impatient...but NOTHING he does is cheese or unsim. I'm honestly sick of hearing about it. It's a pain to play against, but honestly, at the end of the game, I can honestly say with all 3 of them that I played a game of football. Period.

Wow a GoodSense Size Post. Gotta love it!!!

Ok. My only issue is when people make generalizations. It is nice that you've played a few people from this board who are labeled as sim. But that doesn't mean you should label others you know nothing about as being just talk.

I haven't played online a lot with 2k8 partically because I was new to the controller of 360 system and I kinda like to know what I'm doing before I play people. You know plays and player capability.

I think I've played 1-2 people on this board with 2k8 with no complaints from them or me.


Now... I do get your point about throwing into double coverage and stuff.
I'll say this about me. If that happens it is because I pressed the wrong button.
I had a guy wide open from the way I setup the play. I forgot I flipped the play and who I thought was B was actually X. Oops! No TD for me just a deflected pass.

I have a pocket QB and in the beginning I posted a video showing pocket presence.
The exception is designed plays which I still have a problem with because 2k screwed up the QB stance when rolling right for a right hand QB. He goes into a left hand stance animation.

I personally, don't care and won't complain about you throwing into double coverage, throwing the ball away, or taking a sack. That is every players right and I think we forget this. I'm about Sim, but when I play a person I realize it is a video game and people get scared with limited time especially when behind. So I just play them and learn to expect what may be considered out of the ordinary. I don't drop back more than 10 yds to pass.
If it happens it wasn't planned because it just isn't my style.

Here is one thing some of the complainers need to realize.
If you BLITZ on every play getting to the QB before they even complete their drop back what do you expect from that player???????
Do you expect to them to just play into your hands????

I have a gameplan that will adjust, not always successfully, according to what my opponent tosses at me. But intentionally, throwing into double coverage is not one of them unless it is a Hail Mary or something. :lol:

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Phillip,

I agree with you 100% and you and I have always had very close battles.

But, if there is one thing I don't really like about this game it is that there is very little risk in passing the ball. Why do you think 90% of the teams are setup as passing teams these days.

But, what I mean by the fact that passing the ball is a very low risk way to play this game is that:

A.) You very rarely see a QB fumble when he gets sacked.....2K5 mimics real life better in this department because, when the QB gets hit, he actually fumbles sometimes, just like real life.

B.) Throwing the ball away in this game is a little "iffy" too because, not once have I ever seen a QB get called for intentional grounding.........in 2K5 and real life if the QB does not get out of the pocket before throwing the ball away, he gets an intentional grounding penalty.


Those are only 2 reasons why people create such pass heavy teams.

p.s. This little rant doesn't really have to do alot with this thread but, when I seen the "throwing ball away" and "taking sacks" comment it just reminded me of a couple reasons why this game could be better.....this rant is directed at nobody.....just this game:)

A) I agree. But I rather than just increase it there needs to be an increase with regard to impact and blind side hits. I don't want the QBs to start fumbling when they see the sack coming. I'd rather see an increase when the hit is from the blind side because that is where most fumbles come from and with the reach tackle capability a sack shouldn't be necessary either am I right? Many fumbles come from just knocking the ball out of the QB's hands.
Now to be fair their should be a tuck-n-craddle move for the QB.
This would allow the QB to protect the ball on an impending sack.

B) I Agree! So throwing the ball away is too easy without consequence in this version.
Can anyone say... :lol: Nah... I won't start the board down that path. :lol:


As for the game geared towards passing then we have the NFL to thank because it has done the same thing. They've made it where the QB might as well be sitting in a stool like a Tennis Match Judge because he can't be touch even in an unintentional manner.
The WR pass interference and DB right to the ball still isn't consistent.