Online Sliders Pool

[2K Admin Ron]

Online Sliders Update:
Sliders, as far as I know, will not be able to be changed online. A big reason for that is trying to compare one league to another, and one team to another. It's a big reason that classic mode is not in the online game either. We want people to learn the new mechanics. Having said that, that might change. I will be posting a poll thread posing this question.

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Do you guys this this a good idea?

[SFG MLB]

It's wrong to do as I have been running online baseball leagues for 6 years I'm 39 years old and I have not yet seen 1 league ran with success that didn't use custom sliders as most leagues lower pitch speed to compensate for the swing timing difference of off and online!

Why have a custom lobby if we can't play custom!

We should always have control over what settings to use in leagues and not be dictated on what we must use.

No online sliders may = No DRSSL a league that ran in MLB 2K7 until the week before we all bought MLB 2K8!

[Falcgun1337]

I say there should be sliders online, thats my opinion. Last year, i had a great league with great sliders that had some pretty realistic scores IMO.. Please implement sliders, gives more customization to what people in the league feel :D

[SFG MLB]

Come on guys lets get these votes in!

[mgb]

Its so simple to hit a home run online so custom sliders are a must. Impossible things happen sometimes like a 100 mph fastball from Joba on the outside corner being pulled. Or even the fact I hit a 508 home run with Melkey. Things like that just don't happen, thats why slider customization is a must.

[SFG MLB]

This poll should be stickied!

[dguru]

I Think if it is a friend match, tournament or a league that the creator should be able to adjust anything as if it was offline, the people joining will have the choice to accept or not. Comparing leagues means nothing if your entire league play stinks. That said if it is just a single ranked game no adjustments besides whats available in the game now is fine with me!
It will be a mute point though if this patch does not fix the framerate/ lag or whatever you call it online because even though it is bad offline it is completely unplayable online with the new control mechanics. If the patch doesn't work please give us the option to play classic controls online it may be somewhat fun since they don't rely on timing as much .
Please make it possible for us online gamers to have a few more options....

[SFG MLB]

The reason I am not sticking it is because I want to see how passionate people (besides bumpers :-p) are about this subject.
Truth is lobbies besides custom room don't need sliders as 2K is dead right in the lobby stuff but in Leagues 2K is killing us taken away customization of the sliders.

Sliders are a must in any good league just as they are in any good Franchise!

[For The Music]

+10 for online sliders. It is a huge help in keeping the realism a priority during league play. As a former minor leaguer, I like the simulation aspect and a large part of that is the stats and the ability to keep them within the simulation realm. As a gamer I like to keep it competitive, so the abiltiy to accomodate multiple skill levels would certainly be a huge plus in my book.

[batandball10]

sliders helped make this game good

[Phenomenon18]

This makes me very angry that 2k would consider doing this to us. I'm a member of DRSSL. I bought this game because of the online league. If we don't have control of the settings it will not be real baseball because you guys put out sliders that don't stack up. NO SLIDERS I WILL NEVER BUY A 2K GAME AGAIN.

[DARKSPACE]

Online Sliders Update:
Sliders, as far as I know, will not be able to be changed online. A big reason for that is trying to compare one league to another, and one team to another. It's a big reason that classic mode is not in the online game either. We want people to learn the new mechanics. Having said that, that might change. I will be posting a poll thread posing this question.

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Do you guys this this a good idea?
I most certainly Voted YES on the poll.
Being a creator and Admin of many past MLB 2k7 leagues and Tournaments I have to say Custom Sliders are vital to the overall perfomance and stats we are all trying to achieve. The goal is to replicate as much as you can to the Authenticity of the Official Major League games.

On a side note in relation to your sticky:
If you wish to not install classic batting and pitching preferences as an League/Tourney option. Then I would certainly agree with you on doing that. Due to you would like for all users to learn and embrace MLB2K8's Total Control Piching/Batting.

The Question Remains
If the lag doe NOT play a huge factor using the Rstick then all is well, but if it not corrected then I may have to suggest to offer the yesteryear/pastgen lack luster classic pitching and batting mechanic as the medium until the issue is resolved.

Thankyou ronnie.singh for all your post contributions and your concerns to make MLB2k8 be all it can be.

[Hamijati]

I have never had my own league but I was in one last year with a friend who ran it and it was great cause the sliders and he was able to make it very realistic. Well I am pretty sure he will make a new league this year cause he always does but he told me he is very disappointed that there will be no sliders in leagues this year. Sp please 2K put back in sliders for the good of ALL leagues.

[chad0034]

You have to have custom sliders in league games.. its a must.. right now we are on all-star diff. and i have 6 HR 18 RBI with David Ortiz through 6 games... ???? I couldnt believe it when they didnt put them in... online other games im fine with that ... but leagues have to have it

[Tyler24]

You have to have sliders in leagues it is a must. As a member of drssl leagues we use the sliders and it is realistic. If you dont put adjustible sliders in leagues and online count me out for buying 2k again.

[Hooligan1977]

Sliders are a must to make this game realistic!!

[reo]

Online card albums should also be deleted.

Yes, for online custom sliders.

[bigfnjoe96]

For the purpose of leagues, SLIDERS need to be adjustable by League Admins. I vote YES

[PointShaver]

This game needs league sliders.

[SFG MLB]

Passionate enough yet for a sticky?

[stride8]

Leagues depend on sliders to be successful..that a major reason why many of us buy the game..I have also run leagues for several years and have a good group of guys who love to play lge games in basketball and baseball

[Phenomenon18]

I think so

[SFG MLB]

ronnie.singh

I want to emphasize that it's not the controls we have issues with as most of us believe the only way to play this game is with Advanced Controls and I would prefer it to stay locked as it is for online play and leagues.

But our issue is truly with the sliders they are a must and it's the sliders and sliders only I want to have control of for my leagues.

DRSSL stands for Drafted Realistic Sim Slider League and without the sliders we are not that.

Even Ben Brinkman understands the use of sliders as he even said on TV and web interviews that they set the sliders a certain way knowing we would tweak it and post our sliders up on the boards and we have done so over at Operation Sports, I was one of the 1st to put a set out and people are loving them.

I'm not saying the sliders at Default are God awful because out of any baseball game I have played and leagues I have ran from High Heat, MVP, The Show and MLB 2K7 I feel MLB 2K8 to be the closest to the real thing with not that much to tweak.

But when it comes to online play the game will play different then offline meaning a tad slower and we must adjust to this by the use of sliders, if the pitch speed is still coming at me at the same speed as offline online but my bat speed is slower I must lower the pitch speed a tad and etc for other aspects of the game.

Also we aren't saying this because of the online lag because you won't have much leagues with it if it's not fixed I for one refused to play until it's fixed what we are looking at is how to adjust when it is fixed as we did last year.

I for one am completely confident in 2K with the patch and online and see online to play just as well as last year once patched and fixed we had Swing Stick last year and it was the truly only way to bat online!

[lilmaggie]

The only reason i bought this games was for the leagues, which were always better because of the custom sliders. Now they are just as silly as the lobby games. If 2k is hellbent on realism, why can't you guys get the sliders right to start with. Some of us older gamers are not interested in hitting 10 HR's a game, we would rather have something that actually resembles real baseball. With virtually no league support, I have purchased my last 2k product.

[chad0034]

Nice man... exactly right.. we just need some league sliders.. i thought i was doing something wrong when i didnt see them in there ... because im so used to them


look at it
35 : 93 % For
3 : 7 % Against

and i bet the 3 that voted against it just did it for fun...

[catchersmitt91]

sliders shud b changable for leagues

[FrenziedSokar]

i voted yes without hesitating...

i understand what u are trying to do however having sliders as an option is a must to us league admins, 2k6 didnt have the option not that it made a difference considering how bad that game was but it certainly made us frown so seeing it return in 2k7 was a relief, the thought of going in without slider options makes me uneasy. The whole point of the sliders is to make adjustments to how ur league members are playing, everybody has different styles, no player is the same..there is always a few fields u are tweaking to make it as enjoyable as u can for ur guys.

looking at the results so far, hardly a suprise its a landslide

[pj1979]

Sliders are a must for online Lgs. The sliders 2k puts out are always unrealistic, if a lg owner wants to set his own sliders he should have that right. Allstar setting is a HR derby no matter how good you pitch and on legend its impossible to even hit your pitches its to fast. 2k has to put realize the lag online ,so the timing is totally diffrent online.I have dedicated guys quiting lg because its just not fun when you cant pitch or there is 40hr with a player in 20 gms of season ,not sim at all. I agree setting should stay swing stick and total control pitching and that should not be changeable ,but sliders should be able to be changed.Last year was awesome tweaking the sliders to be perfect. We made our pitch speed 100 and power on 0 ,and was realistic as can be . any player still was able to hit a HR, most hr in lg was 52 and was fun and sim . this is like a HR derby once again and with online lag its alot harder to hit your pitches perfect each time. THIS IS A MUST FOR ONLINE LGS, 2k is losing its gamers with changing things that shouldnt be changed. To make easy just eliminate classic and old pitching controls . SLIDERS NEED TO BE ADJUSTABLE ,because apparently you guys cant get a gm right year after year after your customers give recomentations how what should be done for the next years gm and this is ignored each year. Make the customers happy with using our suggestions ,we play the gm you guys make it .ALSO WHERE IS OUR LG PAGE on 2k site . We have pitchers that have fatigue for 3 days and wont return off injury list ,we cant reset injuries from gm only from online site ,how about a forum section just for online lgs and questions . Majority of people play online how bout tailoring the gm towrds that and fixing the B.S.
Theres my opinion and rant :dance:

[Trevytrev11]

The fact that this question is even being asked is quite shocking. It's almost like saying "We have no idea what our fans want."

The most important thing for a league is balanced competition, which is best achieved by letting each league customize itself to best fit it's players.

The least important thing for a league is to measure how it compares to another league. While their may be a few who care if their league is the best, most just want to play a solid game with solid people. Most of these solid leagues have been going on now for several seasons and are built on the foundation of tailoring the league to the players.

For 2K to say "you're league will play by our rules" is very arrogant in my opinion. It's the old "we know what is best for you" mentality that has plagued this franchise over the past few years. If you give people what they want or the ability to get what they want, how can you go wrong? At worst, people will just play with default sliders, but at best they will get to the play the game they wanted the way they wanted, which is fair since they are dropping $60 on it plus another $40 or $50 for Live.

Does 2K really think that all players are of the same skill level? And that a person who may pick up this game once a week would be able to compete against someone who plays several games a day?

For individual ranking purposes, I agree that there has to be a solid set of ground rules, but for league purposes, it makes no sense at all.

[sleepytercel]

I'm undecided. The option should be there for sliders, but how useful are they really? The sliders hugely affect the old controls, but if you're using the new controls, they slight differ the gameplay. Since the new controls basically leave the user in complete control of the game events, I have noticed that the overall sliders don't really change how the game is played. Last year, 2K7 was more determined on CPU calculations, and the sliders greatly impacted those calculations. I have noticed that 2K8 will play a straight up realistic game when you have two people who really know what they are doing. There's a few sliders that do help (such as pitch speed) and such, but in my opinion, I don't think the sliders impact as heavy as they've done before due to the gameplay being more user based.

[PsychoRatMan]

Without a doubt

[Trevytrev11]

I'm undecided. The option should be there for sliders, but how useful are they really? The sliders hugely affect the old controls, but if you're using the new controls, they slight differ the gameplay. Since the new controls basically leave the user in complete control of the game events, I have noticed that the overall sliders don't really change how the game is played. Last year, 2K7 was more determined on CPU calculations, and the sliders greatly impacted those calculations. I have noticed that 2K8 will play a straight up realistic game when you have two people who really know what they are doing. There's a few sliders that do help (such as pitch speed) and such, but in my opinion, I don't think the sliders impact as heavy as they've done before due to the gameplay being more user based.

I still think that sliders for pitch speed, baserunner/infield/outfield speed, reaction time, power, step influence, etc. still can change the game quite a bit.

[sleepytercel]

I still think that sliders for pitch speed, baserunner/infield/outfield speed, reaction time, power, step influence, etc. still can change the game quite a bit.

I do agree with that. Those specific sliders do assist in changes of gameplay, but do they provide the ability for a simulation experience between everyone? Basically, the game has varying skill bases between users. You have someone who always hits the green spot of his pitching mechanic, and to counter, you need optimal swing timing to hit. However, you have someone who slightly misses the green area in their pitching and get raked because the user batting doesn't need to be as precise with his swing timing.

I think the options should be there, but unlike previous 2K baseball games, I personally don't think many of the sliders could provide a good base for its users. I mean, is the fielder speed really off? I would say that the preset speeds are fairly spot on. Is the reaction speed off? Well, I see balls skip and hop through the gap just fine, or bloopers and all kinds of different hits that work. Reaction speed is also user based on how they first react. If someone presses the wrong way initially, they open up oppurtunity to miss balls hit to them.

[FrenziedSokar]

i think another category that trev didnt mention that alot of us tweaked sleepy was the base stealing, the default settings for this last year made it way too easy for alot of runners to steal a base & i am not just talking the kings like reyes/j-roll to get in safe by 5 feet im talking the not so well known guys

[sleepytercel]

i think another category that trev didnt mention that alot of us tweaked sleepy was the base stealing, the default settings for this last year made it way too easy for alot of runners to steal a base & i am not just talking the kings like reyes/j-roll to get in safe by 5 feet im talking the not so well known guys

That's actually a good one, especially since base stealing is completely CPU controlled. Against other users though, I have found that base stealing isn't that easy when paying attention. I use the pitchout sometimes and it works wonders to get runners out. However, I do agree that it can seem easy, but in my experience playing online, I haven't played against anyone who could abuse stealing bases. People have attempted many times and I have found that it pans out evenly.

I still think that we should have slider options though, don't get me wrong. The sliders should be offered. However, I guess I'm just pinpointing that my games have been all over the place. I'll get high scoring, low scoring, pitching duals, weak hits, strong hits, strikeouts. Each game is never a predictable experience, and I'm just speaking on that principal of how one actually can determine proper slider adjustments when against another user?

[DARKSPACE]

Sup Sleepytercel:

While I do understand your point you're making, the truth of the matter is, due to the Lag that already exsist pretty much makes it almost unplayable to take or make any Online league seriously, let alone figure out if any tweaks or adjustments need to be made or not.

BottomLine:
By haveng the League Slider option set to Open, will offer and allow the league Creator the use if need be. Now by having the option set to closed or Greyed out will not be doing anyone any favors.

[sleepytercel]

Maybe I'm just very used to playing online that I almost don't recognize the lag. However, when I play offline, it's hard for me to adjust to the immediate response time lol. I do everything too early when playing offline.

[areobee401]

Let me get this right. We need a poll on an online forum to possibly get sliders for online leagues? Shame on you 2ksports shame on you!! No one is doubting your new controls so you can let your gaurd down. Oh and not for nothing but at this point you should give us what we want since we all paid 60 bucks for a game that is unplayable without jumping throw loops and shutting things off to make it otherwise.

[BANKY]

The fact that this question is even being asked is quite shocking. It's almost like saying "We have no idea what our fans want."

The most important thing for a league is balanced competition, which is best achieved by letting each league customize itself to best fit it's players.

The least important thing for a league is to measure how it compares to another league. While their may be a few who care if their league is the best, most just want to play a solid game with solid people. Most of these solid leagues have been going on now for several seasons and are built on the foundation of tailoring the league to the players.

For 2K to say "you're league will play by our rules" is very arrogant in my opinion. It's the old "we know what is best for you" mentality that has plagued this franchise over the past few years. If you give people what they want or the ability to get what they want, how can you go wrong? At worst, people will just play with default sliders, but at best they will get to the play the game they wanted the way they wanted, which is fair since they are dropping $60 on it plus another $40 or $50 for Live.

Does 2K really think that all players are of the same skill level? And that a person who may pick up this game once a week would be able to compete against someone who plays several games a day?

For individual ranking purposes, I agree that there has to be a solid set of ground rules, but for league purposes, it makes no sense at all.
As usual trevy, right on the money my friend.

BTW, we will be starting are leagues as soon as the websites are up.

[Trevytrev11]

Hopefully the 90+% of 50 people speaks for itself. And hopefully they are not looking for X amount of respondants.

[crayzlikethat]

Ya custom sliders are a must because the original sliders suck for human vs human!

[sleepytercel]

Ya custom sliders are a must because the original sliders suck for human vs human!

What is exactly wrong with them?

[2K Admin Ron]

OK I am digging into this issue. I will report back when I hear more.

[totalownership]

Hey man, I NEED the option to turn off the strike zone when batting online. That's really going to make the difference for me. Along with sliders for the TO Leagues.

[Trevytrev11]

OK I am digging into this issue. I will report back when I hear more.

I really hope they do more than consider this. If this is the case and custom sliders are not allowed...the game is going to get even more negativity surrounding it. Solid leagues are the meat and potato's for many of the online experience. Lobbies are nice, but unless you do some serious research, you never know the quality of your opponent. However some leagues have been around for years and pride themselves on having good guys.

What is the reason that all of a sudden comparing leagues has become important to 2K? It's not important to the customers. I've been on these boards for 4+ years and have never seen anyone make too big of a big deal about how their league compares to another. All that matters is how a league runs on it's own. Each league is mutually exclusive from another and should remain that way. If an advanced league wants pitch speed turned up all the way and a beginners league wants it turned down all the way, why would 2K even think about preventing either of these? Why would they force people to play the game one way and not let them enjoy it how they would?

And with the 91/9 split going on so far...not doing so is basically a slap in the face to the consumer...It would basically be asking for our input and opinions and then completely ignoring it.

[FrenziedSokar]

as usual trev u make good thoughtful posts :)

hardly a suprise that poll is so one sided

[2K Admin Ron]

I posted this as a way to see the stance of the issue, not guarantee to change anything. I am looking into it, thanks for all your votes.

[mjranieri]

We are lucky they are fixing the framerate issues. thats all they are fixing! dont expect sliders or anything else to be addressed they are not going to put anymore money into this game! Wait for the 2009 game by EA/2K. This will be the first and last patch 2K will make for this game.

[2K Admin Ron]

By the way, maybe I should have made this poll different. Obviously everyone wants the "capability" for this to happen. But say it affects ranked games and people are having different experiences to get higher rankings, would that change a lot of opinions? Somehow I think so.

[totalownership]

By the way, maybe I should have made this poll different. Obviously everyone wants the "capability" for this to happen. But say it affects ranked games and people are having different experiences to get higher rankings, would that change a lot of opinions? Somehow I think so.
Hey no disrespect but you must really be new to this. Look, most of us here have been accustomed to certain things. Offline play to be good. Alot of options and solid gameplay. Online lobby games we're looking for different levels of difficulty (with fixed sliders and a few presentation options) with the hardest one being the most sim. Or at least as sim as you guys feel. A custom lobby where we can set settings for anything. And finally league play. League play the admin should have a hundred and one different things he could change to suit the need of the league.

That's about it.

[Trevytrev11]

Could you be more specific? I think you have to disucss leagues and lobbies differently here as they are two seperate animals.

I think for ranked games you have to have 1 set of agreed upon rules/sliders, etc. This is the only way to make the rankings fair. Everyone plays under the same rules. Personally, I've never been concerned with these rankings, but for fairness this seems right.

I think for leagues, you need to let the league customize itself. Leagues games are non-ranked games, so I don't see the problem here. Let folks play how they want to play.

[pj1979]

Most guys who worry about rank are guys who cheese anyway that why they are not in a LG. We dont want the sliders or anything changed for ranked or lobby ,its the online Lgs were getting at. The sliders set by 2k are terrible with the lag,and way to many HR even on perfect pitches. When you set lg on legend then it is impossible to hit your pitches.There is no happy medium here for Lg play. Who cares whos lg is comparable to another's. Thats why last year with the slider adjustment helped fix this and made the Lg's last year great.Why would 2k fix somthing that was not broken. The admin setting offers custom but no one knows what the hell custom is. Then injuries if you get a guy with fatigue for 3 days,after 3 days he still is injured . What is the time line for MLB2k8 Lg pages. You guys realy dropped the ball this year and did minor improvements. Its still a HR derby and online play is no better. RANKED! how do you rank guys who cheese,thats why most got out of the ranking system and play LG's with rules to make online play more fun ......all in all

ALLOW SLIDER ADJUSTMENT
FIX ONLINE LG' Play
and get the site up already

[DARKSPACE]

By the way, maybe I should have made this poll different. Obviously everyone wants the "capability" for this to happen. But say it affects ranked games and people are having different experiences to get higher rankings, would that change a lot of opinions? Somehow I think so.
Sup ronnie. (Just a heads up)
- Playing in online leagues or tournaments does not count as a ranked game towards 2K's leaderboard.
- Ranked games have never allowed anyone to use custom sliders online towards 2K's leaderboard

[SFG MLB]

By the way, maybe I should have made this poll different. Obviously everyone wants the "capability" for this to happen. But say it affects ranked games and people are having different experiences to get higher rankings, would that change a lot of opinions? Somehow I think so. Once again we are asking this for leagues not lobby play!

[mgb]

56 people want custom sliders for leagues. Majority wins can you ask the development team or who ever is in charge to add it in. Plus must of the leagues will fail without the sliders.

[areobee401]

56 people want custom sliders for leagues. Majority wins can you ask the development team or who ever is in charge to add it in. Plus must of the leagues will fail without the sliders.

ALL leagues will fail if that is the case. Who wants to play in a league where every pitcher has an ERA of 10 and everyone has 40 plus HR's.

[kremss]

I just started playing the game again last night, have yet to go online with it. I was in a league last season, and I believe it would have been a disaster with out being able to adjust the sliders.

Leagues must have the ability to change sliders.

Lobbies/Ranked Games should all be played with default sliders.

[Shapester16]

SLIDERS ARE A MUST!!! I DONT THINK ANBODY WILL BE ABLE TO RUN A LEAGUE SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT THE CUSTOMIZATION OF THEIR OWN SLIDERS!!! I RUN ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS LEAGUES ON THE 360, IN THE PLAYER CLUB 3, AND IM WAITING FOR THE PATCH AND LEAGUE SITES, BUT WE NEED THESES SLIDERS

[AnonByRequest]

How about fixing the lag so that's it's actually playable online.

After that's done then you can add slides for leagues (which is a must, I can't believe you even have to ask. Talk about not being in touch with your fans.)

[Shapester16]

i cant beleive you guys even decided on this, what a terrible decision

[bogo201]

bump need a sticky

[CrimsonVoodoo]

Hey Ronnie - thanks for asking -

Of course you need sliders in League play, that's a no brainer. As a few others have mentioned the point will be moot unless the online lag issue gets fixed, but that's another issue

I'd concur with others that I have NO interest in how my league "ranks" with other leagues, I only care about the friends I have in the league and whether we're enjoying it

For ranked games keep the sliders locked so for those people there IS a even playing field when comparing their individual accomplishments

CrimsonVoodoo
"thanks for getting that HOF/Legends card issue answered"

[SFG MLB]

Lets hear from others!

[BANKY]

I run a league with totalownership called the TOMLB. I have guys in their that everyone knows. Bigfnjoe, Trevy, Sanfranpsycho(when he shows, lol), frenzied sokar,vicarcaligulish(brutalchaos) and of course, myself, lol.

BFJ is the certified slider guru in our league. That guy would know better than anyone about sliders. I can say with full certainty, that you need sliders in league play. Adjustments are constantly made so that we don't have 10 homer games and 20 error games. These adjustments are key due to the nature of the differences between online and offline play. I agree, for the ranked lobbies, please leave the sliders set and uniform. But for league play, the admin should be able to change, EVERYTHING!

Ronnie, thanks for the attention and presence. It is much appreciated. BL is awesome too, just wanted to say that. Trevy, if you read this, get at me! Also, ronnie, Trevy put up an article in our last league entitled, down with the power swing. I don't know if the guy's at 2k read that, but it is nice that it is gone. Personally, i think trevy had something to do with it.

[BANKY]

Hey Ronnie - thanks for asking -

Of course you need sliders in League play, that's a no brainer. As a few others have mentioned the point will be moot unless the online lag issue gets fixed, but that's another issue

I'd concur with others that I have NO interest in how my league "ranks" with other leagues, I only care about the friends I have in the league and whether we're enjoying it

For ranked games keep the sliders locked so for those people there IS a even playing field when comparing their individual accomplishments

CrimsonVoodoo
"thanks for getting that HOF/Legends card issue answered"
personally, i agree with you crimson. I can't stand how some people are like, "i run the best league, I run the most prestigious league, I have the longest league running". The question is do you want sliders in league play?

Personally, my league has been around as long as maybe 2 other league that have been running since the inception of leagues in this game and that is FBL and juicers. Those are the only two leagues that have been around as long as ours and any of the guys i mentioned earlier canattest to that. But you don't see me spouting off all the time about how great we are. I only care about certain things in this game and prestige isn't one of em.

Ronnie, If you really want to know what we need, ask the guys that have been here forever.

Sanfranpsycho, vicarcaligulush, totalownership, bigfnjoe, frenzied sokar, trevy, fuzzyaxis(sixfootjew on aim), and a select few that they would recommend to you. Not that i don't trust these other guy's commitment, but you have to prove with your longevity how much you really care about this game and its leagues before your opinion is taken with much more than a grain of salt.

[SFG MLB]

personally, i agree with you crimson. I can't stand how some people are like, "i run the best league, I run the most prestigious league, I have the longest league running". The question is do you want sliders in league play?

Personally, my league has been around as long as maybe 2 other league that have been running since the inception of leagues in this game and that is FBL and juicers. Those are the only two leagues that have been around as long as ours and any of the guys i mentioned earlier canattest to that. But you don't see me spouting off all the time about how great we are. I only care about certain things in this game and prestige isn't one of em.

Ronnie, If you really want to know what we need, ask the guys that have been here forever.

Sanfranpsycho, vicarcaligulush, totalownership, bigfnjoe, frenzied sokar, trevy, fuzzyaxis(sixfootjew on aim), and a select few that they would recommend to you. Not that i don't trust these other guy's commitment, but you have to prove with your longevity how much you really care about this game and its leagues before your opinion is taken with much more than a grain of salt.
Edited, sorry I took this the wrong way and apologize.

Frustration got the best of me!

[FrenziedSokar]

"To single people out like they are something special is just plain wrong and to know other leagues down is also!"

This is not about who is special this is about guys who have been dedicated to their work they do in the league(s) they are in and banky is just showing recognition, whast the matter u feeling left out or something?

"Everyone thinks they have the best league and the owners in it does so as well because they have found what suites them best!"

Not everybody is saying this only 1-2 guys i have seen say this, i for one certainly dont come out with a bold statement like that

"By the way if it wasn't for me we wouldn't even have this poll!"
where is the link to say u did?

[BANKY]

Everyone should be heard in this thread!

Just because some of us like I have been on PC games until last year don't mean we don't have a rep of longevity, people know me from done the whole leagues stats by hand for years until we found a great stats site.

To single people out like they are something special is just plain wrong and to know other leagues down is also!

Everyone thinks they have the best league and the owners in it does so as well because they have found what suites them best!

By the way if it wasn't for me we wouldn't even have this poll!
See where pride gets you, everyone? This is what im talking about. Rather than be objective and say, yeah, i understand what you are saying. The guys that have been doing this league thing for a while and have had experience with this series would probably know best. I'm not saying everyone shouldn't be heard but that people with more experience with this series should have more weight put behind their opinions.
doing league stats by hand is not that special my friend, fbl has been doing it for years now, YEARS! I'm not singling out any special people bro, just saying what should be said for ronnie. you don't agree? fine.
I don't think i have the best league bro, i do think ihave the best community of players though. And, i have guys in my league that are actually mentioned in the game. Do you? That's how long some of us have been around these boards bro. If you wanna think im singling you out, so be it, but im not. Your league and your administration of your league is great, im sure. But don't try to say that you would know better about something that other people have had more time with.

I can't tell you how manytimes bfj, to, frenzy, sf and a multitude of other guys have spent testing sliders and options before we even start leagues. Rather than argue with me, sfmlb, you should be asking us for help. Which we are more than glad to give when asked humbly.




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""""Just because some of us like I have been on PC games until last year don't mean we don't have a rep of longevity""""

I'm sure you have been onhere a long time. check our join dates for the forums here though, sf. That proves our longevity.

[SFG MLB]

"To single people out like they are something special is just plain wrong and to know other leagues down is also!"

This is not about who is special this is about guys who have been dedicated to their work they do in the league(s) they are in and banky is just showing recognition, whast the matter u feeling left out or something?

"Everyone thinks they have the best league and the owners in it does so as well because they have found what suites them best!"

Not everybody is saying this only 1-2 guys i have seen say this, i for one certainly dont come out with a bold statement like that

"By the way if it wasn't for me we wouldn't even have this poll!"
where is the link to say u did?
The link was deleted and no I don't feel left out I feel very fustrated right now with the uncertainty of sliders in leagues I have not ran 1 in 6 years without them and right now I'm at wonder how it's going to workout without them!

[SFG MLB]

See where pride gets you, everyone? This is what im talking about. Rather than be objective and say, yeah, i understand what you are saying. The guys that have been doing this league thing for a while and have had experience with this series would probably know best. I'm not saying everyone shouldn't be heard but that people with more experience with this series should have more weight put behind their opinions.
doing league stats by hand is not that special my friend, fbl has been doing it for years now, YEARS! I'm not singling out any special people bro, just saying what should be said for ronnie. you don't agree? fine.
I don't think i have the best league bro, i do think ihave the best community of players though. And, i have guys in my league that are actually mentioned in the game. Do you? That's how long some of us have been around these boards bro. If you wanna think im singling you out, so be it, but im not. Your league and your administration of your league is great, im sure. But don't try to say that you would know better about something that other people have had more time with.

I can't tell you how manytimes bfj, to, frenzy, sf and a multitude of other guys have spent testing sliders and options before we even start leagues. Rather than argue with me, sfmlb, you should be asking us for help. Which we are more than glad to give when asked humbly.




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""""Just because some of us like I have been on PC games until last year don't mean we don't have a rep of longevity""""

I'm sure you have been onhere a long time. check our join dates for the forums here though, sf. That proves our longevity.
I'm just fustrated and I took your post wrong and apologize.:o

[BANKY]

I'm just fustrated and I took your post wrong and apologize.:o
Hey bro, its all good. Im glad we have other dedicated league owners. Trust me, the best admins of leagues will tell you the same things bro. totalownership, frenzied sokar(love that guy), fuzzyaxis, bfj and trevy will all help you if you need any help with your league bud. We're here to help each other.

[FrenziedSokar]

hey hey hey easy with the love there banky lol

[areobee401]

This is something else right here. As I read through this post you can see the frustration setting in. With the thought of not having any league sliders this year really has people upset and as it should. Im a co commish in the DRSSL league and I can tell you SFG means no disrespect toward you in anyway BANKY.

Honestly the real issue here is 2ksports. This is just another case of 2k's baseball division not reaching out and looking into what the loyal customers that they want in the game.

I for one am hoping 2k can realize the mistake the made by not allowing sliders online for leagues and fix it.

I suggest all commishes get your owners in this forum to

A. Vote
B. Voice their opinion

[zackman424]

i hate when people try to standardize things. its a videogame for chrissake. we play it so we can try to escape reality, and we don't want to follow any rules

[houstonbrewer@yahoo.com]

I am also a league creator of MLB on FOX. You absolutely must be able to adjust sliders/settings in any league you run because any default rather its rookie,pro,all star or legend the hitting contact is way to high. I tested every possible setting last year in 2k7 spending many hours with friends playing games over and over until we came up with a realistic set thats still being used as of today. In fact ive caught myself going back to 2k7 the last 2 weeks playing games in an old league I had just for a more realistic smoother gameplay,and i the graphics make me appreciate 2k7 more now. But to this thread you must have sliders/settings adjustments in MLB 2K8 to tone things down or speed things up to make it as REALISTIC as you possibly can make a video game. Most of the people that buy baseball titles in todays world do it to play online leagues. Its kinda like the guys that join FANTASY BASEBALL everyear but with 2k baseball you actually get to play as the players and see how good you can do etc....To take the control out of leagues by not letting the ADMIN adjust sliders to the ability of the guys he has in his well ran league as the course of the league season progress is something I thought I would never see in a next gen baseball game.

[BANKY]

bump, for anyone that hasn't voted.

[mgb]

Wow who were the 8 people who voted no?

[chad0034]

yea i know... they probly just did it just for the hell of it

[VirtualRAIDER]

Could you be more specific? I think you have to disucss leagues and lobbies differently here as they are two seperate animals.

I think for ranked games you have to have 1 set of agreed upon rules/sliders, etc. This is the only way to make the rankings fair. Everyone plays under the same rules. Personally, I've never been concerned with these rankings, but for fairness this seems right.

I think for leagues, you need to let the league customize itself. Leagues games are non-ranked games, so I don't see the problem here. Let folks play how they want to play.

Very well said Trev!

[champion88]

Wait...are you saying that you cannot play with the classic controls in ANY online leagues for 2K8 or just the ones you choose to run through 2K Sports?

Or do all leagues run through 2K sports? Can some just be run through LIVE itself?

[FrenziedSokar]

Wait...are you saying that you cannot play with the classic controls in ANY online leagues for 2K8 or just the ones you choose to run through 2K Sports?

Or do all leagues run through 2K sports? Can some just be run through LIVE itself?

i dont think u can play with classic controls in online leagues...sleepy/ronnie can verify this for u

[BallisticHS]

I vote yes on the sliders. I would also like to say that I think 2K should allow people to choose what control types they wish to use in a league. I am a fan of the new total controls but to not give the option to the customers is not right in my opinion.

[SFG MLB]

I can't believe we haven't gotten a word back yet!

[BallisticHS]

It's because you are a Giants fan.:p

[SFG MLB]

It's because you are a Giants fan.:p:dance::rotfl:

[chad0034]

wow look at the difference...

[BANKY]

Hey, im a hardcore A's fan, SF.

You know what, you could just drive to their offices if you live in northern california. I do believe they have their offices based out of marin, just north of SF over the GG bridge.

Let's hope we can get these fellas to do this. I wonder why they took the numbers out from last year? Too be honest, I don't think the sliders worked very well last year. Oh well, Ronnie, better get this fixed or I am gonna come say hi over at the offices.

Tell me, will a free lunch speed up the process?