Mark Melancon CAP for Yankees

[Recentiy03]

Can someone make a cap for this guy? He is gonna play a role for the Yankees later in the year and I would like to call him up.

http://yankees.scout.com/2/537533.html


EDIT---apparently Melancon was out all last year, but there are Gardner updates on page 3.

[Recentiy03]

C'mon! He is gonna be this year's Joba! Even if you don't call him up, he'll help tear up the AAA season!

NO one has made a CAP for this guy? Maybe I will make one if no one else has/will.

[Thertel88]

Ok im a Yankee fan, and lets not go that far. Yeah he will be good, but Joba was striking gold, and gold doesnt get struck two years in a row.


Although expect great things from Humberto Sanchez, Mark Melancon, JB Cox. But nothing like Joba, at least not yet. In 5 years, Humberto-Melancon will be the best SU-CL in the game. Kind of like Mo-Wettland in 96'

[Thertel88]

In 5 years I honeslty dont see a better pitching staff than the Yankees

Chamberlain
Hughes
Wang
Horne
Kennedy/McCutchen/Whelan/Marquez/Jackson/Betances/Garcia/Heredia

I would say Kennedy, Heredia and Betances are the best bet for the #5 since Horne is a basic shoe in and I see Wang in the rotation.

And if the Yankees dont win the WS this year, better believe CC is getting a blank check from Hank

[Recentiy03]

I think some of the guys you mentioned will be traded away...they are the Yankees, afterall. I'm sure they'll keep Joba and Hughes, but after that I wouldn't say any of the rest are untouchable, except maybe Kennedy. Even Wang could be somewhere else, I'm sure the FO is worried about his shoulder. SOme of the rest will be there eventually, but others will be traded...of the guys you named, most likely to be called up THIS year are Horne and Melancon. Horne is in the game and ready, but I'd like to have Melancon if I they call him up OR just for some AAA games to speed up his development.

[Thertel88]

5 Years from Now

Pitching Staff

1. Joba Chamberlain
2. Phil Hughes
3. Chien Ming Wang
4. Alan Horne
5. Dellin Betances (hes like a righty Randy Johnson)

LRP

Jeff Marquez
Ian Kennedy
Daniel McCutchen
Jairo Heredia
Cristian Garcia
Kevin Whelan
Steven Jackson
Kei Igawa

Obviously all of those arent all going to be our Long Relief, probably 2

MRP

Ross Ohlendorf
Edwar Ramirez
JB Cox

SU

Humberto Sanchez

CL

Mark Melancon

Batting Lineup

1. Brett Gardner LF
2. Derek Jeter SS
3. Jose Tabata RF
4. Alex Rodriguez 3B
5. Jesus Montero C
6. Robinson Cano 2B
7. Hideki Matsui DH
8. Austin Jackson CF
9. Eric Duncan 1B

Obviously this is without trades and FA signings

[Recentiy03]

Kei Igawa will be long gone by then! One person you left out, who should have a major impact next year, is Andrew Brackman.

[Thertel88]

I think some of the guys you mentioned will be traded away...they are the Yankees, afterall. I'm sure they'll keep Joba and Hughes, but after that I wouldn't say any of the rest are untouchable, except maybe Kennedy. Even Wang could be somewhere else, I'm sure the FO is worried about his shoulder. SOme of the rest will be there eventually, but others will be traded...of the guys you named, most likely to be called up THIS year are Horne and Melancon. Horne is in the game and ready, but I'd like to have Melancon if I they call him up OR just for some AAA games to speed up his development.

Most of those guys will be traded, unfortunetly, but they are too talented to be in the BP or in the minors. Kennedy and Wang will most likely been traded. Melancon, Horne, Marquez, and Sanchez are the pitchers most likely coming up in June when Joba goes down to prepare for the rotation. Whats good about June is the only tough team on paper we face is the Mets and thats at the end of June. I think Gardner should be brought up right now to be a PR and play occasional OF. I dont see Ajax or Tabata up yet, maybe next year. Montero might come up and DH at the end of the year.

[Thertel88]

Kei Igawa will be long gone by then! One person you left out, who should have a major impact next year, is Andrew Brackman.

Brackman, I knew I was forgetting someone. Damn, how could I forget Brackman, probably the best starter we have in the minors.

Igawa is signed until 2013 the longest contract next to Arod, and unless he gets traded which there arent many takers he'll be here a while...

I see if we dont win the WS this year that Hank wont let CC slip past us.

Imagine

CC Sabathia
Joba Chamberlain
Phil Hughes
Alan Horne
Andrew Brackman


I really want Betances and Heredia to make it to the Yankees starting rotation

[Thertel88]

All I know is, we can get alot of talent for some of our minor leaguers, maybe Tex at the deadline if ATL is out? I really wish we could get Melky out before his value goes down

[Recentiy03]

I am not sure Brackman is a starter? I know he is having or had Tommy John surgury, so he will be out for the year, but he was going to be a top 1-3 pick in last year's draft if he didn't need surgury/wasn't represented by Boras..so we stole him with a later pick, the talent for a top 1 pick is there, but he just wanted so much money only the Yanks could snag him. GOod for us, eh? I am not sure what the ultimate plan is for him, even if he was a starter, they might convert him to a releiver depending how he comes back...

As for Igawa, I think the Padres actually took him on waivers last year when he made him eligible but for some reason the Yankees pulled back out of it and didn't let SD take him. Although, if he has another bad year who knows who will want him.

I am playing a Scranton WIlksbury game with Horne right now...I need Melacon to close it out!!

[CGHitman14]

You sure are putting a lot of stock into unproven arms and guys who aren't even starters.

Be excited that they have some prospects, but it's a hell of a long shot to project them as having the best rotation in a few years. There are 1000's of prospects in the minors, but most of them don't pan out.

It's silly at this point to be drooling over a rotation which you have filled with players who have yet to make a MLB start. And remember, this is the NY Yankees. There's a much better chance that a few years from now your rotation will be anchored by C.C. Sabathia, Felix Hernandez and Erik Bedard than your own farm system.

[Recentiy03]

Exactly, that is why I said only Hughes and Joba are guarantees 5 years from now...and really, even Joba has had injury problems in the past...Hughes is pretty much the only guarantee to be in pinstripes 5 years down the road.

But, since we can't project unforeseeable trades, and we can project a roster filled with the best minor league talent, this is fun.

[Recentiy03]

Did anyone see Horne or Melancon pitch in sping training?

Horne's minor leaguer numbers are really impressive. His K/9 have gone up every year he has progressed through the minors. So he is getting better a the competition around him is getting better.

[Thertel88]

I am not sure Brackman is a starter? I know he is having or had Tommy John surgury, so he will be out for the year, but he was going to be a top 1-3 pick in last year's draft if he didn't need surgury/wasn't represented by Boras..so we stole him with a later pick, the talent for a top 1 pick is there, but he just wanted so much money only the Yanks could snag him. GOod for us, eh? I am not sure what the ultimate plan is for him, even if he was a starter, they might convert him to a releiver depending how he comes back...

As for Igawa, I think the Padres actually took him on waivers last year when he made him eligible but for some reason the Yankees pulled back out of it and didn't let SD take him. Although, if he has another bad year who knows who will want him.

I am playing a Scranton WIlksbury game with Horne right now...I need Melacon to close it out!!

Yeah he had TJS last year, and will be sidelined this year as well, but will move fast through the minor leagues. He was supposed to be taken with the 5 pick and we got him with 29 I believe. And to the poster above. I have half season tickets to SWB Yankees, and I have seen a few of these guys, and I havent seen many AAA pitchers better than the Yankees pitchers, and I hope to see some Trenton games

[Thertel88]

The Yankees outfield is stacked one Action Jackson makes his way up with Jose Tabata, and I really like what I see from Brett Gardner

[Recentiy03]

I don't even have room for all the outfielders on SWB now that Jason Lane is around. I called Gardner up to the big leagues and have Austin Jackon in center, Tabata in right and Lane in left. I just hope I don't hinder Gardner's development keeping him on the bench.

[Thertel88]

Lane isnt great, but hes a great pick up, and I hope the Yankees keep Ensberg in the Majors, I like him more than Shelley

[Recentiy03]

My bench has Shelly, Ensberg, Molina, and Gardner...for a while I had Betemit and a long guy in the bullpen but I sent down Karstens and Betemit for Ensberg and Garnder. Karstens was actually doing well, but once I put Joba back into the pen I shuffled things around a bit and Ensberg is hitting much better than Betemit was, plus he can play all the infield positions like Betemit.

I didn't lose anything really, unless Kennedy or Moose has trouble early, it can put a strain on the pen, but I can call someone up from AAA for a game or two while they recover.

SHelly wasn't hitting AT ALL for the first 60 games, and I like having him around, so I gave him a little boost in hitting ability, he is a 72 overall (73 potential) now. The way he hit the scene last year, the stats 2K gave him were just harsh. Same with Gardner, he needs a massive boost to his speed and steals, but that is more excusable on 2K's part since he has never played in the majors. All the HRs and still no love for Shelly.

[Thertel88]

People that think the Yankees arent making the playoffs are retarded. The Yankees were hurt April and May and from June 1st to Sept 30 the Yankees were 72-29 or something and the Red Sox were 60-50. Both teams were healthy from that point on, and they both have the same team as they have now. One slip up from the Red Sox, and the Yankees will take advantage

[yanks26ngoin]

Uhh, ok Mark Melancon will not be up in the majors this year. He was out all year last year. They dont know how he will be. But I can guarentee you this year is not the year he will be in the Bronx. This is Brett Gardners year in the Bronx, you can rest assured about that.

Gardner is so underrated in this game, especially his speed. His speed should be around a 90. And if anyone watches the Spring Training games, they will back that up. His contact should be up alittle too. Believe me, if he gets the call early in the year, im saying AL ROY. This guy is a flat out beast in the field, and on the base pads. Believe me, if you can turn a normal single into a stand up double, your something special.

[Thertel88]

Ok thats a little far. Joba, or Longoria will be ROY candidates

[vhschola]

Dont forget about Ellsbury you fking idiots

[The Yankee Faithful]

Dont forget about Ellsbury you fking idiots

Yeah, because Ellsbury is truly a God among mere mortals :rolleyes:

I'm looking for a Melancon CAP also. I already found a Brackman, but there are still more prospects than those 2 that the Yankees need to have in this game for franchise use.

[Thertel88]

This dude really thinks Ellsbury is the next great CF. Dude hes a slap hitter than steal. Hes not an average hitter.

[Recentiy03]

Melancon had surgery last year? Didn't know that, I guess he won't be pitching anytime soon in the Bronx then and I don't need his CAP as urgently. Some guy during the Cubs Rockies game was raving about him yesterday and said he would be this year's Joba not next, oh well.

But Garnder definitley needs some work done, the game undervalued him worse than they did Shelly Duncan. I put his bunting 96, bunt for hit 90+ , speed 94 , and stealing at 90+, then I bumped up his contact to rating vs. lefties and righties to 70 and gave him better profficency at all 3 outfield positions. His overall rating became 68 and his potential is 86 (B+). His contact may be too high, but I didn't see a hitting chart to accuratley track his numbers vs. righties and lefites and since his overall rating is still 68 I didn't make him overated, but he is a nice pinchrunner and 4th outfielder.

[vhschola]

Thanks for proving how stupid you Yankee fans are...slap hitter with speed...you know who they used to call a slap hitter with no real hitting talent......Wade Boggs.....fkin idiots.

[vhschola]

Oh yeah BTW Marc Melacon or however you spell it will be the next Craig Hansen OK..Count on it..the same things said about your idiot were said 2 years ago about Hansen and look where he is...arm injury and lost his nerve....1/2 right about your closer of the future now huh...

[The Yankee Faithful]

I just checked my rosters, and Brett Gardner isn't in my game :( (I'm using chrisjnelsons rosters, V1, if that matters).

Is he under the name Buddy Gaon (AA Trenton)?

[Thertel88]

Oh yeah BTW Marc Melacon or however you spell it will be the next Craig Hansen OK..Count on it..the same things said about your idiot were said 2 years ago about Hansen and look where he is...arm injury and lost his nerve....1/2 right about your closer of the future now huh...

Get the **** out of here. You dont know ****. All you have said is the Red Sox are better than the Yankees. Hes supposed to be in AAA in June, and be called up with Joba . You come in here to intentionally cause fights. Why come in a Yankee thread? You call Yankee fans *******s, yet you come in a thread you know nothing about and start talking about Jacob Ellsbury the greatest CF to play the game. Oh wait, AJax is going to be 10 times better ****in *******

[Thertel88]

Spring Numbers, and if spring numbers mean nothing then why do they have it?

Ellsbury 43 AB 3 R 9 H 4 RBI 6 SO 3 SB .271 OBP .209 AVG

Gardner 28 AB 7 R 11 H 3 RBI 4 SO 6 SB .469 OBP .393 AVG


Now in the regular season it will be differant, but besides ABs and RBI Brett Gardner has shown more promise. In ST .209 AVG is just uncalled for for someone with MLB experience at least with Jeter having .222 you know he will hit .300 during the season. Ellsbury is no guarantee

[Thertel88]

Giambi has the most promise this year because if he doesnt want to be treated like Barry Bonds he has to contribute with like 35 HR and I think he will

Between the Yankees and Red Sox

C- Varitek, only because I dont believe Posada will repeat his great year, and Varitek wants a nice extension from the Sox.

1B- Giambi, he will do what he does best and hit HRs and give Arod more pitches

2B- Cano

SS- Jeter

3B- Arod

LF- Manny

CF- Dont really like Melky and dont think he'll do well causing him to lose trade value so ill say Crisp since Ellsbury wont have the starting CF job with a .209 avg

RF- Abreu

DH- Ortiz

1. Beckett, even though he is injury prone
2. Pettitte
3. Hughes
4. Mussina, another one who wants a job this year. He wont have a spectacular year, but enough to carry his own and Bucholtz can only pitch so many innings and Wakefield is just as usefull as Mussina
5. Bucholtz/Wakefield unless Joba comes up

SU- Joba

CL- Toss up, though its more likely Papelbon will do better, Mariano still has it in him

[Recentiy03]

Where did you find a Brackman CAP?

I didn't even ask for that one since he he hasn't come back from his surgery yet, no one knows what his stuff will look like.

[Recentiy03]

Yankees top 2008 Prospects according to Peter Abraham of Baseball America:

1. Joba Chamberlain, RHP
2. Austin Jackson, OF
3. Jose Tabata, OF
4. Ian Kennedy, RHP
5. Alan Horne, RHP
6. Jesus Montero, C
7. Jeff Marquez, RHP
8. Brett Gardner, OF
9. Ross Ohlendorf, RHP
10. Andrew Brackman, RHP
11. Mark Melancon, RHP
12. Humberto Sanchez, RHP
13. Dellin Betances, RHP
14. Dan McCutchen, RHP
15. Kevin Whelan, RHP
16. Carmen Angelini, SS
17. George Kontos, RHP
18. Ivan Nova, RHP
19. Collin Curtis, OF
20. Jairo Heredia, RHP
21. Juan Miranda, 1B
22. Austin Romine, C
23. Francisco Cervelli, C
24. Dave Robertson, RHP
25. Mike Dunn, LHP
26. J.B. Cox, RHP
27. Mitch Hilligoss, INF
28. Scott Patterson, RHP
29. Edwar Ramirez, RHP
30. Zach McAllister, RHP

[CWSpartan9]

I love the way Yankees fans are watching their farm systems now since the media always ripped on them for just signing free agents. What a joke.

You guys are so stupid it is unreal. Be a fan of a real team for a while and you will realize that every prospect does not perform at the major league level. You will find that it is a total crapshoot once a player makes it to the majors.

You will learn that in a few years with your new experiment here.

Y do you think Steinbrenner didnt waste his time with the farm system and signed proven players? You think he doesn't know baseball.

I would be surprised if one of your ******* players turned out to be good.

[The Yankee Faithful]

Where did you find a Brackman CAP?

I didn't even ask for that one since he he hasn't come back from his surgery yet, no one knows what his stuff will look like.

- Credit to MetsJames03 from The Sports Lodge Forum for making the CAP

Andrew Brackman
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_457581.jpg
General
Height: 6'10”
Name: Andrew Brackman
Uniform Number: 64
Age: 22
Potential: B
Durability: 65
Weight: 270 lbs.
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Position: P

Accessories
Jersey Fit: Normal
Jersey Sleeves: Short
Jersey Top Button: Open
Pant Fit: Normal
Pant Style: Long
Undershirt Collar: T-Shirt
Undershirt Sleeves-Hot: 3/4
Undershirt Sleeves-Cold: 3/4
Glasses: No
Wears Shades: Never
Shades Type: Full Frame
Color 1: Uniform
Color 2: Uniform
Color 3: Uniform
Eye Black: No
Arm Sleeve: None
Color: Uniform
Wrist Tape: None
Color: Uniform
Wristband: None
Color: Uniform
Width: Medium
Number: No
Forearm Band: None
Color: Uniform
Elbow Band: None
Color: Uniform
Sock Style: No Stirrup
Shoes: High
Color 1: Uniform
Color 2: Uniform
Color 3: 1
Earrings: None

Batting and Fielding Gear
Bat Color: 0
Bat Size: Normal
Bat Tape: None
Color: Uniform
Pine Tar: None
Helmet Style: Normal
Helmet Pine Tar: No
Batting Gloves: Both
Color 1: Uniform
Color 2: Uniform
Color 3: Uniform
Wrist Brace: None
Color: Uniform
Elbow Guard: None
Color: Uniform
Shin Guard: None
Color 1: Uniform
Color 2: Uniform
Color 3: Uniform
Mitt Style: A
Finger Placement: Finger Out
Glove Under Mitt: Glove Off
Color 1: 1
Color 2: 8
Color 3: 8
Pocket Style: A
Color 1: 1
Color 2: 8

Catcher Gear
Catcher's Mask: Classic Wide
Color 1: Uniform
Color 2: Uniform
Color 3: Uniform
Vest Color 1: Uniform
Vest Color 2: Uniform
Vest Color 3: Uniform
Leg Guard: A
Color 1: Uniform
Color 2: Uniform
Color 3: Uniform

Appearance
Face: 4
Signature Style: None
Batting Stance: Normal
Stance Height: Medium
Signature Pitching: Jeremy Bonderman
Windup: High Over
Stretch: High Over
Chest: Large
Arms: Average
Stomach: Large
Butt: Large
Thighs: Average
Calf: Average

Hitting
Average
Against LHP: 20
Against RHP: 20
Doubles
Against LHP: 15
Against RHP: 15
Triples
Against LHP: 5
Against RHP: 5
Home Runs
Against LHP: 10
Against RHP: 10

Batter Fundamentals
Walks: 35
Strikeouts: 30
Speed: 44
Acceleration: 40
Steal: 10
Aggression: 10
Attentiveness: 55
Bunt: 55
Bunt For Hit: 10

Fielding
Range: 60
Anticipation: 65
Strength: 70
Accuracy: 66
Jump/Dive: 33
Catching: 66
Catcher: 5
1st Base: 15
2nd Base: 10
3rd Base: 10
Shortstop: 10
Left Field: 20
Center Field: 15
Right Field: 15
Block Plate: 0
Block Pitch: 0
Call Game: 0

Pitching
Stamina: 71
Strikeouts: 60
Walks Allowed: 45
Average
Against LHB: 47
Against RHB: 53
Doubles
Against LHB: 45
Against RHB: 52
Home Runs
Against LHB: 46
Against RHB: 50
Pickoff: 53
Composure: 65

Pitch Types
Fastball
2-Seam Fastball
Knuckle Curve
Changeup

Pitch Rating
Pitch #1: Fastball
Speed: 96
Control: 47
Movement: 45

Pitch #2: 2-Seam Fastball
Speed: 92
Control: 49
Movement: 57

Pitch #3: Knuckle Curve
Speed: 80
Control: 45
Movement: 63

Pitch #4: Changeup
Speed: 83
Control: 47
Movement: 55

OVERALL: 69


This is why I made a thread the other day asking if it was possible to create a player in later seasons during a franchise. Brackman probably won't see the Majors until the 09'-10' season. I would create him at the end of the 08'/early 09' season and let him develop in the minors.

[yanks26ngoin]

I love the way Yankees fans are watching their farm systems now since the media always ripped on them for just signing free agents. What a joke.

You guys are so stupid it is unreal. Be a fan of a real team for a while and you will realize that every prospect does not perform at the major league level. You will find that it is a total crapshoot once a player makes it to the majors.

You will learn that in a few years with your new experiment here.

Y do you think Steinbrenner didnt waste his time with the farm system and signed proven players? You think he doesn't know baseball.

I would be surprised if one of your ******* players turned out to be good.

We know that every prospect does not perform at a major league level. But we do know who will. The guys that will are IPK, Joba, Brett Gardner, Ross Ohlendorf, and most likely Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata.

[vhschola]

At least you are more reasonable than the other douche bag. I actually agree with what most of what you said, but that other moron was saying that like 20 guys that are in AA or A ar going to be superstars. Plus like that other idiot to say Ellsbury is going to be a "slap hitter" hahahahah he doesn't know baseball

[Thertel88]

When did I say 20 people would be superstars?

I said

Hughes
Chamberlain
Betances
Cano
and Melancon

I said the rest have a decent chance of being good. You dont read you just see what you want because you love causing fights. And what is he having a .209 avg?

[Thertel88]

"After being a World Series hero, winning the Rookie of the Year Award doesn't sound all that exciting. But going into the season, Ellsbury is one of the most likely candidates. He's all a team could ask for in a leadoff hitter and center fielder. He's a left-handed slap hitter, who consistently puts the ball in play, gets on base, and advances on the bases once he gets on.

Ellsbury's also a defensive center fielder worthy of taking over for Coco Crisp. While he's not quite at Crisps's level, he's still one of the best defensive center fielders in the majors. His arm is only average, but it's pretty accurate. After Crisp and Damon, any arm at all is an improvement.

As of yet, Ellsbury doesn't have much power, but he is young. If he eventually develops 15-20 home run power, he has the potential to be one of the best center fielders in the majors. But as of now, his OBP and speed work perfectly at the top of the Red Sox batting order, even if he isn't going to hit home runs."



Hmmm that sounds familiar.

[The Architect]

Ok im a Yankee fan, and lets not go that far. Yeah he will be good, but Joba was striking gold, and gold doesnt get struck two years in a row.


Although expect great things from Humberto Sanchez, Mark Melancon, JB Cox. But nothing like Joba, at least not yet. In 5 years, Humberto-Melancon will be the best SU-CL in the game. Kind of like Mo-Wettland in 96'


I'm also a yankee fan and i can truly say that i can wait to see the yanks five years from now. Their rotation will be young but with very high upsides

[The Architect]

You sure are putting a lot of stock into unproven arms and guys who aren't even starters.

Be excited that they have some prospects, but it's a hell of a long shot to project them as having the best rotation in a few years. There are 1000's of prospects in the minors, but most of them don't pan out.

It's silly at this point to be drooling over a rotation which you have filled with players who have yet to make a MLB start. And remember, this is the NY Yankees. There's a much better chance that a few years from now your rotation will be anchored by C.C. Sabathia, Felix Hernandez and Erik Bedard than your own farm system.

yea putting a lot of stock in unproven arms but the thing with the Yankees is they have so many guys that at least half or a small few will work out. They have both quantity and quality on their side.

And as far as cc, felix, or bedard maybe one of those three is likely and that might be a stretch. Cashman as well as hank are all about getting the payroll under control. And even if they wanted to trade for any of those guys they would have to give up their premium prospects something they a reluctant to do as of right now. They honestly feel that their kids are better than the things that are out there. Which is both good and bad

[knicks4life07]

is he even any good?

[The Architect]

is he even any good?


Age: 22
Height: 6′1″
Weight: 175 lbs
Drafted: 9th round, 2006, out of University of Arizona
Position: Relief Pitcher
Throws: Right

Stuff: Melancon has great stuff, owning a plus 94-96 MPH fastball, a plus 12-6 curveball, and was beginning to learn a 2-seamer and a changeup.

Control/Performance: Melancon has good control and command by all accounts. He signed late to play in 2006, but had a nice 6-game cameo at LoA Staten Island, pitching 6.2 innings and allowed 5 H, 2 BB, and struck out 7. He also saved 2 games before getting Tommy John surgery after the Hawaiian Winter Baseball League in 2006.

Outlook: Melancon is the leading in-house option to replace Mariano Rivera as the closer, and concerns over his elbow lowered his draft status from the 1st round to the 9th. David Robertson could gain on him if Melancon is not healthy. We need to see more of him to make a true judgment, but he has great stuff as is and it needs to be polished more. Again, he projects to be a closer.

Ceiling: A-, Health: C+, Comparison: too early to tell
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i'm not going to sit here and say he is doing to dominate hitters from day one but the kid has got good stuf

[theyungone11]

can someone please make a cap of Jesus Montero cause i want him as my catcher of the future and can someone post one of mark melancon too

[Recentiy03]

Montero isn't in the game? I thought he was but listed under a fake name?

[theyungone11]

naw hes not in there

[jdeszcz]

Cashman as well as hank are all about getting the payroll under control.

From non-Yankee fan point of view Cashman is all about getting the payroll under control, I do believe that. He's always been that way, but it's gotten so bloated thanks to George's wants. You can practically see the panic in Cashman's eyes when the Yanks would start to falter with their crazy payroll, he was going to take the blame, just as George was going to take the glory if they won. I would tend to think that if the ways of the controlled payroll don't work out that Hank will start wanting to spend on every high flying free agent just like his dad.

Now as I Tribe fan it would pain me to see CC leave Cleveland and while I'd love to see him give a hometown discount of sorts I'm not naive enough to believe he will. My only think is look how badly he struggled last year in the playoffs...makes me wonder if he'd have success in the bright lights of NY on a regular basis?

[theyungone11]

can someone please post the caps for Montero and Melancon i need them for my franchise

[Thertel88]

From non-Yankee fan point of view Cashman is all about getting the payroll under control, I do believe that. He's always been that way, but it's gotten so bloated thanks to George's wants. You can practically see the panic in Cashman's eyes when the Yanks would start to falter with their crazy payroll, he was going to take the blame, just as George was going to take the glory if they won. I would tend to think that if the ways of the controlled payroll don't work out that Hank will start wanting to spend on every high flying free agent just like his dad.

Now as I Tribe fan it would pain me to see CC leave Cleveland and while I'd love to see him give a hometown discount of sorts I'm not naive enough to believe he will. My only think is look how badly he struggled last year in the playoffs...makes me wonder if he'd have success in the bright lights of NY on a regular basis?

No matter what, CC will likely win the CY Young again this year

If the Yankees dont make the playoffs and CC hits FA, he is a Yankee

Actually no matter what, if he hits FA he will be a Yankee because the Yankees didnt land Santana, and they lose Mussina and Pettitte after this season and they cant rely on a 5 man rotation below 25 years old.

I think the only chance he stays in CLE is if they make the ALCS again, maybe even the playoffs

[jdeszcz]

No matter what, CC will likely win the CY Young again this year

If the Yankees dont make the playoffs and CC hits FA, he is a Yankee

Actually no matter what, if he hits FA he will be a Yankee because the Yankees didnt land Santana, and they lose Mussina and Pettitte after this season and they cant rely on a 5 man rotation below 25 years old.

I think the only chance he stays in CLE is if they make the ALCS again, maybe even the playoffs

It'll be interesting to see what happens with CC to say the least. Not sure if he'll win the Cy Young again or not, tons of great pitchers out there, of course this is a contract year for him.

You sound awfully confident that he'll be in pinstripes though...actually I'm not sure if I know what you think...one minute you say he'll be in NY no matter what and the next you say he might stay in Cleveland if they make the ALCS or playoffs in general.

Honestly I don't think he'll be back in Cleveland, but I'm fairly confident that he won't be in pinstripes...not sure why, but I just get that vibe. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up on the West Coast being he's a California guy.

[theyungone11]

can somebody help me with the caps of Jesus Montero and Mark Melancon please i really need them

[Thertel88]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with CC to say the least. Not sure if he'll win the Cy Young again or not, tons of great pitchers out there, of course this is a contract year for him.

You sound awfully confident that he'll be in pinstripes though...actually I'm not sure if I know what you think...one minute you say he'll be in NY no matter what and the next you say he might stay in Cleveland if they make the ALCS or playoffs in general.

Honestly I don't think he'll be back in Cleveland, but I'm fairly confident that he won't be in pinstripes...not sure why, but I just get that vibe. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up on the West Coast being he's a California guy.

Im not guaranteeing him being a Yankee im just saying, it depends on how the Indians do. If the indians dont make the playoffs, why would he stay? Hes going to make more than Santana, he has better numbers, and is younger. The possible placements for him are the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, and Dodgers. And the Yankees were willing to give Santana 200M, its the players the Yankees didnt want to give up. Your forgetting who we have as our Owner, and new part ower, Hank and George who will overpay Sabathia to pitch here. Sabathia and Wang are bother 17-20 game winners, and the dream of having them both 27 years old pitching in NY is a nice feeling. I dont care who hates the Yankees for spending so much for these players, but whats the point of the game? Winning. And the Yankees have used their money on offense instead of pitching all of these years. If they add Sabathia to the staff of Wang Hughes (possibly Pettitte) Kennedy and Joba Chamberlain, their team would finally have a team great enough to win..

[soldaderyan]

wow nice thread :D

[jdeszcz]

And the Yankees have used their money on offense instead of pitching all of these years. If they add Sabathia to the staff of Wang Hughes (possibly Pettitte) Kennedy and Joba Chamberlain, their team would finally have a team great enough to win..


WHAT??? It seems you've forgotten about the likes of Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Roger Clemens and Carl Pavano...there's others out there too. I would say that's quite a bit of cabbage on those fellas!

As for why would CC stay if they miss the playoffs you make it sound like if Cleveland doesn't make it this year they are going to disband the team? It's arguable that Cleveland is as well rounded a team as any in the entire league. They've got the likes of Sizemore, Martinez, Hafner, Peralta, Carmona, Westbrook and others locked up for the forseeable future, not to mention they've got one of the better minor league programs out there. I'm in no way saying that Cleveland is NY or Boston, we all know they don't have that kind of money, but talent wise they've currently got the nucleus to match both of those franchises. AND if NY really starts watching their payroll like they've said they are going to it will only work to the benefit of teams like the Tribe. Like I said earlier though, I'll believe NY is being more fiscally sound with their payroll when I see it.

Hughes needs to stay healthy, Chamberlain needs to prove he can be a starter...not just an every other day, one innnig wonder. And what is really known about Kennedy except he looks like a pretty good prospect? Cleveland had their hopes up for the likes of Cliff Lee & Jeremy Sowers last year, less than two months into the season both of those guys were down in Buffalo.

[Thertel88]

WHAT??? It seems you've forgotten about the likes of Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Roger Clemens and Carl Pavano...there's others out there too. I would say that's quite a bit of cabbage on those fellas!

As for why would CC stay if they miss the playoffs you make it sound like if Cleveland doesn't make it this year they are going to disband the team? It's arguable that Cleveland is as well rounded a team as any in the entire league they've got the likes of Sizemore, Martinez, Hafner, Peralta, Carmona and other locked up for the forseeable future. I'm in no way saying that Cleveland is NY or Boston, we all know they don't have that kind of money, but talent wise they've got the nucleus to match both of those franchises. AND if NY really starts watching their payroll like they are supposedly going to it will only work to the benefit of teams like the Tribe .

Hughes needs to stay healthy, Chamberlain needs to prove he can be a starter...not just an every other day, one innnig wonder. And what is really known about Kennedy except he looks like a pretty good prospect? Cleveland had their hopes up for the likes of Cliff Lee & Jeremy Sowers last year, less than two months into the season both of those guys were down in Buffalo.

Im not saying they would disband. The only reason CC would leave is to get more money in FA. Im not saying hes getting traded. Dont be naive and think that CLE is an automatic pick for Sabathia. Sure he says he would love to play there, thats like Santana saying he wants to stay in Min. Its where the money is. Are Cleveland willing to give him the money? Brown and Johnson were traded to the Yankees, they werent FAs. Hughes had 1 set back, so now hes an injury problem? And Joba pitched 16 no earned run innings, and thats not proven? Hes not going to start until at least July. We have Humberto Sanchez coming up in mid season to be the 6th inning man if Joba stays in the pen. And Humberto has Joba like stuff. So that means all of our pitchers would only have to pitch 5 innings in some games.

[Thertel88]

What people have to realize is that players only hit FA once in their prime, and they wont pass up better deals just to stay. If he is offered 7 years 155M from the Yankees and 5 years 110M from Cleveland, he is going to take the Yankees offer. Likely the Yankees will offer 25M per year, at least thats what I read in the paper if Sabathia hits FA.

Not many teams go passed 5 years in a deal.

[jdeszcz]

Im not saying they would disband. The only reason CC would leave is to get more money in FA. Im not saying hes getting traded. Dont be naive and think that CLE is an automatic pick for Sabathia. Sure he says he would love to play there, thats like Santana saying he wants to stay in Min. Its where the money is. Are Cleveland willing to give him the money? Brown and Johnson were traded to the Yankees, they werent FAs. Hughes had 1 set back, so now hes an injury problem? And Joba pitched 16 no earned run innings, and thats not proven? Hes not going to start until at least July. We have Humberto Sanchez coming up in mid season to be the 6th inning man if Joba stays in the pen. And Humberto has Joba like stuff. So that means all of our pitchers would only have to pitch 5 innings in some games.

I never once said I thought Cleveland was the pick for CC...read back through my posts, I stated I that I don't think he'll be back in Cleveland, but also didn't think he'll end up in NY...my money would be on the West Coast being he's a California guy.

OK, so Brown & Johnson were acquired via trade, your putting blinders on though if you are going to just ignore the bloated salaries that NY took on when acquiring them.

Joba - 16 no run innings? Not that's not proven, not as a starter throwing 5+ innings ever 5th day. I would say that he's not even a proven reliever yet, sure he was dominant last year, but show me consistency. Look up Brad Lidge or Rick Ankiel sometime...

Hughes - OK, so maybe he's not injury prone, probably overstated that...

Sanchez - how do you really know how the kid will perform under the lights in Yankee Stadium in a pressure situation?

And the theory that starters will only have to go 5 innings is not a very good one. The bullpen will be absolutely gassed come July & August if your starters are only giving you 5 innings a game.

I'm not trying to flame, I just think that some of the Yankee fan expectations are awfully lofty with what I would consider unproven talent. Being a stud in the minors doesn't necessarily translate to the bigs, I know you know that, but just feel it needs to be pointed out.

I will say this though, it's AWESOME to see that Yankees and their fans now be able to talk about their minor league system and that they have more than a prospect or two. The fact that they are growing players now and grooming them through the A, AA, AAA levels as opposed to doing everything through free agency, I think, is a huge plus for baseball.

[jdeszcz]

What people have to realize is that players only hit FA once in their prime, and they wont pass up better deals just to stay. If he is offered 7 years 155M from the Yankees and 5 years 110M from Cleveland, he is going to take the Yankees offer. Likely the Yankees will offer 25M per year, at least thats what I read in the paper if Sabathia hits FA.

Not many teams go passed 5 years in a deal.

Your absolutely right, but don't be so short sighted that NYY will be the only ones out there offering the big money. Boston might...LAA might...LAD might...SF might...who knows...the Cubs might...White Sox?...Detroit?...maybe Cleveland throws caution to the wind and sayd "We cannot lose this guy" and ponies up? I would say though that today there are more teams will to spend big money than five or six years ago.

[Thertel88]

No, yeah Im with you, those contracts were large, and I was against every one of them, except Clemens. Joba was dominant last year, thats all we have, theres no guarantee how he'll do this year. Now of course because you dont live in NY you dont know about Hughes no its not a big deal to over think that, but its like saying it about Bucholtz after going through fatigue after 3 starts. Sanchez only problem with me is getting over his injury. Now he is injury prone. But he grew up in the Bronx, so pitching in NY I dont think will be a problem. And I didnt say every time they pitch they only have to pitch 5 innings, im just saying every few starts they might only need 5 innings because Sanchez can go at least 1 inning(supposed to be a starter) Chamberlain can go at least 2(supposed to be a starter) and Rivera can pitch 1. Now we also have Latroy, Farnsy, Traber, and 1 more long relief. I think the bullpen for us will be great.


Thank Cashman for our young team, but we have 85M per year coming off the books after this season so expect the Yankees to use 40 of that on Texiera and CC. Our Payroll should be as low as the Mets and Red Sox if we dont sign Tex or CC

[Thertel88]

Your absolutely right, but don't be so short sighted that NYY will be the only ones out there offering the big money. Boston might...LAA might...LAD might...SF might...who knows...the Cubs might...White Sox?...Detroit?...maybe Cleveland throws caution to the wind and sayd "We cannot lose this guy" and ponies up? I would say though that today there are more teams will to spend big money than five or six years ago.

Its not money, its years

Boston wont go over 5.

I think it will be between the Yankees Indians Angels and Cubs with the possibility of the Dodgers.

[jdeszcz]

I know what you are saying about years, but my point was when you are talking like $20-$25M per year there are only a few teams that can touch that.

Boston might not go over 5, or they might not have in the past, but Theo is a pretty shrewed guy and I think if it's the right player, situation, etc. that he'd bend the rules some...similar to what I think Shapiro might do in Cleveland.

Bottom line for me though is that man I'd hate to see him go I understand that it's foolish to think that Cleveland is actually going to get him to stay. Now I guess I just need to see how the season plays out. It's going to suck seeing another stud play out a season and then just watch him walk off into "greener" pastures like Belle (even though he was a colossal *****), Manny, Thome...actually I thought Thome was going to stay in Cleveland, seemed like a down home kind of guy that valued the team and stuff like that, but he ended up bolting for Philly. It was a bit of a different situation with Thome though as they were entering the rebuilding years, but still if Thome didn't stick around it's almost assurance to me that CC won't.

[Thertel88]

I know what you are saying about years, but my point was when you are talking like $20-$25M per year there are only a few teams that can touch that.

Boston might not go over 5, or they might not have in the past, but Theo is a pretty shrewed guy and I think if it's the right player, situation, etc. that he'd bend the rules some...similar to what I think Shapiro might do in Cleveland.

Bottom line for me though is that man I'd hate to see him go I understand that it's foolish to think that Cleveland is actually going to get him to stay. Now I guess I just need to see how the season plays out. It's going to suck seeing another stud play out a season and then just watch him walk off into "greener" pastures like Belle (even though he was a colossal *****), Manny, Thome...actually I thought Thome was going to stay in Cleveland, seemed like a down home kind of guy that valued the team and stuff like that, but he ended up bolting for Philly. It was a bit of a different situation with Thome though as they were entering the rebuilding years, but still if Thome didn't stick around it's almost assurance to me that CC won't.

Well I hate to seem like an *******, but you still have Carmona. A month ago there wasnt a doubt in my mind that CC would stay because he seemed determined to stay, but to end talks and wait till the end of the year, it doesnt sound good for you, because he will talk with shapiro 2 days before he can talk to other teams which means he will definetly wind up talking to other teams.

[LConte17]

where did my laptop go.....


oh snap, Clay Bucholz is running down teh street with it...........




anyways as a yankees fan
im excited for what the yankees prospect potentially can become. I dont expect every player to become superstars. I expect Joba and Phil to become Studs. i do expect Austin Jackson, Tabata, Montero, Dellin and Sanchez to become All star caliber players... the rest im iffy about. and yes im iffyy about Ian Kennedy, im not sold on him yet... i mean remember chase wright? yah i see to much chase wright in ian kennedy

[Thertel88]

where did my laptop go.....


oh snap, Clay Bucholz is running down teh street with it...........




anyways as a yankees fan
im excited for what the yankees prospect potentially can become. I dont expect every player to become superstars. I expect Joba and Phil to become Studs. i do expect Austin Jackson, Tabata, Montero, Dellin and Sanchez to become All star caliber players... the rest im iffy about. and yes im iffyy about Ian Kennedy, im not sold on him yet... i mean remember chase wright? yah i see to much chase wright in ian kennedy

I agree, most people do not, but most people havent seen these players like I have. Montero doesnt have All Star potential, but can pop 25-35 HRs. Dellin will be an AWESOME pitcher, same with Sanchez, probably will be the best Set Up man in the game leading to Melancon who you forgot to mention. JB Cox should be mentioned too. Tabata is close to a guarantee, AJax has to work a little more. Kennedy is NOTHING like Chase Wright. Kennedy will not be a stud, but he has Mussina prime like stuff. Alot of fans of other teams think we overrate our youngsters because we didntt have a good minor league system for a while, but do you forget, Jeter, Posada, Mariano. Its not like we know nothing because we have had a poor minor league system.

[Metsfan08]

I agree, most people do not, but most people havent seen these players like I have. Montero doesnt have All Star potential, but can pop 25-35 HRs. Dellin will be an AWESOME pitcher, same with Sanchez, probably will be the best Set Up man in the game leading to Melancon who you forgot to mention. JB Cox should be mentioned too. Tabata is close to a guarantee, AJax has to work a little more. Kennedy is NOTHING like Chase Wright. Kennedy will not be a stud, but he has Mussina prime like stuff. Alot of fans of other teams think we overrate our youngsters because we didntt have a good minor league system for a while, but do you forget, Jeter, Posada, Mariano. Its not like we know nothing because we have had a poor minor league system.


So you're saying Mussina in his prime wasn't a stud?

[Jpitt005]

where did my laptop go.....


oh snap, Clay Bucholz is running down teh street with it...........




HA HA.......... I'm a sox fan but thats funny...

[Jpitt005]

He was the lookout........ or at least that what he says

[Thertel88]

So you're saying Mussina in his prime wasn't a stud?

Just because you have Mussina like stuff, doesnt make you Mussina.

[Jpitt005]

You can have good pitches but you have to know when to throw them and have the command to place them

[ThePieMan]

Definition of Smart Pitcher- See Greg Maddux.

[Recentiy03]

[QUOTE=LConte17]where did my laptop go.....


oh snap, Clay Bucholz is running down teh street with it...........




greatest post ever!

[jdeszcz]

Well I hate to seem like an *******, but you still have Carmona. A month ago there wasnt a doubt in my mind that CC would stay because he seemed determined to stay, but to end talks and wait till the end of the year, it doesnt sound good for you, because he will talk with shapiro 2 days before he can talk to other teams which means he will definetly wind up talking to other teams.

I don't think you sound like an ******* at all. If CC does indeed leave, and regardless of where, the optimal thing to happen this season is for Carmona to have another dominant year and get one more year of experience under his belt so that he can assume the #1 spot in the rotation. I have to say that after Carmona seemingly died out there on the mound at the end of the '06 season in relief it was hard for me to buy all of the talk about how he was going to be as good as the likes of Peter Gammons said. I really thought it was going to just weigh on him, but apparently he got over it.

CC's not a dumb guy either, unless Cleveland offered him exactly what he was looking for at the time he wasn't going to continue negotiations. It'll be interesting to see what kind of season Sabathia has this year. What if he struggles through the season like he did in the playoffs last year?

[BrandH]

All right I have been reading this and you guys are nauseating. So pretty much every Yankee prospect is gonna be an superstar? Ha ha ha.
Also I know a little about Sanchez and he has been a starter. He has never even pitched in a Major League game and you are ready to call him the best set up man in 5 years in the game. You are ignorant.

I can play this game too. Rick Porcello is goning be better than Nolan Ryan. Do you realize how stupid you all sound making claims like that.

[jdeszcz]

All right I have been reading this and you guys are nauseating. So pretty much every Yankee prospect is gonna be an superstar? Ha ha ha.
Also I know a little about Sanchez and he has been a starter. He has never even pitched in a Major League game and you are ready to call him the best set up man in 5 years in the game. You are ignorant.

I can play this game to. Rick Porcello is gone be better than Nolan Ryan. Do you realize how stupid you all sound making claims like that.

Haha...yeah, I was trying to go about the discussion the diplomatic route. While I do think that it's good to see NYY trying to build from within as opposed to just whimsically spending millions that approach somehow now has the Yankee fans thinking that ever arm in their system is golden.