Feedback experiment Underway...

[s38s38s]

Thought I'd let you guys know Lanky and myself are conducting a FB% experiment not too many details right now but there will be updates and feedback from either him or myself. I look forward to posting the results.:D

[amid]

my 'experiment' is complete:

831 raters
Negative: 40
Feedback Rating: 95%

if you don't cheat, don't play quick (easy win) matches, don't play yellow faces and respect your opponent, there is no problem.

any questions on the 'experiment'?

[Skorge]

the feedback rating system is lame...I dont have time to sit there for 45 mins trying to get a game with a high ranked player. I only have time to play maybe one game a day on weekdays...unlike others. So when I go online I usually join the lobby, go to All Pro, and accept the challenge I get or either challenge other players regardless of feedback.

First of all I'm pretty much already screwed now, my feedback is 66%, so nobody with 95% will accept my challenge because of my low feedback, secondly who cares anyway. I don't want to play you if you are so uptight about feedback. I play 100% SIM and don't even care about feedback, because you can always quit the game anytime, and that is usually what I end up doing on cheese heads.

But anyway I wish they totally removed the feedback system and went off of just reputation like MMORPGs, etc.

That way it creates a tighter community, based on experiences, not just stupid numbers.

[s38s38s]

So far through Seven "Legend Lobby Games" my FB% is at 100


Noted opponents-

Supa Sava Ho-90%
Bofa Deez3-94% (Doing this off memory)
iamsonnersam-91%
NFLHITMAN-94%
ducetrey1-90+% (Doing this off memory)
dazzo47-90+% (Doing this off memory)
lankylegz89- 92%

3/24/08 Newest Opponents-I'm still at 100%

Ricco Razz-91%


All of the off memory %'s will be updated accordingly.

[Lankylegz]

the feedback rating system is lame...I dont have time to sit there for 45 mins trying to get a game with a high ranked player. I only have time to play maybe one game a day on weekdays...unlike others. So when I go online I usually join the lobby, go to All Pro, and accept the challenge I get or either challenge other players regardless of feedback.

First of all I'm pretty much already screwed now, my feedback is 66%, so nobody with 95% will accept my challenge because of my low feedback, secondly who cares anyway. I don't want to play you if you are so uptight about feedback. I play 100% SIM and don't even care about feedback, because you can always quit the game anytime, and that is usually what I end up doing on cheese heads.

But anyway I wish they totally removed the feedback system and went off of just reputation like MMORPGs, etc.

That way it creates a tighter community, based on experiences, not just stupid numbers.

Thats the point of the test is to finalize if the feedback system means anything. My feedback was 75% before i reset my name. Now i have 92%. 1 negative out of 12 Legend Lobby games. We will see after 50+ games if it is flawed. These guys with their great feedback think they sit all high and mighty because they have good feedback from playing their friends. We are doing this to prove if you play custom games or quick matches you will get negative just for winning. I was tired of people saying I must be cheese because my feedback was 75%. Well this is to prove them wrong.

[amid]

they have good feedback from playing their friends.
just a note: if you have 3 friends and you play 200 games with them you will only have 3 feedback results.

[xManning1018x]

just a note: if you have 3 friends and you play 200 games with them you will only have 3 feedback results.

QFT :thumbsup:

[Lankylegz]

just a note: if you have 3 friends and you play 200 games with them you will only have 3 feedback results.

LOL good point. I was wrong there. I guess i should have said from playing guys in the lobby. Most guys int he lobby give good feedback. Guys that play custom seem to be poor sports when they lose.

[tpaterniti]

Right. You only get one rating per person. If they gave you a postive last time you played and give you another positive next time you play, your % will be unchanged. The system is not flawed, it just isn't perfect. If you play quick matches, expect a lot of bad FB. People who play quick matches are generally people with such bad FB or rep that no one will play them in the lobby. Lanky is an exception, but that is who is rating him negative.

[Valdarez]

This is a silly test and will ultimately prove nothing as long as you have two accounts. If you create a new account with the sole purpose of getting a positive rating, then odds are you will achieve it. Odds are just as good you will play one way on one account, and another way on an another account.

Best advice - quit worrying about what other people think.

[Lankylegz]

This is a silly test and will ultimately prove nothing as long as you have two accounts. If you create a new account with the sole purpose of getting a positive rating, then odds are you will achieve it. Odds are just as good you will play one way on one account, and another way on an another account.

Best advice - quit worrying about what other people think.

I wouldn't say it's pointless. And yes if we played different then it wouldn't be accurate but we are playing the same. You will just have to take our word for that. Same team same everything. I played Tpat the exact same way i always play him. You can ask him. I think it's a good test. A lot of discussion on these forums if the FB% is flawed. I think this helps answer a lot of those questions. I for the most part agree with Tpat. If you play guys that are over 90% you will generally get a good games out of it and get rated good but i have also played cheesers that have over 90%. I think like Tpat said there is an exception to be made. Just because someone has 75% you can't accuse them of unfair play. You can decide not to play them but don't be judgemental. I think especially if respectable people say that person plays fair on the forums you should man up and play them.

BTW... I don't care what people think online. I do what i believe is right. My other motive in doing this is so i can play some of the other guys in the lobby that refuse to play 90% and below. Also, i am canceling my other account. This is my new account for good. So that defeats your argument that I will play one way on one account and another way on the other account.

[s38s38s]

This is a silly test and will ultimately prove nothing as long as you have two accounts. If you create a new account with the sole purpose of getting a positive rating, then odds are you will achieve it. Odds are just as good you will play one way on one account, and another way on an another account.

Best advice - quit worrying about what other people think.


The point of this is not try to trick anyone, it is simply to discredit the fact that in "Custom Matches" reguardless of play style "SIM" or Cheese, can literally screw your FB%...but since you seem to know so much I have a test for you Val, go play 50 Custom Matches and tell me if your FB% of 96% (I think) doesn't take a substantial hit.

[Valdarez]

My first 100 matches were custom matches (didn't know about lobby or Sim then), and you definitely do get more negatives when playing those matches. It's where all but 4 of my negatives were received (8 of my 12 negatives were received I believe).

Of course, to be fair, in the early days of APF2K8, I was doing things that were not Sim. APF2K8 was a new game to me, and I was playing it online for the first time, and playing it just like I would play the computer AI. I wasn't trying to 'simulate' a real football game, I was just trying to win. Boffa was one of the first players to show me what Sim was, and why players get mad when you do something that exploits the AI.

I agree that you will still play the occasional cheezer at 90%. Feedback by no means guarantees a fair game. A high feedback simply improves your chances of getting one.

[Lankylegz]

My first 100 matches were custom matches (didn't know about lobby or Sim then), and you definitely do get more negatives when playing those matches. It's where 8 of my 12 negatives were received.

I agree that you will sill play the occasional cheezer at 90%. Feedback by no means guarantees a fair game. A high feedback simply improves your chances of getting one.

Thats our point really. People are so quick to be judgemental over somebody with bad feedback and call them cheese and everything else. Our point is that you can decide not to play them... thats fine, thats your right but don't make fun of them and call them cheese when you haven't played them or heard anything bad about them. Thats all I am saying. I have never really been called cheese but by maybe a hand full of people since i got this game and non of them were respectable people but i see guys on these forums all the time that get hammered because their feedback is bad. It's like thats the only think people can pick on them about is their feedback. I just don't think that is right to do to anybody.

[s38s38s]

Either way back to the topic at hand....the experiment will continue, I wouldn't waste the time or money if I thought it was a waste.:D

[s38s38s]

So far through Seven "Legend Lobby Games" my FB% is at 100


Noted opponents-

Supa Sava Ho-90%
Bofa Deez3-94% (Doing this off memory)
iamsonnersam-91%
NFLHITMAN-94%
ducetrey1-90+% (Doing this off memory)
dazzo47-90+% (Doing this off memory)
lankylegz89- 92%

3/24/08 Newest Opponents-I'm still at 100%

Ricco Razz-91%


All of the off memory %'s will be updated accordingly.

[Lankylegz]

I have played 13 and mine is 93%. One negative. I have ran into 2 cheesers over 90% feedback but they still left me positive. Definitely getting better games and much better competition and not nearly as many sore losers! Besides the wait i am liking lobby games better.

[s38s38s]

So far through Seven "Legend Lobby Games" my FB% is at 100


Noted opponents-

Supa Sava Ho-90%
Bofa Deez3-94% (Doing this off memory)
iamsonnersam-91%
NFLHITMAN-94%
ducetrey1-90+% (Doing this off memory)
dazzo47-90+% (Doing this off memory)
lankylegz89- 92%

3/24/08 Newest Opponent-I'm still at 100%

Ricco Razz-91%

3/25/08 Newest Opponent-Down to 90%

JSHORTY21-84%(this guy is cheese FG blocks and all goes for it on 4th etc.)
Gave me abuses exploits after he lost. (I was ****ed)

DMannDD-90+%

All of the off memory %'s will be updated accordingly.

[amid]

this is the kind of experiments the US govt will have if hilary becomes pres :cool:

[Gunther]

this is the kind of experiments the US govt will have if hilary becomes pres :cool:
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[B4Titor5100]

Couple questions...


How long have you been running the experiment? When was point A?
How many games did you play before resseting and what is the the "independent variable"?

[s38s38s]

It started about two days before my first post. The actual point was one to prove that even though my FB% was 73-75 that I was a SIM player, 2nd so I could get games against the better lobby players. Before the reset my record was around 140-50 Wins and 6 Losses.

[nflhitman]

I like to have my opponents to have atleast a 75% feedback but I do still play some under that out of curiosity. I will play anyone and that is the #1 reason I am in the mid 90's on feedback instead of the high 90's. I do believe if your game is really good that you will get a lot of un fair negative feedback because some people can't believe that you beat them that bad unless you cheesed them LOL. I lose a lot more than I did on 2K5 because I am always changing my teams just to have fun with it. I have probably changed my teams everyday since I had APF 2K8. I have deleted my roster and started over about 10 times. If I wanted to win every game I would take a team that my set up was perfect to my gameplay and play with that team every game but than this game would get old in a hurry. If you win all the time I don't care what you say because you would get bored with this game quickly.

[B4Titor5100]

The experiment may prove something to you but no one else.

[s38s38s]

This is experiment is for me only my friend...also the FB I've received is from respected players, but honestly I could care less, because I know I play straight up. Thats all nothing more nothing less. I'm not here to prove anything, except Quick/Custom games will screw your FB% just b/c people rat low b/c they lose. I made the thread so people wouldn't be surprised when they saw the new GT.

[B4Titor5100]

I think you screwed u the experiment then.

[nflhitman]

I think you need to watch more DR. Phil instead of being on a forum for Grown UPS!