Can't Throw Change-ups?

[dougyfreshmd]

Hi everyone,

When I attempt to throw a change-up (pushing the right analog stick forward/up, and then doing the second motion of backwards/down) it registers the pitch as a fastball, and gives my gesture poor marks (which isn't surprising, seeing as how I'm doing a change-up gesture, not a fastball gesture.) I can understand if I were trying to throw a slurve and getting a slider or something, where the gestures are similar, and I'm not being precise enough, but this seems silly.

I can probably get 1 out of 10 to be classified as a change-up, but it cripples me as a pitcher when I can't throw a pitch with more consistancy. The gesture indicator, showing what your gesture was for the last pitch, sometimes shows my gesture being exactly a change-up gesture (but graded a 17, because the game thinks its a fastball) or it only shows my forward/up gesture, and not the second half of it. When it doesn't register the second motion, I end up hitting batters or throwing fastballs WAY outside.

What the heck is going on, and how do it make this stop?

Edit: I have tried both my wireless and wired controlers (both Microsoft products), so it isn't my controler messing up.

[jeffy777]

Happens to me sometimes to. Not sure what's up with it.

[maxjive]

I never had that problem, are you certain that your motions/gestures are correct? If you're off by just a little, say straight up and then down slightly diagonally, what you said would happen.

[jeffy777]

If the gesture was off, wouldn't it throw a meatball instead of a fastball though?

[b-Dub]

I've never had a change up register as a fastball. I have seen the computer get confused between curve balls and sliders at times, though. That usually has to do with here my ending gesture ends up when rotation the stick.

[dougyfreshmd]

maxjive, I am doing the right motion. It's not a comlicated motion, and frankly, it's registering the EXACTLY OPPOSITE motion as the pitch I am attempting to throw. It's not a matter of a curve/slurve mix up, where I can attribute it to my mistake. It is a black and white difference between change-up and fastball, as far as the motion/gesture goes. It would be tough to screw up a change-up motion, and have it be THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what I was trying to do. Even the gesture meter on the side of the screen shows my motion is that of a change-up.

This has seemed to happen more and more as I've been playing more and more games. I'm going to buy a new controler and try it out I guess, seeing as how I am the only one experiencing this to such a degree.

[QuietStud25]

I had this problem the other night with chris carpenter's curveball... he or I one was having problems. I think it was mostly ME though. My brother put up 6 runs in the first before I figured the problem out.

[dougyfreshmd]

jeffy777, I think it would throw a meatball if the gesture was off enough, not a fastball. I have no idea what is going on.

[dougyfreshmd]

I had this problem the other night with chris carpenter's curveball... he or I one was having problems. I think it was mostly ME though. My brother put up 6 runs in the first before I figured the problem out.

It was throwing a fastball instead of a curveball? How did you fix it? I'm doing the motion as exact as I can make it and it refused to throw a change-up for me.

[Metsfan08]

This happens to me about 8/10 times I try to throw a change up with the "total control pitching"

[dougyfreshmd]

Metsfan08, have you done anything to fix it, or avoid it, or are you just suffering through? Is there another pitching scheme that you use?

[Metsfan08]

Well, for offline play you can revert to the old pitching system, but when I use the new pitching there's still nothing I can do about it, it's almost always a fastball instead of a changeup.

[Taralom]

This also happens to me, but not very often. At first I thought I was just not paying attention, but then it happened again and this time I know I did it right. I haven't really thought much about it, since it seems to happen maybe 5% of my change ups (might even be less).

[SFG MLB]

I have your answer my friends!

I had this same issuse and it was ****ing me off until I learned you must come back down slower to get the Change-UP!

You can push up fast but while coming back down on the stick you must come back slower as it throwS softer and I was coming back down as if a fastball and that what I would get.

2nd issue I found was throwing it correct but out of the zone and this was do to not coming back down in a straight line making it go for a ball.

Change-Ups was the hardest for me more so then Zito's and Burrentt's Curveballs!

[Metsfan08]

Thanks, I'll try that out later

[skippy03]

Also, were you attempting to throw a change when the catcher was calling for a fastball? I've had that experience when throwing a change when the catcher called for a heater, but never otherwise.

[dougyfreshmd]

Also, were you attempting to throw a change when the catcher was calling for a fastball? I've had that experience when throwing a change when the catcher called for a heater, but never otherwise.

I don't really pay attention to what the catcher is calling for, so I'm not sure. I probably have, but I know it has also happened when he was calling for a change-up.

SFG MLB, thanks and I'll try that one when I get home. If it works or not, I'll report back.

[pkzild]

some pitches are just harder to gesture and release. Like knuckle curve, I can do the gesture fine and when the target shrinks just before releasing, for some reason it doesnt register the release fast enough, and ends up being a meatball a lot

but i practiced like crazy with pitching tutorial and you get better at it eventually

Can't say that I've had the same issue with changeups though. I've been getting those perfect. It's not really a hard pitch to throw.

[gambler1180]

this happends to me all the time

[dougyfreshmd]

pkzild, thats totally insulting. I'm not a moron. I can do the gesture fine for change-ups. Please don't type a response as if I'm handicapped or something, and unable to do a gesture for a pitch that "not really hard to throw."

I F-ing know it's not hard to throw. I'm doing the gesture fine. How many times do I need to say this? EVEN THE GAME REGISTERS MY GESTURES AS ACCURATE FOR A CHANGE-UP, BUT LABELSTHE PITCH A FASTBALL, AND GIVING MY GESTURE A 9. I'm not surprised my gesture rating is a 9 for a fastball, SEEING AS HOW I WAS DOING THE CHANGE-UP GESTURE. God almighty. I posted this here CAUSE IT SEEMS THERES A BUG.

I am not physically handicapped, I have tried three controllers now, I can throw every other pitch fine, and SFG MLB, slowing it down does not help. It just has me throw a meatball now, instead of a crappy fastball.

I am now forced to learn the "precision" pitching controls. This sucks.

[SFG MLB]

pkzild, thats totally insulting. I'm not a moron. I can do the gesture fine for change-ups. Please don't type a response as if I'm handicapped or something, and unable to do a gesture for a pitch that "not really hard to throw."

I F-ing know it's not hard to throw. I'm doing the gesture fine. How many times do I need to say this? EVEN THE GAME REGISTERS MY GESTURES AS ACCURATE FOR A CHANGE-UP, BUT LABELSTHE PITCH A FASTBALL, AND GIVING MY GESTURE A 9. I'm not surprised my gesture rating is a 9 for a fastball, SEEING AS HOW I WAS DOING THE CHANGE-UP GESTURE. God almighty. I posted this here CAUSE IT SEEMS THERES A BUG.

I am not physically handicapped, I have tried three controllers now, I can throw every other pitch fine, and SFG MLB, slowing it down does not help. It just has me throw a meatball now, instead of a crappy fastball.

I am now forced to learn the "precision" pitching controls. This sucks.
It has been by far the hardest pitch for me to leaner and after 100 games I'm finally getiing it right most the time now.

[lawman9485]

I'll try to explain this as best as i can. I haven't seen this bug creep up on this boards yet but i'll give it a try. I'll use the fastball as the example but this really goes for any pitch so it cant be my controller OK... I'm playing a franchise as the Phillies and every so often the pitching mechanic will allow me to start the first motion (1). But when I press forward on the controller for the second motion the power keeps going all the way out to maximum. So the power meter does not stop when I start the second motion. I then have to way for the meter to go back into the green which is now obviously smaller since the power is maxed out and then release. The pitching diagram will then show only the final part of the motion. In the case of the fastball the top half. Changeup the bottom half and so on. This bug will happen in just about every game and will happen to some batters and not to others. So this sometimes makes every different at bat when i'm pitching an adventure


i posted that in the "this is a bug and needs to be fixed thread". there is definitely something to this because the gesture diagram will register half of the diagram on my game as well

[Kev13Dd]

This happened to me a bunch one game. I wasn't happy

Then I looked and realized the pitcher I was using didn't have a changeup

I was happy the game wasn't being retarded, but ****ed I was an idiot. Rather surprising that the exact opposite move of a fastball registers as one though, while slight changes on other pitches can cause meatballs. Meh

K

[GeorgeCostanza]

This happened to me a bunch one game. I wasn't happy

Then I looked and realized the pitcher I was using didn't have a changeup

I was happy the game wasn't being retarded, but ****ed I was an idiot. Rather surprising that the exact opposite move of a fastball registers as one though, while slight changes on other pitches can cause meatballs. Meh

K

yea this happened to me once when i had a circle-change, thinking it was a regular change-up
i did the gesture for the regular change and it registered as a fastball
the circle and the regular are completely diff

[GhostRider]

The change and one of the different types of fastballs give me fits, but I haven't played much yet as I am waiting for the patch...Sick of the logging in and out.

[crashbowman]

I have this happen with certain pitchers almost all the time. It is only on pitchers who throw a straight change as opposed to a circle change. For instance Josh Beckett throws a circle change and I never have the problem, Curt Shilling throws a straight change and I don't seem to have the problem, but John Lester also throws a straight change and from what it seems to be every time it registers as a fastball. This is definately a bug and anyone who is saying it is not obviously has not experienced it and they should be very thankful for that.

[Crispy]

The OP here is totally right. This has nothing to do with user error and is definitley a glitch in the game. Happens to me all the time. I've actually gotten my gesture and timing perfect (for a change-up), had the game register a fastball, and then have the nerve to show me the CHANGE-UP gesture after the pitch !

Sidebar: What is the real point of this section ? Are any of these issues going to be resolved, or are we just here to acknowledge that things are broken and commiserate with each other ?

Thanks !

[Colts32]

Hey I didn't read through the whole post but the only way I can get changeups, cutters, and 2-seamers is by letting go of the stick for but a split second before doing the second motion, thus letting the stick go to the middle. For some pitchers you have to do this quicker than others but it works the best or all I get is fastballs when throwing changeups. Hope it helps and if someone already posted this sorry.
I almost think this is how it was designed, if you look at the photo it sort of looks like the stick is left in the middle before a changeup is thrown, sort of makes sense as well since a changeup is supposed to be so slow.

[buckydmb]

yeah i don't get it. If you look at all the other threads in this forum, tons of people are having problems with the pitching. Whether it's this, second motions never registering, or pitching out of the stretch. We all know how to pitch, but something is going wrong with the game itself, and everyone who's game works thinks it' suppose to be that way.

[Acid_Haze]

I have your answer my friends!

I had this same issuse and it was ****ing me off until I learned you must come back down slower to get the Change-UP!

You can push up fast but while coming back down on the stick you must come back slower as it throwS softer and I was coming back down as if a fastball and that what I would get.

2nd issue I found was throwing it correct but out of the zone and this was do to not coming back down in a straight line making it go for a ball.

Change-Ups was the hardest for me more so then Zito's and Burrentt's Curveballs!

This is correct. I actually had no problem throwing the change up when I first got the game, but after I got better at doing the gestures (and doing them faster) I started having the changeup/fastball problem. To avoid this, just do the second gesture in your pitching motion slower, and release it gently. This seems to be what's causing it, since if you do the motion fast it results in a fastball.

For while I stopped throwing the changeup completely because of this glitch, when it had started out as my #1 strikeout pitch!

[JohnyMaddensen]

Have you tried pitching tutorial?You need to go there and don't come out till its corrected.i have no problems with changeups.

[Spyre1]

rarely happens to me

[strasburghokie]

It happens to me too, but only a couple times a game. It seems to do it if I dont hit the green circle when I release the right stick, dont know if its just coincidence or not.

[suckerpuncher]

For me the changeup is one of the easiest pitches to throw for me. It almost always ends up right there where it supposed to and the rating is between 85-99. The TCP slider is set to 75-80.

The only thing I have problems with are curveballs especially on lefties. But that probably due to some degree of immobility in my right hand/thumb. ;)

[eVizions]

I had this problem for the longest time, where at least half of my changeups were recorded as fastballs and rated at about 17. It was seriously ****ing me off and I stopped throwing them for awhile. I then read some suggestions on this thread and started slowing down my motion for the changeup and I haven't thrown one since. Seriously, if you're having this problem, just slow down how fast you do the motion. It worked like a charm for me.

[Jospiv]

I've had this problem forever, and it seriously messes up my games.

Does pitching slower really work? I'll try that, cause Ido the correct motion, the after pitch thingy shows I did the correct motion, but it's recorded as a fastball and I get a very low rating.

[sarsippius]

I have the same problems, at times. its really frustrating. I'll throw a change outside and it ends up being a fastball inside. I cant be sure on this but I really think it happens more often with certain pitchers. Does it do it to you with any pitcher you pitch with who has the changeup?

I think it might be that I 'snap' the stick down then realease, causing the stick to bounce back up slightly. Which would cause it to go up, down then back up slightly, which then would be a fastball. I've never thrown a chaneup when I go for a fastball, so its either a bug or im doing something slightly wrong.

I prefer the precision pitching controls anyway, but I like to play online so I've had to learn total control for online.

[eVizions]

I guess it's really one of those things that either happens to you or it doesn't. If it doesn't, you have no idea how frustrating it really is. I know a lot of people are trying to be helpful and your efforts are appreciated, but like someone else posted - I'm not an idiot and it's happening to enough people that it's obviously a in-game problem, not that I'm accidentally pushing the stick in the wrong direction every single time or that I'm trying to throw a pitch that my pitcher doesn't have.

Jospiv, to answer your question: yes, throwing the changeup slower 100% worked for me. I hope it works for you, too. All I did was slow down the motions and now I throw the changeup beautifully. It's actually a really nice tweak that makes sense - to throw a changeup, the motion should be slower. I just wish the manual or in-game tutorial would have told us that (this is assuming, however, that this was done on purpose).

[Blue58]

When the game first came out, I REALLY liked the total control pitching mechanism. But it works too inconsistently, ESPECIALLY for those who play online where a slight hiccup of lag causes an instant meatball. I haven't touched this game in over a week because online just frustrates me too much because of the lag, and now with GTA 4 out, I don't know if Ill ever have MLB 2k8 in my 360 again. Im sure I will a few months down the road if the online is fixed, but if it isn't, this may be the wost game purchase Ive ever made.

[derekjeter76]

the only time I had my change-up be recognized as a 17 rated fastball was with J.J. Putz. And thats because he doesn't throw a change up....... He is the only person I ever had a 17 rated fastball be thrown.

Are you guys sure the guy your pitching with can throw a change up?

[Drizzle]

I had this problem in the demo for a while, but I discovered it was my mistake for one of two reasons: 1) as said above, the pitcher doesn't throw a change-up 2) the pitcher throws a CIRCLE CHANGE that requires a different gesture (a la Beckett). Seriously, I've thrown a meatball right over the plate after doing the changeup gesture perfectly, but I have always found that one of the two above things had happened. I'm not saying this isn't a glitch, but you should rule these out before saying it.

[eVizions]

I had this problem in the demo for a while, but I discovered it was my mistake for one of two reasons: 1) as said above, the pitcher doesn't throw a change-up 2) the pitcher throws a CIRCLE CHANGE that requires a different gesture (a la Beckett). Seriously, I've thrown a meatball right over the plate after doing the changeup gesture perfectly, but I have always found that one of the two above things had happened. I'm not saying this isn't a glitch, but you should rule these out before saying it.

I think it's been established that the people having this problem have figured out that 1) the pitcher they are using DOES throw a change-up, and 2) it is a change-up, not a circle change. I think the problem is that some people do the pitching motion faster than others. If you do all of your motions slow, then you obviously won't have a problem with this. If you do the motions fast, like I do/did, then you might have some problems. I still throw most of my pitches using a faster motion, but I slowed down my change-up and it seems to have worked.

[brandon_dallas]

Well, I had heard before that some people were having a problem throwing the changeup, but this was before my brother bought the game, so I just assumed they were doing something wrong. But once my brother bought this game not too long ago and I tried it, I wasn't able to throw a changeup either. And no, it has nothing to do with my motions; I can throw every pitch pretty consistently with a 'gesture' over 90, yet everytime I attempt a changeup, it reads it as a fastball instead. When going to the pitching tutorial it still reads a changeup as a fastball, even when the timing on the pitch appears to be almost perfect. In the end, I think it has to be a bug of some sort. I've read many topics about this problem for a while, not just on these forums, but other sports-gaming forums as well. And if so many people are having problems throwing the pitch, and pretty much only this pitch, and considering that in reality it is one of the easier pitches to throw in the game, I can't see it being anything other than a bug.

[eVizions]

I'm not sure if it was intentional or a bug, but if it was intentional, some help either in the manual or the pitching tutorial would have been appreciated. Have you tried slowing your motion?