Catchers' Breakpoint

[Roscosuper]

When using "breakpoint" pitching and "catcher suggestions", do you align the cursor with the catchers glove for breaking balls? For example, if the catcher sets up low and inside, with his glove in the lower inside square, does he want me to get the ball to break at that point out of the zone or does he want me to get the ball to that location?

The reason I'm asking is because, some of the catcher suggestions make sense and some really don't.

[baandje]

Breakpoint = line the ball up with the break, not where it ends up.

[Roscosuper]

Breakpoint = line the ball up with the break, not where it ends up.


Baandje, I am forbidding you from answering any of my posts. You are wasting my time. It doesn't seem you read anything through. I know what "breakpoint" is. I want to know, when the catcher is calling the game, does he want my pitches to break AT his glove or INTO his glove? What does the catcher want me to do? Where does he want the pitch exactly?

[baandje]

When using "breakpoint" pitching and "catcher suggestions", do you align the cursor with the catchers glove for breaking balls?
What's to understand/not understand? No, do not align with the glove when using breakpoint. If you don't like the location, shake it off.

[baandje]

Baandje, I am forbidding you from answering any of my posts.
How do you do that exactly? I gave you the answer, twice. I now forbid you from reading those answers.

[baandje]

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[Mater]

You want the ball to end up in the glove not starting at the glove.

[Roscosuper]

You want the ball to end up in the glove not starting at the glove.

What makes you sure of that? Not that I"m disagreeing with you, but a lot of the time on 0-2 counts, my catcher will set is glove low in the strike zone and ask for a curve ball. If I break it at the glove it usually drops out of the zone. Which makes sense because on 0-2 you going to try and get the batter to chase, right? Let me also say this: in real life if you want to throw a curve ball in the dirt, you don't aim for the dirt, correct? You most likely aim somewhere higher, no? The reason I'm asking is because, if I break the ball at the glove, I get more pitches that make sense. Do you know what I mean?

[belljr]

What makes you sure of that? Not that I"m disagreeing with you, but a lot of the time on 0-2 counts, my catcher will set is glove low in the strike zone and ask for a curve ball. If I break it at the glove it usually drops out of the zone. Which makes sense because on 0-2 you going to try and get the batter to chase, right? Let me also say this: in real life if you want to throw a curve ball in the dirt, you don't aim for the dirt, correct? You most likely aim somewhere higher, no? The reason I'm asking is because, if I break the ball at the glove, I get more pitches that make sense. Do you know what I mean?

because if you don't hit the glove where he sets up your attribute drops, if you do hit the glove your attributes increase

[baandje]

What makes you sure of that? Not that I"m disagreeing with you, but a lot of the time on 0-2 counts, my catcher will set is glove low in the strike zone and ask for a curve ball. If I break it at the glove it usually drops out of the zone. Which makes sense because on 0-2 you going to try and get the batter to chase, right? Let me also say this: in real life if you want to throw a curve ball in the dirt, you don't aim for the dirt, correct? You most likely aim somewhere higher, no? The reason I'm asking is because, if I break the ball at the glove, I get more pitches that make sense. Do you know what I mean?
I drew you a diagram and everything. Not rocket science. And don't throw the pitch if if makes no sense to you.

[Roscosuper]

I drew you a diagram and everything. Not rocket science. And don't throw the pitch if if makes no sense to you.

Your first answer told me what break point was. I wanted to know what people thought of the catchers suggestion logic, does it make sense to break it at the glove or into the glove? On an 0-2 count, does it make sense to throw a curvball in the zone? It makes more sense to throw it at the zone and have it break down and out. Yes/no? Though my catcher in the game sets up low in the zone and asks for breaking balls on 0-2. And if you ask me, it makes sense to have them break out of the zone?

And another thing, don't be pulling "tough guy over the internet" stuff with me. You want to have a face to face, then you can say whatever you want however you want to, but then you answer for it. Having read through some of the posts on these boards, it seems you annoy the crap out of a lot of people because you don't understand what they are talking about. Now, if you're mentally handicapped, and there's a problem I don't know about, OK, you can behave like you are doing. But if you're rushing through things because you're eating your Hot Pockets, telling your mom to shut up, looking for free boobies, fiddling with yourself, and on your cell phone catching up on all the hot topics from lunch period, all at once, then you need to make some cutbacks and stay away from me.

Or maybe, I don't know, you're putting on you make-up or somthing

[Roscosuper]

because if you don't hit the glove where he sets up your attribute drops, if you do hit the glove your attributes increase

I see. Now that is a good answer and can thus substantiate a claim for pitching to the glove.

[Mater]

What makes you sure of that? Not that I"m disagreeing with you, but a lot of the time on 0-2 counts, my catcher will set is glove low in the strike zone and ask for a curve ball. If I break it at the glove it usually drops out of the zone. Which makes sense because on 0-2 you going to try and get the batter to chase, right? Let me also say this: in real life if you want to throw a curve ball in the dirt, you don't aim for the dirt, correct? You most likely aim somewhere higher, no? The reason I'm asking is because, if I break the ball at the glove, I get more pitches that make sense. Do you know what I mean?

I follow you completely, but he is right with the attribute. That's why I think you try to hit the glove and not start it at the glove. I do remember however in last year's game, that the ball has to pass through the highlighted zone, not necessarilly land there, so you could be right. Guess it's matter of opinion.

[Roscosuper]

I follow you completely, but he is right with the attribute. That's why I think you try to hit the glove and not start it at the glove. I do remember however in last year's game, that the ball has to pass through the highlighted zone, not necessarilly land there, so you could be right. Guess it's matter of opinion.

To tell you what? I'm not sure anymore. I've been experimenting doing it both ways and I haven't lost any points as long as I have good gesture.The thing is, when I pitch to have it break away from the glove, I usually have a 60 to 65 percent strike ratio, which is around the norm for MLB. My games have been around the average, so I don't know.

[belljr]

To tell you what? I'm not sure anymore. I've been experimenting doing it both ways and I haven't lost any points as long as I have good gesture.The thing is, when I pitch to have it break away from the glove, I usually have a 60 to 65 percent strike ratio, which is around the norm for MLB. My games have been around the average, so I don't know.

to make it easy. If the payoff is low just throw fastballs high - you'll see your numbers changing red

[Mater]

I tried a breaking ball today, started it at the glove and broke it out of the zone, good gesture and all and my curveball went to red. If you strike the guy the out that's all that matters in my book.

[Roscosuper]

to make it easy. If the payoff is low just throw fastballs high - you'll see your numbers changing red


Well definately with a fastball because it's not going to break. I'm playing on Allstar, actually custom allstar, maybe if you guys are playing on legend, there is a tougher set of standards.
Keep in mind, I'm not here to bust chops, I just want to get peoples opinions. I've had success with both approaches and been beat with both approaches, so I'm starting to think it doesn't matter, that the game is scripted anyway????

[Gantua]

Well definately with a fastball because it's not going to break. I'm playing on Allstar, actually custom allstar, maybe if you guys are playing on legend, there is a tougher set of standards.
Keep in mind, I'm not here to bust chops, I just want to get peoples opinions. I've had success with both approaches and been beat with both approaches, so I'm starting to think it doesn't matter, that the game is scripted anyway????


BINGO!

Yes, I've been thinking for some time that the games are scripted maybe not exhibition but franchise it sure feels like they are.

[xappie]

BINGO!

Yes, I've been thinking for some time that the games are scripted maybe not exhibition but franchise it sure feels like they are.

Scripted? In what way? You mean that the game outcomes are predetermined?

On topic though, I always pitch to land the ball in the glove, not to break the ball from the glove position.
Works for me.

[jdeszcz]

I guess through all of my years playing and watching baseball it's been known (at least to me) that the glove is the target, thus that's where you would want the ball to land. Now in the real game you aren't going to necessarily have your catcher put the target in the dirt or all of the way out of the zone, but they'll call the actual location in addition to the pitch they are calling for. For instance many times you'll see a catcher not only call for a pitch with his fingers, but also location by tapping his thighs or a part of his torso (shoulders, mid-section, etc.)...different teams have different "lingo". So at the end of it all I guess the way I understand it the logic is that the glove has always been the target, thus it would be the same in 2K8.

I think from the video game standpoint there's only so much they are going to program, but if you want the target to be out of the zone just call for a different location (position cursor and tap 'A' - on 360 controller).

[VandyFan77]

Also something to consider is that the camera is not exactly "dead on". The catchers glove may show in the strike zone on screen, but may actually out. The catcher suggestions are not always the best and you can change the location of the Payoff Pitch by moving the cursor and pressing A. Hope this helps.