Glen Johnson was ROBED.....

[shadio3]

im sooooo SICK of this BS in BOXING.......................

edit:
i cant wait to play this game & knock that pu$%^y DAWSON out....i saw this comin a way back with his weak chin when he fought Tomasz Adamek (adamek should have won that fight as wel).


shadio: true boxing fan

[Mr.Pacman]

was that supposed to be bad

[FighterforJC]

I thought you were talking about Glen Johnson's attire as he walked into the ring. hehehe.

[Mr.Pacman]

Help a noob out people. Anyways did anyone notice the possible gameplay in their. After the training the ams are fighting and it is shown at a corner angle, a body shot is thrown and then a jab to knock him down. That could have easily been gameplay without displaying the hud.

[shadio3]

YEssssssssssssssssss, im happy again. CINTRON gets KOed again & again & again...lol...i knew it would play out the same way.........

who in the hell does kermit think he is keeping his head up like that. EMANUAL what the hell are u teaching these cats now days....his training has been offf lately.


"viva mexico"

shadio: true fan

[totalownership]

Glen Johnson was ROBED.....
Seriously!?!? Did he or his wife get hurt? That's messed up. Did it happen in the locker room or outside? Because I know it DEFINITELY didn't happen in the ring.

[kbdynasty]

that johnson fight was close

margarito knocked cintron out

i said in a earlier post margarito has cintron style down

now im looking 4 an upset on cotto

VIVA MEXICO!!!!!!!!!

[tmana]

I thought the Johnson and Dawson could of went either way, but Glen landed more affective shots. Poor Kermit, lol if he would have held his head up and tried to box Margarito he could have done something. That whole holding your head down and trying to complain about shots to the back of the head won't win you a fight.

[King-Of-Kings]

whoever started this thread doesnt know boxing and just follows what his heart feels and gets too happy hearing the crowd.

To all rookies or to the peeps that think they know much boxing need to either be in boxing or know WHAT A SCORING POINT is.....

IF u hit on the arms, or just because your the aggressor doesnt mean u are winning the rounds. You gotta land crisp solid punches to the body and not the arms to score...u got to land flush to the face and not the gloves to score points...

Dawson landed the cleaner shots and won this fight .

Mute your sound and carefully watch each round before u pass judgement.

[SHOWTIME 976]

Gota agree with you King.. I always watch re watch the fight the next morning with no sound... Its crazy how different you can judge a fight, I think it was close. Johnson showed so much heart, but Dawson did win the fight. I think it was closer then what the judges had it at. But Dawson won the fight... Big props to The Road Warrior though, he should have cut off the ring, banged his body more, he could have taken him.

[wasp]

glen has been robbed many times, but still they cannot keep him down. this man will remain a constant threat to anyone at light heavy. why isnt roy calling him out? dosent he want revenge? the ansewer to that my friends is simple, he dont want any part of the road warrior. glen is what a true warrior ia all about. no flash but always a dangerous threat. chad dawson was spared a loss. i think he wont give glen a rematch. wheres roy? hey roy?

[King-Of-Kings]

Gota agree with you King.. I always watch re watch the fight the next morning with no sound... Its crazy how different you can judge a fight, I think it was close. Johnson showed so much heart, but Dawson did win the fight. I think it was closer then what the judges had it at. But Dawson won the fight... Big props to The Road Warrior though, he should have cut off the ring, banged his body more, he could have taken him.

Ya same here showtime, i had it dawson winning by 2 rounds but i feel he did win the fight but it was very close.. Ya the road warrior at 39 shows tremendous heart and the way he was talking after the fight, man i felt very bad for him.

It was dawsons first test and i think he passed but not with a high score.

[Ghetto Phenom]

I agree. I had Dawson winning 7-5 (rounds). It's just that usually when Johnson son his rounds, they were more spectacular, meaning he had Dawson hurt or backing up all round. But people forget that each round is scored seperately. If Johnson had actually dropped Dawson when he was hurt, it might've been a different outcome.

I wouldn't have been mad at a draw or a Johnson 7-5 victory. It was a pretty close fight.

[shadio3]

lol........lisen, i watched the fight knowing what i what was gonna see comin from DAWSOn. DAWSON hasent been the same fighter since the Adamek fight. He takes to many FLUSH SHOTS to the head (side of the head, temple) which in the long run is gonna render him a SHOT fighter. If you watch the fight carefully last night you would see that it was JOHNSON landing the CLEANER SHOTS. NOT only was johnson landing the HARDER shots, he was landing the more accurate JAB as well. Dawson wasent even good when he was being trained by mayweather sr. DAWSON HAS NO inside game (short shots), he just sucksssss...He only has ONE game plan, oh make that two game plans, which is to run around the ring the whole night.....

DAWSON switched back & forth with his guard all night because he knew that he was dealin with somethin totally out of his league (confussed). He was almost KOed TWICE during the fight. Johnson CLIPPED dawson's jaw all night long (chin checked). HIS punches that you people called scoring never HIT JOHNSON (what the hell are you people lookin at). Not only did AMERICA see what happened, i saw what happened. I saw it from Rd 1 that dawson would get beat up tonight.........ALL DAWSON has is youth and hes a good athlete. When dawson fights TARVER it's a DONE DEAL............RESPECT to glen johnson.


shadio: true boxing fan

[Charlie Murphy]

Shadio, I totally agree man, I thought Johnson just seemed to walk through everything Dawson threw at him, and a lot of Dawsons shot were blocked and parried by Johnson, he hurt Dawson and caught him with a ton of huge shots, he definitely won.

[FighterforJC]

Too bad Tarver won. I hate to have to listen to his big mouth again. Guy reminds me of Larry Holmes always whining.

[larksanders]

Sorry, it was a close fight but Dawson did win the fight. I had it 115-113. Johnson built some nice momentum in the third round and 4th rd. Then Dawson got on his toes and outboxed him until the 10th rd. Then you can make a case that Johnson won the rest of the fight. That's 5 rds out of 12. Like I said 115-113. Seriously go back and watch the fight again.

Also, you cannot hate on Dawson. He took on the toughest SOB in the division and despite being rocked a couple of times, I thought he handled himself well. People use the terminology "shot fighter" way too much. A shot fighter is someone who has no legs. Dawson had his test and he passed it with a C. Not bad at all, but not great.

Yea Tarver won, but he looked like ***.

[warp]

Johnson won this fight 116-112 on my card, but I have to rewatch it again.

Johnson took rounds 2,3,6,8, 9,10,11,12 on my card. Rounds 6 and 8 were close so at worst that was a draw.


It's a shame Johnson didn't get the decision.

[larksanders]

What?!?!? Johnson won rds 8 and 9 but not 4? Dude, seriously go back and watch the fight again. I watched it again this morning and I still came up with the same outcome. 115-113 Dawson.

I am all about the best man winning, and Johnson has gotten robbed many times before. But I'm sorry, this is not that case. It's like the first fight with Tarver, he LOST that fight and they gave it to him. Dawson, beat Johnson last night.

[warp]

I might have made some mistakes, I was recalling from last night what I scored. Yeah, he definietly won round 4 and I think I scored round 2 for Dawson insted.

I just remember having it 116-112 for Johnson. 116-112 for Dawson is a disgrace though. I would have been happy with a draw.

[shadio3]

wow, check out what my fav boxer had to say about this ROBBERY........boxing is screwed up bad & that's why the UFC is killin.

boxingtalk.com
"BERNARD HOPKINS: GLEN JOHNSON WON THAT FIGHT
By G. Leon

Moments ago light heavyweight king Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins informed Boxingtalk.com that he believes Glen Johnson was the victim of a bad decision on Showtime Championship Boxing last night. "The worst it could have been, and I mean the worst it could have been for Johnson was a draw," stated Hopkins. Full interview to follow tomorrow morning."


nuff said....

shadio: true boxing fan

[larksanders]

So what? That doesn't mean sh*t. Benard also said that De La Hoya beat Felix Sturm. C'mon now! Like I said, go watch the fight again with your score card. When you finish scoring the fight you will either have Dawson ahead by one or two or maybe a draw. But it was no robbery at all.

[shadio3]

^^hey i recorded that fight & i watched it more than enough times. You people are getting mixed up with the sounds of the punches landing from dawson. Dawson punches land hard, but was not connecting. WHen you watch the fight again, watch one man at a time (study your homework). Watch johnson the whole fight & then watch dawson.....

Hell i even saw winky write & vernon forrest in the crowd laughing at how BAD dawson was getting beat up (dont be surprised if one of them call out dawson)...glen won that fight easy with real COUNTER PUNCHES & vet INSIDE FIGHTING and spacing.

TARVER
"Chad Dawson isn't the same person he was yesterday, he's a WOUNDED DUCK and he could be next."


shadio: true fan

[King-Of-Kings]

tarver is a clown . He wanted no piece of dawson and now since hes a wounded duck COULD BE NEXT>? lool ...who else is there?

Dawson will school tarvers overated ***

Oh hey shadio u think DLH BEAT STURM like bernard hopkins said so ? lol what a joke

[larksanders]

Shadio,

"study my homework". You're not the only boxing fanatic here man. I see your quotes about being a true fan and blah blah, I respect that. But also have respect for someone else who study's the game as well.

I really don't see how you can call Dawson a clown. This man is 25 yrs old and took on the toughest SOB in the division and had a pretty good showing. Remember when he took on Adamek (sp?), people didn't give him a chance, but he outclassed him (despite getting knocked down). When he took on Harding, Harding was coming off some good wins and was looking to re-establish himself in the division (remember this was a guy who whooped Tarver one time and was whooping him again until he got over confident). Anyway, he beat Harding, yes he got dropped, but he still won (and did it well). There are some things that he needs to work on sure (like keeping that chin tucked and left hand up), but you CANNOT say you are a true boxing fan and call him a clown. Especially what he has done so far. He took on Johnson when everyone was avoiding him. He needed this gut check, give the man some credit.

Oh yea, to quote your boy Benard Hopkins, he said that he believed Dawson is the future of the light heavweight division....

[shadio3]

^^i have no beef with your opinions. We as boxing fans have some of the most heated debates and we have to respect each other's opinions (me & my uncle bet alll day). I just feel DAWSON should have lost last night & then try and win a rematch. Glen earned that win last night (hes has a family to support) & it was just sad to see something like that happen. Right now it seems that glen will protest the fight and i hope he wins........................just like when taylor beat hopkins, they gave the fight to taylor because they thought of him as freash new talented meat (turned out hes a bum). i see the same in dawson (textbook fighters).....he's 25 years old, but with the amount of hits he has taken so far id say he's already 35 in boxing years (takes to many hit's to the brain)........

we will see how it all plays out when he fights TARVER.....

Oh, there was no reason for hopkins comin to the defence of johnson. He just felt it was WRONG just like many others did.

Boxingtalk Publisher G. Leon scored the bout 115-113 for Johnson.


shadio: true fan

[larksanders]

Man, G. Leon is the biggest joke. He is a Mayweather nut rider, and his picks are so off. Sometimes I wonder what fights he watches. I remember after Jones vs Tarver 1 he was saying how he felt Jones won. Then when Tarver KO'd Jones and blew up he changed his pick because Tarver started giving him exclusives. Boxingtalk is such a joke, I prefer Maxboxing where I can read great articles (not just boxers ranting and talking trash), and also watch the next round each week (I still jump when Steve Kim shouts "next on the next round').

ANyway, you're right about boxing fans disagreeing. You don't know how many arguements I have gotten into with Mayweather fans. I automatically have respect for you because you consider yourself to be a fan of my favorite sport (mad respect).

I know Johnson has a family and he has been on the wrong side of some bad decisions (he has beaten Woods 3 times). Last night was not one of those nights. Everyone in press row scored the fight for Dawson. I will admit 116-112 is not right.

Now all of a sudden Tarver wants Dawson. That guy is the biggest douche bag. He DID NOT look good last night. Clinton Woods was flat and Tarver just looked sloppy. You talk about shot fighters, Tarvers legs are almost gone.

[BANKY]

Man, G. Leon is the biggest joke. He is a Mayweather nut rider, and his picks are so off. Sometimes I wonder what fights he watches. I remember after Jones vs Tarver 1 he was saying how he felt Jones won. Then when Tarver KO'd Jones and blew up he changed his pick because Tarver started giving him exclusives. Boxingtalk is such a joke, I prefer Maxboxing where I can read great articles (not just boxers ranting and talking trash), and also watch the next round each week (I still jump when Steve Kim shouts "next on the next round').

ANyway, you're right about boxing fans disagreeing. You don't know how many arguements I have gotten into with Mayweather fans. I automatically have respect for you because you consider yourself to be a fan of my favorite sport (mad respect).

I know Johnson has a family and he has been on the wrong side of some bad decisions (he has beaten Woods 3 times). Last night was not one of those nights. Everyone in press row scored the fight for Dawson. I will admit 116-112 is not right.

Now all of a sudden Tarver wants Dawson. That guy is the biggest douche bag. He DID NOT look good last night. Clinton Woods was flat and Tarver just looked sloppy. You talk about shot fighters, Tarvers legs are almost gone.
Everyone in press row did NOT have it for Dawson.
I had it 116-111, with a 10-8 round in the either the third or fourth, when he had him out on his feet. This was a robbery in the vein of santa cruz-casamayor. If people pick Chad Dawson, then you liked "volume" punching, defense(ala pbf-turn my back and duck so low you have nowhere to hit but the back of my head) and pitter pat punching. If people pick Glen, they liked effective aggression(made his punches count more), ring generalship(practically chased Dawson around the ring all night and imposed his will WAY more), and landed more harder shots and did the most damage(clean, effective punching).

So, boxing is to be scored under these criteria(as so kindly outlined by the Association of Boxing Commissions (http://www.abcboxing.com/):
The scoring shall be done on a TEN POINT must system. Judges are to score each round using the following scoring criteria:
1. Clean punching (power versus quantity).------some people would say, Dawson won this category. Nope. Pay special attention to the power versus quantity, side-note. Johnson clearly won this category in 9 or 10 of the rounds, at least.

2. Effective aggressiveness.--When Johnson threw, he landed bombs. When Dawson landed, they were pitty pats, usually, cause he did land a couple good shots, but nothing to ever seriously hurt Johnson. another thing, since Johnson was the aggressor for the whole fight, its easy to give him this category in 11 rounds of 12, with round 1 being the exception.

3. Ring generalship.--Once again, johnson, chased him around the ring. Johnson was the general in their, he initiated the exchanges and he imposed his will. Easy, 9 rounds to johnson in this category.

4. Defense.----Every round was won by Dawson in this category, even the rounds were Johnson had him hurt. For it was Dawson's defense that carried the day for him.

If you don't use this criteria to score the fight, you did it wrong(not pointed at anyone, but moreso, everyone!).

I have it 116-111, Johnson. I cannot really respect a 116-112 card for Dawson, sorry.

[shadio3]

Glen johnson vs dawson aftermath comments..........


"Hopkins:
GL: Before we get into any questions about Joe Calzaghe, can you give us some thoughts on the Showtime light heavyweight double header?

"I thought Glen Johnson won. I thought he inflicted enough punishment to win. One or two of those rounds could have easily been 10-8 rounds. I liked Chad Dawson way before the Johnson fight as a future champion, but that fight last night it doesn't help Glen Johnson, but it hurts Chad Dawson. Did he learn? Does he understand the experience of being in there with a veteran? Yeah, but let me tell you something Greg, just like me with Jermain Taylor, a victory on paper is one thing, but a victory to go on and establish yourself as a great fighter, that has a major question mark on it now."



EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: GLEN JOHNSON
LINK:
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article15463.html


ROY JONES "I'll fight Dawson"
GL: Can you give us some thoughts on the Showtime light heavyweight double header?

"I really ain't seen it yet, so I've got to watch it. But from what I've been hearing Clinton Woods didn't come to perform and Glen Johnson had the best performance on the card. That was wonderful, I was hoping he'd get the title, but I guess Tarver is going to fight Dawson now, is that how this goes?"


BTW, hopkins confirms that the fight against JOE will be his LAST FIGHT. SO Get your tape recorders ready because this may be the last time you ever see a real champion in the ring...they dont come like hopkins no more....made me so much money & it's incredible to see this wizard in the ring....i hope demetrius can hold the torch....


shadio: true fan

[larksanders]

Man, Demetrius lost to Steve Forbes (now that was a robbery). He is good but if he goes up against Witter, which was supposed to happen, that will seriously set him back. No one likes to talk about Witter, but he is a bad man.

And for the guy who said Dawson/Johnson was just as much as a robbery of santa cruz-casamayor. Dude, what fight were you watching? Even if you felt that Johnson won you will have to say it was a close fight. santa cruz-casamayor was a shut out to me. Also if not all, it was most that scored the fight for Dawson. You said ring generalship, Johnson followed Dawson around the ring. He didn't cut it off like he should have (that's how Dawson got back into the fight after that 3rd round). The commentators even spoke about that. Also you scored some rd 10-8 rds? That's crazy! So if a fighter gets rocked but doesn't go down that should automatically be 10-8? If that's the case then outcomes for many other fights should be rescored.......

[Dirk504]

I think the judges could've scored it more closely, but Dawson did win the fight in my eyes. I don't think he was robbed at all.

[BANKY]

Man, Demetrius lost to Steve Forbes (now that was a robbery). He is good but if he goes up against Witter, which was supposed to happen, that will seriously set him back. No one likes to talk about Witter, but he is a bad man.

And for the guy who said Dawson/Johnson was just as much as a robbery of santa cruz-casamayor. Dude, what fight were you watching? Even if you felt that Johnson won you will have to say it was a close fight. santa cruz-casamayor was a shut out to me. Also if not all, it was most that scored the fight for Dawson. You said ring generalship, Johnson followed Dawson around the ring. He didn't cut it off like he should have (that's how Dawson got back into the fight after that 3rd round). The commentators even spoke about that. Also you scored some rd 10-8 rds? That's crazy! So if a fighter gets rocked but doesn't go down that should automatically be 10-8? If that's the case then outcomes for many other fights should be rescored.......
I said that this decision was a robbery in the "vein" of santa cruz-casamayor. I actually scored that fight 116-112 for Santa cruz(8-4). I watch fights with commentators off bro, i don't like being unduly influenced. And yes, i scored the third round( which was dominated by Glen Johnson) as a 10-8 round.

sorry bro, backpedaling and moving is not ring generalship.

Go to this website, get an understanding of the rules, as seen through the eyes of the Association of Boxing Commissions. They will help you more clearly define what you see in the ring.

www.abcboxing.com

[shadio3]

[QUOTE=larksanders]Man, Demetrius lost to Steve Forbes (now that was a robbery).

hey, i agree & thats why i say the sport of BOXING IS SCREWED up (ridiculas). These fighters train hard night & day to feed their families & try to make a better living for themselves. To have a match taken away from them in which they clearly won, it's terrible....D-hopkins has the tools to become a real threat. i SEE SOOO much of the hopkins stance (defence) & all around ring movement and good measurements on his punches just like bernard..his biggest issue is guess is his heart.......

also dont count stevie out in the oscar fight.......

UFC (mma) will break the sports of boxing if this BS keeps up in boxing.................


shadio: true fan

[larksanders]

Shadio,

I am giving Steve a GREAT shot at beating De La Hoya. He is a great spoiler, and a great fighter. I think I would actually be happy if won. Then I won't have to sit through Mayweather and De La Hoya 2 (or even hear about it).

Banky,

Thanks for the "advice" on how to score a fight. I actually box, so I'm pretty keen on the way fights are scored and what ring generalship is ( which Dawson showed by controlling the fight on the outside). I appreciate it though. Look we can argue all day about this, but this fight was in no way a robbery. I was impressed with both fighters. By the way, I have watched this fight many times over these past two days (with and without sound), and I will say the Showtime commentators did a great job of not being too biased on either fighter. Didn't Al Berstein have it 114-114?

[BANKY]

[QUOTE=larksanders]
UFC (mma) will break the sports of boxing if this BS keeps up in boxing.................


shadio: true fan
If only all the big promoters bought into this and came together. I like mma, i LOVE boxing. But, boxing will keep going by the wayside, as long as the corruption in the sport is clearly visible like this.


G. Fernandez from ringtalk said that the three judges who scored the fight should never ever be allowed to judge a fight ever again after all three having scorecards of 116-112 at the end of the fight.
Fernandez is a pretty respected boxing journalist. To have him say that means alot.

I've watched the fight three times now and i can give dawson a nother round or two, of the ones that were questionable. If i gave every questionable round that wasn't decisive and scored no 10-8 rounds, i would have had it 115-113 for dawson. 116-112 for dawson, thats just ridiculous.

Seriously, check out this site:
association of boxing commissions (http:/www.abcboxing.com)
go to the documents page and click on the abc regulatory guidelines. then scroll down to judging, for a look at the rules. We should all be familiar with these rules anyways.

[BANKY]

Shadio,

I am giving Steve a GREAT shot at beating De La Hoya. He is a great spoiler, and a great fighter. I think I would actually be happy if won. Then I won't have to sit through Mayweather and De La Hoya 2 (or even hear about it).

Banky,

Thanks for the "advice" on how to score a fight. I actually box, so I'm pretty keen on the way fights are scored and what ring generalship is ( which Dawson showed by controlling the fight on the outside). I appreciate it though. Look we can argue all day about this, but this fight was in no way a robbery. I was impressed with both fighters. By the way, I have watched this fight many times over these past two days (with and without sound), and I will say the Showtime commentators did a great job of not being too biased on either fighter. Didn't Al Berstein have it 114-114?
yes he did bro, and i totally could agree with that. even a 115-113 for dawson i could agree with, though i'll admit, its probably an extreme from my card. I tell you what, i'll post the official cards. Tell me what you think.
http://www.fightnews.com/dawson_johnson_scorecard.gif
does anyone believe that Dawson actually won the 4th round? something is off on these scorecards, guys. robbery, maybe not. collussion, i think so.

[larksanders]

Banky,

All of my earlier posts I said I scored the fight 115-113 for Dawson. I think 116-112 was crazy. My whole point was that this fight was not a robbery at all. It was just a close fight that true boxing fans like you and I will have something to talk about. It beats discussing why Mayweather won't fight the real fighters of his division :)

[BANKY]

Banky,

All of my earlier posts I said I scored the fight 115-113 for Dawson. I think 116-112 was crazy. My whole point was that this fight was not a robbery at all. It was just a close fight that true boxing fans like you and I will have something to talk about. It beats discussing why Mayweather won't fight the real fighters of his division :)
aint that the truth, lol.:lol:

And yet, you still have guys out their defending mayweather,,,,,,ugh, its laughable.

[shadio3]

ok, Glen will now protest this ROBBERY..thankgod. CANT belive what they did to this man..........sorry, i just cant sit on this. I watched this fight again & dawson was just OUTCLASSED.


LINK:
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article15467.html

shadio: true fan

[korey1980]

Glenn outworked Dawson and hurt the young champion. Glenn definitely won the decision. But of course they will give the decision to the younger fighter who will probably fight another decade, and not the fighter who is on their last legs. In the twilight of his career this was definitely not the way a boxer who has given his all in every fight hes been in should be treated. But its not like we couldnt see this coming. If Glenn were to win he would have to do so in ko fashion. Dawson is going to provide entertainment in the future though, I cant get enough of fighters that have to climb off of the mat in all their fights. His reign as champ will NOT last very long though as there were a few times in this fight alone where he was almost out on his feet? Cant wait to see him get starched by Tarver, or dare I say Jones. Jones is not what he once was, but how would Dawson deal with his counterpunching ability.