cadence is not cheap if done the right way

[JHova1982]

i been around since the release of the 2k8 and have been doing cadence since i arrived but i still have a over a 90 percent feedback with a green smiley face so obviously i must be doing it right.

The Right Way
only hitting the button one time. yes true that cadence is use to draw your opponents offsides, but for me by hitting it once ive only draw someone offsides a max of twice. thats 10 yards free to me and real football players,coaches,gameheads would not trip over that. if someone cant overcome 10 free yards to someone then u just have to stop playing football; Madden, 2k, Tecmo, Blitz, the new Backbreaker.

now if did see i was getting 20-30 yards of free yards, i wouldnt do at all but like i said with my method the most i got is 10 yards so with true gamers, there othing wrong with it.

The Wrong Way
the wrong way its plain and simple, if u walking up to line of scrimmage and press the cadence button until u see your opponent offsides, and yeah i agree with people on thats aspect. yeah now cadence turning cheap when u sitting at the line on scrimmage mashing on the b button untill your opponents draw offsides.

if u feel the right way is wrong, im sorry u just whining and need somethin to blame your loss on, if u lose. real coaches wouldnt trip, nfl players wouldnt trip, so why should U?

if u feel that the right way is wrong, please explain how with some legitimate answers with some thought put into it.

[ElGreazy78]

Yeah, that's one thing that bothers me. I don't use Cadence because I'm too busy making formation shifts and reads on the play but I have no problem with someone using it the "fair" way. I mean, it was added in the game and as an Ability for a reason.

[wolfman23]

I believe its wrong. One simple reason, you are getting something for nothing. You are profitting through no skill of your own, and there is no way to stop it.

If there was a counter to cadence that could be employed, then there would be an argument for cadence.

Everything else in this game, whether its what people call cheese or not, there is a counter.

I see no positive reason for employing a technique such as cadence in any sport.

I'm not whining, just my opinion, whilst I'll disagree with you I'll respect your point of view.

[Valdarez]

The fact is that cadence is too effective in this game. I personally never use it. It would be interesting to play a game, and test out your claim though.

10 free yards in an APF2K8 game consisting of 5 minute quarters is the equivalent of 30 free yards in a full 15 minute quarter game. What's the NFL average for off sides penalties? If you're consistently exceeding the NFL average with scrub QBs, then there's still a problem.

[nyknicks33]

The title of this thread is kind of like saying, "Smoking crack is harmless when done in moderation"

[JHova1982]

The fact is that cadence is too effective in this game. I personally never use it. It would be interesting to play a game, and test out your claim though.

10 free yards in an APF2K8 game consisting of 5 minute quarters is the equivalent of 30 free yards in a full 15 minute quarter game. What's the NFL average for off sides penalties? If you're consistently exceeding the NFL average with scrub QBs, then there's still a problem.

very legit answer. i like it but tho we are playing shorter quarter than the nfl, the penalty yards remains the same and well all know companies have to amped up football to make it fun but let me say this; does getting 0 free yards in a fooball game real too.? 0 yards in 2k8 is equivalent to 0 yards in NFL as far as line of scrimmage penalties

i would say the average offsides(neutral zone infraction) calls in real life is maybe 3-6 times a game. especially playing peyton u know that number gets jacked up. so i believe im well below those numbers.

if u want to play me, im down i know i play straight up and plus i dont press the button every down. i dont keep track but i know every down i dont hit the button, sometimes i use it to prepare myself on offense

[JHova1982]

The title of this thread is kind of like saying, "Smoking crack is harmless when done in moderation"

please come here with legit answers, leave your useless comments to yourself

[UnMaTcHeD]

Cadence, IMO, is cheap no matter which way you want to spin it. There is no offensive counter for it.

As I stated in a separate thead, I would be totally fine with it if the offense had a button to press in order to jump the snap and the use of cadense caused the person on offense to press that button early.

The way it is now, its just a cheap way to get five yards and/or a free play.

[StIlLpUsHiN']

The title of this thread is kind of like saying, "Smoking crack is harmless when done in moderation"


I like it....:D

[StIlLpUsHiN']

Ok I'll spin it this way you're opponent is on 5yd line :01 seconds left on the clock you here "HUT!!" you're defender jumps off sides you hit his back in the backfield or intercept his pass to win but wait, it get called back over something as cheap as cadence, he moves up to the goal line and punches it in to win the game....Can you honestly say you'd be ok with losing in that fashion. Cadence is cheap period, if you need 10 free yards a game you might wanna be the one to hit the practice facility.

[amid]

just keep givin' these guys negative feedback and eventually the only guys that will play them are other cadence users

los tramposos nunca prosperan

[JHova1982]

Ok I'll spin it this way you're opponent is on 5yd line :01 seconds left on the clock you here "HUT!!" you're defender jumps off sides you hit his back in the backfield or intercept his pass to win but wait, it get called back over something as cheap as cadence, he moves up to the goal line and punches it in to win the game....Can you honestly say you'd be ok with losing in that fashion. Cadence is cheap period, if you need 10 free yards a game you might wanna be the one to hit the practice facility.

well i would hate to lose like that, who wouldnt but i would never call that person cheap or dirty or give them a negative for doing cause i shouldnt have gotten in that situation in the first place and put my defenders in such hostile places.

but i can it spin it back with your situation. lets say doing your situation the score was tied 42 all and both of yall had almost 400 yards each in total offense. yall already went over the limit for average real nfl game so if u so passionate that u lost cause of a 5 yard penalty and call it cheap. well explain how your opponents got the other 395 yards?

people find stupid excuses to blame for there loss when u just need to look at how u play and u see why. i dont make excuses for myself, if i get beat fair then ill blame how i approach the game and give props to my opponents.

[madsqgrdn]

well i would hate to lose like that, who wouldnt but i would never call that person cheap or dirty or give them a negative for doing cause i shouldnt have gotten in that situation in the first place and put my defenders in such hostile places.

but i can it spin it back with your situation. lets say doing your situation the score was tied 42 all and both of yall had almost 400 yards each in total offense. yall already went over the limit for average real nfl game so if u so passionate that u lost cause of a 5 yard penalty and call it cheap. well explain how your opponents got the other 395 yards?

people find stupid excuses to blame for there loss when u just need to look at how u play and u see why. i dont make excuses for myself, if i get beat fair then ill blame how i approach the game and give props to my opponents.


theres no defense for it...its cheap...reconcile that whichever way you want.

[kcxiv]

Yeah, its cheap in this game and thats all there is to it. There is no, its not cheap when done right. The way it works doesnt allow it to be right. If i seen the Oline guys jump offlinewhen abusing it then i would agree, but that rarely happens. Its broken the way it is now.

[2KFootballGuy]

I think it would be fine if the offensive line reacted and had a false start even half as much as the defense jumped offsides.

It is just too one sided in the game.

I'd be willing to bet that in the NFL, offsides and false starts are pretty identical in the number of times called per game. Probably even more false starts than offsides called.

To be honest, if I were playing you and you did it 2-3 times, I probably could care less. I think it is kinda cheese, but unless it is really exploited it ain't a big deal.

[Gunther]

Ledership is the counter to cadence.
I almost never use cadence and here is why. Your O line is just as likely to jump and false start as the D line is to jump offside. Its not a sure thing like some people some to think it is.

It cracks me up how Dexter Manley jumps offside so much because he is so dumb in real life.


I'd be willing to bet that in the NFL, offsides and false starts are pretty identical in the number of times called per game. Probably even more false starts than offsides called.

100% agree...... I see way more false starts than I do D lineman offsides.

[kcxiv]

Your Oline rarely ever false starts. I have had 1 person gain about 6 offsides by me before. He got 0 false starts. Thats when i used to use Greg Lloyd so i had the leadership ability. There's just nothing you can do.

[sockcornnoodles]

This is a tough one. If some one use cadence the "right way" on me, I'm not going to care. But I'm not going to use cadence myself.

I guess the best argument for both sides of this, is the same play. For instance, let's say it's 4th & a long 1 on your opponents 40 yard line, too far for a FG or to go for it, but too short to punt. In the NFL, most coaches line up their offense with no intension to hike the ball, but rather, use cadence to get an off-sides penalty and the first down. However, in the game there is no way to tell your players to ignore the cadence like they do in the NFL.

So, I guess I'd say there is no fair way to do cadence in this game, because there is no way to have your players ignore it. But like I said, if it's done in moderation to me, I won't care.

[nflhitman]

If there is no counter to it than it is cheese. Can you press the " B " Button on defense to counter him using the " B " Button on offense?? There no counter and the worst game is when you have aguy hitting the Cadence button and then the signal stealer button over and over LOL. There is only one thing pretty much banned in my leagues and that is Cadence.

[Valdarez]

Here's the stats 2008 NFL season from: http://www.armchairanalysis.com/2008NFLGameSheetsGuide.pdf

I highlighted the OffSides (1.0 per game) and the False Starts (1.5 per game). As you can see the false starts were greater than the OffSides, and that's clearly not replicated in APF2K8 right now. In addition, if you are averaging 2 Offsides per game, then you are doubling the NFL average in a game that last 1/3rd the time, or getting 600% better results than what you see in the NFL.

http://www.2kfootballstrategy.com/shared/images/apf2k8/OffsidesFalseStarts.jpg

[nflhitman]

Good stuff except when you play in Seattle :) The 12th man there causes more False starts than any other stadium in the NFL. When you play me since I usually play in Seattle it would be realistic if you all had about 5-8 false starts a game ;)

[BofaDeezNutts]

The title of this thread is kind of like saying, "Smoking crack is harmless when done in moderation"


LMAO - this, I have to agree with.

[BofaDeezNutts]

JHOVA,
Cadence is cheap no matter how it is used. If game momentum didn't play such a huge factor in the outcome of this game, then what you are saying would make sense.

[Oldkingsman]

just keep givin' these guys negative feedback and eventually the only guys that will play them are other cadence users

los tramposos nunca prosperan

Thats the way i do it. Too damn cheap. If i have to earn every yard, you will too. If not,
NEGATIVE FEEDBACK! :thumbsdow

















ONLY FAIR.

[JHova1982]

Here's the stats 2008 NFL season from: http://www.armchairanalysis.com/2008NFLGameSheetsGuide.pdf

I highlighted the OffSides (1.0 per game) and the False Starts (1.5 per game). As you can see the false starts were greater than the OffSides, and that's clearly not replicated in APF2K8 right now. In addition, if you are averaging 2 Offsides per game, then you are doubling the NFL average in a game that last 1/3rd the time, or getting 600% better results than what you see in the NFL.

http://www.2kfootballstrategy.com/shared/images/apf2k8/OffsidesFalseStarts.jpg

damn v u didnt have to go all google on me. but its all good but i never said that i average 2 offsides a game, i said i get 2 offsides max. i was going the game i watch throughtout the years and i see more than one offsides when i said 3-6.

to everybody who wrote on this forums talking non sense about cadence the right way. if yall cant handle someone getting a little 10 yards due to penalty then i know yall got way more losses than i do. your feedback aint better but like i said people find dumb reason why they lose. your opponents got 395 yards fair and square but u call him dirty and give him a negative cause he gets an extra 5 yards off a penalty to have 400 yards total

[JHova1982]

^^ im glad I made this thread cause it really shows who knows football and understand the sport, and those who are just playing football just to play and win

[Oldkingsman]

damn v u didnt have to go all google on me. but its all good but i never said that i average 2 offsides a game, i said i get 2 offsides max. i was going the game i watch throughtout the years and i see more than one offsides when i said 3-6.

to everybody who wrote on this forums talking non sense about cadence the right way. if yall cant handle someone getting a little 10 yards due to penalty then i know yall got way more losses than i do. your feedback aint better but like i said people find dumb reason why they lose. your opponents got 395 yards fair and square but u call him dirty and give him a negative cause he gets an extra 5 yards off a penalty to have 400 yards total

You will say anything to protect your way of the cadence! Are you blind? Do you not understand? The problem isn't the # of yards it's the way you get them.

You have NO D-FENSE against cadence, OK! NO D-FENSE! Thats an unfair advantage
when someone else is earning their yards! Get it? I didn't think so.

[Oldkingsman]

^^ im glad I made this thread cause it really shows who knows football and understand the sport, and those who are just playing football just to play and win

Wow! You can get all that info on people from this post? Cool. Hey, maybe some bank acct numbers next! cool. :thumbsup:

[twosilk]

^^ im glad I made this thread cause it really shows who knows football and understand the sport, and those who are just playing football just to play and win

tell u what u do cadence to get your 10 yards and I will run no huddle get me two "cheap offsides" penalties and we will be even

[Changeup]

Cadence is the cheapest cheese in online sports videogame history , period , end of story /thread

[JHova1982]

tell u what u do cadence to get your 10 yards and I will run no huddle get me two "cheap offsides" penalties and we will be even

g i got 4 offsides before due to no huddle and still won that game so gone right ahead. not gone hurt my game plan

and to oldkingsman. the way i use cadence is hit it once and call hike and its works twice maybe. if you cant defend giving up 10 yards then i question your defensive strategy.

ok now i get it. see my defense vip keep opponent(the elite, average, or weak) under 21. so giving up 10 yards not gone bother my game. i guess your defense cant hold up so u need every yard u need to stop your opponents. NOW I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME THE LIGHT

[Big M]

^By that logic, we could say that you're offense absolutely has to have those ten yards, and could start questioning how good you are on offense to resort to cadence.

BTW- This will be my only post here. I don't really want to get in an argument; I was just saying, there is no need to question someone's skill because they don't want to be cadence'd.

[FLAxWLESS]

So why do you do it if it's only 10 yards?

[Oldkingsman]

[QUOTE=JHova1982]g i got 4 offsides before due to no huddle and still won that game so gone right ahead. not gone hurt my game plan

and to oldkingsman. the way i use cadence is hit it once and call hike and its works twice maybe. if you cant defend giving up 10 yards then i question your defensive strategy.

ok now i get it. see my defense vip keep opponent(the elite, average, or weak) under 21. so giving up 10 yards not gone bother my game. i guess your defense cant hold up so u need every yard u need to stop your opponents. NOW I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME THE LIGHT[/QUOTE

You make NO sense. You need 10 yards from cadence, and your putting people down because we think it's cheap? WTF! Ok, you are hopeless...i will no longer respond. Wow. clueless.

[JHova1982]

^By that logic, we could say that you're offense absolutely has to have those ten yards, and could start questioning how good you are on offense to resort to cadence.

BTW- This will be my only post here. I don't really want to get in an argument; I was just saying, there is no need to question someone's skill because they don't want to be cadence'd.

well my offense is not all that. its get the job done that i want my offense to accomplish. and getting a extra 5 or 10 yards is not gone help me score, its give my star running back a helping hand thats about it.

now looking at myself i really only do it when i run the ball. so when people blitz heavy to stop my rb. i cadence to try and catch it or make a decision to audible out. like i said i only hit the button once

[BofaDeezNutts]

well my offense is not all that. its get the job done that i want my offense to accomplish. and getting a extra 5 or 10 yards is not gone help me score, its give my star running back a helping hand thats about it.

now looking at myself i really only do it when i run the ball. so when people blitz heavy to stop my rb. i cadence to try and catch it or make a decision to audible out. like i said i only hit the button once


On a serious note, where did you go to school?

[Oldkingsman]

On a serious note, where did you go to school?

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Thats a serious note? C'mon Bofa! School??? You are a funny man!
School of cadense, thats it. ca-DENSE.

[ballin5692]

cadence will be cheap as long as you cannot do anything to stop it. i think if 2k does ever make another football game they add a jump the snap count button like on madden. and when you do the cadence the screen jumps up and if you jump early its your fault you jumped. also your guy is the only guy in the defence that can jump offsides. so all the other players will just stay still until the ball is snaped.

[JHova1982]

[QUOTE=JHova1982]g i got 4 offsides before due to no huddle and still won that game so gone right ahead. not gone hurt my game plan

and to oldkingsman. the way i use cadence is hit it once and call hike and its works twice maybe. if you cant defend giving up 10 yards then i question your defensive strategy.

ok now i get it. see my defense vip keep opponent(the elite, average, or weak) under 21. so giving up 10 yards not gone bother my game. i guess your defense cant hold up so u need every yard u need to stop your opponents. NOW I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME THE LIGHT[/QUOTE

You make NO sense. You need 10 yards from cadence, and your putting people down because we think it's cheap? WTF! Ok, you are hopeless...i will no longer respond. Wow. clueless.

if thats how u feel. but ive always told your KUNG-FU WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH kingsman.

anyways, since u didnt understand my first post. this was in it: The Wrong Way
the wrong way its plain and simple, if u walking up to line of scrimmage and press the cadence button until u see your opponent offsides, and yeah i agree with people on thats aspect. yeah now cadence turning cheap when u sitting at the line on scrimmage mashing on the b button untill your opponents draw offsides.

you see the comments highlighted, this is me agreeing with yall with this aspect of cadence. im not putting nobody down that they feel that cadence is cheap, ITS HOW YALL FEEL CADENCE IS CHEAP.

by what you and everyone that called cadence cheap period, yall saying that nobody can ever hit the b button, you must have 0 yards in line of scrimmage penalties cause if they do it there dirty and cheap and should get a negative. AM I LYING?............................. NO. IS THAT FAIR FOR YALL TO CONCLUDE THAT?........................NO cause what if that person hits the button by mistake and draws u offsides. you gone give him a negative and call him a cheap player; by what u and everyone else saying that answer will be YES!!!!. AM I LYING?............................go back to where the proof is.

if u gone blame your loss on a little things as 5 yards and call someone dirty and give them a negative when u cant figured out your opponent got 350 yards in total offense and scored 38 points. i dont question the cadence call, i question u and your defense

[JHova1982]

On a serious note, where did you go to school?

went to high school, and college. YOUR POINT IS? THIS IS THE INTERNET....ARE U MY MASTERS DEGREE TEACHER IN ONE OF MY CLASSES? NOPE. ARE YOU THE COMPANY THAT I WORK FOR? NOPE.

so your outlook on my grammar, comprehension, spelling mean nothin to me

[illmatic32]

I still say its cheese b/c the defense has no way to counter against it not unless leadership comes into affect and helps the generics not jump offfsides..

[Oldkingsman]

[QUOTE=Oldkingsman]

if thats how u feel. but ive always told your KUNG-FU WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH kingsman.

anyways, since u didnt understand my first post. this was in it: The Wrong Way
the wrong way its plain and simple, if u walking up to line of scrimmage and press the cadence button until u see your opponent offsides, and yeah i agree with people on thats aspect. yeah now cadence turning cheap when u sitting at the line on scrimmage mashing on the b button untill your opponents draw offsides.

you see the comments highlighted, this is me agreeing with yall with this aspect of cadence. im not putting nobody down that they feel that cadence is cheap, ITS HOW YALL FEEL CADENCE IS CHEAP.

by what you and everyone that called cadence cheap period, yall saying that nobody can ever hit the b button, you must have 0 yards in line of scrimmage penalties cause if they do it there dirty and cheap and should get a negative. AM I LYING?............................. NO. IS THAT FAIR FOR YALL TO CONCLUDE THAT?........................NO cause what if that person hits the button by mistake and draws u offsides. you gone give him a negative and call him a cheap player; by what u and everyone else saying that answer will be YES!!!!. AM I LYING?............................go back to where the proof is.

if u gone blame your loss on a little things as 5 yards and call someone dirty and give them a negative when u cant figured out your opponent got 350 yards in total offense and scored 38 points. i dont question the cadence call, i question u and your defense

What loss? what 350 yds do you speak of? What 38 Points? See this is my point. Your speaking of things that have nothing to do with the real world, and do not exsist! Question my defense? What in the world does this have to do with YOU and cadence?? NOTHING! You blaming others for what you do is silly. Stop it. It's all an excuse and deflection from what you're doing, nobody else. Own up. It's cheap b/c it CAN"T be defended. PERIOD!

[totalownership]

if u gone blame your loss on a little things as 5 yards and call someone dirty and give them a negative when u cant figured out your opponent got 350 yards in total offense and scored 38 points. i dont question the cadence call, i question u and your defense
Yeah but if those "little 5 yards" happen to come with your opponent on your 6 yard line with him going for it on 4th and he gets those "little 5 yards" then they aren't as little are they? And it doesn't matter if your opponent got 10 yards on you all game or 1000 if that cheapness decides the game then it's bogus.

I'm of the thinking like most here. There's no "stay on your heels" button or "chill and get beat on the snap if you have to" button so to me it's pretty weak. Like people say here the false starts are to rare in this game to justify cadence. If you could "show blitz" and get a couple of false starts then I could see using the cadence more especially when they do show blitz as that movement could cause your own man to jump off sides in conjunction with a cadence.

To each his own I say. You paid your money like everyone else so you're entitled to play the game you want so there's no need to apologize for how you play. But keep in mind the next guy paid his money also so he's entitled to play and send feedback how he feels so you gotta decide whats more important to you.

But cadence in the game is messed up. I recall quite a few games where on ONE DRIVE people damn near drove half the field on me with cadence alone.

[JHova1982]

[QUOTE=JHova1982]

What loss? what 350 yds do you speak of? What 38 Points? See this is my point. Your speaking of things that have nothing to do with the real world, and do not exsist! Question my defense? What in the world does this have to do with YOU and cadense?? NOTHING! You blaming others for what you do is silly. Stop it. It's all an excuse and deflection from what your doing, nobody else. Own up. It's cheap b/c it CAN"T be defended. PERIOD!

g i was using that as an example, analogy, whatever. i mean u only get offside on defense so obviously cadence play a role. COME ON G, U KILLING YOURSELF. i would love to see more false starts too but ITS ONLY 5 YARDS G, what defense do u possibly need if its only works once

[Oldkingsman]

Yeah but if those "little 5 yards" happen to come with your opponent on your 6 yard line with him going for it on 4th and he gets those "little 5 yards" then they aren't as little are they? And it doesn't matter if your opponent got 10 yards on you all game or 1000 if that cheapness decides the game then it's bogus.

I'm of the thinking like most here. There's no "stay on your heels" button or "chill and get beat on the snap if you have to" button so to me it's pretty weak. Like people say here the false starts are to rare in this game to justify cadence. If you could "show blitz" and get a couple of false starts then I could see using the cadence more especially when they do show blitz as that movement could cause your own man to jump off sides in conjunction with a cadence.

To each his own I say. You paid your money like everyone else so you're entitled to play the game you want so there's no need to apologize for how you play. But keep in mind the next guy paid his money also so he's entitled to play and send feedback how he feels so you gotta decide whats more important to you.

But cadence in the game is messed up. I recall quite a few games where on ONE DRIVE people damn near drove half the field on me with cadence alone.

Very nice post Total. But...your talking to someone with the IQ of a rock. It dosen't matter at this point. Cadence is his pal. They are one. More and more excuses for his pal will pile up. It's time to move on, for he will blame you for not seeing cadence the way he does...sad as that may be, it is all 2 true.:(

[JHova1982]

Yeah but if those "little 5 yards" happen to come with your opponent on your 6 yard line with him going for it on 4th and he gets those "little 5 yards" then they aren't as little are they? And it doesn't matter if your opponent got 10 yards on you all game or 1000 if that cheapness decides the game then it's bogus.

I'm of the thinking like most here. There's no "stay on your heels" button or "chill and get beat on the snap if you have to" button so to me it's pretty weak. Like people say here the false starts are to rare in this game to justify cadence. If you could "show blitz" and get a couple of false starts then I could see using the cadence more especially when they do show blitz as that movement could cause your own man to jump off sides in conjunction with a cadence.

To each his own I say. You paid your money like everyone else so you're entitled to play the game you want so there's no need to apologize for how you play. But keep in mind the next guy paid his money also so he's entitled to play and send feedback how he feels so you gotta decide whats more important to you.

But cadence in the game is messed up. I recall quite a few games where on ONE DRIVE people damn near drove half the field on me with cadence alone.

with your first paragragh, what if that was the only time he press it period. Do he derserve to be call dirty and gets a negative?.............................nobody is really reading my first post.

i agree that the cadence is messed up but doing fake cadence is apart of football saying its cheap period is unfair to not only me but to everybody.

with your thrid paragraph if i saw that i was getting a drive off offsides alone, then yeah i would text u and tell u to make sure u slap that negative on me. i know im a straight up player so that wont happen

[JHova1982]

Very nice post Total. But...your talking to someone with the IQ of a rock. It dosen't matter at this point. Cadence is his pal. They are one. More and more excuses for his pal will pile up. It's time to move on, for he will blame you for not seeing cadence the way he does...sad as that may be, it is all 2 true.:(


i got the IQ of a rock but i have more sense to know that 5 yards wont hurt my chances of winning, or be the main reason why i lost a game, or call them cheap and give them negatives.

so if my IQ is ROCKS, whats yours? MAGGOTS. rocks last longer than the human or maggot brain, so i can safely say i will still be SOLID AND LIVING way after u fall :)

[totalownership]

with your first paragragh, what if that was the only time he press it period. Do he derserve to be call dirty and gets a negative?.............................nobody is really reading my first post.

i agree that the cadence is messed up but doing fake cadence is apart of football saying its cheap period is unfair to not only me but to everybody.

with your thrid paragraph if i saw that i was getting a drive off offsides alone, then yeah i would text u and tell u to make sure u slap that negative on me. i know im a straight up player so that wont happen
I've read every post in this thread. I know what everyone has said. I know exactly what your point is. What you fail to realize is that people don't like getting screwed on something they have no control over yet the other guy can whip out whenever they feel like it. Nine out of ten guys who are posting here would rather get beat by Earl Campbell for those 5 yards, hell, for 10 yards rather than get jerked for 5 cheap ones.

As far as getting feedback you're just going to have to deal with that. As you can tell people feel very strongly about the subject and rightfully so, therefor you're not going to change anyone's mind about the practice. You're going to have to live with using it and risk getting negative feedback or not using it and getting yards strictly on play calling and skill.

[BenRThaG.O.A.T]

10 "free yards" is cheap, no matter how you look at it. Just using the word "free" in this game is retarded... it's easy enough to score/move the ball, why abuse something that is so easily obtained???? Are you that much of a bum on offense, that you need those "Free yards" to win?? How many times do you see "Cadence" work in real life? That's like saying I only used the FG Block glitch 2 times, and that isn't much... it's just cheap to use it, and if you can't see that, you should go play Madden... on Genesis.

[BenRThaG.O.A.T]

i got the IQ of a rock but i have more sense to know that 5 yards wont hurt my chances of winning, or be the main reason why i lost a game, or call them cheap and give them negatives.

so if my IQ is ROCKS, whats yours? MAGGOTS. rocks last longer than the human or maggot brain, so i can safely say i will still be SOLID AND LIVING way after u fall :)
Wow..... Just wow....

I didn't know rocks were "living"... you have to be kidding man... you just have too.

[JHova1982]

Wow..... Just wow....

I didn't know rocks were "living"... you have to be kidding man... you just have too.

the living part was actually me being a human. lol but anyways im not trying to change people opinion. never try to but almost 350 people viewed this thread alone so if people feel what oldkingsman and other feel, then hey if someone get one offside call on you, give them a negative cause according to them, u got 5 free yards so U PLAYING DIRTY AND CHEAP.

now if people feel that i made some strong points, WHICH I KNOW I DID, then they may there aspect on the cadence call and wait to they get 20 yards worth, or he standing on the line of scrimmage the whole play clock hitting the b button and then u can call them cheap and dirty and give them a negative

[Oldkingsman]

Wow..... Just wow....

I didn't know rocks were "living"... you have to be kidding man... you just have too.

He's not kidding. He really is that brain dead.:( Living rocks??? Hahahahah. Ok.:rotfl:

[Gtboys34]

when playing against someone who abuses cadence...i'll just adjust my de's (they jump 95% of the time) and no problem.

[NPYYZ]

The only way cadence would be "fair" would be if the offense jumped offsides some times as well. Make it 50/50 either the offense or defense would jump, that way the person using cadence would have to pay the price as well. The way it is now it's a cheap play.

[ElGreazy78]

Wow, I really can't believe nobody agrees with Jhova? I'm pretty sim (as much as I hate the term) and I play as real as possible. I mean, I don't even use Cadence but really I see no problem with it if it's done realistically the way he explained. The guy isn't going up to the line and mashing the the B button to death, he's simply using it a couple of times in the game like any QB in the NFL would do; sometimes he'll get an offsides but if he doesn't no biggie, he tried it once much like we all try the Signal Stealer once per play.

Simply put, cadence is a part of real football and there is nothing in real life a player can do than simply be disciplined and watch the ball and not listen to the QB. There is no way to replicate this in APF so generally you'll see players with less "awareness" jump because of their lack of football skill. And as I stated before, if Cadence wasn't a part of football then it first of all wouldn't be allowed (and used) in the real football and it also wouldn't have been an Ability in this game.

There is one way to counter cadence in APF but it can only be used against a constant cadence cheeser: manually swap back and forth with your d-line so that way you constantly have human control of them and nobody will jump. Yes, I'm sure this will upset you guys who manually move every defensive player on the field before the snap, but it's the only way to stop it. As for stopping the occasional cadence user (like Jhova), there is no way, just like in real life football there is no way to prevent it.

[FLAxWLESS]

Just stopping giving him attention.

[Oldkingsman]

Just stopping giving him attention.

Close this tread please!! No more nonsense! The people have spoken and 95% say cadenece is cheese. Get over it.

[Numbski]

I only every hard count to keep manual blitzers from coming across too quickly, and to throw off the defense's timing if I'm going to go deep. On the other hand, I've seen people using Elway walk to the line, hit the button something like 6 times. I wouldn't have a problem with that *at all* if the offensive line jumped more often.

You come up to the line and "hut hut HUT, hut HUT HUT, hut hut" and I fully expect SOMEONE to jump. :) It just shouldn't always be the defense. :P

[JHova1982]

good looking greazy, and numbski. thats really all i was trying to get through to kingsman and his lack of knowledge of football, everyone else saying cadence is cheap PERIOD!!!. if you sitting at the line of scrimmage mashing on the b button trying to get me offsides on moe than one occasion, then U ARE CHEAP AND DESERVE A NEGATIVE. But NOBODY, THATS INCLUDES ME AND ALL OF 2K8 PLAYERS(even u kingsman), doesnt deserve to be mislabel and giving negatives if get one offsides call on you, THE RIGHT WAY, regardless of the situation in which the call was given.

if people gone cry over 5 yards if they do it the right way, in a realistic manner, and give them negatives and call them dirty thats proves to me that u must suck defensively or dont watch enough real life football to grasp what im saying.

[BrandH]

Ok I'll spin it this way you're opponent is on 5yd line :01 seconds left on the clock you here "HUT!!" you're defender jumps off sides you hit his back in the backfield or intercept his pass to win but wait, it get called back over something as cheap as cadence, he moves up to the goal line and punches it in to win the game....Can you honestly say you'd be ok with losing in that fashion. Cadence is cheap period, if you need 10 free yards a game you might wanna be the one to hit the practice facility.
In this game it wouldn't matter because the half and 4th quarter still end on a penalty.

[UnMaTcHeD]

good looking greazy, and numbski. thats really all i was trying to get through to kingsman and his lack of knowledge of football, everyone else saying cadence is cheap PERIOD!!!. if you sitting at the line of scrimmage mashing on the b button trying to get me offsides on moe than one occasion, then U ARE CHEAP AND DESERVE A NEGATIVE. But NOBODY, THATS INCLUDES ME AND ALL OF 2K8 PLAYERS(even u kingsman), doesnt deserve to be mislabel and giving negatives if get one offsides call on you, THE RIGHT WAY, regardless of the situation in which the call was given.

if people gone cry over 5 yards if they do it the right way, in a realistic manner, and give them negatives and call them dirty thats proves to me that u must suck defensively or dont watch enough real life football to grasp what im saying.

There is no way that you can compare how cadence draws an NFL player offsides with how it is represented in the game. In all pro each player controls their team, what makes it fair for only one of those players to have the ability to gain an advantage over the other player's team by pressing a button?

As I have stated earlier in this thread, "It would not be cheese it if I were the one on offense who presses a button to try and jump your snap, but get called for a penalty because I pressed it too early".

What does the fact that nearly everyone who responded say that cadence (in All Pro football) is cheap?

[GoodSense]

The title of this thread is kind of like saying, "Smoking crack is harmless when done in moderation"
:rotfl: Too funny!

[GoodSense]

good looking greazy, and numbski. thats really all i was trying to get through to kingsman and his lack of knowledge of football, everyone else saying cadence is cheap PERIOD!!!. if you sitting at the line of scrimmage mashing on the b button trying to get me offsides on moe than one occasion, then U ARE CHEAP AND DESERVE A NEGATIVE. But NOBODY, THATS INCLUDES ME AND ALL OF 2K8 PLAYERS(even u kingsman), doesnt deserve to be mislabel and giving negatives if get one offsides call on you, THE RIGHT WAY, regardless of the situation in which the call was given.

if people gone cry over 5 yards if they do it the right way, in a realistic manner, and give them negatives and call them dirty thats proves to me that u must suck defensively or dont watch enough real life football to grasp what im saying.

See... I'm open to this idea. Initially, I was one too who looked at the cadence issue from one perspective and that was someone sitting there doing it over and over and over.
Heck the cpu will do with when you play Legends on 4th down and short when it is behind in the 3rd quarter.

The issue is on defense you have no way of HOLDING your line. They could do this and it would put an end to the issue. But again... if they do it right. The right way would be a SLIGHT slower response to an actual snap if made. The other is the cadence needs to work against them too. False starts. I don't think I've seen any in this version.
And of course not make it so easy to draw when used.

With that said... you bring a pretty good case where cadence could be acceptable in a game. Oh... but if they do it once there is a time limit because when the playclock drops to under 10 seconds it seems the cadence becomes more successful.


So I could work with this.

[Oldkingsman]

good looking greazy, and numbski. thats really all i was trying to get through to kingsman and his lack of knowledge of football, everyone else saying cadence is cheap PERIOD!!!. if you sitting at the line of scrimmage mashing on the b button trying to get me offsides on moe than one occasion, then U ARE CHEAP AND DESERVE A NEGATIVE. But NOBODY, THATS INCLUDES ME AND ALL OF 2K8 PLAYERS(even u kingsman), doesnt deserve to be mislabel and giving negatives if get one offsides call on you, THE RIGHT WAY, regardless of the situation in which the call was given.

if people gone cry over 5 yards if they do it the right way, in a realistic manner, and give them negatives and call them dirty thats proves to me that u must suck defensively or dont watch enough real life football to grasp what im saying.

Ok, Football knowledge. Any subject you want "brain dead" how about world history or i dont know...english? Look, this is a video game first of all, players don't react the same,ok. Second. The games a.i. is flawed when it comes to cadence, giving the edge to the O 9 out of 10 times. Not only can you NOT prevent this, it is cheap b/c you know there is no defense for it, making it cheap and unfair to a player that doesn't use it. Does this not make sense?

Knowledge of football? Or Knowledge of 2k8 VIDEO game football? And again your broken logic about someone must suck at defense b/c they don't like people getting free or unearned yds is the stupidest thing you've said and thats saying something!

[Valdarez]

It's fairly obvious that most people view the use of Cadence in a bad light due to how effective it is in the game, that false starts are fewer than offsides (which is against the NFL trend / statistics), and that there is no way to defend against it.

[Oldkingsman]

It's fairly obvious that most people view the use of Cadence in a bad light due to how effective it is in the game, that false starts are fewer than offsides (which is against the NFL trend / statistics), and that there is no way to defend against it.

Hey! I just said that! lol. Anyway, you're talking to a wall in Hova. He will never hear it. He will say something like..." You gone tel me once time usin cadense is cheap n cheese"? "Then your defense must suck if give up 900 yds and get mad at 5 free yds"

And we don't want to hear that noise, now do we.

[JHova1982]

Ok, Football knowledge. Any subject you want "brain dead" how about world history or i dont know...english? Look, Mr. "Not so smart" this is a video game first of all, players don't react the same,ok. Second. The games a.i. is flawed when it comes to cadence, giving the edge to the O 9 out of 10 times. Not only can you NOT prevent this, it is cheap b/c you know there is no defense for it, making it cheap and unfair to a player that doesn't use it. Does this not make sense?

Knowledge of football? Or Knowledge of 2k8 VIDEO game football? And again your broken logic about someone must suck at defense b/c they don't like people getting free or unearned yds is the stupidest thing you've said and thats saying something!

i dont know about u kingsman, maybe u half-blind when u looking at the monitor. "it is cheap b/c you know there is no defense for it, making it cheap and unfair to a player that doesn't use it. Does this not make sense?" please go back and read when i said that i know the cadence is messed up. where i also said that i would love to see more false starts too. i know u read when i said if someone is abusing cadence then they should be labeled and get dealt with the consequences, i put it in bold face letters for you to see.

it doenst matter if the opponent dont want to use cadence and i do. if i only get one offsides call, that oppoents has no right to call me cheap or give me a negatives. SO IF I ONLY RUN THE BALL, AND U ONLY PASS THE BALL YOU GONE CALL ME DIRTY AND GIVE ME THE NEGATIVE CAUSE I WIN WITH THAT STRATEGY.

AND YES U DO SUCK ON DEFENSE IF U CANT ACCEPT YOUR OPPONENTS GETTING 5 YARDS. IM SORRY KINGSMAN BUT SINCE U SAID CADENCE IS CHEAP PERIOD!!!! U MUST SUCK ON DEFENSE. THAT THE ONLY LOGIC I CAN COME UP WITH.
i know i play solid defense so stuff like 5 yards dont phase me, whether its the right way or wrong way. U CAN HAVE YOUR FREE YARDS 5,10,15, OR 20 cause my oppoents better gain from getting them. see kingsman this is how a compeititor talk, u must be a salesman for CHARMIN TISSUE alot of soft talking out here

[BofaDeezNutts]

went to high school, and college. YOUR POINT IS? THIS IS THE INTERNET....ARE U MY MASTERS DEGREE TEACHER IN ONE OF MY CLASSES? NOPE. ARE YOU THE COMPANY THAT I WORK FOR? NOPE.

so your outlook on my grammar, comprehension, spelling mean nothin to me


All I did, was ask where you went to school. I did not say anything else. You must have a guilty conscious.

And to answer your 2 questions.....No, and I am happy to say that I am not your teacher or your boss because, I can gaurantee those jobs do not pay enough!!! ;)

[JHova1982]

All I did, was ask where you went to school. I did not say anything else. You must have a guilty conscious.

And to answer your 2 questions.....No, and I am happy to say that I am not your teacher or your boss because, I can gaurantee those jobs do not pay enough!!! ;)

cause i know u was on there trying to funny. but u want the answer to your question. fine well i stay in chi-town, went to julian high school(jaguars boyyyy!) attended DeVry University and got a bachelor degree in engineering.

i work for southwest airlines mechanic department, and i make about 1800 a month and that will increase. im not shame about anything i accomplish dog

[GoodSense]

Guys... he admitted the use of the cadence is cheap.

He is concentrating on a minimized use of the cadence.

Like during those 3-4 seconds people are requesting on the defensive end. :lol:

Do it once and not do it again and of course not below that 10 second or whatever it is where its effectiveness jumps sky high.



I mean does every discussion have to be about someone's intelligence or lack there of?

[BofaDeezNutts]

cause i know u was on there trying to funny. but u want the answer to your question. fine well i stay in chi-town, went to julian high school(jaguars boyyyy!) attended DeVry University and got a bachelor degree in engineering.

i work for southwest airlines mechanic department, and i make about 1800 a month and that will increase. im not shame about anything i accomplish dog

The feeling of accomplishment is what keeps most of us going, nobody should be ashamed of that.

[nflhitman]

cause i know u was on there trying to funny. but u want the answer to your question. fine well i stay in chi-town, went to julian high school(jaguars boyyyy!) attended DeVry University and got a bachelor degree in engineering.

i work for southwest airlines mechanic department, and i make about 1800 a month and that will increase. im not shame about anything i accomplish dog

Im not hating on you when I say this.....

If you went to college and got a engineering degree and you only make $1800 a month??

I dont see how this is possible with a engineering degree to make so little?

[JHova1982]

The feeling of accomplishment is what keeps most of us going, nobody should be ashamed of that.

on the internet i like to freelance when i type. this world is stress enough already to be worrying about being a top student in english on the internet. i like to type what im thinking right then and there, and i be thinking too much and typing too slow to keep up. i correct myself sometimes and sometimes i just say forget click the submit button

[GoodSense]

Im not hating on you when I say this.....

If you went to college and got a engineering degree and you only make $1800 a month??

I dont see how this is possible with a engineering degree to make so little?


Well he didn't say WHEN he got his degree, so maybe this is a new accomplishment he just attained.

I think DeVry allows you to work and get your education.

And an engineering degree is an accomplishment in itself.

[JHova1982]

Im not hating on you when I say this.....

If you went to college and got a engineering degree and you only make $1800 a month??

I dont see how this is possible with a engineering degree to make so little?

well i just do storage, its gone be awhile before i can actually take one of the mechanics job. they hogging all the money them old timers, and i got to go back to school to get some aviation engineering classes. thats 1800 is perfect for my lifestyle right now, so i have no beef with it

[amid]

well i just do storage, its gone be awhile before i can actually take one of the mechanics job. they hogging all the money them old timers, and i got to go back to school to get some aviation engineering classes. thats 1800 is perfect for my lifestyle right now, so i have no beef with it

none of us will ever make as much as ice thor zeus so don't worry about it. jhova is content with what he makes. that is worth a whole lot!

[Valdarez]

This thread has devolved and gone completely off topic.