inside the mind of a cheater

[amid]

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/tjspeaks/c2.jpg
Do you recognize these symptoms in you or someone you love?
There is help available. There are people standing by ready to assist you.
The 1st step is admitting you have a problem. This is the hardest step.

[hibachiii]

Why does he have to be black though?

[amid]

he doesn't have to be. cheaters come in all colors, shapes and sizes. they come from all different backgrounds. they can be rich or poor. they can be intelligent or ignorant. in fact, they often look like regular guys, until you realize what's goin' on inside the dark mind of a cheater. it's scary!

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/tjspeaks/c-4.jpg

[GoodSense]

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/tjspeaks/c2.jpg
Do you recognize these symptoms in you or someone you love?
There is help available. There are people standing by ready to assist you.
The 1st step is admitting you have a problem. This is the hardest step.

I can go along with that except for the quick snapper.
You call your offense... I'll call my defense... so we both have performed the same level of functions without prior knowledge of the teams setup right? Ok.

You quick snap... Oh well... for me because if I've called the right play based on the game tendencies that reveal itself as it progresses then I'll be fine. And if I setup my audibles correctly and use them correctly I'll be fine too. It won't stop the player everytime, but it works just fine.

Cheating usually involves a glitch not preference.
When I posted a thread a while back that included much of that and the unsportsmanlike conduct of looping replays despite being out of the game which actions encouraged me to score suddenly I was the bad person. But I emphasized being rated as neutral because he lost when despite the stuff you mentioned I noticed in the game I gave him a postive rating. I wonder if that is because people could relate to being on his end, keep in mind he fits that profile you just described?

Oh well I guess it is all about perception. :lol:


NOTE: You forgot the 4th & ... in his own territory thingy.

[amid]

I can go along with that except for the quick snapper.
You call your offense... I'll call my defense... so we both have performed the same level of functions without prior knowledge of the teams setup right? Ok.

You quick snap... Oh well... for me because if I've called the right play based on the game tendencies that reveal itself as it progresses then I'll be fine. And if I setup my audibles correctly and use them correctly I'll be fine too. It won't stop the player everytime, but it works just fine.

this works fine for cover 2, however, sitting in zone with no 'help' gets you picked apart with passes by any decent player. you have to make adjustments to zone defenses which takes a little time. a quick snapper can simply pick apart your zone defense with passes or force you into man/cover 2 and then run the ball. it's cheap. as we all know the defense is already at a disadvantage.

this quick snap dead horse has already been beaten. this thread is more of a good vs evil deal. are you an evil no good rotten cheater or not and if 'yes' do you want to change? :cool:

[GoodSense]

this works fine for cover 2, however, sitting in zone with no 'help' gets you picked apart with passes by any decent player. you have to make adjustments to zone defenses which takes a little time. a quick snapper can simply pick apart your zone defense with passes or force you into man/cover 2 and then run the ball. it's cheap. as we all know the defense is already at a disadvantage.

this quick snap dead horse has already been beaten. this thread is more of a good vs evil deal. are you an evil no good rotten cheater or not and if 'yes' do you want to change? :cool:

It can work for all covers if done right.

I can agree with you if you remove the quick snap from the formula.
And a recent suggestion by a player about cadence could make that inclusion dependent on how it is used.

So the verdict is still out.
I'll toss in a quick hike once or twice a game just for a matter of changed pace and unpredictable hikes. The only other time is if I see a defender may be taking a little too much advantage of the time and basically fully customizing the play with the exception of the DL routes which can be random at times, but this is rare and doesn't last a full game or anything. A Glitcher will get a full run of it though. ;)

Basically it is there to keep my opponent honest.

[UnMaTcHeD]

This thread can lead to nothing but trouble.

[Valdarez]

I think that pic hits the nail on the head. Every one of those items are things that the questionable players tend to utilize to gain an advantage. Every one of them takes advantage of short comings in the game.

[OldRamsFan]

What is the "d-line" glitch?

[Big M]

There are ways to get your defensive linemen to shoot through the O-line without getting blocked. I'm not sure how to do it, but it's extremely annoying.

[Reed#20]

Just experienced it. Line up in any 4 man line scheme, take either defensive end and move him all the way to the other side outside of the other DE. On the snap run inside the DE and DT untouched. I don't necessarily consider this cheese, it's just messed up if you are not prepared for it. I started rolling away from it with a great deal of success and kept my offense rolling, but FG blocking and onside kick garbage did me in in the end, not to mention 2 6'6 Gold WR's. But if you sit in that pocket forget it, SACKED.

[GoodSense]

I think that pic hits the nail on the head. Every one of those items are things that the questionable players tend to utilize to gain an advantage. Every one of them takes advantage of short comings in the game.


:lol:

So you even agree with the ??

:rotfl:

[JHova1982]

i dont consider the quick snap cheating. i dont know any sport where defense get showed love or courtesy to. if u not ready to defend by the time the QB touch that football under the center then u just out of luck. this is coming from a defensive-minded person

[MINATAURO]

quick snap=not cheating, everything else probably

[amid]

:lol:

So you even agree with the ??

:rotfl:

the '?' represents the dark cruddy mind of the cheater. he's always thinking 'what can i do next to cheat?' it also represents any thing that was missed on the diagram.

[Valdarez]

You could add Bunny Hops and QB Punts that give automatic roughing the kicker calls. I would still leave the ? there though so GoodSense has something to smile about. ;)

[JHova1982]

yeah I hate the QB punt too. did real qb ever did that? I don't recall but on 2k8 that a dirty play

[96vegas]

actually instead of being a person it should be like a cheating tree and jhova should be under the cadence branch its a little to the left of the tree trunk

[OldRamsFan]

Just experienced it. Line up in any 4 man line scheme, take either defensive end and move him all the way to the other side outside of the other DE. On the snap run inside the DE and DT untouched. I don't necessarily consider this cheese, it's just messed up if you are not prepared for it. I started rolling away from it with a great deal of success and kept my offense rolling, but FG blocking and onside kick garbage did me in in the end, not to mention 2 6'6 Gold WR's. But if you sit in that pocket forget it, SACKED.
Wow, that's kinda crazy, isn't it?

[GoodSense]

You could add Bunny Hops and QB Punts that give automatic roughing the kicker calls. I would still leave the ? there though so GoodSense has something to smile about. ;)

:lol:
No need to worry. I've got plenty to smile about.

Once you realize that the people making up the rules, while some are valid, do uh... ? things you'll understand.

And I'm sure they wouldn't consider them cheaters, cheese, or whatever other label because it is an action they approve of or will argue/debate just as strongly as anyone else.

The glitches are obvious and rarely involve anything to debate thus the term "glitch".
Outside of that it becomes an open debate of opinions and preferences.


I've done QB Punts and never received a roughing the kicker call.
I wondered whether they removed it because on punts often times defender diving in that should hit the punter do not. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've just never run across it.
I can see why some QB Punts might result in it, but to conclude that reasoning requires... testing under variation. Such as... direct call versus audible, various formations etc...

The Bunny Hop I've seen in various accepted videos right here on this site, so I'm not sure what to make of that and I begs the question of cheese labeling being bias.
Question: is there an attribute that makes this more effective like scissor kicks?

The cadence I can understand, but because I'm an open minded person, within reason of course, the suggestion by one player about not using it multiple times sounds reasonable.

[Da Mad Gamer]

You know the funny thing about this is that EA just officially announced FNR4 today and already we know that Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Ali, and Sugar Ray Leonard are in the game. It took us months to find out who was in Prizefighter after it was officially announced. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a ton of screens and some gameplay video of FNR4 real soon.


I just wish that 2K would promote their games much better than they do. No gameplay videos with only a month to go is just retarded. Now with the announcement that Mike Tyson is in FNR4, expect Prizefighter to really suffer because now a lot of people are just gonna wait for FNR4, especially since they don't even have any new gameplay videos or details about PF. It's just a shame the way PF has been marketed and i hope 2K learns from this after sales go in the toilet.

[Higgus]

Why does he have to be black though?
He believes most cheaters are black... don't you?

[amid]

He believes most cheaters are black... don't you?
higgus now that's a stretch isn't it since you don't know what i believe? i'll say it again... in my neighborhood, workplace, church and family... there is a mix of blacks and whites and racism doesn't exist (that i know of).

[GoodSense]

You know the funny thing about this is that EA just officially announced FNR4 today and already we know that Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Ali, and Sugar Ray Leonard are in the game. It took us months to find out who was in Prizefighter after it was officially announced. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a ton of screens and some gameplay video of FNR4 real soon.


I just wish that 2K would promote their games much better than they do. No gameplay videos with only a month to go is just retarded. Now with the announcement that Mike Tyson is in FNR4, expect Prizefighter to really suffer because now a lot of people are just gonna wait for FNR4, especially since they don't even have any new gameplay videos or details about PF. It's just a shame the way PF has been marketed and i hope 2K learns from this after sales go in the toilet.

Yea... you gotta wonder what is going on in their mind to not promote their products.
Are they not affiliated with GTA? I mean if so then there is no excuse in my book.
I've tried to help them through with excuses in the past, but that has gotten old.
I mean 2ksports have a website that they don't use to its fullest extent. If TV ads are too much what does it cost to use their own website. :lol:

The game looks like it might be nice, but I wonder is this an arcade version of boxing or simulation. In Fight Night the guy would go down like he was out all the time. There were no variations where the guy goes down on the ropes, down on his rear, etc... It was always down and almost out.

I don't care for exaggerated punches either. I want to control the corner crew and I want better battered faces then what I've seen in Fight Night.

Will be interesting to see.

[Higgus]

higgus now that's a stretch isn't it since you don't know what i believe? i'll say it again... in my neighborhood, workplace, church and family... there is a mix of blacks and whites and racism doesn't exist (that i know of).
yeah i'm joking. i joke about racist people to mock them. racist people may be dumb, but they're stupid as well.