Is there any way to make defenders who don't suck in man coverage?

[wEEman33]

I made a gold CB today, modeled after D.J. Moore, the all-SEC cornerback at Vanderbilt.

His stats: 5-10, 175 (speed burner, quick feet, return specialist, coverage bonus, ball hawk)

Frankly, he's no better than the bronze CB with quick feet on my Titans team (Cortland Finnegan).

I matched Moore up against silver WR Bobby Mitchell and it is ridiculous how badly he was getting beat. On double moves, he would overrun the first move so that there would be about 10-15 of separation between him and Mitchell (no exaggeration) by the time Mitchell came out of the final cut. On simple slants, drags, anything over the middle, he would basically "hesitate" for a few seconds before "starting up" and giving chase, several steps behind the WR; even when I shaded him to the inside, this still happened. Outside routes produced similar results.

So my question is, is there anything that I'm missing which makes man on man coverage a legitimate option in this game?

[nflhitman]

Closing speed, Quick Feet, Speed Burner, Hops, Coverage Bonus is what you need.

[Reed#20]

You can put all the abilities together you want, the problem isn't with the abilities. The problem is the mechanics and coverage technique. All these guys are doing is getting out in front of the WR and running his route rather than feeling for where he is going.

[J_Frank]

Yep......

Make 5 ability safeties and you'll lock down the pass.



,peace

[JHova1982]

dont listen to reed there is nothing wrong with the mechanics. whether u playing man or zone coverage, its means nothing for your defense if u dont get pressure on the qb. im a bears fan and we like to get pressure from our front 4, but i also like the mentality of eagles, ravens, and pittsburgh in blitzing. they dont allow your qb to sit in the pocket and make good decisions.

i dont know if u fall under this category but alot online players just like using there front 4, and im not saying there nothing wrong with but u better have some legends pass rushers. if u come out with a all generic front line then u cant complain that u getting beat in man or zone.

man coverage is not suppose to be the best defense or the only way to slow teams down regardless of who u have at CB,S,MLB whatever. its so many example in real life the aspect of letting the qb do what he wants in that pocket.

[Reed#20]

dont listen to reed there is nothing wrong with the mechanics. whether u playing man or zone coverage, its means nothing for your defense if u dont get pressure on the qb. im a bears fan and we like to get pressure from our front 4, but i also like the mentality of eagles, ravens, and pittsburgh in blitzing. they dont allow your qb to sit in the pocket and make good decisions.

i dont know if u fall under this category but alot online players just like using there front 4, and im not saying there nothing wrong with but u better have some legends pass rushers. if u come out with a all generic front line then u cant complain that u getting beat in man or zone.

man coverage is not suppose to be the best defense or the only way to slow teams down regardless of who u have at CB,S,MLB whatever. its so many example in real life the aspect of letting the qb do what he wants in that pocket.


No one is saying what is supposed to be the best defense ect. and given what you have been doing in other threads, I'm not going to waste my time with you here. I will say you are correct about one thing and that is getting pressure on the QB, but you are dead wrong about there not being a technique/mechanics problem. But of course, to your credit, if you get to the QB it's not a problem you need to or have to worry about. But if you do not, you will see it over and over again.

[nyknicks33]

dont listen to reed there is nothing wrong with the mechanics.


:rolleyes: If you are serious about this statement, then you are a skilled, accomplished liar who needs to quit whatever it is that you are doing, and run for political office immediatley.


Everyone who has played this game has seen the litany of coverage issues that rear its ugly head-from the very best players on this forum, to the average joe schmoe. There is no need to get into them here, they've been re-hashed a thousand times.

Tell me something..If man defense isnt a "ideal" defense to play (and really, that depends on scheme/personnel more then anything else.) Why would I ever waste a pick on bump and run corners (sorry to get on my soap box on this again, for those who have heard it :) ), and why would I ever call any type of man coverage at all.


Someone's best chance to play anything resembling good pass defense in this game is to learn how to play a LB or safety position, learn route and play calling tendencies, and hope that whoever they have on their D-line can cause some havoc.

Anyone who relies on their blitzers to do their job consistantly should get absolutely torched by anyone who has any idea as to what they are doing. The blitzes are instantly reconizable and arent explosive enough on a consistant basis.

You cannot play a Jimmy Johnson, Rex Ryan type defensive scheme in this game. You'll either get gashed on the ground or expose your DB's to torchings all over the field.

[Numbski]

What he said. That's pretty much it, exactly.

[nyknicks33]

What he said. That's pretty much it, exactly.



Hey man, its a shame our game conked out :( i was enjoying the challenge of your D!


Hopefully we can run one again soon.

[greekstile]

Those double move routes take a bit of time to develop. They are effective against man coverage, but exactly like everyone says, you should have gotten to the QB by the time the WR has had a chance ot run his route. No DB in any game or real life for the matter, can keep up with a WR running double routes forever.

[J_Frank]

I like the comment that was made and it makes so much sense.


In order to be a good pass defender you have to manually be able to control an Lb or safety.
I control an Lb and lock the Te and ANY passes in the middle down.


Wreck1WreckAll , controls a safety and he locks down all of the corner and slant passes.


So I really realized right now that the best players control their Lbs and Safeties manually




,peace

[illmatic32]

haha..If you want a good Cb give him this.. (quick feet,coverage,hops,looseball magnet,speed burner).. If you give him looseball magnet he will get tons of picks for you..Or you can take that out and him him closing speed also.Ball hawk makes them suck..Its the worst ability in the game..

[illmatic32]

Yep..I've been telling people that for so long but people think I'm dumb...I use my strong safety and I cover the deep pass,middle, and TE..Its hard to get used to but if you strafe you are a monster..

[J_Frank]

haha..If you want a good Cb give him this.. (quick feet,coverage,hops,looseball magnet,speed burner).. If you give him looseball magnet he will get tons of picks for you..Or you can take that out and him him closing speed also.Ball hawk makes them suck..Its the worst ability in the game..


BallHawk.....?


You think so, Ronnie Lott and Woodson are the best Int machines in the game. They have Ball Hawk and Loose Ball Magnet.


Personally I would make my safeties like this


Ball Hawk, Closing Speed, Footsteps,Run Reader, Loose Ball Magnet


,peace

[illmatic32]

If you want a beastly safety..Give him these abilites but they will only work if he is tall and strong.. Ex: Adrian Wilson.. I gave him this quick feet,hops,coverage,run reader,stamina bonus.. The only reason Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson are good is cause they are legends..But they are horrible in coverage..Rod Wodd son acant cover one on one deep..And Ronnie gets turned on zones..Its the ball hawk it makes they do dumb animations kind of like how Lem Barney, Charlie Waters, Terry McDaniel..just dont give it to them..lol

[nyknicks33]

Isnt it a little disappointing, that we have a game with the best players to play their respective positions, yet CAPS need to be created in order to get something resembling competent CB play?

I was playing LankyLegz the other night, and I watched with utter amazement as Night Train Lane, just stood and watched as Jerry Rice ran by him in basic cover 3 coverage.

This wasnt no fade pass vs. press man, no help over the top coverage.

He didnt even ATTEMPT to cover him. Rice just zoomed by on a straight line and 'Train just went into a reach animation AFTER the man sprinted right by him. Sheesh.

[Reed#20]

Isnt it a little disappointing, that we have a game with the best players to play their respective positions, yet CAPS need to be created in order to get something resembling competent CB play?

I was playing LankyLegz the other night, and I watched with utter amazement as Night Train Lane, just stood and watched as Jerry Rice ran by him in basic cover 3 coverage.

This wasnt no fade pass vs. press man, no help over the top coverage.

He didnt even ATTEMPT to cover him. Rice just zoomed by on a straight line and 'Train just went into a reach animation AFTER the man sprinted right by him. Sheesh.


To be honest with you, I don't think they tested all the plays in this game and some of them are pretty friggin buggy. There is one formation on offense that is soo messed up it's unreal. Empty formation, I believe it is Flip Triple Open. You motion the TE and he will line up between the Guard and the TAckle LOL. And you won't get called for Illegal formation or anything.

[Valdarez]

Ball hawk makes them suck..Its the worst ability in the game.You couldn't be more wrong. Ball Hawk is the #1 best ability for an coverage player as it's the #1 ability that directly affects the number of INTs. I make sure every DB has this attribute, and I have one of the higher INT ratios on the game.

[nyknicks33]

To be honest with you, I don't think they tested all the plays in this game and some of them are pretty friggin buggy. There is one formation on offense that is soo messed up it's unreal. Empty formation, I believe it is Flip Triple Open. You motion the TE and he will line up between the Guard and the TAckle LOL. And you won't get called for Illegal formation or anything.

I found some during playing the other day..in the pro set with backs and blockers going the wrong way.

[illmatic32]

Whatever I think it sucks b/c people do dumb animations..I use coverage and quick feet, adn loose ball magnet and get tons of pics a gm...

[nyknicks33]

Whatever I think it sucks b/c people do dumb animations..I use coverage and quick feet, adn loose ball magnet and get tons of pics a gm...


I'd like to cast a vote for closing speed. It basically serves as a "catch up speed" attribute.

Lem Barney is the only DB who I see make up ground while the ball is in the air.

[J_Frank]

I'd like to cast a vote for closing speed. It basically serves as a "catch up speed" attribute.

Lem Barney is the only DB who I see make up ground while the ball is in the air.


Correct!

I personally feel Lem Barney is the best cb in the game out of any tier.

He's the ONLY cb that I trust to leave in man, he's gets burnt sure but overall to me he is the best cb.


I will also + that vote for Closing speed, I made a Bronze Lb with closing speed and it's amazing how he can even keep up with Wr like "The Rocket", and on the TE post he stride for stride with any TE.

Closing speed is an amazing tribute, and while it might not be the best for a cb covering a wr I feel that for Lbs and Safeties closing speed is the best attribute

,peace

[nyknicks33]

Correct!

I personally feel Lem Barney is the best cb in the game out of any tier.

He's the ONLY cb that I trust to leave in man, he's gets burnt sure but overall to me he is the best cb.


I will also + that vote for Closing speed, I made a Bronze Lb with closing speed and it's amazing how he can even keep up with Wr like "The Rocket", and on the TE post he stride for stride with any TE.

Closing speed is an amazing tribute, and while it might not be the best for a cb covering a wr I feel that for Lbs and Safeties closing speed is the best attribute

,peace


Yup, its criminal more of them dont have that attribute. I slap closing speed on bronze CAP DB's (stole this idea from boffa :thumbsup: )..and they do pretty well. YOu dont want to leave any bronze CB on an island very often, but in zones..they actually TRACK THE FOOTBALL. Recovery speed is a vital aspect of DB play.

[Reed#20]

Yup, its criminal more of them dont have that attribute. I slap closing speed on bronze CAP DB's (stole this idea from boffa :thumbsup: )..and they do pretty well. YOu dont want to leave any bronze CB on an island very often, but in zones..they actually TRACK THE FOOTBALL. Recovery speed is a vital aspect of DB play.


Closing speed should be an ability of linebackers and pass rushers too. The great ones may not time well in the 40 but their closing speed on the football is insane. Anyways, 2k should be ashamed of some things. I got an INT and had my CB at least 8 yards out in front and got walked down by an offensive lineman. Are you kidding me? An Olineman with closing speed but defenders do not have it whatever 2k, whatever.

[wEEman33]

2K definitely gave defenders some kind of ridiculous catch up logic in this game.

People get caught from behind a lot more often than they should.