Rating: Abuses Exploits. Reason? Won't kick off to Mackey.

[Numbski]

Wow. I'm at a loss for words. Just played the typical "I'm going to throw to my star TE no matter what you do" type. I won't name names. He accused me of intentionally lagging (right...), and apparently the thing that put him over the edge, aside from 4 INT's and losing 37-14, was that I refused to kick off to Mackey. I moved my arrow as far to one side as possible and kicked it as hard as possible. Not a corner kick, not a bouncer....a straight line drive out of bounds, inside the 20. He could have the ball at the 40 all game, but I wasn't going to let Mackey touch the thing.

So that's abusing an exploit. Just thought I'd let everyone know that. Kicking out of bounds, taking a 20 yard penalty is an exploit.

[nyknicks33]

Wow. I'm at a loss for words. Just played the typical "I'm going to throw to my star TE no matter what you do" type. I won't name names. He accused me of intentionally lagging (right...), and apparently the thing that put him over the edge, aside from 4 INT's and losing 37-14, was that I refused to kick off to Mackey. I moved my arrow as far to one side as possible and kicked it as hard as possible. Not a corner kick, not a bouncer....a straight line drive out of bounds, inside the 20. He could have the ball at the 40 all game, but I wasn't going to let Mackey touch the thing.

So that's abusing an exploit. Just thought I'd let everyone know that. Kicking out of bounds, taking a 20 yard penalty is an exploit.

Well, I was called a homosexual slur because I am using a legend kicker and am now actually getting touchbacks...and forcing a ;long field as much as possible.


This game spoils a lot of people..thats really the bottom line. when you take away someones money option, or take a guy out of his comfort zone by blitzing the crap out of them...some dudes are going to cry.

[MINATAURO]

Wow. I'm at a loss for words. Just played the typical "I'm going to throw to my star TE no matter what you do" type. I won't name names. He accused me of intentionally lagging (right...), and apparently the thing that put him over the edge, aside from 4 INT's and losing 37-14, was that I refused to kick off to Mackey. I moved my arrow as far to one side as possible and kicked it as hard as possible. Not a corner kick, not a bouncer....a straight line drive out of bounds, inside the 20. He could have the ball at the 40 all game, but I wasn't going to let Mackey touch the thing.

So that's abusing an exploit. Just thought I'd let everyone know that. Kicking out of bounds, taking a 20 yard penalty is an exploit.
WOW why the heck wouldn't you want the ball at the 40? He's probably just mad cause he got spanked.

[totalownership]

When someone intentionally kicks out of bounds I laugh because I can hear the other guy "F' this, he's not burning with this guy anymore. I'll take the 40". But in no way do I see that as a negative rating thing. Not even close.

[Big M]

It's a little odd seeing someone kick it out of bounds everytime, but why whine about getting it at the 40? Odds are he'd only get past the 40 once if at all if Mackey was actually able to return. He was just a sore loser.

[Gunther]

It cracks me up when people think its a disadvantage to get the ball at the 40 rather than return it. Shows you how out of whack the kick returning is. Especially in leagues where running is pre-patch.

Dont worry about it Numbski anyone worth playing knows you are a good player. You are getting scary good with your generics.

[JHova1982]

yeah numbski u put up 37 with your offensive lineup is astounding and u doing your thang and keep representing unique teams setup.

on the topic tho, dude was a sore loser for not taking it on the 40, and u fuel it harder by shutting his offense. some people are just straight *****s but let them be *****s and just pound your defense on them harder. got no sympathy for skirts on field

[soleshark]

anytime on this game if you beat someone & stop their
money plays 9 out of 10 times you will get a NEG FB!!!!
its sad

[bigj79]

Don't trip Numbski. What you did was smart football, especially if you knew Mackey could be dangerous on kick returns. Make people use their heads. That's what most people DON'T want to do when playing this game. They don't want to apply the knowledge.

[Numbski]

Dont worry about it Numbski anyone worth playing knows you are a good player. You are getting scary good with your generics.

I appreciate someone acknowledging that. You don't know how badly I want to rip my hair out sometimes, with as much talent on defense as I have, and to see it blow to bits by tosses to Coates or Rice in Man+X coverage. I vented on Amid here a bit ago because I just get stupified at how unbalanced this game really is at times. 9 stars on defense - I'm sorry, some people feel entitled to fling it out there to their gold star WR's, or gold HB's in the flats. I feel (rightfully) entitled to utterly stunt your offense unless you find an open man, or fake me into guessing the wrong hole on a running play. Flinging the ball blindly to someone over and over again because they have a gold star under them does not an offensive gameplan make.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I *MUST* throw to the open man because of the way I build my team, but still.

[Numbski]

Case in point. I play BlackVivaldi because he's constantly yapping at me about how badly I suck. I shut him down, EASILY in the red zone. He runs hurry up from 3rd to 4th down to keep his stars on the field. I call timeout. It's Goal to Go, 4th and 26. Think about that for a moment. He doesn't make any reads, he just lobs it out there to Jerry Rice, who, of course, pulls it down in coverage.

Someone, please tell me what the freaking point is of fielding a defense AT ALL, if that's all this game boils down to. I guarantee you, no thought went into that play call. No scrutiny went into his reads. It's a no brainer. It's Rice, he'll catch it. Doesn't matter who is covering him, or where on the field he is. Doesn't matter how many stars I put out there. Drop back, throw it, and he'll catch it.

It just makes me lose all faith in this game at all. I'm called, garbage, cheese, you name it. I'm mocked because "my defense sucks". I'm mocked further, because, well, my offense sucks, but that at least is by design. I'm rated as one of the worst players online - and yet I'm the one that frets, gets frustrated, and TRIES to make some sanity out of it.

I feel like I've been ripped off $60 and countless hours of my life, because quite frankly, the griefers will always win, and if I try to play an honest game, and build a team that looks like it would be fun to play with, that team will always, ALWAYS fail unless I want to make up a track meet team, and be just like everyone else. Maybe I will. I'll just throw together:

Jerry Rice
Earl Campbell

Randall Cunningham
Ben Coates
Don Maynard

Dwight Clark
doesn't matter
no really
doesn't matter at all
because in the end
only offense matters

That team would go on a winning streak with ease. Just call deep outs every play and give Earl his token carries. Probably be in the top 5 by next week. You all know it's true too.

[I.C.D.N.V.N.U.]

Case in point. I play BlackVivaldi because he's constantly yapping at me about how badly I suck. I shut him down, EASILY in the red zone. He runs hurry up from 3rd to 4th down to keep his stars on the field. I call timeout. It's Goal to Go, 4th and 26. Think about that for a moment. He doesn't make any reads, he just lobs it out there to Jerry Rice, who, of course, pulls it down in coverage.

Someone, please tell me what the freaking point is of fielding a defense AT ALL, if that's all this game boils down to. I guarantee you, no thought went into that play call. No scrutiny went into his reads. It's a no brainer. It's Rice, he'll catch it. Doesn't matter who is covering him, or where on the field he is. Doesn't matter how many stars I put out there. Drop back, throw it, and he'll catch it.

It just makes me lose all faith in this game at all. I'm called, garbage, cheese, you name it. I'm mocked because "my defense sucks". I'm mocked further, because, well, my offense sucks, but that at least is by design. I'm rated as one of the worst players online - and yet I'm the one that frets, gets frustrated, and TRIES to make some sanity out of it.

I feel like I've been ripped off $60 and countless hours of my life, because quite frankly, the griefers will always win, and if I try to play an honest game, and build a team that looks like it would be fun to play with, that team will always, ALWAYS fail unless I want to make up a track meet team, and be just like everyone else. Maybe I will. I'll just throw together:

Jerry Rice
Earl Campbell

Randall Cunningham
Ben Coates
Don Maynard

Dwight Clark
doesn't matter
no really
doesn't matter at all
because in the end
only offense matters

That team would go on a winning streak with ease. Just call deep outs every play and give Earl his token carries. Probably be in the top 5 by next week. You all know it's true too.

Very well said.

[nyknicks33]

I appreciate someone acknowledging that. You don't know how badly I want to rip my hair out sometimes, with as much talent on defense as I have, and to see it blow to bits by tosses to Coates or Rice in Man+X coverage. I vented on Amid here a bit ago because I just get stupified at how unbalanced this game really is at times. 9 stars on defense - I'm sorry, some people feel entitled to fling it out there to their gold star WR's, or gold HB's in the flats. I feel (rightfully) entitled to utterly stunt your offense unless you find an open man, or fake me into guessing the wrong hole on a running play. Flinging the ball blindly to someone over and over again because they have a gold star under them does not an offensive gameplan make.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I *MUST* throw to the open man because of the way I build my team, but still.


ya Numbski, you're cool man. I hardly think you "suck"

The thing is, virtually everyone plays defense in this game the same way for a very good reason.

There are only a handful of play calls that are reliable and reasonably do what they are designed to do, so what people tend to do is call those plays repeatedly and make hot adjustments.

Hardly anyone blitzes....and if they do, the had best be doing it manually in order to ensure that the speed and path taken to the QB is up to snuff.

The bump buster reciever tends to win his battle more then bump master CB..so you see very little man to man coverage in general.

What this creates is a game of hoping you score enough to force your opponent into doing something stupid..or hope that you have the ball last in a 1 posession game.


But on the flip side, my games tend to be close, reasonable scoring affairs..mainly due to my team design.

My last game was against Gunther who won 14-7..and I have your standard "6 guys on D , 4 on O and a kicker" team

[Oldkingsman]

Case in point. I play BlackVivaldi because he's constantly yapping at me about how badly I suck. I shut him down, EASILY in the red zone. He runs hurry up from 3rd to 4th down to keep his stars on the field. I call timeout. It's Goal to Go, 4th and 26. Think about that for a moment. He doesn't make any reads, he just lobs it out there to Jerry Rice, who, of course, pulls it down in coverage.

Someone, please tell me what the freaking point is of fielding a defense AT ALL, if that's all this game boils down to. I guarantee you, no thought went into that play call. No scrutiny went into his reads. It's a no brainer. It's Rice, he'll catch it. Doesn't matter who is covering him, or where on the field he is. Doesn't matter how many stars I put out there. Drop back, throw it, and he'll catch it.

It just makes me lose all faith in this game at all. I'm called, garbage, cheese, you name it. I'm mocked because "my defense sucks". I'm mocked further, because, well, my offense sucks, but that at least is by design. I'm rated as one of the worst players online - and yet I'm the one that frets, gets frustrated, and TRIES to make some sanity out of it.

I feel like I've been ripped off $60 and countless hours of my life, because quite frankly, the griefers will always win, and if I try to play an honest game, and build a team that looks like it would be fun to play with, that team will always, ALWAYS fail unless I want to make up a track meet team, and be just like everyone else. Maybe I will. I'll just throw together:

Jerry Rice
Earl Campbell

Randall Cunningham
Ben Coates
Don Maynard

Dwight Clark
doesn't matter
no really
doesn't matter at all
because in the end
only offense matters

That team would go on a winning streak with ease. Just call deep outs every play and give Earl his token carries. Probably be in the top 5 by next week. You all know it's true too.Your first mistake was playing that &%#@ talker Black Vivaldi! Second. Playing any team that has Rice on it for the reasons above. I know someone will come along and say they shut Rice down everyday all day ( most likely a Rice user) but the fact is Rice is the poster boy for this game and they made him a god!

You can double him, you can bring saftey help...go ahead! At some point though, he will catch the ball no matter what you do. He is overpowerd! Sorry Numbski. Thats the way the ball bounces.

[JHova1982]

Case in point. I play BlackVivaldi because he's constantly yapping at me about how badly I suck. I shut him down, EASILY in the red zone. He runs hurry up from 3rd to 4th down to keep his stars on the field. I call timeout. It's Goal to Go, 4th and 26. Think about that for a moment. He doesn't make any reads, he just lobs it out there to Jerry Rice, who, of course, pulls it down in coverage.

Someone, please tell me what the freaking point is of fielding a defense AT ALL, if that's all this game boils down to. I guarantee you, no thought went into that play call. No scrutiny went into his reads. It's a no brainer. It's Rice, he'll catch it. Doesn't matter who is covering him, or where on the field he is. Doesn't matter how many stars I put out there. Drop back, throw it, and he'll catch it.

It just makes me lose all faith in this game at all. I'm called, garbage, cheese, you name it. I'm mocked because "my defense sucks". I'm mocked further, because, well, my offense sucks, but that at least is by design. I'm rated as one of the worst players online - and yet I'm the one that frets, gets frustrated, and TRIES to make some sanity out of it.

I feel like I've been ripped off $60 and countless hours of my life, because quite frankly, the griefers will always win, and if I try to play an honest game, and build a team that looks like it would be fun to play with, that team will always, ALWAYS fail unless I want to make up a track meet team, and be just like everyone else. Maybe I will. I'll just throw together:

Jerry Rice
Earl Campbell

Randall Cunningham
Ben Coates
Don Maynard

Dwight Clark
doesn't matter
no really
doesn't matter at all
because in the end
only offense matters

That team would go on a winning streak with ease. Just call deep outs every play and give Earl his token carries. Probably be in the top 5 by next week. You all know it's true too.

now numbski I respect your uniqueness but since I just played u I have to say your defense was too predictable
and at least against me I saw maybe 4 plays and majority was definitely man coverages. my first touchdown was made by Fryzel, my gen Wr against a gen CB or safety, cause of me analyzing the field with my formation while I was running with emmitt smith and then I ran that play where my gen would run a streak route

I knew the play would work cause there was no safety help whatsoever with that play and adjustments u was doing and I was just hoping he would catch it

if u add a lot more variety with zone and coverages your defense would be even deadlier. I enjoy a challenge and I believe I am in the top ranks in defense on 2k8 and this is no disrespect toward u but with your team setup of offense right now I can't see u scoring more than 17 points against me but if u expand your d I can't see me scoring 17 points

[kod68]

Flinging the ball blindly to someone over and over again because they have a gold star under them does not an offensive gameplan make

I've played several games in a row recently where the QB just runs back, wheels around and HIGH lobs in one complete motion for a completion even though I have 3 guys on the receiver. WTH? Kosar seems like he was built for this.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Use some zone with that defense. Just because you have the players to play man doesn't mean you should do it 100% of the time. I gave up on man day one in this game. I use to play 2 man defense 100% of the time in 2k5 and never really got burnt by doing so, in 2k8 there are too many man busting plays not only that corners do some dumb **** sometimes hence why I only use bronze corners now no point in seeing Willie Brown get bounced around by John Slow *** Taylor. That way if my bronze corner make a play I'm pleasantly surprised but if they get beat by rice or some random silver wr than o well.

[JHova1982]

Use some zone with that defense. Just because you have the players to play man doesn't mean you should do it 100% of the time. I gave up on man day one in this game. I use to play 2 man defense 100% of the time in 2k5 and never really got burnt by doing so, in 2k8 there are too many man busting plays not only that corners do some dumb **** sometimes hence why I only use bronze corners now no point in seeing Willie Brown get bounced around by John Slow *** Taylor. That way if my bronze corner make a play I'm pleasantly surprised but if they get beat by rice or some random silver wr than o well.

thats why i feel its the best defense so far in a football game in the age of simulation sports cause u cant just run a 3-play defensive strategy and think u doing something defensively and can stop everybody. you have to have a sound strategy, a defensive identity, and build your strategy with the right personal and playbook but thats only if u want to play true defense and thats means defending the pass and stopping or at least slowing down the run.

oh yeah allow your defensive players to make mistakes, even the costly ones, thats why i dont worry about the focus bug everybody say is game changing. i dont see it deteriorating my defense and i know i run zones.

[Gunther]

Case in point. I play BlackVivaldi because he's constantly yapping at me about how badly I suck. I shut him down, EASILY in the red zone. He runs hurry up from 3rd to 4th down to keep his stars on the field. I call timeout. It's Goal to Go, 4th and 26. Think about that for a moment. He doesn't make any reads, he just lobs it out there to Jerry Rice, who, of course, pulls it down in coverage.


Well there really isnt a lot of strategy on 4th and 26.... :( The offense has very few options and the D knows it. That just the way it is. If the guy has Ben Coates or Jerry Rice you can know that the is going to try and go there. If you cover it and it still works well thats bad luck and it does happen even in real life. It amazes me how often I will end up 3rd and 15 or more and the guy will come out in just a standard D and not even give rice any special attention. Im like wtf thanks!

[nyknicks33]

thats why i feel its the best defense so far in a football game in the age of simulation sports cause u cant just run a 3-play defensive strategy and think u doing something defensively and can stop everybody. you have to have a sound strategy, a defensive identity, and build your strategy with the right personal and playbook but thats only if u want to play true defense and thats means defending the pass and stopping or at least slowing down the run.

oh yeah allow your defensive players to make mistakes, even the costly ones, thats why i dont worry about the focus bug everybody say is game changing. i dont see it deteriorating my defense and i know i run zones.


This is exactly the point I made in my earlier post. EVERYONE plays defense in this game the exact same way. Zone, zon and more zone..with hot reads thrown in behind those zones. Regardless of personnel.

Why? Because man coverage, by and large sucks..unless you have a major personeel mismatch, and even then, you'll se night train lane space out for no reasonable reason against Dwight Clark.


There is no such thing as a creative defensive scheme in this game..just how creative you want to be with your personel, how good you are at user control with your one player, and how good you are at disguising the basic zone plays that everyone uses that work consistantly with hot adjustments.

i'm probably one of the few people who run a base 3-4 and use a gold DT..but that works for me..and it took a ton of trial of error for me to develop a 3-4 D that I want to play...because of the defensive shortcomings in this game.

I'm now quite good at it, but it still isnt how I really want to play it- unleashing my pass rush bonus LB's virtually every play-because this game simply does not allow you to play that way.

[Numbski]

^^^

Exactly. When this game came out, if you had asked me how I wanted to build my team, it was really simple. I wanted a base 4-3, control the run, solid linebackers, and a VERY good Fullback to plow a road for a faster halfback. That team build will always fail in this game, because (almost) no one is that committed to a running game to make a stacked linebacking corp worthwhile. I can almost do my running game with the two picks I spend on offense, but I don't dare run a 4-3. I can't remember the last time I even considered picking a 4-3 play, or nickel. Bear? Nope. I will sometimes go 3-3 Nickel or even 3-4 once in a while. 5-3 in goal-to-go and that's it. Defensive creativity is very much stymied. I do run man most of the time, but then again, look at my personnel. I have been trying to mix more zone in, but unlike you guys, what I found was that zone defense has a bunch of guys standing around in their pretty little circles and not flying to the ball. In man, it seems like the pursuit by surrounding players is a bit better. Once the ball is in the air or a run is read, everyone flies to the ballcarrier, which is what I want to see.

[nyknicks33]

The thing about majority man coverage, is that in order to maintain your sanity, you better be controling a LB, preferably the MLB.

Otherwise, you get the pleasure of seeing your LB sit and wait for the HB to take about 5 steps before deciding to say "Hey, I think I'll run after him now."

[JHova1982]

This is exactly the point I made in my earlier post. EVERYONE plays defense in this game the exact same way. Zone, zon and more zone..with hot reads thrown in behind those zones. Regardless of personnel.

Why? Because man coverage, by and large sucks..unless you have a major personeel mismatch, and even then, you'll se night train lane space out for no reasonable reason against Dwight Clark.


There is no such thing as a creative defensive scheme in this game..just how creative you want to be with your personel, how good you are at user control with your one player, and how good you are at disguising the basic zone plays that everyone uses that work consistantly with hot adjustments.

i'm probably one of the few people who run a base 3-4 and use a gold DT..but that works for me..and it took a ton of trial of error for me to develop a 3-4 D that I want to play...because of the defensive shortcomings in this game.

I'm now quite good at it, but it still isnt how I really want to play it- unleashing my pass rush bonus LB's virtually every play-because this game simply does not allow you to play that way.

well its not the fact man coverage sucks but its the fact that man coverage cant stop every play and thats what people is looking for. if u 4th and 20 and someone come out in a pro set and u come out it man coverage and does no adjustments, where is the hole in the defense? The middle of the field and im sure jerry rice and james lofton are more than capable of making that play regardless on who guarding him(any tiers) cause u got your 2 of your defensive players worrying about the running and the fullback is doing(lol...come one). but if u come out in a nickel cover 12 or cover 4 where is the hole at? the flats and the quick corner outs and everyother spot is defending with help whether its to deflect the pass or make the tackle before he reach the first down mark and dont care what the fullback and RB is doing.

i mean zone coverage are the most run in the NFL. Pats, Colts, Bears, Cowboys, all weak teams run zone coverages(includes zone blitzes) majority of there plays cause its help defense and it allows to take away a certain option on the field

i have a gold DT too but i run a 4-3 offense cause i never liked the 3-4 scheme not just in this game but in madden and 2k5 as well. i try to get pressure on the QB but im not talking about sacks. its been game where my Gold DT only got one sacks but i still won by 2 or 3 touchdowns

[JHova1982]

^^^

Exactly. When this game came out, if you had asked me how I wanted to build my team, it was really simple. I wanted a base 4-3, control the run, solid linebackers, and a VERY good Fullback to plow a road for a faster halfback. That team build will always fail in this game, because (almost) no one is that committed to a running game to make a stacked linebacking corp worthwhile. I can almost do my running game with the two picks I spend on offense, but I don't dare run a 4-3. I can't remember the last time I even considered picking a 4-3 play, or nickel. Bear? Nope. I will sometimes go 3-3 Nickel or even 3-4 once in a while. 5-3 in goal-to-go and that's it. Defensive creativity is very much stymied. I do run man most of the time, but then again, look at my personnel. I have been trying to mix more zone in, but unlike you guys, what I found was that zone defense has a bunch of guys standing around in their pretty little circles and not flying to the ball. In man, it seems like the pursuit by surrounding players is a bit better. Once the ball is in the air or a run is read, everyone flies to the ballcarrier, which is what I want to see.

you fell to the norm numbski, you start worrying about other people teams setup than building and making your earlier team setup build better. that defensive setup u saw on the field when we played i have had since mid-August. now personnel has changed from from august but the the build is the same. i been very successfully with my build cause i practice with team in loose and tight situation, i was rank #36 before the reset in the beginning of the year, have a 91% feedback cause i do play straight up football unless u cheese so much in the game i got no choice but to cheese back(i fight fire with fire), and a green smiley face.

ive played all team build on offense u can probably think of. jerry and james lofton with maynard(beat). randell, maynard, coates, rice(beat), shannon sharpe and mike ditka with maynard(beat) and most of time but not all the time i have held them to 21 points and i also got my fair share of loses too against the team build but i take what i messed up in that game and improve on that for the next game

[nyknicks33]

well its not the fact man coverage sucks but its the fact that man coverage cant stop every play and thats what people is looking for. if u 4th and 20 and someone come out in a pro set and u come out it man coverage and does no adjustments, where is the hole in the defense? The middle of the field and im sure jerry rice and james lofton are more than capable of making that play regardless on who guarding him(any tiers) cause u got your 2 of your defensive players worrying about the running and the fullback is doing(lol...come one). but if u come out in a nickel cover 12 or cover 4 where is the hole at? the flats and the quick corner outs and everyother spot is defending with help whether its to deflect the pass or make the tackle before he reach the first down mark and dont care what the fullback and RB is doing.

zone coverage are the most run in the NFL. Pats, Colts, Bears, Cowboys, all weak teams run zone coverages(includes zone blitzes) majority of there plays cause its help defense and it allows to take away a certain option on the field

i have a gold DT too but i run a 4-3 offense cause i never liked the 3-4 scheme not just in this game but in madden and 2k5 as well. i try to get pressure on the QB but im not talking about sacks. its been game where my Gold DT only got one sacks but i still won by 2 or 3 touchdowns


No one has ever said, at anytime that man coverage should be expected to stop everything.

The point that numbksi and I were discussing is that you absolutely CANNOT run the type of scheme that the teams that you just mentioned run..in this game.. with the base plays.

Try playing a Tampa 2 style defense sometime. Ive seen exactly 2 people who are able to do it. It is very difficult.

These are the defenses that are played 95% of the time in this game.

2-man
2-Man Bump
Base Cover 2 soft
Base Cover 3
Base Cover4
Base Cover 12

In the NFL, teams zone blitz out of these looks, disguise them, and run a lot of combo coverages. In this game, those plays are useless, because the blitzes are largely ineffective, and the coverage has a very good chance to break down behind you because your blitzer rarely has a chnce to hurry the QB into a quick throw.

This is why no one blitzes.

When I blitz, I bring it manually because that is the best chance I have of having the blitz effect the play, in the way I want it to.

In this game if you want to do anything resembling that, you are best served doing it out of the basic zones that I just listed...and bringing the heat yourself.

This is the only way Ive gotten a pressure 3-4 scheme to work somewhat. Hot adjusting to zone blitz looks, running the gap blitzes, and razor stunts my dang self.


I dont bother with about 80% of the plays in the defensive playbook.

[Numbski]

FYI, I default to controlling a linebacker in man coverage, and pick plays that I can use that linebacker as a jack rather than having an assigment to cow-tow to. That means that my linebacker is completely unaccounted for no matter what scheme the offense brings. Everyone has at least one defender covering him, and if you will, the jack linebacker has the QB, who in most cases stays in the backfield. I have 1-2 safeties back in deep zone, and then I build out from that. The reason I don't play zone is pretty simple - the safeties are preoccupied with something back there. Seriously. Rice will blow right by them, Coates will split not only a cover 2, but a cover 4. The safeties never make any kind of reasonable effort while in a zone package to shut down the deep ball. That means I have to have people following from the line of scrimmage to have even a prayer of making a play. Then if my safeties jump into the play (as they should!) then I have an excellent chance to stop it from going anywhere.

[JHova1982]

No one has ever said, at anytime that man coverage should be expected to stop everything.

The point that numbksi and I were discussing is that you absolutely CANNOT run the type of scheme that the teams that you just mentioned run..in this game.. with the base plays.

Try playing a Tampa 2 style defense sometime. Ive seen exactly 2 people who are able to do it. It is very difficult.

These are the defenses that are played 95% of the time in this game.

2-man
2-Man Bump
Base Cover 2 soft
Base Cover 3
Base Cover4
Base Cover 12

In the NFL, teams zone blitz out of these looks, disguise them, and run a lot of combo coverages. In this game, those plays are useless, because the blitzes are largely ineffective, and the coverage has a very good chance to break down behind you because your blitzer rarely has a chnce to hurry the QB into a quick throw.

This is why no one blitzes.

When I blitz, I bring it manually because that is the best chance I have of having the blitz effect the play, in the way I want it to.

In this game if you want to do anything resembling that, you are best served doing it out of the basic zones that I just listed...and bringing the heat yourself.

This is the only way Ive gotten a pressure 3-4 scheme to work somewhat. Hot adjusting to zone blitz looks, running the gap blitzes, and razor stunts my dang self.


I dont bother with about 80% of the plays in the defensive playbook.

well I don't mess with with majority of the playbook too but not because they don't work its because my team can't run them successfully so why would I come out in something that would my defense at a total disadvantage.

plus u can't blame the game for people not blitzing. people out there with generic dline and just sending 4 people and thinking there vicious bsecondary gone do the job but I don't remember when I lost to someone who had a gen d line. I give u the zone blitz are useless but only because u still sending 4 people so I just call them regular plays so it just better to do hot blitzes out of base zone coverages but people are being too predictable

I let the computer blitz when I assign blitzes so saying everyone needs to do it manually is obsurd. people blitzes but the problem is people run the same blitz play or hot blitz the same person and u can't do that and expect to be successful defensively. when I blitz sometime I blitz greg lloyd and next time I blitz my MLB and I blitz chuck. sometimes I so bold enough to blitz one of my weak safeties but that's rare but the point is that I keep my opponents guessing and hope I made the right call

[JHova1982]

FYI, I default to controlling a linebacker in man coverage, and pick plays that I can use that linebacker as a jack rather than having an assigment to cow-tow to. That means that my linebacker is completely unaccounted for no matter what scheme the offense brings. Everyone has at least one defender covering him, and if you will, the jack linebacker has the QB, who in most cases stays in the backfield. I have 1-2 safeties back in deep zone, and then I build out from that. The reason I don't play zone is pretty simple - the safeties are preoccupied with something back there. Seriously. Rice will blow right by them, Coates will split not only a cover 2, but a cover 4. The safeties never make any kind of reasonable effort while in a zone package to shut down the deep ball. That means I have to have people following from the line of scrimmage to have even a prayer of making a play. Then if my safeties jump into the play (as they should!) then I have an excellent chance to stop it from going anywhere.

I just saying your predictable nature of your defense is your biggest weakness and that's how I was able to score 21 points, even tho that's still good defense but with your offensive setup your defense has to the most dominant of the field. u should be putting fear into all challengers including myself and I was at first but I saw u was predictable then that fear went away and its just came down to patience and execution

people have there preference on who they want to play on and I like to play on MLB, the captain of my D, and I control the middle of field whether im in man or zone coverages and my safeties just to worry about defending there spots on the field. whether your preference is just hold down that spot and your teammates will respond the way u want to them

[nyknicks33]

well I don't mess with with majority of the playbook too but not because they don't work its because my team can't run them successfully so why would I come out in something that would my defense at a total disadvantage.
Makes sense, My 3-4 D revolves around my DT, and OLB's. Different plays for different folks.


plus u can't blame the game for people not blitzing.
Of course I can. If the game hinders me from doing something that is a important part of the type of defense I want to puttogether, that's a problem.

people out there with generic dline and just sending 4 people and thinking there vicious bsecondary gone do the job but I don't remember when I lost to someone who had a gen d line. I give u the zone blitz are useless but only because u still sending 4 people so I just call them regular plays so it just better to do hot blitzes out of base zone coverages but people are being too predictable
The problem with the zone blitzes is that they are very easy to read. Which is why I prefer to hot adjust out of existing zone defenses

I let the computer blitz when I assign blitzes so saying everyone needs to do it manually is obsurd. people blitzes but the problem is people run the same blitz play or hot blitz the same person and u can't do that and expect to be successful defensively. when I blitz sometime I blitz greg lloyd and next time I blitz my MLB and I blitz chuck. sometimes I so bold enough to blitz one of my weak safeties but that's rare but the point is that I keep my opponents guessing and hope I made the right call.

Disagre completely here. If I call 10 blitzes, Im coming manually with one of the blitzers at least 7 of them..and it will not be with the same guy every time I do it. I got fed up with seeing LB's and dime backs take paths that are no where close to what is designed, so I said "too heck with that."..im following that yellow arrow, and charge rip moving anything in my path.



Different ways to skin a cat suppose..I tend have a agressive mindest when it comes to D.

[JHova1982]

Different ways to skin a cat suppose..I tend have a agressive mindest when it comes to D.

u said yourself u averaged like 20 points a game so u do your thang on defense. maybe it took u a while but u got everything under control.

I been good defensively since day one of 2k8 cause my opponents average was first at 20 and now its at 17 points. I always been defensive minded and I see the greatness in 2k8 programming and I try my best to defend it cause I am living proof of a good defensive player