Nhl 09

[RoadDoggFL]

Link (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nhl09/news.html?sid=6192147&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1).

So the gauntlet has once again been thrown down. How will 2K react? Can 2K9 compete?

Cougar, not asking you to spill any beans but does this damper your excitement for 2K9 at all?

[MapleLeaf16]

Sounds cool but I rather just play franchise with real players. Still just getting 2K9!

[b-Dub]

The Be a Pro modes in NHL and FIFA, as well as the Road to the Show mode in MLB The Show are cool features and can add a lot to the games. I used to like creating myself and being on a team. Being able to work my way up and improve would be especially cool. But these days, I just enjoy playing the game with the players that are already there. That's just me, however, and I'm sure plenty of people will really enjoy the Be a Pro mode.

[RoadDoggFL]

The problem I see with it is that the game rates your positioning based on where it thinks you should be. Every player being different, I'd imagine it might punish you for creative play.

Does look interesting, and this new info makes me want to like it more... whether or not I will remains to be determined.

[joker07]

Super New Feature in NHL 09 - Peter Forsberg Skill-Stick aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh its time for change EA sports name ..... EA.SY SPORTS ! ITs in the hole....

[joker07]

Please 2k or VC listen me ! I dont want any "surprise" , I want only NHL and International HOCKEY VIDEO GAME WITH EVERY RULES AND AUTHENTICITY OF THE GAMES ,ARENAS AND PLAYERS . I dont need BE and PRO MODE , I want CREASE RULES when players bodycheck goalies in the crease ... I dont need 6v6 online players , I want online smooth play and online settings pre-game ... I dont need Forsbergs cheats , I want better control of the shooting system and better skill my stick in my hands ... I dont need excellent graphics presentation , I want ice resurfacer (Zamboni) after periods , cameras in the net , coach with assistants on the bench , 4 referees (+1 video judge) , really every penalties on the ice with game misconduct and co.... I WANT COMPLETELY SIMULATION OF HOCKEY GAMES , NOT KINDER SURPRISE !

[RoadDoggFL]

Please 2k or VC listen me ! I dont want any "surprise" , I want only NHL and International HOCKEY VIDEO GAME WITH EVERY RULES AND AUTHENTICITY OF THE GAMES ,ARENAS AND PLAYERS . I dont need BE and PRO MODE , I want CREASE RULES when players bodycheck goalies in the crease ... I dont need 6v6 online players , I want online smooth play and online settings pre-game ... I dont need Forsbergs cheats , I want better control of the shooting system and better skill my stick in my hands ... I dont need excellent graphics presentation , I want ice resurfacer (Zamboni) after periods , cameras in the net , coach with assistants on the bench , 4 referees (+1 video judge) , really every penalties on the ice with game misconduct and co.... I WANT COMPLETELY SIMULATION OF HOCKEY GAMES , NOT KINDER SURPRISE !
Amen to that. Things like my wishlist are all well and good, but a real sim of hockey is paramount. Shoot for 6v6 online, but ship with what you feel comfortable doing solidly. Let players quit multiplayer matches without the whole thing ending. Let players join a game in progress through invites. Maybe add a party system of some kind, but make it solid. If it's not, then maybe next year.

[joker07]

I love NHL 2k8 ONLINE league and offline seasons... I believe that 2k (VC) make not any big mistake with everything change of gameplay 2k8 ! I believe in excellent 2k9 with 2k8 gameplay ! I believe that NHL 2k9 will absolutely different from NHL 09 ! Peace.

[joker07]

Confirmed Dino Phaneuf on the cover..... OK boys , this hockey player is very good in the defense but he is stupid man without puck , too many roughness and too many penalties . Maybe EA do view from the penalty box aaaahhh.... Sorry but If EA represent a new skillstick (copy from the NHL 2k8) Phaneuf its not good represent ...
Welcome to the NHL09 IIIIts MEGA HITS SHOW ON THE ICE with new HIGH STICKING skillstick !

[Savoie06]

The Producers Blog is now up,here's the link
http://www.easports.com/nhl09/news.jsp?itemID=cover

[Savoie06]

More Info Here:
http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=372343&start=0&tstart=0

[Cee_Nasty_00]

Sounds like its going to be a great game.

[joker07]

NHL 09 confirmed (oilersguru Ea.com) arcade play! pasiing system still passing still tape-to-tape and shots still only to the corner....
I love 2K hockey style for hockey gameplay , I believe in best of hockey this year!

[Savoie06]

Joker,if you aren't interested in 09 that's fine,but no need to post your little remarks.

[MapleLeaf16]

Wow, EA isn't sitting back this year. 2K has tons of work to do. If 2K doesn't step up this could be the end!

[Savoie06]

It will be the end,if EA buys out Take Two or the NHL License.Getting rid of Kush was a great start to fixing the 2KHockey series.Now VC just needs to follow in EA's footsteps and rebuild the game in phases.In other words,this year get the basics hammered out and concentrate on one aspect of the game more so than others.Then next year continue fine tuning the basics some and focus mostly on a different aspect of the game,ect,until they get to where EA is or better.The NUMBER 1 thing VC needs to do is read these and other 2KForums and LISTEN to the fans.Then try to implement those things as best they can.

[joker07]

NHL 09 confirmed (oilersguru Ea.com) stupid static still the same play after 2 months of gaming!
Savoie06 listen : The NUMBER 1 thing VC dont needs compare with EA GAMES ! 2K Games its No1 with best games for players (TopSpin,NBA, Bioshock,GTA4...)
2k Rulezzzzzzzzzzz!

[Savoie06]

NHL 09 confirmed (oilersguru Ea.com) stupid static still the same play after 2 months of gaming!
Savoie06 listen : The NUMBER 1 thing VC dont needs compare with EA GAMES ! 2K Games its No1 with best games for players (TopSpin,NBA, Bioshock,GTA4...)
2k Rulezzzzzzzzzzz!
Competition's a good thing.Paying attention to what EA is doing and trying to better it could only be a good thing.What do you think made EA step it up when they moved to next gen?2KHockey of course,but momentum has drastically shifted and it's EA making big strides and VC needs to do what it takes to close the gap.As I said the first thing would be to listen to it's fans and implement what they can the best they can.Please do yourself a favor and lose the fanboy attitude.

[joker07]

OK Savoie06 : I love hockey games , I like NHL08(NHL07) and NHL 2004 maybe NHL 2000 on PC ,I like series 2k3 - 2k8 very much and .... I loved Wayne Gretzky Hockey from 1990 ! (separate defense and offense lines , replays ,2D-3D , NOT TAPE TO TAPE PASSING !
2k hockey games are much much better simulation of hockey than EA games ,sure!
EA Littman said "Its simulation of hockey NHL09 (NHL08,NHL07) " , Im not confirmed this ,because passing TAPE-TO-TAPE and shots to the corner still IN THE GAME! Do you right? 2k has options for this , EA not . Do you like arcade play or simulation of hockey?

[BruinsHockey08]

Joker07: All games have their flaws, and that is NHL 08's flaw, and it has been an issue since NHL 07, I hope they fix the blocker side saves because its to easy to score on (which is why I hardly use it because I feel as if I am cheating if I do). I admit to EA having flaws, but at the same time so does/did 2k with the dynasty freezing issue that used to happen (I have not gotten the NHL 2k series since 2k6, so it may be fixed by now), as a dynasty freak that irratated the heck out of me, because I would build a team but when I finally get to enjoy my work it used to freeze and that was a major issue for me and it really ruined the NHL 2k series for me and I honestly hope that has been fixed.

Now with that said I think the NHL 2k series is still a great game but I think EA's hockey product is a better product than 2k is on the next generation consoles, and I think they are putting in a better effort in their next gen games than 2k has been. With that said however, if 2k comes out and announces a ton of new features or gameplay qualities that intice me I'll plop down 60 bucks for it no problem, in fact I hope for the gamers sake that they do make a great game and give us a tough choice, it would be a win-win if both games get great ratings. That's my two cents on this EA vs. 2k debate

[kingbrehm]

BruinsHockey: I agree with you that EA is putting more effort into their games from a visual aspect; but the 2k gameplay is leaps and bounds ahead of EA, though it needs sliders to get to that perfect sim point. That and 2k has had franchise/dynasty freezes since 2k6 which is completely unnacceptable; but probably brought about VC replacing Kush. The past few years I played the 2k over EA 95% and willing to tolerate the freezing problems just because it was way closer to real hockey over EA's more arcadish style.

[MapleLeaf16]

2K better release something soon because all people are talking about is 09!

[BruinsHockey08]

BruinsHockey: I agree with you that EA is putting more effort into their games from a visual aspect; but the 2k gameplay is leaps and bounds ahead of EA, though it needs sliders to get to that perfect sim point. That and 2k has had franchise/dynasty freezes since 2k6 which is completely unnacceptable; but probably brought about VC replacing Kush. The past few years I played the 2k over EA 95% and willing to tolerate the freezing problems just because it was way closer to real hockey over EA's more arcadish style.

If you are a die hard sim player than yes I can agree with you, but while I like it real, I also realize no hockey game is ever going to gimmick real hockey just very close.

With that said however, I find EA's product a little more fun to play but it still has its annoyances like the easy glove side shot, and the over the top hitting. But with that comes the great innovation of the skill stick, which in itself is great but perhaps maybe to simple to use on the computer defense. Let's compare that to the best innovation 2K has put out (in my opinion) which was the goalie control in 2k6, I loved that feature it made goaltending alot of fun but it wasn't so easy to pick up on which is actually a great thing since new innovations should not be easy to conquer right off the bat.

2k's dynasty mode is alot better than Ea's except for the freezing, if they can fix the freezing, and add AHL into the game that would be my dream since 2k8's dynasty mode looked great. EA has some issues with the dynasty mode in NHL 08, but most notably is when the computer re-signs your players for you, I hate that, nothing more annoying than having the CPU sign players you want to let go.

Another thing I like about 2k is the online leagues, I love how you can trade players and all that, NHL 08 had online leagues but it lacked appeal with me because of no trades and not much customization options included, it just felt so basic. I think NHL 09 will be a huge improvment on that though, if not i'll be throughly disappointed.

[RoadDoggFL]

2K better release something soon because all people are talking about is 09!
Same as last year and the year before. EA's best department is marketing.

[ErikBedard45]

I'm a EA NHL guy but I've played the 2k series in 06 and 07 and to me it didnt feel like a hockey game. The guys didnt play much like their real-life counter parts, I mean I was able to take out Zdeno Chara with Marty St. Louis? I'll say that EA's games do have their faults especially this year when it came to poke checking. Your poke check was the player standing there fishing around with his stick which led to a ton of stupid tripping calls.

[RoadDoggFL]

The game is crap with default sliders.

FYI...

[joker07]

The game is crap with default sliders.

FYI...

Every game is crap without full of settings sliders ! EA needs revamp this . Online leagues from EA , Its a joke.... because EA cleans servers for maintenance ... You begin league with 20 peoples and EA stop you after 1 month... So Warning!
I believe this year (every year I believe) in best EA hockey game NHL 09 ,FIFA 09 ,but Madden 09 its still better product from EA with minimum money situations....
Confirmed in NHL 09 won't see : broken sticks,helmets off , zamboni , dis allowed goal , 4 referees on the ice, milestones, live stats in the game , blood , broken glass, injury from any shoot , more sliders for settings separate human-cpu, penalties after whistle, holding the stick or roughing penalties , pinning , free pucks , missed shots , missed pass , faceoff system ..and ... and ...
I believe too in better NHL 2k9 , maybe EA will better game only with BE PRO ,maybe not....

[FSOTG]

Wow! EA has put bodycheck in the game!!! Is this only for the video or will it be actually in the game???:rotfl:

[Cee_Nasty_00]

Wow! EA has put bodycheck in the game!!! Is this only for the video or will it be actually in the game???:rotfl:
EA is in the game, so its likely just the video.

[Savoie06]

Every game is crap without full of settings sliders ! EA needs revamp this . Online leagues from EA , Its a joke.... because EA cleans servers for maintenance ... You begin league with 20 peoples and EA stop you after 1 month... So Warning!
I believe this year (every year I believe) in best EA hockey game NHL 09 ,FIFA 09 ,but Madden 09 its still better product from EA with minimum money situations....
Confirmed in NHL 09 won't see : broken sticks,helmets off , zamboni , dis allowed goal , 4 referees on the ice, milestones, live stats in the game , blood , broken glass, injury from any shoot , more sliders for settings separate human-cpu, penalties after whistle, holding the stick or roughing penalties , pinning , free pucks , missed shots , missed pass , faceoff system ..and ... and ...
I believe too in better NHL 2k9 , maybe EA will better game only with BE PRO ,maybe not....
Hey Joker,first off learn the facts before you start running off at the mouth.There already was a holding call in NHL 08 which I'm sure will also be in 09,along with roughing penalties,free pucks?(not quite sure what you're getting at here).Missed shots will be there if course if you don't like to crank up the shot accuracy and Live Stats will be in 09 as well.You should read the write up again.Sure some of what you mentioned won't be in the game,but you don't know they will be in 2K9 either so get over it.Though I know your sole purpose is just to try and point out what EA won't have this year.

[FSOTG]

Seriously a post like that really doesn't belong here, if you want to talk about NHL 09 why don't you go on the EA's board? Or maybe in the "Miscellaneous" section.

I think, I'll become a member on EA's forum and make a thread called NHL 2K9, just to see what will happen.

[Savoie06]

Excuse me,the thread is titled NHL 09,therefore it warrants talks of NHL 09.I have nothing bad to say about 2K9 unlike those trashing EA out of pure fanboyism.Post a thread titled 2K9 and while I'm the EA fanboys will trash 2K as well,it really should make no difference to anyone.If you prefer 2K great.I would too if I felt they had the better overall hockey game and I still don't mind a game of 2KHockey.What I don't like,no matter what is people that talk trash about a game and don't even have their facts straight.

[joker07]

free pucks ? Where? In NHL08 ?? Muhahahahahahahhahahahahahaha sorry, tape to tape passing its not free pucks!!! Missed shots ??? Still the same shots ,still the same money goals , still the same game NHL07,NHL08 , easy game for me . Maybe its very hard game for you but its only your problem ! If NHL09 will better than NHL 2k5 so OK . I Will buy both products because Im hockey fan and hockey player (very good hockey player) . EA doing still better ARCADE GAMES for easy players but Littman said: Its simulation of hockey ... sorry David , its not in your games ,its still only in 2k games .

...And penalties.. holding the stick and roughing ?? Please send me any sreenshots from the online game , thank you very much !

[joker07]

Ok so after listening to the pod cast with David Littman probably one of the most intresing things I heard was he doesnt understand and doesnt see how the NHL series has "catch up AI"
Well maybe I can sheed some light on this now his argument is when the computer is down late in a game it plays more agresive thats fair and I can live with that, However as a a gamer and as someone who knows a biit about hockey I know thats coming and I change my style to be more agresive on D I dont just sit back and not expect the computer to try to push for the Tie goal. Here is the issue not only doo they get more agresive but they get super human they get every lose puck magnitecaly sent to there stick on D if you go into a corner full steam and try to hit a guy who is standing in the corner with the puck the CPU will still somehow come up with the puck it my not be intentional but EA gives far to much of an edge to the CPU you actualy are not allowed to get the puck in the last min of the game if your up a goal no matter how much agresion you play on D
Now this is only true on Allstar and superstar as far as I can tell but if you have played this game and you think it is normal that the offensive team can skate circles around the D win every battle and get every bounce and snipe every shot iin the last min then all hope is lost. Seriously its not even debatable that there is some sort of advantage given to make the game more exciting, What I would like to see is the same edge give to the human player so the battles in the corner are more even.

If you watch a NHL game yes the offensive team that needs to catch up normaly has more intensity but the team that knows if they get scored on its going to OT doest just sit back and have a liittle nap sometimes the Defensive team even overpowers the team that needs the goal. I hope this makes sense because it getss to the point where you just dont even care in the last min and you might as well just not even play because you know they are going to score. So I dont know what can be done..? because I do want a chalange from the team as one last ditch effort but I dont want it to feel like I have been taken out of the equation because thats really what it feels like that no matter what you try its a preset destany I mean sometimes your goalie keeps you in it or they hit apost but they still own the last min or two of the game. Just wanted to say something about that I really couldnt beleive you said as someone who plays the game you didnt see it because everyone I know that plays says it and I just cant see it being every person vrs something in the game that needs to be addressed
better? lol

this post is from EA.com forums.... I have one question: Is David serious ?

[FSOTG]

What I don't get is, if you like EA's game so much, why the hell don't you go on their forums and make all the thread you want about their awsome game.

When I go to Bethesda's forum, I don't go to the Oblivion section and start a thread about Fable 2, Final Fantasy or any other RPGs that is coming, or if I were to do it they would put it in off topic or just lock it, as fast as they could.

[Noose#15]

Well, I read the Oilers Guru's post, and it seemed like a bunch of features from 2K hockey,
"
- Separate line changes for forwards and d-men
-retro jerseys in the game
- legendary moves
- Game play quality
- online innovation
- on the fly feedback
- hockey card
- hockey card
- hockey card
- custom soundtracks
Online Team Play
- If a player scores a goal, you'll see a message appear under him: 1st goal of the season. A lot of gamers wanted this feature and we are thrilled to announce that it will be included in this new version.
" All quoted from his post(s)


The be a pro mode sounds kinda annoying, and all they are doing is Marketing, I'll admit Ea has made some good games, but I played 07/08, somethings were interesting, like the CPU teams scoring on themselves, full rink goals, goalie scoring on himself, hitting the post 50,000 times in a game, Everyone can be like a superstar with their dekes, which is annoying, & how they all say look how great our graphics look, most of the replays are cinmotion stuff, so it isn't really the game, yes the graphics look great, but I'm sticking with 2K9 probably, I'll admit this year i gave both a chance, and watching the 2k8 trailers, I loved it, & I already make like 2-3 posts for what i think needs to be approved upon for next year. Savoie06, why do you even post here? Like ea has their own forums just post there. Its nice to have your input , but it's kinda annoying.

Noose~

[joker07]

What I don't get is, if you like EA's game so much, why the hell don't you go on their forums and make all the thread you want about their awsome game.

When I go to Bethesda's forum, I don't go to the Oblivion section and start a thread about Fable 2, Final Fantasy or any other RPGs that is coming, or if I were to do it they would put it in off topic or just lock it, as fast as they could.

Yes here is 2k and we are fighting with "EA SPORTS ITS STILL THE SAME GAME"

[joker07]

hitting the post 50,000 times in a game, Everyone can be like a superstar with their dekes, which is annoying, & how they all say look how great our graphics look, most of the replays are cinmotion stuff, so it isn't really the game, yes the graphics look great, but I'm sticking with 2K9 probably

I agree , good post for EA childrens and community days with David Littman . Maybe he is only hockey player and he doesnt read ...

[Savoie06]

Look,first of all this thread was not created by me.As said,why make an EA thread at a 2K site.Since it was here though,I was willing to discuss the game.I don't care if you prefer 2K or EA,it's not important.I'm not here to talk which game is better,because that is a matter of personal preferance.However,I don't believe anyone can honestly say EA isn't making quite a bit more effort in their hockey games since moving to the 360.If you say otherwise,you are in complete and utter denial.Sure 07 and 08 were flawed in some ways and I'm sure 09 will be as well. The series has still seen way more improvement than 2K has since it's inception and that is in just three years.Yeah,they are implementing alot of things that 2K already had,but any smart developer would.That is what drives business,competition.2K showed EA up during the Xbox years,now EA is showing 2K up(face it you know they are) since going next gen.The move of getting rid of Kush was step one,now lets see if VC can step up.

[Savoie06]

Yes here is 2k and we are fighting with "EA SPORTS ITS STILL THE SAME GAME"
Hmm...last I checked it was 2K's Hockey getting kinda stale and EA moving forward.Thus the move to lose Kush.

[FSOTG]

One thing that is keeping 2k from doing interesting leap in the devlopment of the NHL series in my opinion, is that they constantly start over and in sports game devlopment it's not a good thing.

[joker07]

OK Ok Here is NHL09... I have some questions for David Littman (EA producer) and for EA fans :

1. Who likes shooting pass (slap pass) in simulation of hockey ?
2. Who likes tape to tape pass in simulation of hockey ?
3. Who likes cheating CPU in simulation of hockey ?
4. Who likes money goals and cheese plays in simulation of hockey ?
5. Who likes 100000000 hitting the posts in simulation of hockey ?

Savoie, please answer me first !

[Gongshow]

Hmm...last I checked it was 2K's Hockey getting kinda stale and EA moving forward.Thus the move to lose Kush.

2k went backwards, 2k3 2k4 2k5 2k6 2k7 i took over ea,s until 2k8 which I thought was horrible. Maybe the same people who made prizefighter made 2k8

[Savoie06]

OK Ok Here is NHL09... I have some questions for David Littman (EA producer) and for EA fans :

1. Who likes shooting pass (slap pass) in simulation of hockey ?
2. Who likes tape to tape pass in simulation of hockey ?
3. Who likes cheating CPU in simulation of hockey ?
4. Who likes money goals and cheese plays in simulation of hockey ?
5. Who likes 100000000 hitting the posts in simulation of hockey ?

Savoie, please answer me first !First off find me a hockey game that is "simulation" hockey.As for your questions,those that try to play "simulation" hockey can't help those that abuse the slap pass and money goals.That's life playing online and good luck at ever ridding the world of it.The post hits can't be helped online,but reduce the shot accuracy to zero offline and the number of hits goes way down.The tape to tape passing is one of the faults of the game granted and can't be help,by I would hardly say this makes or breaks it as "simulation" hockey.I can't see the CPU cheats,but there is a speed advantage it seems,just as there tends to be in 2K at the higher levels.It's part of making the game a challenge for the user.Adjust sliders some and you'll get better results,trust me.By the way,if you are playing on the PS2 or Xbox we should not be having this conversation.

[joker07]

I have x360 and PS3 . On both systems is the same problem : NHL08 its not simulator of hockey ,because here doesnt exists any zone defence or forechecking , backchecking , moveout , crisscross , overloard , triangle . Please visit any hockey game and look at any slap pass or tape to tape pass ,thanks ! And after this you try set any formation in NHL 08 online !

[Savoie06]

That's fine,I won't argue that.In fact like I said I'm not trying to convince anyone here of anything.The thread was posted about NHL 09 and I chipped in.If you enjoy 2K Hockey more and feel it to be more sim,that's your choice.I enjoy 2K sometimes myself,just for the change,but I prefer EA for now.

[joker07]

That's fine,I won't argue that.In fact like I said I'm not trying to convince anyone here of anything.The thread was posted about NHL 09 and I chipped in.If you enjoy 2K Hockey more and feel it to be more sim,that's your choice.I enjoy 2K sometimes myself,just for the change,but I prefer EA for now.

When you prefer EA , please visit EA.com or EAsports.com . Thanks for your wasted time.

[Savoie06]

You wasted your own time man.I wouldn't have posted on the thread if I thought it to be a waste of my time.However,debating which game is more "sim" is ridiculous,because both do some things right or close to right,as well as wrong.I do visit EA's website quite often thank you,but I'm just as entitled to visit here.I have supported 2K in the past by buying every game they have released and will most likely support them again when 2K9 is released.I have NO allegiance to either company.I don't just bag on one because I prefer the other.I actually try to discuss the good and the bad of each.

[joker07]

I try discuss too, NHL08 has garbage gameplay because its still the same play offense and deffense without any SIM , NHL 09 will not different because tape to tape passing and money goals kill this SIM game . More "SIM" EA want ,but cant do this ,because EA games preffer arcade players .

[Savoie06]

What NHL 2K8 Gets Right:
1.Depth -From The Sliders To The Franchise Mode,There Is Definately Alot Of Depth.The Biggest Issue Here Is That 1.The Sliders Need Explanation Of What Effects What When Adjusting 2.Franchise Mode Has Trade/Waiver Issues.Too Many Big Name Players Moving Around.

2.Goalies -The Goalie Animations In This Game Are Indeed The Best I've Seen Yet In A Hockey Game.The Only Issue Is They Tend To Flop A Bit Too Much,But No Big Deal.

3.Faceoffs -Love It,But Wish It Wasn't So Easy To Get Kicked Out.

4.Online Slider Downloads -This Is A Great Feature.Trying Everybodys Playstyles Is Cool.

What 2K Needs Improved:
1.AI -From The Offense To The Defense They Are Both Lacking.Offense,The Cpu Passes Up Shots It Should Take.Doesn't Really Try To Deke The Goalie During One On One Situations.On Defense,The AI Is Just Too Aggressive,Opting For The Big Hit First.This Makes It Nearly Impossible To Generate Any Kind Of Cycling Play,But Also Usually Results In An Easy Path To Net,Once You Avoid The Shoulder Charging Defender.

2.Atmosphere -From The Crowd To The Play By Play,It's Dull And Unenergetic.The Crowd Needs To Cheer Longer And Louder After Goals And Before The Game.The Commentators Just Need Replaced(Thankfully They Will Be In 2K9).

[FSOTG]

What NHL 2K8 Gets Right:
1.Depth -From The Sliders To The Franchise Mode,There Is Definately Alot Of Depth.The Biggest Issue Here Is That 1.The Sliders Need Explanation Of What Effects What When Adjusting 2.Franchise Mode Has Trade/Waiver Issues.Too Many Big Name Players Moving Around.

2.Goalies -The Goalie Animations In This Game Are Indeed The Best I've Seen Yet In A Hockey Game.The Only Issue Is They Tend To Flop A Bit Too Much,But No Big Deal.

3.Faceoffs -Love It,But Wish It Wasn't So Easy To Get Kicked Out.

4.Online Slider Downloads -This Is A Great Feature.Trying Everybodys Playstyles Is Cool.

What 2K Needs Improved:
1.AI -From The Offense To The Defense They Are Both Lacking.Offense,The Cpu Passes Up Shots It Should Take.Doesn't Really Try To Deke The Goalie During One On One Situations.On Defense,The AI Is Just Too Aggressive,Opting For The Big Hit First.This Makes It Nearly Impossible To Generate Any Kind Of Cycling Play,But Also Usually Results In An Easy Path To Net,Once You Avoid The Shoulder Charging Defender.

2.Atmosphere -From The Crowd To The Play By Play,It's Dull And Unenergetic.The Crowd Needs To Cheer Longer And Louder After Goals And Before The Game.The Commentators Just Need Replaced(Thankfully They Will Be In 2K9).

I have to agree with you on both the good and the thing to imoprove.

[stoney0ne]

What NHL 2K8 Gets Right:
1.Depth -From The Sliders To The Franchise Mode,There Is Definately Alot Of Depth.The Biggest Issue Here Is That 1.The Sliders Need Explanation Of What Effects What When Adjusting 2.Franchise Mode Has Trade/Waiver Issues.Too Many Big Name Players Moving Around.

2.Goalies -The Goalie Animations In This Game Are Indeed The Best I've Seen Yet In A Hockey Game.The Only Issue Is They Tend To Flop A Bit Too Much,But No Big Deal.

3.Faceoffs -Love It,But Wish It Wasn't So Easy To Get Kicked Out.

4.Online Slider Downloads -This Is A Great Feature.Trying Everybodys Playstyles Is Cool.

What 2K Needs Improved:
1.AI -From The Offense To The Defense They Are Both Lacking.Offense,The Cpu Passes Up Shots It Should Take.Doesn't Really Try To Deke The Goalie During One On One Situations.On Defense,The AI Is Just Too Aggressive,Opting For The Big Hit First.This Makes It Nearly Impossible To Generate Any Kind Of Cycling Play,But Also Usually Results In An Easy Path To Net,Once You Avoid The Shoulder Charging Defender.

2.Atmosphere -From The Crowd To The Play By Play,It's Dull And Unenergetic.The Crowd Needs To Cheer Longer And Louder After Goals And Before The Game.The Commentators Just Need Replaced(Thankfully They Will Be In 2K9).



i agree with that a lot.


its like pulling teeth to get your team mates to either cycle, give and go, rotate, etc with you. the cpu teammates are stupid. to many times you make a pass, then the cpu control guy who passed mindlesly skates the smae direction he passed.

[Savoie06]

What NHL 08 Gets Right:
1.Atmosphere -The Crowd Could Be Better,But Thorne And Clement Add Alot To The Feel Of This Game.

2.The Features -Having The AHL Is Really Nice.Being Able To Play An NHL/AHL Dynasty Simitanueously Is Even Better.Create A Play Is Also Great For Creating Cycle Plays.Finally The Skill Stick Is Cool No Matter What The Nay Sayers Say.Yeah,You Might Shoot Accidently Sometimes When You Don't Mean To,But Once You Get Use It That Rarely Happens.Plus The One On One Dekes Are A Nice Little Weapon If Timed Right.

3.Graphics/Animations -Polished And Smooth Looking.From Seeing Sticks Flex When You Shoot To Seeing How The Players Skate,The Animations Are Great.The Big Issue Here Is There Could Be More,Especially When It Comes To Goalie Saves.The Graphics Are Just Beautiful.The Player Faces Look Great For Those That Actually Resemble Their Real Life Counterparts.There Needs To Be More That Do Though.

4.The Cpu AI -Offense And Defense,The CPU AI Is Top Notch.You Really Have To Vary Things On Offense To Score(That Is If You Choose Not To Resort To Known Money Goals).On D,You Have To Be Disiplined and Get Your Stick In The Lanes And Pick Your Checks Carefully(Like When A Player Is Hugging The Boards).Trying To Check In Open Ice Will Get You Burned.Offensively The CPU Can Be Deadly If You Leave An Opening From Being Too Aggressive.I Love This Aspect Of This Game.

What NHL 08 Needs Improved:
1.Player Styles -They Need More Characteristics That Set Them Apart,Goalies and Skaters Alike.There Doesn't Really Seem To Be Much Difference,Especially With The Goalies.They All Do The Same Saves,The Same Way.They Just Have Different Names And Uniforms.

2.Presentation -This Is One Area 2K Edges Out EA As Well.There Is No Team Entrances,Three Stars Skating Out After The Game And Not Enough Variety For Cutscenes.

3.The Little Things -Puck Physics Need Improved,Pinning Needs To More Of An Option,And Passes Need To Be Less Accurate.More Strategy Options As Well.Finally The Defensive Controls Need To Be Upgraded To Not Feel So Stiff.

4.AI Teammates -Oh,They Are Borderline Worthless And Incompetent.On Offense Players Should Skate More To Find/Create Openings.On Defense They Need To Pressure The Puck Handler More And Not Allow Players To Just Camp In Front Of The Net And Wait For A Pass;Then Take A Free Shot On Your Goalie.

[Savoie06]

Both Games Need To Improve The Collision Detection And The Penalties.2K Doesn't Have Enough Penalties,EA Doesn't Have Variety In Those Called.The Collision Detection Is Awful On Both Sides.Sticks Going Through Players And Skates,Ugh.

[MapleLeaf16]

[B]The Commentators Just Need Replaced(Thankfully They Will Be In 2K9).

Really? So they're not bringing back Neal and Cole?

[Savoie06]

Really!They were replaced with the Sharks Commentators.

[FSOTG]

Both Games Need To Improve The Collision Detection And The Penalties.2K Doesn't Have Enough Penalties,EA Doesn't Have Variety In Those Called.The Collision Detection Is Awful On Both Sides.Sticks Going Through Players And Skates,Ugh.


Again I have to agree. Are you serious there is penality in NHL 2k8???:rotfl:

What I would really appreciate is if they ever decide to put french commentaries in the game, but I really don't know if there ever wil be a hockey game with french (canadian) comments.

[MapleLeaf16]

Really!They were replaced with the Sharks Commentators.

That Sucks!

[joker07]

WHAT???? 4.The Cpu AI -Offense And Defense,The CPU AI Is Top Notch, WHAT???????....... AI in NHL08 is stupid!!! Offense and more Defense . Its only static positions on PP ,PK without any movements . I was winner of every games on SUPERSTAR !!! W.Capitals 82-0-0 !!! Oveckin has 137 scores....
2k8 AI is TOP NOTCH or Savoie06 is st....!

[Savoie06]

WHAT???? 4.The Cpu AI -Offense And Defense,The CPU AI Is Top Notch, WHAT???????....... AI in NHL08 is stupid!!! Offense and more Defense . Its only static positions on PP ,PK without any movements . I was winner of every games on SUPERSTAR !!! W.Capitals 82-0-0 !!! Oveckin has 137 scores....
2k8 AI is TOP NOTCH or Savoie06 is st....!If you don't agree,fine.I don't believe for a minute you went 82-0 unless of course,you cheesed the Cpu to death.For some reason you seem like the type.So lets see your right/wrongs for each game.It would be interesting to see how constructive you can be.

[BruinsHockey08]

If you don't agree,fine.I don't believe for a minute you went 82-0 unless of course,you cheesed the Cpu to death.For some reason you seem like the type.So lets see your right/wrongs for each game.It would be interesting to see how constructive you can be.

Do you actually expect him to get off his hate of the EA series long enough to actually put together a reasonable pros and cons for both games, it seems very unlikely.

[Savoie06]

No,I don't.

[joker07]

You are the same LIAR as David Littman ! EA AI is the best..... EA Dynasty is the best..... EA animations is the best....
Savoie you never seen any hockey game?
Littman is producer , he do everythink for bussinnes ,not for customers , not for YOU ! EA game has 5 months lifetime !!! Each EA game has 5 months lifetime ! Why not everything from the hockey-play in hockey games ? Because its only software ? NOT !!! Because its only EA software with 5 months lifetime ! Please answer me : Why YOU preffer EA games on 2k website? You are from EA ? From community EA ? I hate EA because I know their producers personally from EA PressTour in Europe (NHL08)!!! They exactly know what did they do : 5 months lifetime for NHL09...

[BruinsHockey08]

I am here because I like both games, I just find EA's game better, but I love how your blood boils just at two letters EA. I know their hockey game has issues, in fact I agree with some of what you say, but as an overall game I find it more fun to play, is it the most realistic? I don't think so but it is fun. Tell me something Joker is everyone on this board as bias as you? From what I can tell most the posters here still find imperfections about 2K's game also. So both games need improvements! However I don't think you have a right to trash people who think EA is a better product, but instead have a constructive discussion on why you think 2K is better and why they think EA's game is better, it's what forums are about. Do you think anyone on the 2K board would be trashed on the EA site? Well probably by a couple people but mostly the community there is open to criticism about EA's game because we all know it has it's pluses and minus's but even so we can all welcome a intelligent discussion on how to fix it. I think of both games fans came together we can come up with alot of great idea's not seen in any NHL game, which is something that needs to happen so maybe the producers if they like it can incorperate them into the games for the gamers benefit.

So Joker everyone knows you must have a dislike about the NHL 2k series so you should list them so they can be fixed and won't bother you in the future, because no matter what game or company the game is made by there is always at least one flaw that annoys a gamer. Honestly I enjoyed the 2k game more than EA's in the last two or three years on the old consoles and then EA stepped it up on the next gen consoles and I think their game is better at the moment but with that said I hope Visual Concepts can bring 2K back into the hockey spotlight because as a gamer I love it when both companies make great games because it provides intense competition and the gamers end up the ultimate winners!

[Savoie06]

First off I never said anything about being "the best".On BOTH games I simply pointed out the PROS AND CONS.In case you haven't figured it out yet neither company has truely captured NHL Hockey,but both do capture certain aspects of the sport.It is just my personal belief that EA has captured aspects that make their game more enjoyable.This is one of a few threads at this 2K Website that concerns NHL09.I didn't start any one of them,only contributed.It is a community forum,I'm entitled to post here.I'm not flaming anyone or 2K.My opinion or Littman's can not be a lie.Your post about going 82-0 seems unlikely to me,unless you have proof of such a claim.No one I've encountered yet on forums has talked of going undefeated on this game,until you.I'm still waiting for a constructive(look it up if you're not sure what it means) comparison of the two games from you.

[b-Dub]

Joker, there's no need to call people "liars", as that only leads to more flaming, which gets people in trouble.

Each game has issues, but each dev team is working on making their game better, because they know the competition is right there. There isn't this huge gap in quality like with NBA 2K and NBA Live. This is a very good thing for us the game players.

While you say EA is doing what they do for their business, so is 2K. Each company wants to make money, and to do that, they are trying to make a product better than the other company. When they do that, then we reap the benefits. So, like which ever game you want to like, and hate the other one if you will, but please, respect the other people's opinions and thoughts. No one is right and no one is wrong when it comes to their opinions.

[AJ2K7]

al this talk like EA is the devil and 2k is making the game for the 2k fans and Ea only cares about there bottom line is garbage. Ok first off does 2k have a day that fans and people that play the game can come test out the new game and give feedback? Does 2K have any info out about the game yet do they respond to your post and ideas and actualy put your ideas in the game..? No but Ea does lol I mean I its the same thing with 2k every year they dont listen to the gamers they just say were building the game from the ground up how can you be excited about a game that has no info other then it will be completly new. Now I wont say NHL 08 was without flaws but if you look at 07 to 08 and whats being said about 09 EA is making huge jumps every year. Where 2k puts out the same game different presentation and messed up ackward controls and this year Im sure you can expect an even different control Scheme but of course they wont ask what people want in controls they will just put something out and hope its good. Bottom line is this argument that 2k is true sim is garbage you cant cycle like in 09 the D just trys the big hit every time its just not really sim at all. If 2K is so amazing why is it that NHL 08 was sold out everytime I go to a game store and 2k was selling for nothing and wasnt sold out and 2k is the one rebuilding the game completly. Honestly if you like the game great but I wouldnt try to pretend the game is as good as NHL 08

[RoadDoggFL]

2K isn't on a mission to monopolize the gaming industry.

[navarz]

I think a big reason people hate EA is not so much for the game but the company.All Ea tries to do is buy out the competition and or licenses. I am glad the NHL refused to give both EA and 2 K 5 year deals. Since EA could not buy the license for themselves they are now trying to buy out the competition.
For my opinion 2K has a better franchise. Since that is all I play I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt 2K wins that part of the game hands down. I gave up on EA when they removed Multiplayer franchise, You get fired if you don't finish first in the league in Powerplay or whatever novelty they gave your team to accomplish, You could win 2 straight Stanley Cups and still get fired also they have no fantasy draft and I could go on and on. For these reasons I prefer 2k

[BruinsHockey08]

I think a big reason people hate EA is not so much for the game but the company.All Ea tries to do is buy out the competition and or licenses.

I agree with this, they are trying to ruin the game industry one gaming brand purchase at a time

I am glad the NHL refused to give both EA and 2 K 5 year deals.

Me to, look at madden now, there has not been alot of improvment in madden since the NFL gave EA an exclusive license

For my opinion 2K has a better franchise. Since that is all I play I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt 2K wins that part of the game hands down.

The 2k series has always nailed the franchise mode, the biggest issue with 2k that I had was it used to have freezing problems with the franchise which used to tick me off

I gave up on EA when they removed Multiplayer franchise

That is quite annoying i agree 100 percent

You get fired if you don't finish first in the league in Powerplay or whatever novelty they gave your team to accomplish, You could win 2 straight Stanley Cups and still get fired

Maybe in the past but they have not had goals in a long time so that is no longer a problem

also they have no fantasy draft

I never liked it to begin with so no worries here but if you like it than I can understand you being mad about that

I did my best to reply to each problem presented, it was not easy because some of them are valid reasons for choosing one over the other, I hope EA improves the franchise mode alot because they have the AHL in their game and having a great dynasty mode to go with it would be a very smart thing to do since the AHL is useless outside of dynasty mode.

[navarz]

I did my best to reply to each problem presented, it was not easy because some of them are valid reasons for choosing one over the other, I hope EA improves the franchise mode alot because they have the AHL in their game and having a great dynasty mode to go with it would be a very smart thing to do since the AHL is useless outside of dynasty mode.

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Nice job
One other thing I like better in 2k is the unlimited years in Franchise where I do believe EA caps theres at 20 years.
My biggest complaint in 2K is the freezing problems. I have to turn off Injuries and computer trading to avoid this.
I wish EA and 2K would put out a game every 2 years alternating the years they put out each game.Maybe only then we could get a game without glitches.

[Savoie06]

You know,the idea of a sports title being released every other year should be strongly considered,given the number of issues one seems to usually have.I would be all for it,so long as the developers offered more Roster updates(maybe one every two months).I think it would definately help cut down on the bugs and give developers more time to implement and test what the gamers want.

[Savoie06]

See now look what you've done...all this talk about 2K8 and 08 has made me want to fire up my 2K8 again.With my slider set,I may just do a manual Trade Deadline Update and have two Franchises going at once.

[BruinsHockey08]

I wish I had 2k8, just so I can compare the two, plus it kills time to until madden comes out

[AJ2K7]

now this whole thing about EA trying to buy out the comp is true now Im not well versed in legal aspects but I do know that Ea has a mandate to its share holders to make as much profit as it can as well as 2k does. My point being is EA obviously has higher profits and more money so I wonder if since 2k has even admitedly having not the best run of it is EA obligated to try to take them over. So that being said if the tables were reversed would 2k be trying to buyout EA just thinking that maybe everything is not so cut and dry as EA being a monoplozine monster as much as the way the law is set up you have to be unless of course the government steps in and says you cant have a monopoly.

[RoadDoggFL]

If the tables were reversed, I'd hate 2K, admit it had a game more to my tastes (or maybe I wouldn't, since my tastes would've developed through playing EA's hockey games over the years) and just not buy 2K's games.

The point is that the tables aren't reversed. I'm just currently fortunate that the company I hate doesn't make the hockey game I prefer.

[navarz]

The point is that the tables aren't reversed. I'm just currently fortunate that the company I hate doesn't make the hockey game I prefer.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more.

[Grandmaster D]

Anyone know, what is meant with "tournament" in this case?
National Hockey League
American Hockey League
International Teams.
Russian Elite
German Elite
Swedish Tournament
Finnish Tournament
Czech Elite, Link. (http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=372343&tstart=0)

On the prodcers blog (http://www.easports.com/nhl09/blog.jsp), of the international non-American teams, only the german, czech and russian leagues are mentioned as newly playable ones.

[joker07]

Stupid EA sports and their "TOURNAMENT MODE" ! NO ZAMMBONIS,NO VIDEO JUDGE , NO SWEDISH and FINNISH LEAGUES... but TOURNAMENTS !
Finnish a Swedish leagues was last year ... Here is NHL09 next stupid EA datadisc !

[Savoie06]

Joker,I don't recall 2K having Zammbonis,Video Judge,Swedish and Finnish Leagues,shouldn't you include them or was this just another feeble attempt to flame EA?

[mjf_80]

EA: "Gameplay is nothing, graphics is everything. Obey your visuals!"

2K: "Graphics is nothing, gameplay is everything. Obey the controls!"

[joker07]

Im BIG SKEPTICAL HARDCORE PLAYER ! I Agree with the NHL09 will the same ARCADE game as NHL07 and NHL08 because its still too much easy for scoring ,passing,onetimers and you are not playing complet hockey but only OFFENSE ! ... I like EA next gen hockey for their perfect WOW EFFECT and ARCADE game style .... but 2K series its still HIGH TECH hard hockey game for profi hockey players and NHL 2k8 (2k3-2k7 too of course) its still better simulator than another EA game. Every year I will buy both series EA and 2K . I like both videogames ! And I belive in EA hockey series without tape to tape passing and stupid slap shot passing (options in menu ENABLED or DISABLED please David !) ... Maybe next year more SIM effects , more hockey style ,more EUPHORIA engine, less HYPE words from Mr.Littman and Savoie06 !

[mjf_80]

I prefer realism, which 2K offers in their hockey games, as I dislike arcadism, what EA seems to prefer....

[Savoie06]

I prefer realism, which 2K offers in their hockey games, as I dislike arcadism, what EA seems to prefer....Aren't you still playing PS2 though?

[Savoie06]

Joker,this is seriously all you see that needs improved for 2K9?

Broken Sticks, Disallowed goals, major penalties, Goalie injuries, score updates during intermission, 2k8 gameplay, zamboni after periods, and completely ONLINE season with changing strategies-training players-injured players and HOT and COLD players, no glitches or bugs , OK? OK Its done ,IM SANTA CLAUS from VC !

You are fine with the AI on both sides of the puck?The lackluster atmosphere?

[thafutureiz]

Everyone i talk to outside these forums seems to say NHL 08 is 10x better then 2k... But i will try out both and make a decision for myself

[Savoie06]

EA: "Gameplay is nothing, graphics is everything. Obey your visuals!"

2K: "Graphics is nothing, gameplay is everything. Obey the controls!"

This is funny to me,gameplay is usually what makes a game fun.I find little in 2K8's gameplay that makes it fun,unless you like checking everything in sight and being checked.The dull atmosphere makes the gameplay in 2K8 that much less appealing.Also,the controls for 2K8 were one of the most hated features in a hockey game next to Cinemotion.

[Gongshow]

EA: "Gameplay is nothing, graphics is everything. Obey your visuals!"

2K: "Graphics is nothing, gameplay is everything. Obey the controls!"


Dude Im not gonna say 2k8 isnt good Im liking it, but nhl 09 def had better gameplay, theres a reason why it racked up on all the sports games awards this year.

[RoadDoggFL]

Dude Im not gonna say 2k8 isnt good Im liking it, but nhl 09 def had better gameplay, theres a reason why it racked up on all the sports games awards this year.
08 was reviewed better because it's more accessible, and 2K8 sucks out of the box so nobody even reviewed the game most of us played, anyway.

Just so you know...

[Gongshow]

08 was reviewed better because it's more accessible, and 2K8 sucks out of the box so nobody even reviewed the game most of us played, anyway.

Just so you know...

ok geek?.....

[Savoie06]

Joker,post your 2K8 sliders so I can try them out.Nothing is working "Live".

[joker07]

Ok here is my NHL08 league (jok775-Detroit) : http://www.x360liga.cznhl.com/

Yes here is my 2k8 league (jok775-Sharks) : http://online.2ksports.com/league/?p=360&l=308683&t=NHL2K8

My game style share for online league is : TEST GOLD

[Savoie06]

Ok,but how am I suppose to get your sliders from those sites?As I said,2K isn't working on Live so I can't upload them there.

[joker07]

My game style share for online league is : TEST GOLD (Latest uploads in Xbox live styles share) or use search for this .

[Savoie06]

Joker,I must say you have some good sliders.Too bad the game is so flawed.

[joker07]

Thanks ! I believe that 09 or 2k9 producers trying this good sliders too :)

[Joker_Rules93]

I agree with everything Joker07 said. I also got 82-0 with the Pittsburgh Pens and 137 goals with Sydney Crosby.

[Savoie06]

I agree with everything Joker07 said. I also got 82-0 with the Pittsburgh Pens and 137 goals with Sydney Crosby.:Only because you are Joker75.Dude,next time you want to try and pull one over on me,try it with a completely different name and use a more believeable story.Stop playing on PRO and Rookie if the game is that easy for ya.

[joker07]

I agree with everything Joker_Rules93 said. I also got 82-0 and 4-0 final series SC with the Wings and 162 goals with Henrik on SUPERSTAR ! S06 please try PRO and ROOKIE if the game is that hard for ya. S(tupid)06 ?

[Savoie06]

You see,I don't try to convince anyone I went 82-0.I have nothing to prove to anyone on these forums.I rather like the fact that ALL Star and Superstar are challenging.I wouldn't enjoy the game if I never lost or cheesed so I could win all my games.

[BruinsHockey08]

I agree with everything Joker_Rules93 said. I also got 82-0 and 4-0 final series SC with the Wings and 162 goals with Henrik on SUPERSTAR ! S06 please try PRO and ROOKIE if the game is that hard for ya. S(tupid)06 ?

Wow I knew you were a tool but making two names and agreeing with yourself is about as bad as it gets, I understand you hate EA, and that's fine, I personally find EA games more enjoyable. But to go out and make a second name just for the sake of agreeing with yourself is rediculas. And I hope you do spam the EA board, it will just prove how much of a tool you are. Have a nice day

[navarz]

I will post this here also.
I don't understand all the bickering of which game is better.It all depends on what each person looks for in a game.
For some it may be graphics
game play
online
or for me personally franchise mode. When it comes to me 2k is the better game and has been for years. Nobody can prove me wrong on this one. EA lost me years ago when the dropped multyplayer franchise. My only complaint is the freezing which we don't have any more since I turned off computer trading and injuries which sucks but at least I can enjoy my franchise. 2k has unlimited seasons EA has 20 i believe.2k is multiplayer so that me and myfriends can compete against each other in the same franchise. I do not enjoy playing the computer it is like having sex with your self it is not quite the same.
I don't care how pretty EA looks like without a good franchise mode it is a useless game for me.
For others it maybe something diffrent so to say one game is better or to try to promote EA here like you work for there marketing department or something. I also enjoy the game play on 2k which is I my personal opinion.if you think diffrent that is your opinion.
Also it is not like EA does not have alot of the same bugs as 2k.
There I feel much better now.

[SaintPatrick33]

Just like THE SHOW AND MLB 2K8 you cannot honestly even compare these games.
Please if you havent just rent EA LHN 08 It plays real hockey , position ect.
But to be fair 2k did do a nice jobs with their goalies .
Just too many things 2k does half arse that make this game unplayable long term .
Constant tweaking gets tiring but I love Hockey so much I will probably buy 2k9 on ebay used . :o
I base all of this off 2ks past history , glitches, bugs and half baked ideas but we shall see ?