I am a HUGE RJJ fan, but................

[korey1980]

How in the hell is he ranked #1 WBO contender,#3 IBF,#3 WBA, and the #3 WBC light leavyweight in the world? Name the last top 10 light heavyweight guy he has beaten. Prince Badi Ajamu was ranked by some belt orgs, but that was 2 1/2 years ago. In the last 3 years he has beaten 2 middleweights (1 middle, 1 super middle), and 1 true light heavyweight(at best a top 30 light heavy). Does the fact that he might fight Joe Calzaghe somehow boost his ratings? I am one of his biggest fans, and I still dont think this can be possible until he fights and beats at least 1 top LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT. Can anyone explain this?

[Chadness]

$$$$$$$$$$

[rayratchet]

oo ooo:hi: I can B/C my BOY ROY is STILL that MUCH BETTER than the REST of these LAME's out there NO offense 2 CD

[BANKY]

Is he better than the "milkdud of malice" Antonio Tarver? Is he better than the "road warrior" Glen Johnson?

Your boy roy has gotten smashed like an ant till he fought a couple nobodies and a FAT tito. hanshaw, prince, tito. Real awesome their buddy, lmao. Nice try Sdot, swizzy, ratchet, stopsnitching, endzone and whatever other names you got.

[rayratchet]

ok so he got caught slippin by tarver & glen he has learned fron his mistakes & has rededicated himself to the sport & doing what it takes to get back where he belongs at the TIPPY of the game

side note :rotfl: :rotfl: very funny so you really think i'm ENDZONE, STOPSNITCHING, SWIZZY wow nothing gets pass you huh I guess I also shot jfk too what am I ur RED HERRING okay FRED

[RetroQueen]

I would actually like to see Roy fight Calzaghe because I'm a Joe Cal fan, and I think Joe would get a lot of credit for that win. I was not a Ron fan back in his prime, but I have become more of a fan over the years.

[korey1980]

I would actually like to see Roy fight Calzaghe because I'm a Joe Cal fan, and I think Joe would get a lot of credit for that win. I was not a Ron fan back in his prime, but I have become more of a fan over the years.

Joe owns the ring belt, but i think he gets his *** kicked by Tarver, Johnson, Dawson, Diacanu, and quite possibly, what people call"washed" up Jones. Jones can beat Calzaghe. There is way too much emphasis on the ring belt. Floyd held it at welter, and it meant nothing, same goes for Joe at light heavy.

[RetroQueen]

I have been a Calzaghe fan for years I started liking him back in 99. Those guys you said are all good fighters to, so maybe your right they can beat him, we don't know. But I'll still be a Joe fan no matter what win or lose. I have waited to see him get this popular for years, it's just nice to see him finally get his Do.

[rayratchet]

what you mean mayweather being the ring mag champ didn't mean nothing it meant he was the guy to beat plain & simple

[korey1980]

Mayweather beating the weakest welterweight champ(Baldomir) does or did not make him the top fighter in the division. Plain and Simple.

[korey1980]

I have been a Calzaghe fan for years I started liking him back in 99. Those guys you said are all good fighters to, so maybe your right they can beat him, we don't know. But I'll still be a Joe fan no matter what win or lose. I have waited to see him get this popular for years, it's just nice to see him finally get his Do.

I respect that. Maybe he will succeed at light heavyweight. I just dont agree with any fighter getting crowned as the ring champ after just one fight in a division. Get what I'm sayin?

[rayratchet]

you looking at it all wrong don't think of it as him beating baldomir it's really him beating ZAB see doesn't that sound better ;) he just took what he was suppose to get from ZAB:D

[Goodfella2279]

I like Roy, but he's not the same fighter he once was. Plain and simple. He thinks that he is going to be like Hopkins, who had a lot of success in his late 30's. But the main difference is that Jones' fighting style is based on reflexes, speed and counter punching, all of which slow with age, especially the reflexes. Punches that he would easily dodge before he gets hit with now. Hopkins, on the other hand, uses kind of a methodical, deliberate style that allows him to be very successful at an advanced age. Also, Jones before was so skilled that he never really had his chin tested. We now know that he can be knocked out and his chin may not be all that great as a result of getting caught by Tarver, who really is not known as a knockout puncher. Granted, that shot was perfect, but it still raises questions about his chin.

This is the main reason that I don't want to see Roy vs. Joe Calzaghe. Roy is an all time great fighter and I don't want to see him get dominated and possibly stopped by Joe. I think at this point it's a mismatch. Back in his prime, Roy could of possibly beat Joe. But not now.

[korey1980]

[QUOTE=Goodfella2279]I like Roy, but he's not the same fighter he once was. Plain and simple. He thinks that he is going to be like Hopkins, who had a lot of success in his late 30's. But the main difference is that Jones' fighting style is based on reflexes, speed and counter punching, all of which slow with age, especially the reflexes. Punches that he would easily dodge before he gets hit with now. Hopkins, on the other hand, uses kind of a methodical, deliberate style that allows him to be very successful at an advanced age. Also, Jones before was so skilled that he never really had his chin tested. We now know that he can be knocked out and his chin may not be all that great as a result of getting caught by Tarver, who really is not known as a knockout puncher. Granted, that shot was perfect, but it still raises questions about his chin.

I agree with everything you said except the Tarver statement. Tarvers straight left hand is his bread and butter shot. At the time of the Jones kayo, he had probably the best left hand in the sport. That shot wouldve put down almost anyone. Jones' chin is better than people think. Jones got caught by Tarver, and took a beating before being kayoed by Johnson. I dont consider that to be a weak chin. The punch landed by Johnson was also a very well placed shot, right on the temple, with Jones not seeing the punch. Joe doesnt have the punching power to hurt Jones like that(imo).

[Goodfella2279]

Interesting point, Korey. I just never really think of Tarver as a knockout puncher. His knockout ratio on his record is just ok, to me. He may have a good left hand, which I do agree with you on. But I think the main problem is that he doesn't sit down on his punches a lot and is content to just do just enough to win at times. So from what I see in the ring, he doesn't appear to be a big puncher. More of a wear down and volume guy. He just landed the shot right on the point of Roy's chin. Perfect shot.

As far as Roy's chin goes, while I maybe didn't give it enough credit he did get knocked out in 2 successive fights. That has to raise questions as to his ability to take a punch, irregardless as to who is throwing them. Roy just never had to show that he could take a punch before because his defense and speed were sick. In his prime, Roy was one of the only fighters that I looked at and said to myself, I don't see how anyone can beat him. He was that good. But in possibly facing Joe Calzaghe, he is facing someone who has better hand speed and power than him at this point in his career. Unless Roy finds a fountain of youth, I don't see any way for him to beat Calzaghe other than landing a huge shot and stopping him. I want to see Joe vs. Kelly Pavlik, not Jones.

[korey1980]

Interesting point, Korey. I just never really think of Tarver as a knockout puncher. His knockout ratio on his record is just ok, to me. He may have a good left hand, which I do agree with you on. But I think the main problem is that he doesn't sit down on his punches a lot and is content to just do just enough to win at times. So from what I see in the ring, he doesn't appear to be a big puncher. More of a wear down and volume guy. He just landed the shot right on the point of Roy's chin. Perfect shot.

As far as Roy's chin goes, while I maybe didn't give it enough credit he did get knocked out in 2 successive fights. That has to raise questions as to his ability to take a punch, irregardless as to who is throwing them. Roy just never had to show that he could take a punch before because his defense and speed were sick. In his prime, Roy was one of the only fighters that I looked at and said to myself, I don't see how anyone can beat him. He was that good. But in possibly facing Joe Calzaghe, he is facing someone who has better hand speed and power than him at this point in his career. Unless Roy finds a fountain of youth, I don't see any way for him to beat Calzaghe other than landing a huge shot and stopping him. I want to see Joe vs. Kelly Pavlik, not Jones.

I definitely dont see Calzaghe having more handspeed or power than Jones. A higher workrate, doesnt mean hes quicker, just busier. The way Jones can beat Calzaghe is by beating his body up. U ever see anyone go to Joes body? Jones' success will come from his great body punching. If Jones doesnt use this, I agree he will have a rough night. However, Joe does square up way too often, which leaves him off-balance, and wide open for Jones' right hand. Joe is not an on his toes type fighter like Tarver, who is in and out with his combinations. Joe chooses to stay in the pocket, and square up, so he is easier to find than the tall rangey Tarver that Jones had trouble against. Joe doesnt use the southpaw stance to his advantage, because he squares up so much, and doesnt have a reach advantage on Jones, like Tarver did. This fight is going to be very interesting. Even at this stage of their careers. Jones-Calzaghe 5-6 years ago would've been an absolute blowout in Jones' favor(imo).

[Goodfella2279]

I agree that a few years ago, Jones probably could have beaten Calzaghe. But just looking at it, Joe is busier but I think Jones' hand speed has reduced to the point where Joe is now faster also. Jones would have his moments in the fight, but to me he's no where near the same fighter and where he needs to be to beat a guy like Calzaghe. Back in Roy's prime, his hand speed was blinding. But even against a largely outsized Trinidad, his hands looked ok but not anywhere near where they once were as far as speed.
I do agree that Joe squares up too much, giving Roy countering opportunities. It's just whether Jones could take advantage that would make the difference in the fight.

On a side note, I am a huge Trinidad fan but that was the stupidest fight he could have taken. Jones was much bigger and more skilled, and Trinidad's power didn't translate at all at the higher weight. There was no way Trinidad could have won that fight even if it was an older Jones. He did take some early rounds but I just knew that Jones was going to find his range and pot shot him. I just hope that Felix fights just one more time at his own weight class because I don't want to see him go out like that.

Boy, it's nice to have intelligent boxing discussions on message boards. In other boards I've been to, the conversation usually steers towards stupidity like could De La Hoya beat Tyson (the thread was as stupid as it sounds.) I just love talking boxing and this is a lot more fun than discussing whether Prizefighter sucks or is good. I enjoy talking about the game, but talking boxing is much more fun and interesting.

[korey1980]

I agree. Its also nice being able to discuss, and not resort to name calling and all that other bs. We're just stating opinions, no reason to take it personally.

[Goodfella2279]

Absolutely. I cannot stand debating with someone about boxing and them being so convinced in their opinion that they are unwilling to even awknowledge another viewpoint and resort to name calling. We are all boxing fans (I hope. Otherwise, why are you here?) and all love the sport. What's great about it is that someone may see something differently in a fighter or fight than you, and may make you look at things in a different light. Anyway, I hope this section of the Prizefighter forum grows because this is a great way to kill time at work.

[rayratchet]

amen to that

P.S ROY will WASH cali gurl

[BANKY]

amen to that

P.S ROY will WASH cali gurl
Yet another astute observation from the ratchetman, lmao.:confused: :thumbsdow

[rayratchet]

okay see did I say anything to you why are you trying to bait me into "FLAMING" you huh I really don't get it your reputation as a SNITCH has been well documented so what is your motive behind your statement???

[Chadness]

I respect that. Maybe he will succeed at light heavyweight. I just dont agree with any fighter getting crowned as the ring champ after just one fight in a division. Get what I'm sayin?

No. I don't. Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather both beat THE champs. End of discussion.

[Chadness]

Oh, and Roy is an interesting match up for Joe. He's faster (still) and Joe punches so weak he couldn't even hurt Roy. His balance is horrible which will leave him open for getting put on the seat of his pants all night long. Calzaghe has the stamina but that's about it. If he can't take old man Roys punches the way he couldn't take Bernards punches then he will get eaten up coming in and for the first time in his career at a disadvantage in speed meaning a tough night from the outside. Plus, Roy is bigger to make the outside even worse.

Primes, Roy makes a fool out of the guy quite frankly.

[korey1980]

No. I don't. Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather both beat THE champs. End of discussion.

Screw the ring belt. Calzaghe is not the best light heavyweight, so him owning the ring belt is pointless, and meaningless.

[rayratchet]

now that's true he's NOT but PBF is/was the best so the ring mag meant something

[korey1980]

now that's true he's NOT but PBF is/was the best so the ring mag meant something

How u feel about him not fighting Cotto or Margarito though? To me he has some definite unfinished business. I think he knows how big of a threat they are, thats why he bowwed out when he did.

[Chadness]

What the hell are you talking about? Roy was THE champ. Tarver beat him. Johnson beat him. Tarver beat him. Hopkins beat him. Calzaghe beat him.

I don't care about who has what WBAOFCA suspenders replacement. Joe Calzaghe is the Lightheavyweight (And Supermiddleweight) Champion. The one and ONLY. Chad Dawson, Antonio Tarver and Zsolt "Where's My Passport?" Erdei hold expensive paperweights.

David Haye, Joe Calzaghe (x2), Kelly Pavlik, Floyd Mayweather (well.. you know), Ricky Hatton, Manny Pacquiao.

The only champions in boxing. Everybody else hold "titles".

[korey1980]

What the hell are you talking about? Roy was THE champ. Tarver beat him. Johnson beat him. Tarver beat him. Hopkins beat him. Calzaghe beat him.

I don't care about who has what WBAOFCA suspenders replacement. Joe Calzaghe is the Lightheavyweight (And Supermiddleweight) Champion. The one and ONLY. Chad Dawson, Antonio Tarver and Zsolt "Where's My Passport?" Erdei hold expensive paperweights.

David Haye, Joe Calzaghe (x2), Kelly Pavlik, Floyd Mayweather (well.. you know), Ricky Hatton, Manny Pacquiao.

The only champions in boxing. Everybody else hold "titles".

Calzaghe barely beat a 43 year old Hopkins. You honesty think he can beat the rest of the light heavyweight champs. Like I said, I do not care who the ring crowns as their champ. I dont consider all of the ring champions the best fighters in the division, some I do, but not all. Its my opinion, I dont care if you dont agree with it.

[rayratchet]

as a good freind mine once said to you I STILL believe that he will fight Cotto or Margarito despite his currently being retired

[korey1980]

as a good freind mine once said to you I STILL believe that he will fight Cotto or Margarito despite his currently being retired

I hope so. That would be a great matchup, no matter which one he faces. He wins, there is no doubting how great he is/was.

[rayratchet]

honestly I don't think him vs Cotto would be a great FIGHT Cotto seems to STRUGGLE with guys with GOOD HAND SPEED ie ZAB who he resulted to cheating against & Shane who didn't really seemed inspired in that fight but yet held his own

[Chadness]

Calzaghe barely beat a 43 year old Hopkins. You honesty think he can beat the rest of the light heavyweight champs. Like I said, I do not care who the ring crowns as their champ. I dont consider all of the ring champions the best fighters in the division, some I do, but not all. Its my opinion, I dont care if you dont agree with it.

Actually, Calzaghe lost to him. =X Officially, he won. Officially, he's the champ. And that's who the Ring Magazine belt is (usually) awarded to.

As for the rest of the people who hold titles (they are not champions. Stop.)... He'd crush Erdei. Erdei is a turd. Tarver is an old turd who CAN be talented. No idea, really. He could. Dawson, same as Tarver on the prediction. Good fighter, never been sold on the instant great tag but would be the only favorite of the three.

As you can tell... I on't hold Calzaghe into an elite regard. Quite frankly, against true elite fighters of his era he'd get dominated in at least two with two early half KO losses (Hopkins, Jones) and play perfectly into the hands of James Toney. Just gotta wonder if Calzaghe could pull a Roy and use his feet a lot more to take it there.

[Chadness]

honestly I don't think him vs Cotto would be a great FIGHT Cotto seems to STRUGGLE with guys with GOOD HAND SPEED ie ZAB who he resulted to cheating against & Shane who didn't really seemed inspired in that fight but yet held his own

LOL @ cheating excuse. Judah jumped into at least one of those low blows. Pffffffffft.

And struggled? He lost maybe 2 rounds vs Judah and obliterated him. And no, Mosley wasn't uninspired by anything other than Cotto beating him to the punch and crushing him constantly with a telephone pole jab. Only rounds Cotto lost with that were when he got on his bike at the end and made sure he left with his win.

How would Mayweather/Cotto not be a great fight? Two truly elite fighters in their primes with completely different personalities and fanbases make for an EVENT. It's already a great fight. Then, it's purely a boxer vs pressure fight. Those always make for great fights. Cotto doesn't hold and Mayweather only held for dear life against Hatton. Cottos jab and more accurate right hand will stop Mayweather from holding like he did Hatton.

[Goodfella2279]

I want to see Cotto vs. Mayweather almost as much as I want to see Margarito vs. Cotto (thank God I'm getting my wish with the latter in July.) In my opinion, Cotto is one of the only fighters that I think can actually beat Mayweather. In the past, Mayweather has had trouble with guys that come forward and pressure, such as Castillo and Hatton through the first few rounds of the fight. Even De La Hoya gave him some problems earlier in the fight with pressure. Mayweather loves to counterpunch and pot shot from the outside, using his speed and defense to deflect punches. But if Cotto, who is a very effective pressure fighter, is constantly in Mayweather's chest, Money May would have all sorts of problems. So if those two ever meet, I'm picking Cotto. Now I am a Cotto fan, but I actually am more concerned with his chances against Margarito. To me, Margarito is a monster, a pressure fighter with an iron chin who doesn't stop throwing hard, hard shots. That's a pick em fight if I ever saw one.

About the debate with the rankings and whether Joe should be the ring champ at Light heavy, I think he should. I understand that he's only had one fight in the division but if you beat the Ring champ, that makes you the champ. Hopkins was the Ring champ, and Calzaghe beat him which makes him the number 1 guy in the division. Guys move up and down for big fights all the time. If you get a huge win in the division and beat the number 1 guy, then that makes you the #1 guy. I don't always agree with the Ring champs, but for the most part I do because I am so freaking tired of the damn governing bodies screwing up boxing. With phony mandatories, bribes, belts getting stripped for no good reason the sanctioning bodies are ruining boxing. The Ring belt is the only belt I pay attention to, to be honest.

[korey1980]

Actually, Calzaghe lost to him. =X Officially, he won. Officially, he's the champ. And that's who the Ring Magazine belt is (usually) awarded to.

As for the rest of the people who hold titles (they are not champions. Stop.)... He'd crush Erdei. Erdei is a turd. Tarver is an old turd who CAN be talented. No idea, really. He could. Dawson, same as Tarver on the prediction. Good fighter, never been sold on the instant great tag but would be the only favorite of the three.

As you can tell... I on't hold Calzaghe into an elite regard. Quite frankly, against true elite fighters of his era he'd get dominated in at least two with two early half KO losses (Hopkins, Jones) and play perfectly into the hands of James Toney. Just gotta wonder if Calzaghe could pull a Roy and use his feet a lot more to take it there.

Toney was a great super middleweight. Too bad he couldnt keep the weight off. He definitely wouldve killed Calzaghe. Joe stays in the pocket against Toney, it wouldve been LIGHTS OUT!!!

[rayratchet]

ok 2 CHAD you take 2 shots to in the groin from a professional BOXER and see how well you do in a fight you CAN'T TELL ME that doesn't take a LOT of some1 which is why Cotto did it

NOW as far as SHANE goes me being a BIG SUGAR fan it's obvious he didn't have that same level of AGGRESSION/DETERMINATION he had in PREVIOUS BIG FIGHTS & like I said Cotto STRUGGLED he should have been able to WASH/ WALK through C+ level SUGAR SHANE

[korey1980]

ok 2 CHAD you take 2 shots to in the groin from a professional BOXER and see how well you do in a fight you CAN'T TELL ME that doesn't take a LOT of some1 which is why Cotto did it

NOW as far as SHANE goes me being a BIG SUGAR fan it's obvious he didn't have that same level of AGGRESSION/DETERMINATION he had in PREVIOUS BIG FIGHTS & like I said Cotto STRUGGLED he should have been able to WASH/ WALK through C+ level SUGAR SHANE

I liked Mosley too. But this isnt a prime Mosley we are watching fight anymore. Just take it for what it was, a past his prime Mosley came really close to beating a prime Cotto. Mosley wouldve probably had a fairly easy time with Cotto in his prime. Him losing a close fight to a young fighter at this stage of his career is not hurting his legacy, the roid allegations are though.

[rayratchet]

that's what i'm saying he should of been able to WALK THROUGH this VERSION of SHANE if he is REALLY an A 2 A+ fighter & he COULDN'T yes he won but that was ALL he DID he DIDN'T MAKE a STATEMENT with his VICTORY

[korey1980]

that's what i'm saying he should of been able to WALK THROUGH this VERSION of SHANE if he is REALLY an A 2 A+ fighter & he COULDN'T yes he won but that was ALL he DID he DIDN'T MAKE a STATEMENT with his VICTORY

Against Mosley, who has really made a statement? Maybe Vernon Forrest, thats it. He is(I think) the only person to put Mosley down in a fight, and definitely had him on queer street. Mosley has a granite chin, so if you were thinking that Cotto shouldve been able to ko Mosley, it just doesnt happen.

[rayratchet]

see I never said he had to KNOCK him OUT or that he even had to drop him I mean he should of been able to REALLY show that this version of SHANE was out of his league kinda like WINKY did being in the ring with him kinda like PBF did to BALDOMIR Carlos was just clearly out matched by the SUPERIOR FLOYD

[Goodfella2279]

While Shane is clearly not the fighter he once was (especially at Lightweight. He was unstoppable) he is still a very good fighter that can give anyone trouble. He has a great chin and determination, plus is a skilled boxer. So just the fact that Cotto beat him is impressive to me. I don't expect anyone to blow out Shane Mosely and no one has to this point. He's a tough guy who comes to fight every time out. I think if the fight comes off, he's gonna beat Mayorga.

[rayratchet]

trust me from meeting shane & his 2 sons he's NOT as into boxing as he once was his mind is else where now where is it exactly I don't know but it's certainly NOT ion being the BEST he can be anymore NO that's RJJR mindset

[korey1980]

Yep. Mosley got dominated by Wright because Winky has a great style to beat Shane, plus he is the bigger man. Cottos style matches up with Shanes to make an interesting, engaging style fight. Like they say "styles make fights".

[Goodfella2279]

Winky beat Shane, but I don't think he dominated him. Winky dominated Trinidad, but Mosely put up more of a fight. Shane had his moments in both fights, but Winky's style and defense were too much for Mosely to handle. I'm not really a Winky Wright fan at all as some of his fights bore the crap out of me, but I do appreciate that he is a skilled technician who did beat Mosely twice. But I thought that both fights had their competitive moments.

Anyway, I hope that Shane still has that competitive fire and isn't just fighting for big paydays. That's what is annoying about boxing in general nowadays. I don't fault anyone, especially in this economy, to try to make as much money as they possibly can. But it hurts the sport when two excellent fighters don't fight each other because one has a lower media profile than the other. I miss the days where the best would fight the best all the time, regardless of the purse. But I guess that's just not a realistic way of looking at things today. The best do fight the best every so often, such as the Vasquez vs. Marquez trilogy and Cotto vs. Margarito, but I just wish it would happen more often.

[Chadness]

ok 2 CHAD you take 2 shots to in the groin from a professional BOXER and see how well you do in a fight you CAN'T TELL ME that doesn't take a LOT of some1 which is why Cotto did it

What's that have to do with anything? Judah jumped into one punch to make it go low and pushed Cottos head down on a missed punch with the other. Plus, five minutes to rest. Cotto beat him plain and simple. Plus let's be real here - Cotto would always demolish Zab Judah.

he didn't have that same level of AGGRESSION/DETERMINATION he had in PREVIOUS BIG FIGHTS & like I said Cotto STRUGGLED he should have been able to WASH/ WALK through C+ level SUGAR SHANE

As I said he didn't have the same aggression because a younger, bigger and stronger fighter was hitting him repeatedly with a power jab and in general beating him to the punch. Cotto made Mosley look old. Don't play idiotic revisionist history because Mosley came off several wins where he looked as he ever had since going to 154 going in.

And Cotto didn't "struggle". Not for one second. He outboxed Mosley for 7 or 8 rounds then got on his bike and was never hurt or in trouble. Cotto won. Cotto proved himself. No excuses.

Aside from that the only people that ever bat Shane Mosley were two excellent fighters in their primes without recognition fighting the fights of their lives. They were both natural 154 pound fighters with great jabs. Miguel Cotto, aside from that jab and being excellent/in his prime, is nothing like that. He basically did what nobody else ever did and did it in his first superfight. You're just completely biased if you try to take the win away from him.

[rayratchet]

ain't that some ISH a BLINDLY bias narrow minded guy saying i'm bias & saying 2 SHOTS 2 the groin had 0 effect on the outcome of the FIGHT:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: whatever chad believewhat YOU want it's :cool:

[Chadness]

You're an idiot. I'll lose no sleep over you disagreeing with me. In fact, your sorry excuse of an "argument" makes my case that much stronger.

If you're feeling froggy then you go quote my posts then put a bold tag around where I said low blows didn't have an effect on the outcome of a fight. Or whatever you're pretending I said.

[BANKY]

You're an idiot. I'll lose no sleep over you disagreeing with me. In fact, your sorry excuse of an "argument" makes my case that much stronger.

If you're feeling froggy then you go quote my posts then put a bold tag around where I said low blows didn't have an effect on the outcome of a fight. Or whatever you're pretending I said.
hey, chad, you are pretty new here, so let me clue you into a couple things.

1. rayratchet is every bad name in the book you can think of to describe him. he is a troublemaker, revisionist, likes to cuss, speaks in some sort of different language and can never be taken seriously with any of his opinions because of the way he lays out his arguments in absolute ways.
2. don't get into arguments with sdot, swizzy, endzone, ratchet, and a host of other corny sounding names, cause they are all rayratchet! he'll try to tell you they aren't, but just look at the way they post and the way they put emphasis on certain words and type the same. Its not hard to tell at all
3. He will attempt to keep you in the argument, but don't let him. He will be snide and try to goad you into it, don't let him. When he enters the conversation, i usually just ignore him, unless he is aggravating other people in the conversation, such as now.
4. I think mosley won the fight 7-5. Although, i can see the score going both ways, either for cotto or against him. I agree with you that this fight showed that cotto can hang with the big boys, that said, margo is gonna kill him.
5. Lastly, refrain from dropping to his level bro. don't call him an idiot or a tard or anything like that, because it just takes you to his level, stay above it bro. It makes your arguments that much harder to combat when you keep it on an intellectual level and you'll attract a more intelligent person to discuss this with too.

[rayratchet]

WOW no matter how HARD I try and IGNORE YOU I continue to find myself the subject of ALMOST ALL your post kinda weird the way YOU appear to be fixated with me and what's with YOU talking about ATTRACTING PEOPLE you do REALIZE that everyone here is MALE right???