Kelly Pavlik ducks..........Paul Williams???!!!

[korey1980]

According to eastside boxing Kelly Pavlik has turned down a proposed fight against Paul Williams. Kelly is not afraid of Paul, he is just looking for bigger name fights, I dont blame him.

[Chadness]

Paul Williams is insane.

I mean.. he'd have a decent shot and all... he's just insane though. Too bad Floyd didn't have his balls.

[korey1980]

I dont even think he stands a chance. Definitely has alot of confindence/balls.

[King-Of-Kings]

Ducking is not the word to use cause pavlik has gotten in the ring with MIRANDA, and TAYLOR which are much stronger than paul williams .

If i was middleweight champ, why would i fight somebody that is originally from 147 weight class and is not the undisputed champ at that weight ? Nothing to gain and a lot to lose so its not DUCKING , its common sense.

[korey1980]

Ducking is not the word to use cause pavlik has gotten in the ring with MIRANDA, and TAYLOR which are much stronger than paul williams .

If i was middleweight champ, why would i fight somebody that is originally from 147 weight class and is not the undisputed champ at that weight ? Nothing to gain and a lot to lose so its not DUCKING , its common sense.

Yeah, I know ducking is not the right teminology, but I sparked a few peoples interest, and got people to join the discussion, so why not.

So do you defend Joe for not fighting Kelly as well? Because the weight difference is actually two pounds more. I see zero difference between the two fights not being made. Kelly doesnt want to give a guy(Paul) coming up in weight a shot, and Joe doesnt want to give a guy(Kelly) a shot. Is Kelly gonna get crucified like Joe is getting in every boxing site? Probably not. I for one, see the reasoning behind the two fights not being made.

[King-Of-Kings]

Korey ,

I wasnt faulting you in making this thread because the info you got was from a different source, all im saying is that ducking is not the right word that they use when both JOE and PAVLIK have fought tough fighters to get where they are at and its just too much risk to take on other good fighters from different weight classes who are not even champs at their own weight. IF they were champions then there is something to think about but until williams is claimed the best at 147 or 154 whichever weight he wants to be at , until then i see no point against pavlik who everybody knows is the real deal at middleweight.

Maybe williams wants to move to 160 cause he knows the competition is too hard at welter? Id rather see cotto vs williams but that might get ugly for williams going home with broken rib.

DO i fault JOE for not taking pavlik fight ? No, and i certaintly will be the last guy to say hes ducking kelly.

[korey1980]

Korey ,

I wasnt faulting you in making this thread because the info you got was from a different source, all im saying is that ducking is not the right word that they use when both JOE and PAVLIK have fought tough fighters to get where they are at and its just too much risk to take on other good fighters from different weight classes who are not even champs at their own weight. IF they were champions then there is something to think about but until williams is claimed the best at 147 or 154 whichever weight he wants to be at , until then i see no point against pavlik who everybody knows is the real deal at middleweight.

Maybe williams wants to move to 160 cause he knows the competition is too hard at welter? Id rather see cotto vs williams but that might get ugly for williams going home with broken rib.

DO i fault JOE for not taking pavlik fight ? No, and i certaintly will be the last guy to say hes ducking kelly.

I understand your outlook, and you make some good points. A fight with Williams does not make sense right now for Pavlik. And I dont blame him for not taking the fight at all. But I dont see why people think Joe is taking an easy fight by fighting Jones. Jones is a veteran, that is a very smart fighter. Fighting an all-time great is never an easy task. I'd rather fight a guy with far less experience, because they have more trouble adjusting to different style fighters. Jones has seen, and beat every style fighter there is, Kelly has not.

[pipioz]

It is not ducking dude, that fight doesn't make sense 4 Pavlik.

The word duck is for Floyd

[korey1980]

Thanks, but, I already made that clear

[Goodfella2279]

I would actually be interested to see Pavlik vs. Williams. I see Kelly winning that fight, but it's an interesting fight. But I also agree that Williams is not really much of a draw outside of the die hard boxing community, so the fight isn't that financially viable to Pavlik.

I read that Kelly was considering a fight with Sergio Mora. I don't think this fight is going to happen because Forrest is lobbying to use his rematch clause right away, preventing Mora from fighting Mosely and making a fight with Pavlik possibly unlikely. But I don't like Mora as an opponent for Pavlik either. Mora's got an awkward, somewhat ugly style that will either make for a boring fight or will frustrate Pavlik. I don't see Mora winning that fight, but it seems like a tough sell to try to get people excited about Kelly fighting a guy with 5 knockouts and an unappealing style. The fact that Mora is known through the Contender is a plus, but if I were Pavlik I would fight another mandatory and set up a big showdown with Abraham early next year. If he can't get Joe in the ring, might as well set yourself up to fight Arthur.

[rayratchet]

Pavlik SCARED how could he just DUCK Paul like that I just LOST all RESPECT for that dude

[patientsnake]

Pavlik SCARED how could he just DUCK Paul like that I just LOST all RESPECT for that dude

I hope that is sarcasm.

[rayratchet]

Nah i'm just saying 1 guy turns down a fight & it's oh he's scared or he's ducking him then Pavlik does it & it's OK i'm just NOT with the whole DOUBLE STANDARD thing

[patientsnake]

Nah i'm just saying 1 guy turns down a fight & it's oh he's scared or he's ducking him then Pavlik does it & it's OK i'm just NOT with the whole DOUBLE STANDARD thing

If your talking about Mayweather, it is far from a double standard. Cotto is deserving of a fight with Floyd. I don't think it would be fair to say Pavlik is ducking Williams, when he hasn't done enough to deserve a fight. Pavlik has some better fights on his plate right now with the possibilities of Calzaghe (which seems all but dead in the water) and Abraham. Mayweather doesn't really have an excuse, except retiring. Cotto would bring a big payday and excellent competition. Refusing to fight him would be ducking.

[TDEEZY58]

There is a slight double standard but that fight wouldn't make any sense. Williams would get KO'd in 7 or less. He doesn't move his head enough he'd be facing a guy that's long just like he is. He'd have no answer to the straight right which is Pavlik's best punch.

Williams is fishing right now because Shane is talking with Mayorga which I think is a joke. Oscar wants no part of him. Him and Berto aren't big enough to fill any arena in the US. Williams needs to beat someone with a name. Mosley would have been perfect and I don't see how people aren't lambasting Mosley for taking a fight with Mayorga and at the same time consider him a top 5 welterweight. Besides Williams not being a big enough draw give one good reason why Mosley is chasing down Paul Williams? Mosley has plenty of money and fighting Mayorga does nothing for his legacy.

[patientsnake]

There is a slight double standard but that fight wouldn't make any sense. Williams would get KO'd in 7 or less. He doesn't move his head enough he'd be facing a guy that's long just like he is. He'd have no answer to the straight right which is Pavlik's best punch.

Williams is fishing right now because Shane is talking with Mayorga which I think is a joke. Oscar wants no part of him. Him and Berto aren't big enough to fill any arena in the US. Williams needs to beat someone with a name. Mosley would have been perfect and I don't see how people aren't lambasting Mosley for taking a fight with Mayorga and at the same time consider him a top 5 welterweight. Besides Williams not being a big enough draw give one good reason why Mosley is chasing down Paul Williams? Mosley has plenty of money and fighting Mayorga does nothing for his legacy.

It may not be a big draw, but I for one, would watch Berto vs. Williams.

[TDEEZY58]

It may not be a big draw, but I for one, would watch Berto vs. Williams.

All of us that are boxing fans would, but the excuse we would get is nobody would watch it. I'd watch it for free on HBO simply because Berto nor Williams has done anything to deserve to be on PPV. If Williams gives few more early KO's he might get to that level. He's got to work on his public speaking. His interviews are hard to watch. Berto needs a wins over at least 2 top tier welterweights before he gets any serious consideration as a recognized champ. No more B level opponents for either of them.

[korey1980]

Berto needs a wins over at least 2 top tier welterweights before he gets any serious consideration as a recognized champ. No more B level opponents for either of them.

Agreed. As for those wins you are talking about, I think they would have to come against the loser of the Cotto/Margo battle, then against whoever won the Cotto/Margo fight. Berto cannot be even mentioned in the lineal champ conversation without beating both men. Afterwards a Williams fight, or whoever beats Williams fight is an absolute must(imo).

[Goodfella2279]

I would love to see Berto vs. Williams, but I agree I wouldn't pay for it. But Williams is the kind of test I want for Berto. Berto would have all kinds of issues with Williams height and reach, but has the speed and movement to give Williams the same type of trouble that he had with Quintana (the 1st time. ) Also, I totally agree that Mosely fighting Mayorga is pretty pointless. Mosely wants a win over a name guy and a former champ, but beating Mayorga isn't going to do anything for his legacy. And loosing to him may negatively affect it. Much like the Calzaghe-Jones fight, this is a no win situation for Mosely.

[TDEEZY58]

Mayorga isn't even marginal anymore.

[korey1980]

Mayorga isn't even marginal anymore.

I dont understand why big name fighters keep fighting this guy. Him beating that version Vargas means nothing to anyone, does Mosley actually think hes going to be in the ring with a rejuvenated Mayorga. This fight just makes no sense to me.

[King-Of-Kings]

for some reason, i think mayorga is a C level fighter but i just love watching his fights...so much hype and drama when mayorga is fighting.

[Goodfella2279]

I have a like / can't stand stance on Mayorga. On the one hand, the guy is agreesive, comes to fight, and brings excitement to the event. On the other hand, he's one of the most disrespectful fighters I've ever seen. It's one thing to talk smack about your opponents, but this guy hates on their family, their wives, everything. And it's not even funny, like Ali was. It's just disrespectful and just makes him look like an ***. Mosely fighting him makes no sense. He barely beat a overweight, past his prime Vargas. I don't see him beating Mosely unless Mosely gets stupid and gets caught.