Roy Jones Jr. vs Joe Calzaghe scheduled for Sept. 20th

[korey1980]

This fight is one alot of people are criticizing for even taking place. I, for one think Jones has a very good chance of winning, and possibly by stoppage. Its just too bad it didnt happen 8-10 years ago when both were in their primes. If it did the winner would get alot more praise from the boxing public, and would actually prove who the better fighter was. But now, Jones is well past his prime, and Joe is kinda at the point in his career where if he lost, age could be considered as a reason for losing for some viewers. I see it as a lose-lose situation for Joe, and the exact opposite for Jones.

[Goodfella2279]

This to me is a no win fight for Calzaghe. If he beats Jones, then he's beaten 2 older fighters past their prime in a row. If he loses to Jones, then everyone will say Joe isn't as good as everyone thought. Jones has a chance, but I still see Calzaghe winning this fight and would have rather seen Joe fight Pavlik. Oh well, I'll still watch it unless they are charging a arm and a leg for it on PPV. I just don't think Jones is the same fighter he once was and against Calzaghe, it's going to be an extremely tough fight for him to win. I would love for Jones to find his past form and put on a brilliant performance. I just have a hard time seeing that happen.

On another note, if this fight happened 6-8 years ago Jones would have dominated Joe. Too much speed, power, and skill.

[korey1980]

This to me is a no win fight for Calzaghe. If he beats Jones, then he's beaten 2 older fighters past their prime in a row. If he loses to Jones, then everyone will say Joe isn't as good as everyone thought. Jones has a chance, but I still see Calzaghe winning this fight and would have rather seen Joe fight Pavlik. Oh well, I'll still watch it unless they are charging a arm and a leg for it on PPV. I just don't think Jones is the same fighter he once was and against Calzaghe, it's going to be an extremely tough fight for him to win. I would love for Jones to find his past form and put on a brilliant performance. I just have a hard time seeing that happen.

On another note, if this fight happened 6-8 years ago Jones would have dominated Joe. Too much speed, power, and skill.

I would love to watch Pavlik fight Joe Calzaghe as well, but its not gonna happen. For people to say Pavlik would destroy Joe, are just talking out of their asses. Kelly fights at middleweight, who knows how much pop he would have at 175. He wouldnt be walking through opponents like he did at middleweight, I can guarantee that. I think Kelly needs to beat Abraham, then go from there. He does not deserve a shot at the 175 pound king right now. If it was the supermiddleweight division Kelly was dominating, I would say Kelly vs. Joe needs to happen right now, but Kelly isnt, so why does he deserve a shot at the 175 pound king? Move up to supermiddleweight, dominate, then you get a shot at the ruler 1 weightclass north.

[patientsnake]

I don't think this is a no win fight for Joe. He will win in his bank account. This fight will bring more money than Pavlik.

[rayratchet]

I think SSSSSNAKE is right about the $$$ in the BANK part however ya'll already kno I think ROY will WASH cali gurl up :box: so he'll NEED something to make him feel better after that FIGHT :D

[korey1980]

I don't think this is a no win fight for Joe. He will win in his bank account. This fight will bring more money than Pavlik.

Thats true, thats probably the only reason Joe is taking this fight. However I think Joe is underestimating Jones, and will take a seat on the mat more than once in the fight. Anybody read the RJ interview on boxingtalk today? He said he's willing to fight Sam Peter, after he fights Joe ! C'mon Roy, quit talking out of your ***. You'd be crushed! Anyways, what makes you think you're a big enough draw, that a heavyweight champion would care if you wanted a title shot? What a nut!!!

[Goodfella2279]

Jones is definitely a bigger draw than Kelly right now. So financially, the fight does make sense for Joe. My fear is that Joe will only fight 1 or 2 more fights and retire before we get to see him vs. Pavlik. Calzaghe has been talking a lot about retirement and his legacy lately, so I'm thinking that he's probably not going to fight much more than 2 more or so.

As far as Jones talking about moving up and fighting guys like Peter, I think he's really got to put where he is into perspective. He's around 40, with erroded skills who has been knocked out twice. He's still a tough, good veteran fighter but moving up to heavyweight for him would be suicide. The Joe Calzaghe fight is a great one for Jones. He's in a no lose situation. He's probably going to be the underdog, so if he wins, then he shocks the world. Loses, and it really doesn't tarnish his legacy. He's still going to be considered one of the best fighters of the modern era and fighting Joe can only add to that. It really can't take it away. Plus, and I could be wrong about this, but isn't Jones the naturally bigger guy? I'm not sure, but if so it's another advantage. So it's an intersting fight, but I would much rather see Joe vs. Kelly.

[rayratchet]

hmm maybe the fact that

1)he's a LEGEND
2)the HW division is WEAK an arguably the WORST division as far as FAN interest goes
3)Sam Peter NOT a House Hold name & could use all the exposure he could get especially if ROY looks like YUNG ROY in the back to CALI fight
4)$$$$
those maybe some of the "REASONS" why he would :think: Peter would be interested

[rayratchet]

everything YOU just said about the ROY vs cali gurl fight is TRU about if he was to fight Peter he would be the underdog so if WON then he SHOCK the WORLD & Losing to a HW as BIG & STRONG as Peter really wouldn't tarnish his Legacy (BEING that NONE of YOU think he can WIN) he's STILL gonna be consider 1 of the BEST fighters in the modern era & fighting peter can only add to that it really can't take away

[korey1980]

Jones is definitely a bigger draw than Kelly right now. So financially, the fight does make sense for Joe. My fear is that Joe will only fight 1 or 2 more fights and retire before we get to see him vs. Pavlik. Calzaghe has been talking a lot about retirement and his legacy lately, so I'm thinking that he's probably not going to fight much more than 2 more or so.

As far as Jones talking about moving up and fighting guys like Peter, I think he's really got to put where he is into perspective. He's around 40, with erroded skills who has been knocked out twice. He's still a tough, good veteran fighter but moving up to heavyweight for him would be suicide. The Joe Calzaghe fight is a great one for Jones. He's in a no lose situation. He's probably going to be the underdog, so if he wins, then he shocks the world. Loses, and it really doesn't tarnish his legacy. He's still going to be considered one of the best fighters of the modern era and fighting Joe can only add to that. It really can't take it away. Plus, and I could be wrong about this, but isn't Jones the naturally bigger guy? I'm not sure, but if so it's another advantage. So it's an intersting fight, but I would much rather see Joe vs. Kelly.

Good post man. And I agree 100%. As far as Jones and Calzaghe's size difference, it is minimal. Joe might be an inch taller with a slightly longer reach. Jones is definitely the more muscular of the two. I'd say there are no real size advantages on either side. Joe is listed as 6'0 but looked shorter than Hopkins who is also listed at 6'0".

[Goodfella2279]

Rayratchet, him fighting a guy like Peter is a lose situation for Jones because Peter is a huge puncher that could really hurt Jones bad. You are right that his legacy wouldn't be tarnished whether he won or lost against Peter but his quality of life and health could be compromised. This is not the Roy Jones of Late 90's and early 2000's, with blinding speed who could box circles around whomever he faced. Him facing a guy like Peter, who has a huge punch, could be very dangerous because Jones isn't as fast as he used to be. And being a Roy Jones fan, I don't want to see him go out like that.

[rayratchet]

GF YOU are absolutely right about that but 1 usually when a guy SUFFERS serious injuries in BOXING it's from taking a MULTIPLE POWER SHOTS we've all seen the LOSES for Jones so there is NO WAY that if he was to get caught by Peter he would be able to stand long enough to take a BARRAGE of PUNCHES

[rayratchet]

2nd RJJR been my favorite fighter for years & STILL is with PBF coming in at a CLOSE 2nd so I DON'T wanna see him HURT either what i'm saying depending on how he LOOKS in the cali gurl fight if he comes any where close to RETURNING to his prior SELF & he feels that he can BEAT Peter than that's all I need to hear cuz if he can find away to get close to the level he was at ( he was so far ahead of the game) if he can get close too it then I think he can find away to pull off a VICTORY over the BULLY

[korey1980]

Rayratchet, him fighting a guy like Peter is a lose situation for Jones because Peter is a huge puncher that could really hurt Jones bad. You are right that his legacy wouldn't be tarnished whether he won or lost against Peter but his quality of life and health could be compromised. This is not the Roy Jones of Late 90's and early 2000's, with blinding speed who could box circles around whomever he faced. Him facing a guy like Peter, who has a huge punch, could be very dangerous because Jones isn't as fast as he used to be. And being a Roy Jones fan, I don't want to see him go out like that.

Yeah, any real Jones fan that has seen Jones lose by ko twice, dont want to see him fight one of the biggest punchers in the world. Jones is not heavyweight material, by any means. He never shouldve ventured there in the first place, as far as I'm concerned.

[Goodfella2279]

Ray, I do see your point about it possibly taking only one punch and that Jones wouldn't be taking a barrage of shots. But at the same time, it's a bad fight for Jones. Peter is too big and Roy is not the same fighter. Even if Peter lands one huge shot, Jones could still be hurt. I don't want to see that happen. I hope that if Roy beats Joe, that he'll look to fight guys in his own division. And I do agree with Korey that Jones is simply too small for Heavyweight. He beat Ruiz, who is an absolute garbage fighter in my opinion. I'm not taking anything away from Jones for moving to heavyweight and winning that fight, but to me Peter is twice the fighter Ruiz is, plus is a much bigger puncher. I would be apprehensive if Jones fought a guy like Peter in Jones' prime. But the thought of him getting in the ring with him in his 40's really makes me uneasy. That being said, Jones has Calzaghe in front of him and the Peter fight probably won't happen. But it's fun to speculate.

[rayratchet]

indeed it is :D

[korey1980]

GF YOU are absolutely right about that but 1 usually when a guy SUFFERS serious injuries in BOXING it's from taking a MULTIPLE POWER SHOTS we've all seen the LOSES for Jones so there is NO WAY that if he was to get caught by Peter he would be able to stand long enough to take a BARRAGE of PUNCHES

Look at Jeremy Williams, he cant fight in some states because of the 1 shot he took from Peter.

[TDEEZY58]

Does Roy really want to step in the ring with a man called the "Nigerian Nightmare"? All it takes is one shot. Peter last fight shows he becoming more accurate and punching at different angles. One over hand right from Peter and its lights out.

Jones has a shot at Calzaghe given the fact that I don't think Calzaghe can hurt Jones with one punch but Jones can. B-Hop shook Calzaghe more than once. I think Jones can do the same. However, Jones work rate has to go up. He's gonna have to throw 45-50 punches a round and 10-15 of them are gonna have be power shots that do some damage either to the body or the head. He's gonna have to touch Calzaghe every chance he gets. He can't stand there and put the ear muffs on.

[rayratchet]

1st DON'T compare ROY to what's his name

2nd WTF YOU mean a TRUE fan wouldn't want to see that fight

[korey1980]

1st DON'T compare ROY to what's his name

2nd WTF YOU mean a TRUE fan wouldn't want to see that fight

Because Roy WOULD be hurt badly, thats why. You are out of touch with reality. WAKE THE **** UP!!!!!!! Most think Jones ko losses to Tarver, and Johnson caused a slight brain injury. Do you not pay attention to anything besides who wins and loses? No one(smart) could be happy if that fight ever takes place, and I guarantee hbo and showtime will not televise it.

[korey1980]

Here's a fact for you. Jones was kayoed brutally by Gerald Mccellan in the amateurs at 154 pounds, Sam Peter is 100 pounds more and hits twice as hard. Do the math, unless you would actually enjoy watching Jones suffer a G-man type injury, or quite possibly something worse.

[Goodfella2279]

It's pretty obvious, hopefully, that if Jones loses this fight he will retire. But even if he wins, I'm not sure he should fight for much longer, if at all. I mean, how great would it be for Jones to go out beating one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world and adding to his legacy.

Jones should definitely not move up to Heavyweight. That would be the dumbest thing he could do.

[rayratchet]

aight watch your MOUTH when you address me you startin to get out character cuz you & I BOTH KNOW you WON'T say that ISH to my FACE you startin to LOOK like a P**** ****IN out your LIPS like that see I tried to keep ISH civil but YOU want to keep throwing insults at me like I told you in reference to Banky i'm NOT gonna let that ISH slide so unless you REALLY got a problem with me & would like to express them face 2 face cut that SLICK ISH

[BANKY]

aight watch your MOUTH when you address me you startin to get out character cuz you & I BOTH KNOW you WON'T say that ISH to my FACE you startin to LOOK like a P**** ****IN out your LIPS like that see I tried to keep ISH civil but YOU want to keep throwing insults at me like I told you in reference to Banky i'm NOT gonna let that ISH slide so unless you REALLY got a problem with me & would like to express them face 2 face cut that SLICK ISH
LMAO, why do you guys even acknowledge this kid anymore? Say it to my face?:rotfl: Im not gonna take it anymore?:rotfl: watch your mouth?:rotfl:

this right here is why i have not gotten into this debate guys(korey, snake, goodfellas). Seriously, its a freaking message board and this guy is pretending that he would smash on everyone. Behind his keyboard and look at the disgraceful way he talks. Im gonna snitch on this post and see if he gets banned. then he can come back as tha shop, stopsnitchin,sdot, swizzy or whatever the hell else he calls himself. He constantly refers to calzaghe as cali gurl and shows a fundamental lack of respect. Guys, if you send me a pm, we can all go talk on the site i frequent. It's a place where respectable people can talk boxing and when you have tards like the one in this thread trying to dumb down the place, they get booted quickly.
a thread i made this morning, click me!!!! (http://boxingbb.com/index.php?showtopic=9401)

I will be waiting for you korey and goodfella and patientsnake and anyone else that wants to show up,,,,,,,you can too sdot, swizzy, whatever the hell your name is, you won't last long if you keep this attitude though.

[rayratchet]

fam 1st this is his FAULT saying things like "if I were smart" & a :"TRUE fan wouldn't want this" & CURSING & ISH that DISRESPECT ISH was uncalled for but if that's where he wants to take it then it is what it is

[rayratchet]

ooooooooooh Banky can I come to PLEASE:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

fam I want NO parts of your JUST US LEAGUE

what is this the LITTLE RASCALS you can keep ur HE MAN WOMEN HATERS CLUB it's :cool:

[korey1980]

aight watch your MOUTH when you address me you startin to get out character cuz you & I BOTH KNOW you WON'T say that ISH to my FACE you startin to LOOK like a P**** ****IN out your LIPS like that see I tried to keep ISH civil but YOU want to keep throwing insults at me like I told you in reference to Banky i'm NOT gonna let that ISH slide so unless you REALLY got a problem with me & would like to express them face 2 face cut that SLICK ISH

Yeah, like the last time you told me to come see you, you said you were from Brooklyn, then I saw you say you're from somewhere else. on a different thread. Why you lyin? Whats your real name? Where you really from? I'm from Mason City, IA, and my name is Korey Peters. Seriously. You want it, U come get it. There are alot of cool people on this forum, you are a waste of space.

[Goodfella2279]

I just registered on that other forum. Always up for talking boxing in as many places as possible. Thanks for the invite Banky.

[Charlie Murphy]

I wasn't exactly pleased when I heard Jones-Calzaghe was happening, but its set in stone now, so I'll try to look forward to it, I'm pretty certain Joe will win, but I love Jones too, he's one of the best of all time, so I'll be rooting for them both when the fight comes around :)

[Goodfella2279]

I would love it if Jones put on a great show and looked like the prime Jones that we enjoyed when he was the most dominant fighter in the sport. The problem is that Jones isn't that fighter anymore and Calzaghe is still fighting at a very high level. We'll see who wins, I guess. But Joe's got to be the favorite.

[swizzy]

RJJR will WASH cali gurl in sept we shall all be witness 2 a MASTER at work

a wise man once said U ain't gotta like me YOU just MAD cuz I tell it how it is & you tell it how it might be

[CircleChange11]

I would love it if Jones put on a great show and looked like the prime Jones that we enjoyed when he was the most dominant fighter in the sport. The problem is that Jones isn't that fighter anymore and Calzaghe is still fighting at a very high level. We'll see who wins, I guess. But Joe's got to be the favorite.

Sugar Ray showed us that a mega talented fighter can come back and put everything together for one magical night. I don't think that Jones's skills have diminished to the point where he wil take abuse. It wil likely be a competetive fight.

With these fighters, regardless of who wins or loses, it should be entertaining.

[nickelzdropdimes]

yeah Roy should look good early ..but I'm more worried on the length of the fight...i dont think this fight goes past 8...both of these guys are well known finishers so if it hits nine i'll sit watch what happens

and like some one said earlier, these guys are past their prime..but still deadly!.....so it should be a good fight .....

i just the hope the undercards are entertaining as well

[korey1980]

Sugar Ray showed us that a mega talented fighter can come back and put everything together for one magical night. I don't think that Jones's skills have diminished to the point where he wil take abuse. It wil likely be a competetive fight.

With these fighters, regardless of who wins or loses, it should be entertaining.

What it all comes down to is that Jones(still) is a type of fighter that Joe has never seen(someone with more speed and power than himself). Jones can and does still put together some good combinations, and that will trouble Joe. Jones is just flat out, more talented than Joe, in every department.

[CircleChange11]

What it all comes down to is that Jones(still) is a type of fighter that Joe has never seen(someone with more speed and power than himself). Jones can and does still put together some good combinations, and that will trouble Joe. Jones is just flat out, more talented than Joe, in every department.

I used the words "mega talented" to describe Jones. He's not just talented, but "mega" talented ... the kinda talent you might see every 25 years or so (or longer).

The only question about Jones is his chin. The challenge is to actually catch him flush. But, I don;t think we've seen Jones display an ability to take a great punch. The intrigue in the fight, like most Jones fights, is wether the opponent (joe) can catch him with a good one.

On occassion Jones has also (seemingly) displayed the desire to leave the ring looking the exact same as he did entering it. By that I mean, he unwillingness to "mix it up" with some give and take versus just Jones overwhelming his opponents with his hand speed and barrage of punches. There's the other intrigue ... can Joe force Jones to sit down and slug on occassion. In the past, Jones could just move all fight and use his speed and punch variety to confuse and damage his opponents. I'm not sure if he'll be able to move like "Ol RJ" for the vast majority of the fight. If he does, it could be a boring fight, with Jones evading like Sweet Pea and landing enough punches to win each round.

[korey1980]

I used the words "mega talented" to describe Jones. He's not just talented, but "mega" talented ... the kinda talent you might see every 25 years or so (or longer).

The only question about Jones is his chin. The challenge is to actually catch him flush. But, I don;t think we've seen Jones display an ability to take a great punch. The intrigue in the fight, like most Jones fights, is wether the opponent (joe) can catch him with a good one.

On occassion Jones has also (seemingly) displayed the desire to leave the ring looking the exact same as he did entering it. By that I mean, he unwillingness to "mix it up" with some give and take versus just Jones overwhelming his opponents with his hand speed and barrage of punches. There's the other intrigue ... can Joe force Jones to sit down and slug on occassion. In the past, Jones could just move all fight and use his speed and punch variety to confuse and damage his opponents. I'm not sure if he'll be able to move like "Ol RJ" for the vast majority of the fight. If he does, it could be a boring fight, with Jones evading like Sweet Pea and landing enough punches to win each round.

I expect Jones to try and keep the fight in close, where he knows that Joe leaves gaping wholes in his defense when he squares up(like Hopkins did). Joe hasnt fought anybody that has been able to capitalize on that major flaw, until he faught B-hop. I expect Jones to capitalize on that flaw, and pick his shots somewhat carefully. Joe knows that Jones(still) is probably the biggest puncher he's faced, and quickest. If anything, I think those two factors alone could keep Joe honest, and maybe even a tad more cautious than we've ever seen him. Joe is ripe for the picking, and is facing someone who is great at making his opponents fight his style of fight. I'm not expecting a firefight, I think the action could be somewhat fast paced for the first couple of rounds, then one of the two men will gain control of the fight and set the pace. I think that man will be Jones. Jones by late round stoppage, or Jones by UD. Thats my prediction.

[nickelzdropdimes]

he'a lucky he didnt see b-hop in his prime.....Roy barely got away!

[korey1980]

he'a lucky he didnt see b-hop in his prime.....Roy barely got away!

Barely got by Hopkins? Jones beat him decisively, and B-hop openly admits that Jones beat him. In fact Jones is the only person B-hop admits he clearly lost to. It wasnt a close fight(imo).

[nickelzdropdimes]

RJJ never fought him again ...thats the point i meant to make...at that time roy did win...with one hand and did what he had to do..but he never wanted to fight him again..he knew he was figured out...

[korey1980]

Figured out? Gimme a break!! Hopkins didnt have the speed to catch Jones flush, and didnt have the power to knock him out. Jones beats Hopkins to the punch because hes much faster, and has better reflexes. Jones wouldve beat him again in basically the same exact fight. If you beat someone decisively, why is there a need for a rematch? The fighter who lost the fight shouldve done it right the first time.

[ray_glenn]

There's no question in my mind that RJJ in his prime would have waxed a prime Joe Calzhage. That being said, neither fighter will be in their prime in September's bout, and I think RJJ, whose style relies more on athleticism than sound fundamental boxing, is probably a bit worse for wear than Calzhage. Boxers who rely on sheer physical advantages (such as Tyson, Iran Barkley, etc.) don't nearly age as well in the ring as their less athletic albeit savvier counterparts (B-Hop, Sugar Ray Leonard).

[CircleChange11]

The thing about Tyson is that we never saw him tested in his prime because the division was so weak. So, we don't "really" know how good he was in his prime. We do know that against bigger fighters with talent, his record was not so good, only managing wins againt Razor.

[TDEEZY58]

RJJ never fought him again ...thats the point i meant to make...at that time roy did win...with one hand and did what he had to do..but he never wanted to fight him again..he knew he was figured out...


They tried many times to make a second fight. The most recent deal on the table was a 60/40 split to the winner. Roy stated this in a interview with with Brian Kenny on Fri Night Fights the weekend of the B-hop/Calzaghe fight. Roy agreed, Hopkins didn't. Hopkins wanted it 50/50. Maybe he didn't think he could beat Roy or else he would have taken the deal. It looks like you're mistaken. Roy did want to fight him again.

[korey1980]

They tried many times to make a second fight. The most recent deal on the table was a 60/40 split to the winner. Roy stated this in a interview with with Brian Kenny on Fri Night Fights the weekend of the B-hop/Calzaghe fight. Roy agreed, Hopkins didn't. Hopkins wanted it 50/50. Maybe he didn't think he could beat Roy or else he would have taken the deal. It looks like you're mistaken. Roy did want to fight him again.

Not only that, but when Jones became a major star Hopkins thought he deserved to get parity then, as well. Hopkins called out Jones on a daily basis for years, but did not have the star power or following that Jones did, yet he still thought he deserved half? Thats dumb!! Hopkins negotiating skills were terrible for most of the 90's, in which he blew his chances at big name fights, by thinking and demanding too much of the pie. I remember Hopkins being criticized in articles for being such a crude negotiator.

[nickelzdropdimes]

Figured out? Gimme a break!! Hopkins didnt have the speed to catch Jones flush, and didnt have the power to knock him out. Jones beats Hopkins to the punch because hes much faster, and has better reflexes. Jones wouldve beat him again in basically the same exact fight. If you beat someone decisively, why is there a need for a rematch? The fighter who lost the fight shouldve done it right the first time.
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so you're saying that when tarver knocked his *** out he shouldnt give roy a rematch? or how about glen johnson?both of those guys did the same thing to win.......Benard recognized that but because Roy swiitched up with broken hand fight he stayed away and outside..yes he's fast and one of the fastest i've ever seen....but he does leave room for error...truth?

[CircleChange11]

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so you're saying that when tarver knocked his *** out he shouldnt give roy a rematch? or how about glen johnson?both of those guys did the same thing to win.......Benard recognized that but because Roy swiitched up with broken hand fight he stayed away and outside..yes he's fast and one of the fastest i've ever seen....but he does leave room for error...truth?

He left room for error against Johnson, for sure. That was NOTa mighty right hand that knocked Jones out (waay out). That was a standard-issue straight right. The left hook that tarver KO'd Jones w/ would have likely taken down any light heavy.

It'll be interesting to see if Joe punches as Jones is coming in, instead of covering up (like most of Roy's opponents) and letting Jones pitty-pat them with 4-6 punch combos, featuring a couple of real (power) punches. When guys have thrown as Jones was throwing, they have had success. When they sit and wait for Jones to leave himself wide open, they get picked apart.

I'm not sure if Jones has slowed enough for people to catch him while Jones is being defensive, but they can certainly have the opportunity to catch him if they are willing to throw when Roy is throwing.

[nickelzdropdimes]

the fight inside is where its at for me.......if it actually happens that way..

[lovesnikes]

roy jones is one of my favorite fighters of all time and if he won this fight he would be about number 2 on my list but i dont know if he can win since he has gotten older he has become to defensive and less aggressive thats why he lost to tarver but hopefully he can pull off the upset:box:

[korey1980]

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so you're saying that when tarver knocked his *** out he shouldnt give roy a rematch? or how about glen johnson?both of those guys did the same thing to win.......Benard recognized that but because Roy swiitched up with broken hand fight he stayed away and outside..yes he's fast and one of the fastest i've ever seen....but he does leave room for error...truth?

A 3rd fight wasnt needed, due to the fact of how the second one turned out. Jones won the first fight, thats the only reason the fight happened, plus the fact that Tarver has no fan base, and he wanted a fight against the only marketable light heavyweight at the time(maybe still) in Jones. What room for error did Jones leave in his prime? He hardly lost any rounds because he was so agile and one of the hardest guys to hit flush, EVER(in his prime).

[nickelzdropdimes]

yep roy is very hard to figure out ....but remember tarver also beat him when they were both young coming into pro boxing...seriously....and there was a reason why that fight took so long happen..its not all about money or else he would fought hopkins again.........that would have been a bigger draw.(remember the infamous 60 40 line?)........tarver is not a big draw even when he runs his mouth...i'd like to see if him and chad can go at it .....thats interesting to me

[korey1980]

yep roy is very hard to figure out ....but remember tarver also beat him when they were both young coming into pro boxing...seriously....and there was a reason why that fight took so long happen..its not all about money or else he would fought hopkins again.........that would have been a bigger draw.(remember the infamous 60 40 line?)........tarver is not a big draw even when he runs his mouth...i'd like to see if him and chad can go at it .....thats interesting to me

Tarver and Jones fought Jones once in the amateurs, and that was when they were 13 years old. Jones won that fight, and Tarver quit boxing for 10 years because of the loss. You got the wrong info somewhere. They are the same age, but Tarver didnt turn pro till '97, Jones '89. Tarver vs Dawson is an interesting fight cuz it will either mean there will be a changing of the guard(Dawson wins), or another fight where the old veteran shows his ring experience, and puts on one last dominant performance. I think I'll go with the young Dawson as the winner of that fight, but it could easily go either way.

[nickelzdropdimes]

13 is right... i thought it it was 20....my bad....

[BANKY]

Tarver quit to do crack and be a gangsta, right?:cool:

[Charlie Murphy]

How about Johnson gets another crack at Dawson? he deserves it after giving him a hell of a fight, plus many people, including me, thought Johnson deserved the decision.

[korey1980]

Tarver quit to do crack and be a gangsta, right?:cool:

Hahahaha, yep that pretty much sums it up.

[korey1980]

How about Johnson gets another crack at Dawson? he deserves it after giving him a hell of a fight, plus many people, including me, thought Johnson deserved the decision.

Definitely, I thought Johnson won pretty convincingly. Glenn is a much better fighter than his record shows, ask Roy about it. I would also have liked to see him get another crack at B-hop right after Bernard beat down Tarver.

[korey1980]

According to reports in the Uk, Calzaghe has injured his hand and the fight is going to be postponed. Bummer!!

[Charlie Murphy]

Glad someone agrees with that about Johnson beating Dawson, can't see any rematch happening though Korey :( Johson certainly is an excellent fighter, good power, great pressure and workrate, and he still looks great at 39, he's a true blood and guts warrior.

[korey1980]

Glad someone agrees with that about Johnson beating Dawson, can't see any rematch happening though Korey :( Johson certainly is an excellent fighter, good power, great pressure and workrate, and he still looks great at 39, he's a true blood and guts warrior.

I havent seen many fights more controversial than that fight. Glenn is atrue warrior not just because of what he done inside the ring, and his willingness to go anywhere and fight, but the fact that he has not given up on the sport that has failed him so many times. Look at Haglar's reaction to the somewhat controversial loss to Leonard. HE RETIRED!! Johnson just keeps going, and calls out all of the best fighters within a reasonable weight. Dawson vs Johnson 2 shouldve been demanded(imo and probably yours as well).

[Charlie Murphy]

Korey - Dawson vs Johnson 2 should've definitely been demanded, with you 100% on that, no doubt about it, I love boxing but there's a few things I hate about the sport, and BS decisions like this and the fact that a rematch wasn't demanded are two prime examples.

[korey1980]

Korey - Dawson vs Johnson 2 should've definitely been demanded, with you 100% on that, no doubt about it, I love boxing but there's a few things I hate about the sport, and BS decisions like this and the fact that a rematch wasn't demanded are two prime examples.

Agreed. Whenever I watch Wednesday or Friday night fights on espn, I see at least 1 fight I disagree with the decision. Its sucks, but it is hilarious when Teddy Atlas blows a gasket each time he disagrees with the decision.

[Charlie Murphy]

lol so true, I love Teddy.

[korey1980]

lol so true, I love Teddy.

That man know his ****. He is probably the smartest announcer when it comes to knowing the sport.