UFC 86 Jackson vs Forrest preditions.........

[shadio3]

I truelly dont know who's gonna win this fight. They both have their own advantages, i just think that forrrest sometimes waits to long to pull the trigger. I want RAMPAGE to win just because he's such a cool champion imo. It would feel boring without rampage as champ.....Im so glad he's in the UFC now, because in pride he wasent able to joke around & be hisself. He had to portray this chain wearin blad headed mean black man (well i guess that is rampage really).

quinton wins & dances..

LINK:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NiKWhKaxYEk

shadio: true boxing fan

[Cool2Fool]

I hate to say it but Quinton Rampage don't look very good in the weigh in :(. He almost have no pecks muscle when looking side way and look totally lack cardio. I agree he's the coolest champion and never seen much of forrest griffin so I'm uncertain but Wanderlei Silva has been training with him and told him about the secret of beating Rampage :)!

[lockupkeeper]

I hate to say it but Quinton Rampage don't look very good in the weigh in :(. He almost have no pecks muscle when looking side way and look totally lack cardio. I agree he's the coolest champion and never seen much of forrest griffin so I'm uncertain but Wanderlei Silva has been training with him and told him about the secret of beating Rampage :)!
I was thinking the EXACT same thing, as far as upper body strength...My wife saw him on ultimate fighter and she said, You're bigger than him--lol----But, we all know weightlifiting don't translate into an AZZ-WHOOPIN...I believe he will win---Because He Has Too...And, let's face it Rampage has been in the ring with the Top Dogs...Griffin has not...:thumbsup:

[Cool2Fool]

I was thinking the EXACT same thing, as far as upper body strength...My wife saw him on ultimate fighter and she said, You're bigger than him--lol----But, we all know weightlifiting don't translate into an AZZ-WHOOPIN...I believe he will win---Because He Has Too...And, let's face it Rampage has been in the ring with the Top Dogs...Griffin has not...:thumbsup:
Rampage was destroy and dominated by other fighters whenever he comes in differently or not 100%. He don't seems motivated about this fight and is way too high confident about himself being tougher, stronger, and uglier!

[lockupkeeper]

True-----But, that give him what every fighter needs "EXPERINCE"---Losing this fight, Would be devastating to his career...Forrest Griffin, I mean come on---Tito could have Killed him, But he didn't have that killer instinct..I respect griffin because of his heart, But we all know, He's been very LUCKY...

[Charlie Murphy]

I dont know much about UFC, only watch it sometimes, but can't wait for tonights fight, I'm picking Rampage to win (he's so cool)

[martyboyuk]

i say jackson too ;)

[Charlie Murphy]

you gonna be watching it Marty mate? luckily I have Sky+ so I'm gonna watch that and record Holt-Torres 2, Setanta have been pretty wicked recently....ROLL on JULY 26th! (Cotto-Margarito) :D :D :D

[martyboyuk]

Yeah im gonna watch it on setanta, thts where im gonna watch this fight tonight, but theres the ricardo torrwe and kendal holt fight on too, gonna have to flick in between them

[shadio3]

WOW, im such a JINX (since hopkins lost).....lisen, all im sayin is i hope it turns out being a full 5 rd fight..i do belive the whole ufc 86 card will turn out wicked.

WELL, TIME TO DRINK!!!.....

go rampage (who said that)...


shadio: true boxing fan

[shadio3]

MY GOD, chris liddell vs josh koscheck was a POOL OF BLOODDddddd....most blood ive ever seen. Dame, i swear if you want BLOOD the ufc is where it's at.

i dont understand why people hate josh so much...

shadio: true boxing fan

[shadio3]

WOW, people have it 47% jackson & 53% griffin to win so far (votes)...........................

let the war begin babyyyyyy.......

shadio: true boxing fan

[PajamasNBeer]

IS it over yet? WHO WON? I must know!

[Cool2Fool]

What did I told you biotches? Haha new champ!

[shadio3]

OMG, rampage got screwed.......THAT's BS tonight & the crowd saw what happened. Forrest won 2 rd's out of 5..wow, im sick..

Forrest by dec

shadio: treu boxing fan

[PajamasNBeer]

Awwww... Fudge.
I was hoping Quinton "Funny Man" Jackson was going to win.

[shadio3]

it was a BS win.....i swear, even the crowd couldent believe what happened...forrest had quintons leg hurt (2nd rd), but never could finish.....quinton got his shi$%t together and justr beat up griffin the whole fight......

THAT was BS......man thaty was BS....

I feel like singing "TEARS I CRIED BEHIND THESE HASEL EYES" by i forget that chicks name...thats how G%^ay that dec was.


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shadio: true boxing fan

[Charlie Murphy]

Just watched the fight, was awesome :D

I'm with Shadio though, I thought Rampage did enough to retain his title, however I'll admit I don't know a lot about scoring MMA fights, but to me it looked like Rampage got in a lot of meaty looking punches, and he definitely hurt Griffin with that uppercut. Griffin got the nod because of his dominant second round and his leg kicks, I think a punch to the head should be favoured over a leg kick though, I'll admit I REALLY wanted Rampage to win as he seems so cool and he's very funny, so I may have been a bit biased in my scoring...Rampage actually said that Griffin kicked his ***, so if he himself says he lost, he must have, he obviously knows more about what went down in there than we ever will.

[shadio3]

Just watched the fight, was awesome :D

I'm with Shadio though, I thought Rampage did enough to retain his title, however I'll admit I don't know a lot about scoring MMA fights, but to me it looked like Rampage got in a lot of meaty looking punches, and he definitely hurt Griffin with that uppercut. Griffin got the nod because of his dominant second round and his leg kicks, I think a punch to the head should be favoured over a leg kick though, I'll admit I REALLY wanted Rampage to win as he seems so cool and he's very funny, so I may have been a bit biased in my scoring...Rampage actually said that Griffin kicked his ***, so if he himself says he lost, he must have, he obviously knows more about what went down in there than we ever will.


no no noooooo.....rampage was being humble, he really won though (quinton is really a good person deep down)...what you dont know is that DANA has had this planed (under the cover) for a while. He wanted rampage to loss that title for his school boy forrest. BUT, the people saw what really happened (im glad about that).....this is some BS...i cant even get into serdog.com right now because i know people are going crazy (dana's gotta be involed with this)........


wow, what a night.....

shadio: true boxing fan

[Cool2Fool]

I don't believe how rampage is so behind in the scoring? Obviously round 2 could be given 10 to forrest and 1 rampage lol? I don't remember rampage landing anything on round 2 so that might be why he lost so much to the judges :(. round 3~4 and rampage 10, forrest 9 and round 5 is the other way around. Or the judges are paid to fixed the fight :/

[Charlie Murphy]

Yeah you have a point about Rampage being humble man, lol you could be right about Dana too. Like I said, when its all said and done, I thought Rampage won, so I'm with you on that one man.

[shadio3]

here is the offical score cards from each JUDGE.....smells like controversy (gambling)..smells like BOXING..smells like to much money is being madeeeeeeee.....smells like basketball ref's behind barssss..


Adalaide Byrd
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Jackson

Nelson Hamilton
Round 1: 10-9 Jackson
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin

Roy Silbert
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-9 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin


OMG, how on gods green earth can ANYONE give the first freakin rd TO GRIFFIN?????....what the freak is that ALL ABOUT. Quinton almost STOPPED forrest in the first. MY new born son could have saw thatttttttttt (and his eyes are CLOSEDDDDDddd).

edit: No i dont have a new born son....
wow

shadio: true boxing fan

[Charlie Murphy]

Jesus...judges never fail to amaze me.....just disgraceful :thumbsdow

Well, we all know who really won that fight.

Shadio I was just about to congratulate you about your son being born lol, luckily I read your edit :cool:

[shadio3]

^^^yeah, this right here is just straight up scaryyyy.....Boxing has really lost alot of my trust due to it's terrible, terrible judging. Now i see a BAD scorecard for the first time in a UFC event (well mamby not the first). Just didnt think that was posible here with only 5 rd's.


lol, sorry about the new born stuff....just found this info & im just FREAKED OUT.

shadio: true boxing fan

[shadio3]

btw here the ufc 86 post fight conference.......

LINK:
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/mixedmartialarts/article_2085763.php


shadio: true boxing fan

[Charlie Murphy]

Yup, boxing judging is just unbelievable sometimes, and now UFC has proved to me that other combat sports can have some seriously messed up judging too.

lol its cool, was quite funny actually.You seem to know a lot about Hopkins man, has he retired now? last thing I heard was talks about him fighting Pavlik.

[Charlie Murphy]

Thanks for the link, listening now.

[shadio3]

Here's the rampage SLAM....he did this on a BAD LEG. He just showed alot of heat last night...

LINK:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/rampa


shadio: true boxing fan

[anESPNfan]

no no noooooo.....rampage was being humble, he really won though (quinton is really a good person deep down)...what you dont know is that DANA has had this planed (under the cover) for a while. He wanted rampage to loss that title for his school boy forrest. BUT, the people saw what really happened (im glad about that).....this is some BS...i cant even get into serdog.com right now because i know people are going crazy (dana's gotta be involed with this)........


wow, what a night.....

shadio: true boxing fan

lol, I was wondering where you're coming from with this conspiracy theory, then I saw sherdog and that explains it all. Sherdog is probably the worst place to go for MMA, stay away from those forums :)

Look had Rampage come into the fight in shape this wouldn't even have gone to the cards. Forrest was a tuneup fight for Rampage, and a way to bolster his fan appeal. Rampage is a big draw in the UFC, so they're not going to screw him over. The decision was pretty legit anyway, although I had it scored as a draw.

[The 504 Refugee]

Decision legit?

I watched it, and no way Forrest takes round 1. The knockdown alone is just as impressive as Forrest's leg kick. In order to be the champ you have to beat the champ. Not the other way around. This fight should have been a draw, the whole world knows that... Even Forrest knows that. Did you see how he reacted when it was over? He knows there is going to HAVE to be a rematch.

Onto something else.... yes Rampage is a classy guy. They both are. If anyone had to take the belt from Jackson, I'm glad it was Forrest. Just hate to see i happen like that.

[TDEEZY58]

here is the offical score cards from each JUDGE.....smells like controversy (gambling)..smells like BOXING..smells like to much money is being madeeeeeeee.....smells like basketball ref's behind barssss..


Adalaide Byrd
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Jackson

Nelson Hamilton
Round 1: 10-9 Jackson
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin

Roy Silbert
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-9 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin


OMG, how on gods green earth can ANYONE give the first freakin rd TO GRIFFIN?????....what the freak is that ALL ABOUT. Quinton almost STOPPED forrest in the first. MY new born son could have saw thatttttttttt (and his eyes are CLOSEDDDDDddd).

edit: No i dont have a new born son....
wow

shadio: true boxing fan

I have to agree. Something smells fishy about not 1 but 2 judges giving Forest the first round after nearly getting knocked out. I don't like the way that looks but if that's the direction that the sport is headed it doesn't look good.

[shadio3]

TEAM RAMPAGE PROTEST....

yep, i knew they were gonna try this. Best of luck to them. I would do the same SH%^&t. Cant let this BS slide............these judges are suspect.

LINK:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=13575


shadio:true boxing fan

[CircleChange11]

I $mell rematch.

[korey1980]

TEAM RAMPAGE PROTEST....

yep, i knew they were gonna try this. Best of luck to them. I would do the same SH%^&t. Cant let this BS slide............these judges are suspect.

LINK:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=13575


shadio:true boxing fan

Quentin is most likely going to get an immediate(next fight) rematch. So screw the protest. He needs to just go in the destroy Griffin, and that alone will prove that even a close fight with Griffin is a fluke. Protesting will just lose him some fans, and make him look like a whiner. It was close, but I highly doubt the decision will be overturned, so whats the point? If he(Rampage) comes into the rematch in shape, Quentin will kayo Griffin(imo). They were talking rematch right after the fight, so its gonna happen.

[anESPNfan]

Actually I think a rematch largely depends on two things

1. PPV results - if a lot of people didn't buy the PPV I doubt they rush a rematch
2. Chuck Liddell - if he beats Rashad Evans I almost guarantee that he fights Forrest next, unless the PPV numbers from Saturday really blows everyone away

[korey1980]

Actually I think a rematch largely depends on two things

1. PPV results - if a lot of people didn't buy the PPV I doubt they rush a rematch
2. Chuck Liddell - if he beats Rashad Evans I almost guarantee that he fights Forrest next, unless the PPV numbers from Saturday really blows everyone away

I doubt if Chuck wins he will get a shot at Griffin before Quentin. Chuck got beat by Quentin by ko, TWICE!!! Chuck does not hold the key to the light heavyweight division anymore. And since Quentins loss was somewhat controversial, I cant see the UFC ordering anything besides a rematch. Especially since Quentin is protesting the loss. A rematch is a must(imo)

[korey1980]

OK, maybe one guy will stand in Quentin's way of getting an immediate rematch. I looked right over Anderson Silva. He could possibly(if he wins his upcoming fight) get a shot at Forrest first. IDK about that either, though.

[anESPNfan]

I doubt if Chuck wins he will get a shot at Griffin before Quentin. Chuck got beat by Quentin by ko, TWICE!!! Chuck does not hold the key to the light heavyweight division anymore. And since Quentins loss was somewhat controversial, I cant see the UFC ordering anything besides a rematch. Especially since Quentin is protesting the loss. A rematch is a must(imo)


I agree that the rematch makes the most sense from a fans/fighters perspective. However, Chuck still does hold the key to the LHW division and here's why.... $$$

That's all it boils down to, the money, and Chuck is by far the UFCs biggest draw and one of Dana's best friends. They're paving the road for Chuck, Rashad is the perfect hand picked opponent to face Chuck. Rashad has excellent wrestling ability, but Chuck will easily negate that and Rashad doesn't pose a threat to him standing.

The guy Chuck should be facing is Machida, but that's a tougher opponent and it's obvious that they want Chuck to get back on track to get a title shot as quickly as possible.

Here's what Machida had to say about the situation:

Directly interested in the Light-heavyweight championship belt, Lyoto Machida disagreed on the judges decision that made Forrest Grifin the new champion. "Look.. to me, Quinton beat Forrest, but they gave it to Forrest. I think the UFC wants a champion that Chuck Liddell can beat, so he can win the belt again.. he is an ex-champion, sells more and has more marketing." said Lyoto, who also analyzed Anderson Silva moving up in weight "I think Anderson can do well in any category, he is fast and very technical, thats his difference from the others." commented Lyoto, who doesn't want to fight his friend. "That doesn't even go through my head. He is a great friend of mine and helps me a lot. He is older than me and always helps me on what to do, I don't want to fight him" ended Lyoto.


There's a lot of pressure on Dana now sense not only fans, but now also his fighters see that they want Chuck back in charge, so it'll be interesting to see what he does. Right now though I guarantee you they're waiting for the PPV numbers and to also see if Chuck wins, which most likely he will.

OK, maybe one guy will stand in Quentin's way of getting an immediate rematch. I looked right over Anderson Silva. He could possibly(if he wins his upcoming fight) get a shot at Forrest first. IDK about that either, though.

It'll still be awhile till he fights for the 205 title, after his match in a couple weeks he's dropping back down to 185 to defend his MW belt.

[korey1980]

I agree that the rematch makes the most sense from a fans/fighters perspective. However, Chuck still does hold the key to the LHW division and here's why.... $$$

That's all it boils down to, the money, and Chuck is by far the UFCs biggest draw and one of Dana's best friends. They're paving the road for Chuck, Rashad is the perfect hand picked opponent to face Chuck. Rashad has excellent wrestling ability, but Chuck will easily negate that and Rashad doesn't pose a threat to him standing.

The guy Chuck should be facing is Machida, but that's a tougher opponent and it's obvious that they want Chuck to get back on track to get a title shot as quickly as possible.

Here's what Machida had to say about the situation:



There's a lot of pressure on Dana now sense not only fans, but now also his fighters see that they want Chuck back in charge, so it'll be interesting to see what he does. Right now though I guarantee you they're waiting for the PPV numbers and to also see if Chuck wins, which most likely he will.



It'll still be awhile till he fights for the 205 title, after his match in a couple weeks he's dropping back down to 185 to defend his MW belt.

That is pretty funny, Machida talking **** like that. I bet the ppv numbers for Jackson vs Griffin were higher than what everyone expects. Quentin is pretty well liked by the public. So I dont see why anyone would want Chuck back on top, and not the guy who ruined him twice. Chuck getting a shot before Rampage would be outrageous, and anger many fans(imo). If Chuck gets the belt back, he cant go far without having to face Quentin again. It reminds me of Oscar getting title shots he doesnt deserve, to be honest. The Chuck " The Golden Boy" Liddell. Anderson could meet his doom trying to jump back and forth through divisions like that. He should stay in one division. Or he will pay the ultimate consequence like RJ did.

[anESPNfan]

Also, just read a recent interview from Anderson and he said that he has no intention of fighting for the 205 belt, so we can rule him out of the Forrest picture, for now at least, who knows if he changes his mind or not.

[Goodfella2279]

I didn't have a problem with the decision because I had Forrest winning 3 rounds to 2 because he was just busier. He was throwing more punches and was very effective with the leg kicks. Jackson was loading up on the big punch and occasional flurry, but Forrest was doing more and controlling the tempo of the fight. What I do have a problem with is the judges giving round 1 to Griffin. Now, I did have Griffin winning round 1 until Quinton landed that huge uppercut, but then the whole round shifted to Jackson. I had Jackson winning rounds 1 and 3, but I didn't think he did enough in rounds 2, 4 or 5 to give him the rounds even though rounds 3 and 4 were very close. All in all it was a good fight and I can't wait for the rematch. But to be honest, Quinton didn't look like himself and I see Jackson winning the rematch. But Forrest has proved me wrong time and time again, so I can't count him out.

[korey1980]

I didn't have a problem with the decision because I had Forrest winning 3 rounds to 2 because he was just busier. He was throwing more punches and was very effective with the leg kicks. Jackson was loading up on the big punch and occasional flurry, but Forrest was doing more and controlling the tempo of the fight. What I do have a problem with is the judges giving round 1 to Griffin. Now, I did have Griffin winning round 1 until Quinton landed that huge uppercut, but then the whole round shifted to Jackson. I had Jackson winning rounds 1 and 3, but I didn't think he did enough in rounds 2, 4 or 5 to give him the rounds even though rounds 3 and 4 were very close. All in all it was a good fight and I can't wait for the rematch. But to be honest, Quinton didn't look like himself and I see Jackson winning the rematch. But Forrest has proved me wrong time and time again, so I can't count him out.

Agreed. MMA is a crazy, and very unpredictable sport. I wouldnt mind seeing a Rampage vs. Wanderlei Silva 3 sometime soon, especially if Quentin get the title back. It would show just how much better Jackson supposedly is now.

[Goodfella2279]

Wow, Silva vs. Jackson 3 would be interesting because Jackson is a much better fighter now then he was then, and Silva doesn't have as many weapons as he used to due to the different rules in the UFC as opposed to Pride. Silva can't utilized kicks and stomps on the ground, which was a significant part of his game. If Jackson was smart and took Silva down, I can see Jackson winning that fight. But if Jackson tries to stand with Wanderlei, he could get knocked out for the third time. Silva's a monster on his feet.

[korey1980]

Wow, Silva vs. Jackson 3 would be interesting because Jackson is a much better fighter now then he was then, and Silva doesn't have as many weapons as he used to due to the different rules in the UFC as opposed to Pride. Silva can't utilized kicks and stomps on the ground, which was a significant part of his game. If Jackson was smart and took Silva down, I can see Jackson winning that fight. But if Jackson tries to stand with Wanderlei, he could get knocked out for the third time. Silva's a monster on his feet.

Yeah, that would be a great fight. I think Quentin's best chance is to keep the fight on their feet though. Look at what he did to Chuck, then look at what Silva couldnt do to Chuck. I think Quentin has the advantage in striking, but he needs to stay away from Silva's clinch, cuz his knees are deadly.

[Goodfella2279]

True. Jackson getting caught in the clinch cost him in the first two fights. I agree that Jackson was able to knockout Liddell while Silva wasn't, but Quinton caught Liddell with a perfect shot right on the point of the chin. Silva just wasn't able to land that perfect shot. I still would give the edge in striking to Silva simply because of the clinch and overall stand up game that Silva has. To me, Jackson is a very good striker but he's an even better wrestler. If he would have been more aggressive and took Forrest down more, he would have won that fight. But Forrest was smart in using leg kicks, taking away Quinton's powerful shot. If Jackson can get Silva on the ground, he would have a great chance to win that fight also if those two ever meet again.

[TDEEZY58]

I think Jackson would beat Sliva in a third fight. Notice the way Chuck beat Silva. He did it with straight punching and he kept Silva off of him with a stiff jab and also threw him off by taking him down. If Quinton establishes a jab and throw straight punches and mixes in some take downs he shouldn't have any problems. I think there a few fighters that can beat Forrest with no problem: Silva ( Wanderlei) , Liddell, Machida, Henderson.