Im seeing alot of teams with no D-line legends

[JHova1982]

WASSUP WITH THATTTT!!!!

but for real maybe im just firm fan in putting pressure on the qb that's why in the nfl I love to watch the bears, steelers, ravens, eagles and such I know they don't believe in allowing the qb to just sit in the pocket and make good decision and I carry that to not only 2k8 but other football games I have played as well.

I actually made a team with not one d-line legend on it and went to practice just to see what was the hype was and I don't see the hype. I was straight disgusted by how the qb had to make good decision and also how the oline was abusing them in the run game.

I know a lot people say they don't notice the time but I can see and I can't make a team without at least one person on the front 4. also dline plays a huge affect on the run game cause if the oline is mistreating all of your gen dline then u really can't stop the ball from moving forward regardless of the legends u have in the backfield.

my peoples, your thoughts

[ballin5692]

my team has no lineman but i have 4 cornerbacks and its almost impossible to pass against me now. Still havent had anyone with over 300 passing yards against this team yet. I have Brad Van Pelt and Jessie Tuggle as my linebackers. But to bring pressure i just blitz cornerbacks like the eagles. I live in philadelphia and watch the eagles and basically i play exacly like them. i love blitzing defensive backs and it usually works especially against people who like to throw longer patterns. Also i have 2 bumper masters and i noticed those out patterns dont work anymore i have intercepted a ton of them because of people forcing out patterns. I do see a big difference when you dont have defensive lineman tho. I used to use Bethea and Too Tall Jones and the QB literlly had no time to throw.

[Big M]

In All-Pro lobby, the D-line is simply not worth it. I've played against Reggie White in All-Pro, left no extra blockers in to help pick him up, and didn't give up a single sack. They just don't do enough to warrant a pick.

Now, in Legend lobby, a D-line pick is sorta inconsistent. It's worth it for the games where you get 7 sacks, but what about the game after that with 2 tackles and no sacks? The D-line is inconsistent. I like using them if they'll actually help, but if they don't, I don't see the point.

[Valdarez]

Few of my teams have DLineman, mainly because of how effective the passing game is. I'd much rather spend my defensive picks on the secondary than a DLine that might, or might not make any plays.

[nyknicks33]

I run a 3-4 so a DL is an absolute must for me...otherwise the LBs just run around in a mish-mash of bodies.

I have no problem using a silver or gold DT. Its not all about sacks and tackles. At the end of the game, when Greg Lloyd has 7 solo tackles..Bob Lilly, Art Donovan, or Jerome Brown are usually the reason why.

[nyknicks33]

WASSUP WITH THATTTT!!!!

but for real maybe im just firm fan in putting pressure on the qb that's why in the nfl I love to watch the bears, steelers, ravens, eagles and such I know they don't believe in allowing the qb to just sit in the pocket and make good decision and I carry that to not only 2k8 but other football games I have played as well.



Well, the problem with what you are saying, is that with the exception of the bears; who run a tampa-2 style defense, all of the teams that you mention attack the QB by blitzing and blitzing heavily.

A scheme like that is not very easy to pull off in this game.

[I.C.D.N.V.N.U.]

I'd say the defensive line is the most important part of my defense.

I excel at defense in comparison with my offense (sometimes I feel I'd rather have my defense on the field). The pass rush has been key for me. I can't control what the DLine does as much as the back 7, so I like for there to be a playmaker or two on the DLine that can get to the QB themselves or force a bad throw into coverage, all the while making my job shutting down the remaning field easier.

Another thing: people just won't make OLinemen. They act like it's their right to have a perfect pocket for 'x' amount of time. Say they see a gold DLineman blow by a generic tackle, they'll go to replay like how the f did they get it so quick. But tell me, would you complain and go to replay if a gold tackle bulldozed your generic DE?

[BooblesTheClown]

I feel like the dline is there to help the run game more than the pass. It is so much harder to run on someone who has legends on the line than on generics. You really have to get them in pairs, though. I am currently using Manley and Simmons. They almost always get double teamed on a run play, meaning a LB will get a straight shot at the runner, and when they are having a good game that QB is dead to rights. I had Manley sack the QB three plays in a row, killing a drive all by himself. If you know they're going to run up the middle just pick a mix stunt and watch the runner get worked.

I still pick legend lineman who are better at rushing the passer, because I feel like they help out both areas whereas the guys who just stop the run don't do much against the QB.

[nyknicks33]

I'd say the defensive line is the most important part of my defense.

I excel at defense in comparison with my offense (sometimes I feel I'd rather have my defense on the field). The pass rush has been key for me. I can't control what the DLine does as much as the back 7, so I like for there to be a playmaker or two on the DLine that can get to the QB themselves or force a bad throw into coverage, all the while making my job shutting down the remaning field easier.

Another thing: people just won't make OLinemen. They act like it's their right to have a perfect pocket for 'x' amount of time. Say they see a gold DLineman blow by a generic tackle, they'll go to replay like how the f did they get it so quick. But tell me, would you complain and go to replay if a gold tackle bulldozed your generic DE?

Unfortunately, the O-linemen do not play all that well. The only one I felt that did was Anthony Munoz, but next to no one is going to spend a gold pick on a OT.

And even if they did, all someone has to do is swap their D-end on the playcall screen and it pretty much negates your OT anyway.

[JHova1982]

I'd say the defensive line is the most important part of my defense.

I excel at defense in comparison with my offense (sometimes I feel I'd rather have my defense on the field). The pass rush has been key for me. I can't control what the DLine does as much as the back 7, so I like for there to be a playmaker or two on the DLine that can get to the QB themselves or force a bad throw into coverage, all the while making my job shutting down the remaning field easier.

Another thing: people just won't make OLinemen. They act like it's their right to have a perfect pocket for 'x' amount of time. Say they see a gold DLineman blow by a generic tackle, they'll go to replay like how the f did they get it so quick. But tell me, would you complain and go to replay if a gold tackle bulldozed your generic DE?

totally agree with u man, but i agree with boobles about them being important in the run game more than the pass. by me being a run-heavy team, i can count on just one hand losing to someone that had no D-line legend cause for the simple by that i wont respect your front 4 from stopping me from moving the ball, and im a tru runner, im not looking for the BIG YARDS all the time, but if i can my blocker to either your GOLD linebacker, silver, or bronze i know that i can still get my rushing yards.

prime example is the DENVER BRONCOS this year, they had a vicious secondary, an ok linebacking crew, and weak front 4. sure they cole in pass defense, but that run defense was DEAD AWFUL, it was one of the worst in the league.

if u sending just your 4 generics and not blitzing like balling do then i believe thats bad strategy cause obviously there is a person or team that will dominate that type of setup. thats why i wish it was more RUNNING SUCCESSFUL TEAMS like me out there in the 2k8 community cause i believe people would take into account for them as well, and create teams not only for passing but for running as well

[GoodSense]

This is what the game is all about. You build what works or think that works for you.

Some of the offline teams don't have DL and they can be just as disruptive as those with the stars. But the hidden aspect that the generics give is the key.

You can tayor your generics to a specific strength: DL, LB, DB
Toss in a Star with Leadership Bonus and a good scheme... scheme is important because he needs to fit the people you choose... and you got yourself a good team.

So keep in mind the other factors beside the star players.
When I built my first team I flew through the menu not realizing I could taylor my generics. I haven't been back since I've played with my 2nd team because this group just plays better with the generics set to my needs.
The other 2 teams I have I just haven't completed the playbooks.
One day when I decide to get the action replay and memory card to eliminate some of the work to do this a new Xbox will probably hit the market. :lol:

[nyknicks33]

Toss in a Star with Leadership Bonus and a good scheme... scheme is important because he needs to fit the people you choose... and you got yourself a good team.



Yup..and a large part of it, is just putting them out there, seing how they do...and then going back and tweaking until you feel you have the right group of guys for a given team.

Cant tell ya how many L's I take just by going through this process lol.

[J_Frank]

imo

Dlineman legends are a must, sure it would be nice to have Joey Browner as SS, but I'd rather have Elvin Bethea on the line doing swim moves to kill the QB and play Generic Cory Romo out there.


D-lineman are worth the pick, you might occasionally run into the Cunningham Abuser who drops back 10+ yards, but overall especially in tight moments D-lineman are worth it.


peace

[magan1027]

oh man, i played a guy who i think had 3 d lineman and the team looked like the jets.
i could not run the whole game. my passing game was good, but i could not consistantly run the ball.
on defense, i couldnt completely shut him down on offense cause he would always get enough for the 1st down. i had too tall and the fridge.
maybe i need more d lineman....

[nyknicks33]

oh man, i played a guy who i think had 3 d lineman and the team looked like the jets.
i could not run the whole game. my passing game was good, but i could not consistantly run the ball.
on defense, i couldnt completely shut him down on offense cause he would always get enough for the 1st down. i had too tall and the fridge.
maybe i need more d lineman....

2 is enough..3 doesnt really make a noticeable difference. Try moving Fridge to the 2nd string DT spot. He'll be harder to double team, and if he does get doubled..too tall will certainly be 1 on 1.

Also, its important to take into consideration what your GENERIC DL's are set to. IF they are set to run stop..you wont get a lot of pressure no matter who you have out there.

Balanced seems to be the best..umm "balance" :) . I use this for a 3-4 setup or when I have only 1 DL in a 4-3.

I like to set my generics to pass rush when I have 2 legends on the DL, backed up by good run covering LB. I see the D-Line really fly around and penetrate with that set up.

[J_Frank]

2 is enough..3 doesnt really make a noticeable difference. Try moving Fridge to the 2nd string DT spot. He'll be harder to double team, and if he does get doubled..too tall will certainly be 1 on 1.

Also, its important to take into consideration what your GENERIC DL's are set to. IF they are set to run stop..you wont get a lot of pressure no matter who you have out there.

Balanced seems to be the best..umm "balance" :) . I use this for a 3-4 setup or when I have only 1 DL in a 4-3.

I like to set my generics to pass rush when I have 2 legends on the DL, backed up by good run covering LB. I see the D-Line really fly around and penetrate with that set up.



Exactly, I always place my DT in the second position.

Like stated many times if you place Elvin Bethea at the second DT spot he's one swim move away from the Qb. I cannot even tell you how many games I have won because of this.

peace

[nyknicks33]

Exactly, I always place my DT in the second position.

Like stated many times if you place Elvin Bethea at the second DT spot he's one swim move away from the Qb. I cannot even tell you how many games I have won because of this.

peace


I did something similar with Reggie White. I put him at 3-4 DT, since he is close to 300 pounds and has strength bonus.

It was total carnage.

He'd blast the center with his club move and be on the QB or in the backfield in a flash due to his speed.

As a matter of fact, why the heck did I stop doing this? lol

[JHova1982]

I did something similar with Reggie White. I put him at 3-4 DT, since he is close to 300 pounds and has strength bonus.

It was total carnage.

He'd blast the center with his club move and be on the QB or in the backfield in a flash due to his speed.

As a matter of fact, why the heck did I stop doing this? lol

lol i dont know why u stop doing it too cause reggie white against a gen center is chaos for any team out there including mines

[GrrrillaPmp]

I made a team the other day with Bethea on it and that mofo didn't do anything against a generic o-line. IMO it is completely unacceptable for a gold or silver to not make any plays against a generic. I don't care if he has 10 straight 10 sack games, the first time he is invisible...his a** is cut. No exceptions.

Hower everytime I play against a team with a star D-lineman they give me fits but they refuse to produce for me at all. Eff em. Tuggle is enough to stop the run for me and with both golds and two silvers in the secondary I just hope for the best.

[J_Frank]

I made a team the other day with Bethea on it and that mofo didn't do anything against a generic o-line. IMO it is completely unacceptable for a gold or silver to not make any plays against a generic. I don't care if he has 10 straight 10 sack games, the first time he is invisible...his a** is cut. No exceptions.

Hower everytime I play against a team with a star D-lineman they give me fits but they refuse to produce for me at all. Eff em. Tuggle is enough to stop the run for me and with both golds and two silvers in the secondary I just hope for the best.
:rolleyes:

John Frank 2040

Play me anytime and you will see why I have Bethea on my team, it's not only his always 3 sacks a game or 4 + tackles or even constant qb hurry up, it's his leadership that makes him a beast.

I use 3 bronze Lbs and Bethea on the line, I don't have a problem stopping any back
peace

[ballin5692]

I dont need defensive lineman because no one can pass against my defense and my i stoped the run pretty good it could be better but its good enough to cause 3 and outs. I have Lem Barney, Lester Hayes, Willie Brown, and Albert Lewis. I still havent gona a game where i didnt have an INT with this team and i have so many deflected passes its not even funny. i only had one team have over 300 passing yards against me out of maybe 10-15 games with this team. I played Earl Campbell he had 275 yards rushing with a 13 yard average but i won the game. I played Paul Hornung he had under 100 rushing yards with like a 2 yard average. I also use Jessie Tuggle he does pretty good at stoping the run and Brad Van Pelt for more coverage. Since most people in this game pass its a good idea to stack your secondary.

[nyknicks33]

I dont need defensive lineman because no one can pass against my defense and my i stoped the run pretty good it could be better but its good enough to cause 3 and outs. I have Lem Barney, Lester Hayes, Willie Brown, and Albert Lewis. I still havent gona a game where i didnt have an INT with this team and i have so many deflected passes its not even funny.

I would certainly hope so. :)

I'd be blitzing like a madman with a secondary like that until someone beats them.

I could see a workhorse running back giving that a bit of a problem though.

But, hey if it works..go for it. Thats the beauty of this game, different setups will work for different people :)

[ThunderBird]

I know exactly what you mean. I use gold DE's and they are the center point of my defense.

[JHova1982]

I dont need defensive lineman because no one can pass against my defense and my i stoped the run pretty good it could be better but its good enough to cause 3 and outs. I have Lem Barney, Lester Hayes, Willie Brown, and Albert Lewis. I still havent gona a game where i didnt have an INT with this team and i have so many deflected passes its not even funny. i only had one team have over 300 passing yards against me out of maybe 10-15 games with this team. I played Earl Campbell he had 275 yards rushing with a 13 yard average but i won the game. I played Paul Hornung he had under 100 rushing yards with like a 2 yard average. I also use Jessie Tuggle he does pretty good at stoping the run and Brad Van Pelt for more coverage. Since most people in this game pass its a good idea to stack your secondary.

on the contrary, u can be very successful with all generics secondary against all these pass happy teams out there. I think I am the only one who have gave it a shot and stuck with it and I had this setup since august of last year. my setup is 6 legends on Defense, 3 LB and 3 D-line

[JUIC3D 3]

on the contrary, u can be very successful with all generics secondary against all these pass happy teams out there. I think I am the only one who have gave it a shot and stuck with it and I had this setup since august of last year. my setup is 6 legends on Defense, 3 LB and 3 D-line

No secondary?!!!!

I'd torch that team like no other. You can pass by with maybe 1, and 2 for sure in the secondary. But with none against any good player, you'll be burnt.

[nflhitman]

The most important position on defense in this game is Safeties. I have come to figure this out finally after giving up bomb after bomb. If I can I will use 2 Gold safeties from now on except some teams of mine are different considering I have 24 teams made with my 2 Memory Cards I don't want to have the same set up every time.

[J_Frank]

The most important position on defense in this game is Safeties. I have come to figure this out finally after giving up bomb after bomb. If I can I will use 2 Gold safeties from now on except some teams of mine are different considering I have 24 teams made with my 2 Memory Cards I don't want to have the same set up every time.


I disagree, good fast cbs will cover wrs. And a good d line will NEVER give a qb enough time to wind up for that bomb.

peace

[JHova1982]

No secondary?!!!!

I'd torch that team like no other. You can pass by with maybe 1, and 2 for sure in the secondary. But with none against any good player, you'll be burnt.

dude i have played with this setup since last year august, i have played against any type of setup u can think of and any rank u can ponder and have won. now granted i have lost my fair share of games but i never been on a 2 game losing streak and my defense is SOLID!!!! 17.1

[JHova1982]

The most important position on defense in this game is Safeties. I have come to figure this out finally after giving up bomb after bomb. If I can I will use 2 Gold safeties from now on except some teams of mine are different considering I have 24 teams made with my 2 Memory Cards I don't want to have the same set up every time.

people have different tastes on defense and i think nobody is wrong when comes to importance. u like safeties, J_Frank he prefer CB, and i believe that the most important play is my MLB, most importantly my boy Mike Singletary.

[nyknicks33]

Reggie White is back as a 3-4 DL. He will also line up in front of the center in the 3-3-5 nickle, 3-2-6 dime at DT in the base nickle, and goaline defenses, and in his ordinary spots in the dime, 4-4.

1st game dude bailed out after 3 posessions. He was only down 10-0 :confused: .

Reggie was just clubbing that poor center like a seal.