View Full Version : Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto
Charlie Murphy
July 21st, 2008, 01:25 PM
Not long now guys! so excited for this one! I'm going with Margarito as I feel Cotto won't be able to fight toe to toe with him, and if Cotto decides to box him Margarito will simply hunt him down. Late KO victory for Margarito.
reppa
July 21st, 2008, 03:57 PM
Not long now guys! so excited for this one! I'm going with Margarito as I feel Cotto won't be able to fight toe to toe with him, and if Cotto decides to box him Margarito will simply hunt him down. Late KO victory for Margarito.
I can't wait for this one. It's finally almost here. I'm going to pass on the PPV though. I was going to get it for sure if Nonito Donaire was on the undercard. He was supposed to be, but I don't know what happened. I have to agree with you prediction Charlie Murphy. I like both of these fighters. No matter who wins, it's a win/win situation for me. I'm sticking with my same prediction back when this fight was first announced. Margartio wins by 7th round KO/stoppage. Key punch for Marg will be the uppercut.
Besides that, I could care less who wins this fight. I just want a good clean fight. I'm sure I will be rooting for whoever is losing at the time. lol.
Charlie Murphy
July 21st, 2008, 05:53 PM
Sucks thats it on PPV man, how much does a fight on PPV usually cost in America? we're getting it for free in the Uk :p well not exactly free, seems to be less and less boxing on PPV in England now, the majority of the boxing is shown on Setana Sports, which costs £10 a month (like $20) but thats the only cost, so it works out to be a pretty sweet deal in the end, but the fights don't start until like 3am over here lol. It's definitely worth staying up to watch the fights though, especially for this one :D
korey1980
July 21st, 2008, 06:31 PM
I'm gonna have to disagree and go with Cotto in this one. Bodywork will doom Margo in the mid to late rounds I predict. Margo does have a sufficient advantage in the height and reach department, so your guess is as good as mine. I'm just tryin to coax one of the local bars to get the fight so I dont have to shell out 50 bones, cuz my friends are drunks and dont care about boxing unless its free or they can watch it at a bar(punks!!).
CircleChange11
July 21st, 2008, 10:57 PM
I'll be watching it at a local Mexican bar ... and the locals will be rowdy for this.
Mas cervesas por el ******, senor.
korey1980
July 23rd, 2008, 07:32 AM
This fight is going to be a legendary battle, and no one can say they knew for a fact that one guy was going to win. I'm pulling for Cotto, but would have no problem with Margo wiping the floor with him. If that happens Antonio needs fight and beat Paul Williams next, and possibly go after his former conquerer Daniel Santos(who just won a title at 154) that would be 2 more fights I would enjoy watchin. A Cotto win would put him on top of the p4p list or closer to the top. I dont know who he should face after the victory though, cuz it looks like Williams is heading up in weight classes, maybe Floyd will come back and fight him, but I'm not gonna count on that. Anyone have any thoughts on who either guy should face after they win?
korey1980
July 24th, 2008, 07:23 AM
God, predicting the outcome of this fight is impossible. I find myself weighing out the possibilities, and I change my mind every other day on what I think the outcome will be. I'm a bigger fan of Cotto, but am starting to lean towards Margo as the winner. Anyone else feeling this? Every time I think about this fight, I get somewhat nervous, and its because I'm a Cotto fan. I've seen Cotto hurt numerous times at 140, but never at 147, but I cant see him get through this fight without being rocked, and by a better finisher than the previous men that stunned Cotto. Damn you Cotto, why'd you get hurt by lesser fighters than the one you are facing Saturday night? Here I go again, I'm going with Margo by tko, corner stoppage, or ref stoppage in round 7 (or earlier). But I'm still pulling for Cotto.
Charlie Murphy
July 24th, 2008, 09:19 AM
I've been reading around and looking at various website polls and it seems like a HUGE amount of people think Cotto are going to win, I just can't see why, this fight in my opinion is as level as it can possibly get, like I said I'm going for Marg to win by late KO but it'll definitely be a see-saw battle up to that point.
korey1980
July 24th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Cotto is the guy I think has the keys to beat Mayweather, so if Cotto losses to Margo, then a Mayweather-Cotto fight is out the door, and Floyd will stay retired. I dont think Margo can beat Mayweather.
King-Of-Kings
July 24th, 2008, 04:40 PM
mayweather is better than both fighters, hopefully cotto wins this weekend because he should since he has more skills
korey1980
July 24th, 2008, 07:23 PM
mayweather is better than both fighters, hopefully cotto wins this weekend because he should since he has more skills
A constant pressire fighter can give Mayweather problems, as we all saw when he faught Castillo, and Hatton. Cotto is better than both those men. Hatton would apply pressure , but fall in and clinch because he lunges in too much. Cotto doesnt do that. And that is the main reason I think he can beat Floyd. Cotto knows how to fight on the inside and be successful, without getting tied up.
patientsnake
July 24th, 2008, 08:24 PM
I want Cotto to win this fight, and I think he can. I look for wicked body shots to make the difference. My prediction is Cotto by majority decision.
nickelzdropdimes
July 24th, 2008, 09:54 PM
its very hard to pick...they both have hearts...and they both throw big bodyshots....i think the prediction of 7 -8 rds is about right but i cannot sleep on cotto.......margarito is a beast...paul williams surprised him but he was still in it. but he took care of citron pretty easy...i didnt think that would be easy the 2nd time they fought b4 .......that blew my mind...........so to me this is a fight of who's smarter & who's will is stronger..........
im just gonna sit back n watch.....at my friends house....
Mazinkaizer
July 24th, 2008, 10:11 PM
Cotto will win by Ko in the 11 or less, Margarito is a good fighter but he have been beated 5 times, and he is not in his prime. He have the best opportunity but he is not in his best. Daniel Santos a unpowered boxer win to Margarito. He lost to Paul Williams that in the first fight against Quintana who was destructed by Cotto. He only got back with a unanimous decision over Joshua Clottey and a ko over a overrated Kermit Cintron. Margarito its a one dimensional boxer who will get beat on Saturday by Miguel Cotto.
Cotto by Ko, lets see how Antonio take the fury of a body puncher.
Charlie Murphy
July 25th, 2008, 09:40 AM
I'm not gonna repeat my pick again...ok I will, Margarito by late KO (not sure of the round) but I am sure of this, there is NO WAY Cotto will EVER knock Margarito out, it simply will NOT happen. I'm cereal.
BANKY
July 25th, 2008, 09:44 AM
Margarito in 7 by KO.
I see alot of haters, Im looking at you kaizer.
Truth is, this is the toughest test of both fighters careers.
There is only one thing to look at here that will make the difference. Who has been hurt, who hasn't.
Cotto has been buzzed by Torres and Chop Chop.
Margarito was dropped once by Danny Perez(and wasn't even hurt, he got back up and whooped his 455, was a flash kd).
Look for Margo to beat the crap out of cotto. Look for cotto to get on his horse and run when he sees he can't hurt him.
don't underestimate Margarito guys.
BANKY
July 25th, 2008, 09:46 AM
I'm not gonna repeat my pick again...ok I will, Margarito by late KO (not sure of the round) but I am sure of this, there is NO WAY Cotto will EVER knock Margarito out, it simply will NOT happen. I'm cereal.
charlie, did you come to the boxingbb board? can you hit me on aim?
BANKY
July 25th, 2008, 09:53 AM
mayweather is better than both fighters, hopefully cotto wins this weekend because he should since he has more skills
LMAO. In 10 years, when all the talk of legacy happens, mayweather will be remembered for never having fought who he was supposed to. While cotto and marg will be talked about as real champions who fought EVERYONE.
Mayweather is not better than both fighters. He is a defensive posturist that ruined boxing for the last 6 years.
I'm tired of the could'ves and should'ves. No fighter has gotten more out of less.
Croman513
July 25th, 2008, 10:18 AM
Ima huge Cotto fan, but Margarito will definitely be a tough test, I cant wait to watch it
Cotto has been looking alot stronger since 147 lb
and like 3 of his last 8 opponents havent returned to boxing LOL
King-Of-Kings
July 25th, 2008, 10:46 AM
A constant pressire fighter can give Mayweather problems, as we all saw when he faught Castillo, and Hatton. Cotto is better than both those men. Hatton would apply pressure , but fall in and clinch because he lunges in too much. Cotto doesnt do that. And that is the main reason I think he can beat Floyd. Cotto knows how to fight on the inside and be successful, without getting tied up.
Hatton gave mayweather problems ? Last i checked , mayweather schooled him and i had it like 8 rounds to 2 for mayweather . Stop giving rounds to fighters who just pressure and start realizing that the punches they are throwing are misses instead of connecting. Same with DLH when he fought mayweather, everybody thought DLH got him cause he threw punches in flurries but reality he missed majority of them and mayweather was on point.
Your only legit fact is castillo that gave mayweather problems but we are talking like 6 years ago !! Mayweather is much wiser than before and much stronger and as fast.
BANKY, you will always back up your mexican fighters and that is fine but to say margarito and cotto status are legends and not mayweather is just wrong. Get it through your head that mayweather started at 130 !!!! He came up in weight to test the waters and if your gonna say DLH is a bad boxer at 154 so be it, now i know where you stand about knowing boxing.
Its whoever mayweather fights and beats , everybody will have some kind of excuse instead of applauding him.
You guys have to realize he is picking his opponents because he is not a TRUE welter fighter or even a light welter but he is doing it to grab belts and thats what fighters fight for.
BANKY, about your statement on margarito ko'ing cotto in 7 or less is just nonsense. Cant wait until tomorrow to show the world how overrated margarito really is .
bigfnjoe96
July 25th, 2008, 10:55 AM
Why do people keep thinking that just because Cotto was hurt by Chop-Chop & by Torres this automatically makes him have a GLASS JAW... :confused:
Cotto is a natural 147 lb boxer. He fought both those fights @ 140 & on top of that had a hard time making weight. Since he's moved-up (3 years now) he hasn't tasted the canvas.
I'm not saying that Margarito can't knock Cotto Down/Out but it won't be as easy as people think it will be. If Margarito sticks to his plan around keeping the pressure on Cotto, I personally feel he's playing directly into Cotto's hands.
If Margarito was smart he'd use his jab to keep Cotto @ a distance while doubling-up with body shots.
My Pick: Cotto by TKO 8th Rd
Chairman
July 25th, 2008, 10:57 AM
Cotto wins this fight via 12 Rd decision.
King-of-Kings, DLH gave Mayweather pressure most of the early rounds and was up on the cards, when he let go of his pressure he gave up the fight. He doesn't do well against people who pressure them, _if_ the boxer knows how to pressure correctly (i.e. Cotto).
Guys like Baldomir, and Hatton failed to do it correctly. A fundamental boxer like Cotto would give Mayweather serious problems, which is why he won't face him.
There is a reason why Mayweather rejected fighting both Cotto and Margarito. Regardless of May's "excuses" - he refrained from fighting them and that speaks volumes.
A guy who picks and chooses his fights loses my respect, especially when you see guys like Cotto who will face _anyone_, and has proven it with his flawless record. If you're argument is he "earned" the right to pick and choose, I can't respect that either because the two guys fighting tomorrow are the best in the welterweight class, and he "retired" to avoid them.
Sorry for going off topic, but just to add emphasis again ... Cotto via 12 Rd decision. I hope to see a great fight tomorrow fellas!
korey1980
July 25th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Why do people keep thinking that just because Cotto was hurt by Chop-Chop & by Torres this automatically makes him have a GLASS JAW... :confused:
Cotto is a natural 147 lb boxer. He fought both those fights @ 140 & on top of that had a hard time making weight. Since he's moved-up (3 years now) he hasn't tasted the canvas.
I'm not saying that Margarito can't knock Cotto Down/Out but it won't be as easy as people think it will be. If Margarito sticks to his plan around keeping the pressure on Cotto, I personally feel he's playing directly into Cotto's hands.
If Margarito was smart he'd use his jab to keep Cotto @ a distance while doubling-up with body shots.
My Pick: Cotto by TKO 8th Rd
I havent seen anyone say that Cotto has a glass jaw, but those two fights proved that hurting him badly, is not an impossible feat. Chop-Chop has sneaky power, he hurt Mayweather also when they faught. He hurt Cotto badly when they fought, and if he was a good finisher, the fight might've been stopped, Margarito will not let Cotto get away if he has him hurt in that way.
korey1980
July 25th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Hatton gave mayweather problems ? Last i checked , mayweather schooled him and i had it like 8 rounds to 2 for mayweather . Stop giving rounds to fighters who just pressure and start realizing that the punches they are throwing are misses instead of connecting. Same with DLH when he fought mayweather, everybody thought DLH got him cause he threw punches in flurries but reality he missed majority of them and mayweather was on point.
Your only legit fact is castillo that gave mayweather problems but we are talking like 6 years ago !! Mayweather is much wiser than before and much stronger and as fast.
BANKY, you will always back up your mexican fighters and that is fine but to say margarito and cotto status are legends and not mayweather is just wrong. Get it through your head that mayweather started at 130 !!!! He came up in weight to test the waters and if your gonna say DLH is a bad boxer at 154 so be it, now i know where you stand about knowing boxing.
Its whoever mayweather fights and beats , everybody will have some kind of excuse instead of applauding him.
You guys have to realize he is picking his opponents because he is not a TRUE welter fighter or even a light welter but he is doing it to grab belts and thats what fighters fight for.
BANKY, about your statement on margarito ko'ing cotto in 7 or less is just nonsense. Cant wait until tomorrow to show the world how overrated margarito really is .
First off Hatton did give Mayweather problems, hints the fact that Mayweather said it was the stiffest test of his career. And why applaud Mayweather for beating Hatton at 147, because Hatton looked terrible against Collazo at 147, and I thought Hatton lost that fight. Floyd saw that fight(without a doubt), and knew at that time that Hatton was there for the taking. Secondly, if Cotto gets hurt by Margarito(which will probably happen), how can you not see Margo jumping on him until the ref stops it? We saw him basically out on his feet vs. Corley, can you deny that?
TDEEZY58
July 25th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Hatton gave mayweather problems ?
Hatton got KO'd. He did bother Floyd a little in the first three but after round 4 Floyd showed Hatton he had no chance.
BANKY, you will always back up your mexican fighters and that is fine but to say margarito and cotto status are legends and not mayweather is just wrong.
Can't agree with you on this king. I'll agree and Banky will too that he prefers the "Mexican" straight forward type of fighter. But I'm a Mayweather fan, ask Banky, and if Cotto wins and goes on to dominate 147 he will surpass Floyd. The same can be said for Margarito simply because they dominated a division. Yes Floyd accomplished some great things by collecting belts but neither you nor I can recall a time where he dominated a division and cleaned out a division. There's something about longevity in one division that people respect i.e. Hopkins 10 yrs at 160 20 title defenses, Calzaghe at 168.
Its whoever mayweather fights and beats , everybody will have some kind of excuse instead of applauding him.
TRUE! TRUE! TRUE! TRUE! This will always be true. If Floyd came back and beat Margarito and Cotto, his critics would knock him for not fighting Williams, Clottey, and Mosley even though the only relevant fighter out of those 3 at 147 is Clottey. Mosley and Williams took their hats out by moving up.
BANKY, about your statement on margarito ko'ing cotto in 7 or less is just nonsense. Cant wait until tomorrow to show the world how overrated margarito really is.
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I don't know if he'll get him in 7, but if Margarito does it would be around the 8th or 9th. One issue is that Margarito has a lot more to lose than Cotto. This is his first big step up to the big show. Cotto has been here already with Judah and Mosley. Cotto knows how to deal with everything that comes with a mega fight. How will Margarito handle it all?
korey1980
July 25th, 2008, 12:43 PM
Cotto will win by Ko in the 11 or less, Margarito is a good fighter but he have been beated 5 times, and he is not in his prime. He have the best opportunity but he is not in his best. Daniel Santos a unpowered boxer win to Margarito. He lost to Paul Williams that in the first fight against Quintana who was destructed by Cotto. He only got back with a unanimous decision over Joshua Clottey and a ko over a overrated Kermit Cintron. Margarito its a one dimensional boxer who will get beat on Saturday by Miguel Cotto.
Margarito is one dimensional? That couldnt be further from the truth. How is Margarito past his best? Are you looking at his age only? Look at Hopkins carrer. 33 to 34 years old is not old in boxing anymore. If you thinks he's going downhill, answe these questions 4 me, because these are so signs of a fighter past their best. Are Margaritos legs gone? Is he having troubles pulling the trigger? Is his punch output limited? Does he not press the action anymore? Is he getting beat to the punch consistently? I'll answer all those questions for you, NO!!!!!!
kcxiv
July 25th, 2008, 02:27 PM
I gotta stick with my race so i am going for Margarito. Should be a fun one to watch.
Also, 30 years old is not past their prime, he may be at the tail end of it, but experience in boxing and the knowledge of boxing can extend ones careers a few years. He hasnt ever been knocked out or seriously hurt as i understand. Maybe i am wrong, but that also counts. Look at fighters like Morales that has been in battles, their bodies just arent there anymore and even though he was only 30 his body was just to beat up. He has been in epic wars with tons of fighters. I dont think Margarito has had the same problem.
sampsonthestrong
July 25th, 2008, 03:20 PM
This is one tough fight to pick but I have to go with Margarito by TKO in 11. Cotto just seems to break the will of most fighters because he's relentless with his hard body punching and strength, but in Margarito I think he will finally meet a fighter that he CAN'T break down, a fighter that will take all he can dish out and then some. A fighter that's gonna put a ton of pressure on him and try to break HIS will. This is gonna be a classic battle with both men landing brutal punches on each other but I just think in the end that Tony will prove to tough too handle, even for a fighter like Cotto. I think he finally wears Cotto down late and stops him in the 11th round of an all out war.
reppa
July 25th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Cotto's chin I think he is a lot more solid at 147. I still think Margarito will be able to hurt him, but not because Cotto had a questionable chin at 140, but because Marg hits hard and often. IMO the fact that he was in trouble at 140 for taking some serious shots doesn't really factor in here at 147, but then again he is fighting Margarito.
Margarito's losses Seems like there are quite a few people forgetting that Margarito started boxing at age 15 or 16 I think. 3 of his 5 losses came pretty early in his career. Margarito has been a slow starter in the past and up till recently. That would explain the losses to a point. Or at least that is one way to look at it.
Like I said in a previous post, I like both of these fighters. I really don't care who wins. I just want a good clean fight. I have always rooted for them in separate fights. I still think Margarito is going to get the stoppage in the 7th. And I say stoppage now because Cotto has just too much heart. That doesn't mean that I don't think Cotto can win. Cotto could come out at dominate this entire fight or vice versa. Stranger things have happened.
It's kinda funny to be in the middle as far as fan support goes for both fighters. You get to hear some quality stuff from Cotto supporters and Margarito supporters. Well not all quality stuff. I'm just saying it's kinda nice not being blinded by being bias for one fighter over another. You kinda see things a little more clearly.
King-Of-Kings
July 25th, 2008, 05:28 PM
the one thing good about tomorrows fight is that both will come at each other but i feel cotto punches are just more accurate and solid . Everybody talks about cottos chin but yet has it let him down at 147 .
1 interesting point i will make is that its not cotto chin but its his stamina vs a fighter that comes forward with non stop punches.
I just have a weird feeling margarito is always open on his defense and cotto is gonna catch him too many times.
Croman513
July 25th, 2008, 05:54 PM
I just like that Cotto is always no gimmicks and goes about his business
I biased when I say I want Cotto to win because Ive only seen like 2 Margarito fights vs like the 7 Cotto fights Ive seen, ( Hes always at the Garden durin PR Parade weekend in NY LOL )
but since hes moved up to 147 , I havent seen him rattled much but what ive seen of Margarito he is a quality fighter so Im hyped to see a good fight , though I hope Cotto rocks him to sleep
reppa
July 25th, 2008, 06:26 PM
the one thing good about tomorrows fight is that both will come at each other but i feel cotto punches are just more accurate and solid . Everybody talks about cottos chin but yet has it let him down at 147 .
1 interesting point i will make is that its not cotto chin but its his stamina vs a fighter that comes forward with non stop punches.
I just have a weird feeling margarito is always open on his defense and cotto is gonna catch him too many times.
Good points. Especially the one in bold. Marg took some good shots from Cintron in their last fight out. It's almost to the point where that may not matter. Marg is going to get his shots in reguardless of what's coming back at him. I don't think he would be happy with himself if he wasn't getting hit in a fight. It's almost like a fuel for him. Look for the smirk. That sort of sinister smile he gives his opponenet when they have landed a flush shot on him. You ever see a guy get caught and he tries to play it off? Well you can tell in Marg's eyes that he feeds off of that. This guy loves to fight. He loves to brawl. And on that mindset alone I have to give him the edge and the win.
Croman513
July 25th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Cotto hits hard....
Charlie Murphy
July 25th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Margarito hits hard too.
Croman513
July 25th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Cotto doesnt leave himself open like that...
ROCK solid since moving to 147, plus he has big fights under his belt
Charlie Murphy
July 25th, 2008, 07:46 PM
I think it all comes down to this, Cotto's chin has looked pretty good at 147, but Margarito's has the chin of Iron Man, maybe even better than that, its simply unreal, Margarito WILL be able to take Cotto's best head shots, but I very much doubt that Cotto will be able to take Marg's best head shots
Croman513
July 25th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Its all about them body blows...
we all know Mexican's have titanium jaws
Mazinkaizer
July 25th, 2008, 08:03 PM
I will stay my prediction, as i say, no excuses for the people that say Margarito gona win, don't say he don't do that, he was not same. I will not going to say any excuse after the fight if Cotto lose, cause that is hard to happen.
Fiction
July 25th, 2008, 08:03 PM
Cotto has great chances to take this fight but I think Margarito has enough going for him to give him the win. Cotto hasn't been pressured and when he was he got hurt. Granted people are saying at 140 he was weaker but he's was hurt at 147. Every fight for a fighter poses new challenges and certain factors can detemine wether or not they win.
Two other reasons why I'm choosing Margarito are :
1. When Cotto fought Judah he was hurt early by Judah. Judah started fast and with his fast hands and his power he caught Cotto sleepin. Cotto gave Judah some low blows and people act like that doesn't effect a boxer. C'mon folk...... Cotto is a solid puncher, and him hitting someone in the junk is gonna take some steam out of you. Cotto get's way too much credit for that fight. Judah is not a mentally tough fighter and once you get passed his initial burst he's not hard to get by if you are half way determined....... ask Baldomir. Even still he fought like a warrior for 11 rounds giving Cotto some trouble before taking a nap.
2. Mosely and Cotto did their thing, but I ask myself this. If that same Cotto would have fought a shane that was 2 or 3 years younger would he have still won? I know it's a silly question to ask but it's definitely a no for me. He fought a aging Mosely and really didn't win that fight to me and many others. A draw was far more suitable. He's the young gun and future attraction in the sport so of course he's gonna get the nod. ( Like a young De La Hoya in that sense) Seriously Mosely is past his prime and he still gave Cotto all he could handle.
I think everyone is really riding his Quintana fight and his fight with homie from the contender really tough. He looked great both times but only Quintana was a worthy challenge and when he fought dude frome contender it reminded me of Mayweather fighting Gatti. Totally outclassed and not even close to being in the same league. Neither are as good or as consistant as Margarito. Not saying Margarito has an impressive list of names but it's how he won and in one case lost recently that cements my belief the he'll win this fight. He lost to Paul Williams becuase he started fighting to late in the fight. Had he started 2 or 3 rounds earlier Williams would have gotten KO'd. Yes KO'd. He ran thourgh Johnson and Cintron. Demoralized, punished,and destroyed Cintron while eating shots that would have put most other men down. Including Cotto IMO.
Now I know Margarito is no Judah or Mosely he lacks the speed they do but he has 2 things they don't. He has the mental make up, and the pressuring /smothering style to beat Cotto.
Marg in 10.
Croman513
July 25th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Cotto by decision
King-Of-Kings
July 25th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Good points. Especially the one in bold. Marg took some good shots from Cintron in their last fight out. It's almost to the point where that may not matter. Marg is going to get his shots in reguardless of what's coming back at him. I don't think he would be happy with himself if he wasn't getting hit in a fight. It's almost like a fuel for him. Look for the smirk. That sort of sinister smile he gives his opponenet when they have landed a flush shot on him. You ever see a guy get caught and he tries to play it off? Well you can tell in Marg's eyes that he feeds off of that. This guy loves to fight. He loves to brawl. And on that mindset alone I have to give him the edge and the win.
ya i agree what your sayin reppa...marg will come forward even when getting hit which will make it a great fight but i feel cottos punches are more powerful than cintron or anybody marg has faced and will land flush cause like ive mentioned margs defense is the kind of defense where he just dont care of gettin tagged but this fight he has to be more careful.
You know how i say marg hasnt faced anyone like cotto with his punching power and solid punches , well same could be said about cotto, i dont think he has faced anybody like marg who has lots of stamina and will throw all night and that can favor him cause i think cotto tires at the end of fights or cant withstand pressure for 12 rounds
we will see but i still have cotto ko'ing marg with hook to the head or nice combos and the last shot to the head not body !
shadio3
July 25th, 2008, 08:43 PM
i think many people will be voting for margarito in this fight. He's just that type fighter you want to see win. I hope he wins, but for some i feel cotto's just to comfortable at this weight & will come with to much power (magarito is right there to be hit). Cotto also has a very tight "D" as of late....
VIVA MEXICO
shadio: true boxing fan
reppa
July 25th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Cotto has great chances to take this fight but I think Margarito has enough going for him to give him the win. Cotto hasn't been pressured and when he was he got hurt. Granted people are saying at 140 he was weaker but he's was hurt at 147. Every fight for a fighter poses new challenges and certain factors can detemine wether or not they win.
Two other reasons why I'm choosing Margarito are :
1. When Cotto fought Judah he was hurt early by Judah. Judah started fast and with his fast hands and his power he caught Cotto sleepin. Cotto gave Judah some low blows and people act like that doesn't effect a boxer. C'mon folk...... Cotto is a solid puncher, and him hitting someone in the junk is gonna take some steam out of you. Cotto get's way too much credit for that fight. Judah is not a mentally tough fighter and once you get passed his initial burst he's not hard to get by if you are half way determined....... ask Baldomir. Even still he fought like a warrior for 11 rounds giving Cotto some trouble before taking a nap.
2. Mosely and Cotto did their thing, but I ask myself this. If that same Cotto would have fought a shane that was 2 or 3 years younger would he have still won? I know it's a silly question to ask but it's definitely a no for me. He fought a aging Mosely and really didn't win that fight to me and many others. A draw was far more suitable. He's the young gun and future attraction in the sport so of course he's gonna get the nod. ( Like a young De La Hoya in that sense) Seriously Mosely is past his prime and he still gave Cotto all he could handle.
I think everyone is really riding his Quintana fight and his fight with homie from the contender really tough. He looked great both times but only Quintana was a worthy challenge and when he fought dude frome contender it reminded me of Mayweather fighting Gatti. Totally outclassed and not even close to being in the same league. Neither are as good or as consistant as Margarito. Not saying Margarito has an impressive list of names but it's how he won and in one case lost recently that cements my belief the he'll win this fight. He lost to Paul Williams becuase he started fighting to late in the fight. Had he started 2 or 3 rounds earlier Williams would have gotten KO'd. Yes KO'd. He ran thourgh Johnson and Cintron. Demoralized, punished,and destroyed Cintron while eating shots that would have put most other men down. Including Cotto IMO.
Now I know Margarito is no Judah or Mosely he lacks the speed they do but he has 2 things they don't. He has the mental make up, and the pressuring /smothering style to beat Cotto.
Marg in 10.
:thumbsup: Good read Fiction. Definitely agree on the Mosley point along with the other points in your post.
ya i agree what your sayin reppa...marg will come forward even when getting hit which will make it a great fight but i feel cottos punches are more powerful than cintron or anybody marg has faced and will land flush cause like ive mentioned margs defense is the kind of defense where he just dont care of gettin tagged but this fight he has to be more careful.
You know how i say marg hasnt faced anyone like cotto with his punching power and solid punches , well same could be said about cotto, i dont think he has faced anybody like marg who has lots of stamina and will throw all night and that can favor him cause i think cotto tires at the end of fights or cant withstand pressure for 12 rounds
we will see but i still have cotto ko'ing marg with hook to the head or nice combos and the last shot to the head not body !
:thumbsup: I have my thoughts, but at the same time I agree with your points as well. I'm not ruling anything out in this fight. I can see it going from one extreme to another. I have to agree big time with Cotto having more powerful punches than anyone he has faced. Cintron has to at least be as close as you can get to Cotto's power IMO. I think the body punch is the key for Cotto, but I think Margarito has the body punch as well as the uppercut. I'm not changing my prediction, but anything can happen.
reppa
July 25th, 2008, 09:58 PM
i think many people will be voting for margarito in this fight. He's just that type fighter you want to see win. I hope he wins, but for some i feel cotto's just to comfortable at this weight & will come with to much power (magarito is right there to be hit). Cotto also has a very tight "D" as of late....
VIVA MEXICO
shadio: true boxing fan
:thumbsup: (I might be using the thumbs up a bit too much) Good point though. Cotto has really elevated his defense. And not just covering up, but picking off single shots and using ring movement as well.
Charlie Murphy
July 25th, 2008, 10:11 PM
I'm probably gonna get told off for saying this lol, but I feel that Cintron is harder puncher than Cotto will ever be, but its a different type of power, Cintron has that raw, one punch KO power whereas Cotto has the hard, clubbing, where them down type of power.
reppa
July 25th, 2008, 10:40 PM
I'm probably gonna get told off for saying this lol, but I feel that Cintron is harder puncher than Cotto will ever be, but its a different type of power, Cintron has that raw, one punch KO power whereas Cotto has the hard, clubbing, where them down type of power.
Well I'm going to look like an *** now. Here goes...........I have to agree with you on this one Charlie Murphy.
But wait reppa.......you just agreed not 3 posts ago that Cotto has more power. What an ***. :rotfl:
yeah, yeah let me explain. Like CM said, Cintron does have that one-punch power where Cotto has that accumulation power. In other words Cintron is going to drop more people from one punch then Cotto will. This then raises the question of which type of power is more dangerous.
Charlie Murphy
July 26th, 2008, 07:31 AM
haha thanks for agreeing with me Reppa :p
PajamasNBeer
July 26th, 2008, 09:49 AM
What's more dangerous? For Margarito, I'd say the grind you out clubbing power.
BUT I can't decide what's going to happen in this fight... Margarito going down from body shots, Cotto getting wobbled, Cotto out boxing him, An all out war...
Only time will tell. And it's going to tell in about 10 hours.
xxl76904
July 26th, 2008, 03:57 PM
this fight isnt going the distance. margarito looked great in april, but he wasnt fighting the man at 147. i feel that cotto will find a way to win. that boy has got something special. he refuses to lose. cotto retains his abc soup titles and sets up a mega fight against paul the punisher williams. not that tonight isnt a big night, cause it is and i cant wait!!!!! cotto by decision 115.111 how bout that for a prediction.
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 05:58 PM
here we goooooo, for all you margarito FANS lets see if you were right. All the talk about how margarito can beat floyd & how people keep ducking him. Me personally never saw the dangers of margarito, I hope tonight he can prove me wrong..........
i do see something that he can take advantage of & thats when cotto fights going back. Cotto cant fight going backwards (like margarito said in the interveiw).
shadio: true boxing fan
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 06:39 PM
haha thanks for agreeing with me Reppa :p
lol. Hey when you're right, you'r right. I can't argue that. Even if it does make me look like an idiot.
What's more dangerous? For Margarito, I'd say the grind you out clubbing power.
BUT I can't decide what's going to happen in this fight... Margarito going down from body shots, Cotto getting wobbled, Cotto out boxing him, An all out war...
Only time will tell. And it's going to tell in about 10 hours.
I'm still sticking with my prediction, but I really have no idea what's going to happen. And there are a lot of things that can happen.
this fight isnt going the distance. margarito looked great in april, but he wasnt fighting the man at 147. i feel that cotto will find a way to win. that boy has got something special. he refuses to lose. cotto retains his abc soup titles and sets up a mega fight against paul the punisher williams. not that tonight isnt a big night, cause it is and i cant wait!!!!! cotto by decision 115.111 how bout that for a prediction.
:think:
here we goooooo, for all you margarito FANS lets see if you were right. All the talk about how margarito can beat floyd & how people keep ducking him. Me personally never saw the dangers of margarito, I hope tonight he can prove me wrong..........
i do see something that he can take advantage of & thats when cotto fights going back. Cotto cant fight going backwards (like margarito said in the interveiw).
shadio: true boxing fan
Very good point. This can make or break the fight for either one of them.
bigfnjoe96
July 26th, 2008, 06:47 PM
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kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 06:48 PM
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shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 06:50 PM
WOW, so far tonight the undercards are ALLLLLl great so far (all ko's). OK, margarito has now entered the building. COTTO getting boooooos when shown on the big screen so this means a big mexican crowd (oh boy). IM feelin pumped up right now for this fight.........posibly fight of the year folks.
shadio: true boxing fan
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Here ya go guys... ENJOY :cool:
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:dance: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.
bigfnjoe96
July 26th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Your Welcome, Your Welcome, Your Welcome.... :thumbsup:
korey1980
July 26th, 2008, 07:20 PM
WOW, so far tonight the undercards are ALLLLLl great so far (all ko's). OK, margarito has now entered the building. COTTO getting boooooos when shown on the big screen so this means a big mexican crowd (oh boy). IM feelin pumped up right now for this fight.........posibly fight of the year folks.
shadio: true boxing fan
Fight of the decade, buddy, DECADE!! This is a very, very, meaningful fight.
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 07:26 PM
^^^true, very true.............LORD HAVE MERCY the undercards have never been this brutal...dame good fight card folks..btw MEXICO IS IN THE BUILDING
wow
shadio: true boxing fan
korey1980
July 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
I couldnt expect anymore. Very good card. I honestly cannot think of a more meaningful main event in the last 10 years, that cannot and will not dissapoint. Have a fun night guys. I'm out, its about fight time
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 07:59 PM
They are up next. Its on.
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 08:01 PM
HOLLY HELLLlllll what a night...super bowl aint got nothin on this. woooooooooooooooooooooooooo it's on baby.
shadio: true boxing fan
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 08:03 PM
Any of you guys get nervous before a match is about to start?
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Any of you guys get nervous before a match is about to start?
lol, yessss....any real boxing fan has no choice but to have a bit of nerves before a big fight. lol, my friend is on his way over here tryin not to get into a accident. MAN IM PUMPED.....
shadio: true boxing fan
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Yeah, i get all pumped especilly when its a Mexican fighter. lol If he loses i just hope he goes down with a fight.
bigfnjoe96
July 26th, 2008, 08:12 PM
"Let's get ready 2 Rumble"....
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 08:14 PM
lol, yessss....any real boxing fan has no choice but to have a bit of nerves before a big fight. lol, my friend is on his way over here tryin not to get into a accident. MAN IM PUMPED.....
shadio: true boxing fan
Hope he doesn't miss it. Imagine how Cotto and Margarito are feeling. No thanks. I'll stick with watching it.
Yeah, i get all pumped especilly when its a Mexican fighter. lol If he loses i just hope he goes down with a fight.
I don't think he knows any other way kcxiv.
enjoy the fight guys, this is what it is all about.
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Good judges in my opinion.
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 08:16 PM
^^^yeah, im all for margarito tonight (for the first time in my life). I just want him to win this fight.....he's starting to grow on me big time. He's just a good feel for boxing right now since floyd left.
shadio: true boxing fan
korey1980
July 26th, 2008, 08:18 PM
lol, yessss....any real boxing fan has no choice but to have a bit of nerves before a big fight. lol, my friend is on his way over here tryin not to get into a accident. MAN IM PUMPED.....
shadio: true boxing fan
Yeah dude, my hands sweat like a mug, and I develope A.D.D? Anyone that talks to me gets the cold shoullder, cuz I dont pay attention to anything anyone is saying. I zone out
bigfnjoe96
July 26th, 2008, 08:23 PM
Excellent Rd. 1
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 08:26 PM
Margarito killed Cottos body in the 2nd round. wow.
bigfnjoe96
July 26th, 2008, 08:26 PM
holy F'n .........
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 08:30 PM
He's hitting Margarito, but i think Margarito is going to take Cotto's body out. Cotto has taken some hard shots to his gut.
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 08:47 PM
MARGARITI IS TOOOOO MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhh....ahhhhhhhhhh
shadio: true boxing fan
shad_moss93
July 26th, 2008, 09:01 PM
damn, cotto looks ****ed up
ray_glenn
July 26th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Wow! Fight of the Year candidate!!!
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 09:02 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.. ...
AAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
kooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
shadio: true boxing fan
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Magarito win with a knock out
bigfnjoe96
July 26th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Congrats Tornado, you earned that win.. The minute Cotto abandoned the Jab, the fight was over.....
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 09:04 PM
WOW!!! What a fight.
shad_moss93
July 26th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I know Magarito was a great fighter but I was going for cotto. I glad I did put money on the fight.
Charlie Murphy
July 26th, 2008, 09:05 PM
HELL YEAH! I knew Tony would do it! WELL DONE TONY! and I prediced correctly, said late KO :D :D :D I'm SO happy right now! :D
shad_moss93
July 26th, 2008, 09:07 PM
This was a good fight, hopefully a rematch will come down the road.
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I think the body shots in the 2nd round is what did it. Then he just kept building on that. Relentless pressure. He took BIG time shots and he acted like they didnt even touch him. Amazing chin.
reppa
July 26th, 2008, 09:12 PM
HELL YEAH! I knew Tony would do it! WELL DONE TONY! and I prediced correctly, said late KO :D :D :D I'm SO happy right now! :D
Nice call CM.
shadio3
July 26th, 2008, 09:16 PM
NO rematch....no rematch.....no match.....cotto is hurt realllllll bad tonight gentelmen. HE will not be the same after this fight (trust me). I hope he's OK. He was pounded inside & outside by some real damaged shots....
wowwwwwww...wow
shadio: true boxing fan
Mumra
July 26th, 2008, 09:17 PM
That's what I'm talking about....You can have boxing skills, Heart of a Champion and solid power, But when up against a fighter that has stamina, Power, Heart of a Champion, and most of all an Iron chin.
It's going to be a long night for you. Keegan kept saying Cotto would win this fight because of boxing skills. Cotto has that but when your up against a very good pressure fighter like Margarito who has great stamina and a Iron chin. It's going to give you serious problems in the ring.
I don't care how good you can box. You need to be able to hurt your opponent and if you cant hurt him. Then you sure as hell better have good defense that can last you all 12 rounds.
Both fighter's showed great heart and I liked both of them. And to be honest I'll pick both of those guy's to beat Mayweather. Which is why I think he retired to avoid fighting either of them.
PS: One big reason why Cotto couldnt make it out is because. Everytime he's been hurt in his fights his opponents didnt know how to finnish him off....Margarito did!
King-Of-Kings
July 26th, 2008, 09:19 PM
here we goooooo, for all you margarito FANS lets see if you were right. All the talk about how margarito can beat floyd & how people keep ducking him. Me personally never saw the dangers of margarito, I hope tonight he can prove me wrong..........
i do see something that he can take advantage of & thats when cotto fights going back. Cotto cant fight going backwards (like margarito said in the interveiw).
shadio: true boxing fan
lol me and u are both wrong about margarito.
I got to give banky credit because he was saying all along that margarito was something special and ive never saw that until tonight . What a great fight though...
Charlie Murphy
July 26th, 2008, 09:22 PM
Thanks Reppa, were you happy with the outcome man?
Shadio I agree, Cotto got badly busted up, even though I'm pleased Margarito won (I went CRAZY, its like 5am over here in England, woke my poor dad up where I was going so nuts lol) I do commend Cotto, he is a WARRIOR as is Margarito, hope he's ok, needs a good long rest after this, and as for Margarito well...I'm certain he'll take ALL of the Welterweight belts if he wants to.
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 09:23 PM
He has a damn titanium jaw. Most guys couldnt take hits like that. He didnt flinch or buckle once from Cottos shots. Margarito knew what he was doing THE WHOLE time. He went body body body body, slowed him down and easy pickings.
SmileForTheDevil
July 26th, 2008, 09:26 PM
O man i am filled with a whole bunch of feelings. Im happy ive just seen one of the best fights iv ever seen but im real bumed the dude i rooted for lost. I knew margarito had a chin but daaaaaaaaaaaaaam he didnt bend for a second from shots from who many ppl called at one point the best puncher in the divison. My hat goes off to him and hope cotto can ounce bak.
Mumra
July 26th, 2008, 09:44 PM
Magarito is just one of those guy's that get's stronger as the fight goes on. He waited and pick his shots and made them count. And im surprise how well he started to land towards the end on Cotto. Miguel Cotto was using his legs and the ring well.
It's hard to hit a moving target, But with enough pressure and body shot's. Things will start to look brighter for you.
When I swing by the barber shop this week I'll be collecting my money. Only me and two other cat's pick Margarito to win. Most cat's were sleeping on him because of how well Cotto looked in the ring against Judah and the guy from the contender show.
However I still think if it had went to a decesion the judges would have gave the fight to Cotto. I'm glad Margarito got the KO because winning a decesion over Cotto would have been tough. HBO said two judges had Margarito in the lead before the KO, But I wouldnt take my chances in Vegas.
Not when there a chance to see a Mayweather vs Cotto fight. With both fighters already being undifeted.
Fiction
July 26th, 2008, 10:12 PM
God Dang I'm good. I called 10 but 11 will do. Hahahahaha. Knew Marg would get him. I couldn't be happier. Too bad I had a black out during the fight. Next week will be a great week for me.
StopSnitchin
July 26th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Miguel who?
Charlie Murphy
July 26th, 2008, 10:16 PM
I had a black out too, I predicted Margarito would win by KO late in the fight, but I didn't actually say which round, I swear I'm not just saying this but I did think it'd end by round 11, so happy for Tony! :D
kcxiv
July 26th, 2008, 10:17 PM
Magarito is just one of those guy's that get's stronger as the fight goes on. He waited and pick his shots and made them count. And im surprise how well he started to land towards the end on Cotto. Miguel Cotto was using his legs and the ring well.
It's hard to hit a moving target, But with enough pressure and body shot's. Things will start to look brighter for you.
When I swing by the barber shop this week I'll be collecting my money. Only me and two other cat's pick Margarito to win. Most cat's were sleeping on him because of how well Cotto looked in the ring against Judah and the guy from the contender show.
However I still think if it had went to a decesion the judges would have gave the fight to Cotto. I'm glad Margarito got the KO because winning a decesion over Cotto would have been tough. HBO said two judges had Margarito in the lead before the KO, But I wouldnt take my chances in Vegas.
Not when there a chance to see a Mayweather vs Cotto fight. With both fighters already being undifeted.
Not so sure. 2 Judges had Margarito ahead and 1 was even. There would have been 2 more rounds to score the 11'th and the 12th. There is no way on earth that they would have gave Cotto that 11th had he survived.
Fiction
July 26th, 2008, 10:24 PM
I really feel great. Sad that I missed the actual live showing but great overall. The hungrier man that has been clamoring for that spot light got it. Man Marg you deserve it and hat's off to Cotto for being a great champ and facing a man that deserved the shot. The only thing that really blows is the fact that my boy Floyd won't come out of retirement now for that Mega Fight that could have been made with Cotto won't be nearly as big. Chances are slim to none that he'd want to square off with Marg off of a comfy retirement. Oh well we can't have it all can we.
coco_pr
July 26th, 2008, 11:05 PM
my godd , what a chin margarito has , cant believe he took all those punches and still got the win , margarito is true warrior , cotto should not be ashamed , he did fouth very well , still do not know why he dint go for margaritos bodys , i am from puerto rico , and my heart is w cotto , but really margarito is a phenomenom , great fight !!
nickelzdropdimes
July 26th, 2008, 11:37 PM
thats why it was hard for me to pick on this....and i barley stay neutral...Cotto seemed to be the obvious pick but Antonio has been literally walking down his opponents.and most of those guys were better boxers as well.....
the rds from 1 to 8 were predictable to me...but anything later i had to just watch and see.... this was an amazing fight....
i dont want to see margarito take too many more hits in his career...but he will.....
as for cotto...maybe he got a bit cocky too early...he boxed just about right and did what he was supposed to do....but antonio just kept coming and pounding..(ouch!).....i dont think he'll be asking for a rematch anytime soon...
but kudos to probably the best fight of the year......unless the judah/clottey war gets ugly...
ray_glenn
July 26th, 2008, 11:44 PM
I had my money on Margarito but as late as the 7th round I was kicking myself for going with him, against the Vegas odds. Cotto soundly outboxed him for most of the first six rounds.
Cotto just started fading towards the second half of the fight when it seemed like nothing he threw could hurt Margarito. The guy took some unbelievable hits and kept coming forward for more. Margarito was pretty sloppy with his punching, but boy did he got the job done. All the fight seemed drained out of Cotto's body in that 11th round.
kcxiv
July 27th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Cotto is a betteer boxer we all seen it, but Tony has the heart of a champion and a chin of steele. Just beucase your the better boxer doesnt guarantee the win. He just wore Cotto down and went to work. He fought the way he knows how. He is what they call a PRIZE FIGHTER. Pun intended. :)
reppa
July 27th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Margarito and Cotto are the definition of the word fighter. What we seen tonight.......that's boxing. Our sport would be back on top if we had more fighters like this. One's that define the meaning of the sport and what it is to be a fighter.
shadio3
July 27th, 2008, 12:19 AM
i had to step out for a while (to excited), but fights like this are very dangerous. Cotto is really hurt folks (body, mind, & soul). Alot of fighters dont come back from beatings like this (think back to chavez vs taylor). This fight reminded me of the chavez /taylor fight where the harder punches were landed & taylor never came back the same (shame on ref letting it go so long). LISEN, cotto (god bless his soul) will not be the same after this fight im tellin you........
IM HAPPY. IM HAPPY, IM HAPPYYYyyyyyy............margarito showed me alottttt tonight brotha. He was also way taller tonight for some reason, or maby im drinking to much. WOW, Wow what a freakin fight.......i personally dont like to see brutal fights like this because the fighters family are the ones who suffer the most, but dame good fight.
margarito for president....he gained a new fan tonight.
shadio: true boxing fan
coco_pr
July 27th, 2008, 07:45 AM
the fight that i want to see now is tito vs margarito , that would be a great fight, margarito and tito have the same style , tito said that he want to fight in december , hope for this fight , tito tito titoooooooo
xxl76904
July 27th, 2008, 08:31 AM
man oh man, as i watched the fight unfold last night i told my buddy corey that cotto was blowing too much energy getting on his bycicle. its much easier for a man to walk forward then to get on your toes and back peddle. i was worried he was going to run out of gas a la PoPo Freitas against Chico Corrales. in that fight popo was winning big until he finally got tired of running and corrales tapped that ***. it was a great fight last night, but how many of you noticed cottos biggest mistake? cotto went to the body only a few times the entire fight. you would think someone in his corner would have said something to him. when you hit a man with everything you have, in combonations, and he still comes forward without hesitation then you need to change your plans and bank on the body. big ups to margarito whom i think a lot of peeps ducked, especially floyd mayweather!!!! who hasnt floyd ducked in each of his divisions??? did he fight costya at 140? did he fight margarito at 147? he fought chico at 130, ill give him that, but that was the last time he fought the best in the division for his title.
coco_pr
July 27th, 2008, 12:29 PM
i agree with you , cotto biggest mistake was not going for margaritos body , big mistake , margartito took all those punches to the face and he did not back down , he is like a robot!
i want to see tito trinidad and margarito in a ring !!!
coco_pr
July 27th, 2008, 12:46 PM
yes that was cotto big mistake , not going to margaritos body , margarito took all those punches to the head and he dint back down that man is a robot , !! i would want to see tito trinidad and margarito in a ring , that would be a great fight also ,
i am already chanting tito tito titooooo !!!
Da Mad Gamer
July 27th, 2008, 12:54 PM
This is one tough fight to pick but I have to go with Margarito by TKO in 11. Cotto just seems to break the will of most fighters because he's relentless with his hard body punching and strength, but in Margarito I think he will finally meet a fighter that he CAN'T break down, a fighter that will take all he can dish out and then some. A fighter that's gonna put a ton of pressure on him and try to break HIS will. This is gonna be a classic battle with both men landing brutal punches on each other but I just think in the end that Tony will prove to tough too handle, even for a fighter like Cotto. I think he finally wears Cotto down late and stops him in the 11th round of an all out war.
Talk about an on the money prediction! WOW!! Props to you Sampson because the fight happened exactly as you said it would!!! You should be a prophet dude!!!!! Damn!!
nickelzdropdimes
July 27th, 2008, 01:57 PM
good pick in 11 sampson...indeed!
championship rds are hard picks in tight matches.......and this match wasnt giving any clear edges to either fighters....
this was one goood fight....glad i saw it
1nytech1
July 27th, 2008, 02:22 PM
Man MargDorito sent 'junito' to the hospital. nothing serious though its just because swelling. they said he was in tears in the locker saying that he hoped he gave the fans a good fight.
You certainly did Miguel you sure did.
Fight of the Decade!!!!
reppa
July 27th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Man MargDorito sent 'junito' to the hospital. nothing serious though its just because swelling. they said he was in tears in the locker saying that he hoped he gave the fans a good fight.
You certainly did Miguel you sure did.
Fight of the Decade!!!!
You see.........that stuff right there. That is a fighter. You can tell he respects the sport, his opponents and his fans. We need more fighters like Cotto and Marg.
King-Of-Kings
July 28th, 2008, 06:53 AM
You see.........that stuff right there. That is a fighter. You can tell he respects the sport, his opponents and his fans. We need more fighters like Cotto and Marg.
indeed reppa, and to be honest i know cotto took a beating but i thought he was just fine after the fight and was a good sport .
Some say a rematch is no good but i for one think a rematch would be great because it was a very close fight. If i were cotto the next time around i would concentrate more body shots because as we can see margarito chin is rock solid .
Cotto probably threw 5 or 6 body shots the whole fight ? That isnt cotto and i think he would be in much better shape if he stuck to his gameplan with stick and moving but throwing more bombs to the body.
Goodfella2279
July 28th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Great great great fight. God, it's rare that a fight not only lives up to it's billing, but actually felt like it was worth more than $50 bucks after watching it. I think Dan Rafael from ESPN said it best when he said that it's fights like this that make watching all those crappy fights worth it. It was intense from the opening bell, both guys had their moments, and in the end it was a decisive finish and the ascension (finally) of Magarito as one of the very best in the sport. I was rooting for Cotto, as I've been a huge Cotto fan since early in his career, but I'm also a Magarito fan and you couldn't help but feel great for him as he finally got his due. It took forever, but finally the boxing world recognizes just how excellent he is. I don't think Margarito's human. He's some kind of robot or something becuase he took some huge shots from Cotto and just basically shrugged them off. I do definitely agree that Cotto had a bad strategy in the fight in that he basically neglected the body, which was the only possible way he could have slowed Magarito down. But Miguel still looked very fast and sharp early on. This fight basically was Chavez vs. Taylor for the new millenium (as stated above). Cotto won the early rounds, but Margarito kept banging him with huge shots and eventually Cotto couldn't take it anymore.
I am concerned that after such a brutal loss that Cotto will never be the same. In my opinion both men elevated their status as boxing's best and I would definitely pay to see a rematch, but I just hope that Miguel takes the loss and uses it as motivation to become an even better fighter. He definitely shouldn't fight Margarito again right away. He should take a couple of tune up fights and then possibly look to a rematch. As far as Margarito, I want to see him avenge his loss to Williams (which I think he will in devestating fashion should him and Paul fight again) but I don't really want to see him fight Oscar because there is nothing in De La Hoya's arsenal that makes me think he will stand any sort of chance against Margarito. But I do want to see
Antonio get some well deserved big pay days. But what a great night for boxing and boxing fans.
Charlie Murphy
July 28th, 2008, 09:07 AM
I take my hat off to Miguel Cotto for being such a warrior and for playing his part in such a special fight with Antonio Margarito, I love both guys and wish them both success in the future. I can't believe what I've just read on boxingBB.com, some FOOL actually thinks Oscar De La Hoya punches harder than Miguel Cotto and that he could stop Margarito.....:rotfl: that would just NEVER happen, not even when Oscar was in his prime, he may have beaten Margarito on points, but NEVER by stoppage or KO, at this time in Oscar's career fighting Margarito would be like a Meerkat trying to kill a Lion (don't get me wrong, Oscar is one of the all time greats and I'm a fan of his, but he's past it now) but they the fight probably won't happen which is good for Oscar.
nickelzdropdimes
July 28th, 2008, 04:02 PM
indeed reppa, and to be honest i know cotto took a beating but i thought he was just fine after the fight and was a good sport .
Some say a rematch is no good but i for one think a rematch would be great because it was a very close fight. If i were cotto the next time around i would concentrate more body shots because as we can see margarito chin is rock solid .
Cotto probably threw 5 or 6 body shots the whole fight ? That isnt cotto and i think he would be in much better shape if he stuck to his gameplan with stick and moving but throwing more bombs to the body.
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Kings, i want to agree with you but he gotta try and end it quick....he cant go far with Margarito....
those body shots are nothing to come back to.....but i do think they may fight again...just not that quick...these chiefs gotta keep these boxers healthy...and i dont think i've ever seen Cotto take hits this way.....geeez
i'll wait for the replay next week.
kudos to both fighters...big time
AntDawg
July 28th, 2008, 05:12 PM
Dang I missed out on all the fun in this section...I wouldn't have said Margarito by Ko as well. Its funny to me though because Cotto just quit...the man has no heart. His legs movement wasn't good...so many errors in the way Cotto was fighting Saturday. This should have been an easy fight for him..oh well I guess hes overrated as I thought.
AntDawg
July 28th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Oh and for the people that were saying his chin looked good at 147...he got hurt by Zab Judah.
shadio3
July 28th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Dang I missed out on all the fun in this section...I wouldn't have said Margarito by Ko as well. Its funny to me though because Cotto just quit...the man has no heart. His legs movement wasn't good...so many errors in the way Cotto was fighting Saturday. This should have been an easy fight for him..oh well I guess hes overrated as I thought.
WHATTTtt....HOW in the HELL did cotto not show heart. Cotto showed to much heart for his own good bra. He was beatin up very badly from in INSIDE OUT. When a person gets it beatin out of them, thats when your body has no choice but to drop. When a big man like tony wails on you for 11 rd's it takes a toll. COTTO has heart for even stepping in the ring at ALL with tony......your funny
lol, casual fans..
shadio: true boxing fan
reppa
July 28th, 2008, 10:19 PM
indeed reppa, and to be honest i know cotto took a beating but i thought he was just fine after the fight and was a good sport .
Some say a rematch is no good but i for one think a rematch would be great because it was a very close fight. If i were cotto the next time around i would concentrate more body shots because as we can see margarito chin is rock solid .
Cotto probably threw 5 or 6 body shots the whole fight ? That isnt cotto and i think he would be in much better shape if he stuck to his gameplan with stick and moving but throwing more bombs to the body.
Good points. I was expecting an all out body attack by Cotto. I liked Cotto's gameplan. I love how he was steeping out to the left after Marg pressured him to the ropes. This is where I was expecting a left hook to the body to come in. As he was stepping out. I didn't think Cotto could fight going backwards, but I was wrong.
I take my hat off to Miguel Cotto for being such a warrior and for playing his part in such a special fight with Antonio Margarito, I love both guys and wish them both success in the future. I can't believe what I've just read on boxingBB.com, some FOOL actually thinks Oscar De La Hoya punches harder than Miguel Cotto and that he could stop Margarito.....:rotfl: that would just NEVER happen, not even when Oscar was in his prime, he may have beaten Margarito on points, but NEVER by stoppage or KO, at this time in Oscar's career fighting Margarito would be like a Meerkat trying to kill a Lion (don't get me wrong, Oscar is one of the all time greats and I'm a fan of his, but he's past it now) but they the fight probably won't happen which is good for Oscar.
CM, yeah there are alot of idiots out there. ESPN boxing board is another place full of morons. I would love to see a Marg/DLH fight. I think Oscar would get beat up pretty bad though. I am a fan of Oscar, but like you said, he's past it. Well at least on that level.
I think Cotto showed a world of heart. But like shadio said, it got beaten out of him. Cotto had heart till the end. Actually his heart never gave out.........it was his will and that's what Margarito broke. Yeah Marg is just something else. I just don't see anyone standing toe to toe with him and beating him. He may get beat by a slick boxer that runs most of the fight, but IMO (and a lot of others) that's not boxing. What we seen on Saturday is Boxing.
payton#34
July 28th, 2008, 10:49 PM
I think Cotto was leery of Margarito's uppercut and that's why he didn't go to the body as much. I don't think Cotto wanted to pay the price for getting inside, especially when he was easily winning on the outside the first half of the fight. Staying inside to long against Margarito would've gotten him knocked out a lot earlier.
korey1980
July 28th, 2008, 11:21 PM
You see.........that stuff right there. That is a fighter. You can tell he respects the sport, his opponents and his fans. We need more fighters like Cotto and Marg.
Exactly, its about time, finally some of the elite fighters show some class. Pun intended, stay retired ***weather.
korey1980
July 28th, 2008, 11:38 PM
Great great great fight. God, it's rare that a fight not only lives up to it's billing, but actually felt like it was worth more than $50 bucks after watching it. I think Dan Rafael from ESPN said it best when he said that it's fights like this that make watching all those crappy fights worth it. It was intense from the opening bell, both guys had their moments, and in the end it was a decisive finish and the ascension (finally) of Magarito as one of the very best in the sport. I was rooting for Cotto, as I've been a huge Cotto fan since early in his career, but I'm also a Magarito fan and you couldn't help but feel great for him as he finally got his due. It took forever, but finally the boxing world recognizes just how excellent he is. I don't think Margarito's human. He's some kind of robot or something becuase he took some huge shots from Cotto and just basically shrugged them off. I do definitely agree that Cotto had a bad strategy in the fight in that he basically neglected the body, which was the only possible way he could have slowed Magarito down. But Miguel still looked very fast and sharp early on. This fight basically was Chavez vs. Taylor for the new millenium (as stated above). Cotto won the early rounds, but Margarito kept banging him with huge shots and eventually Cotto couldn't take it anymore.
I am concerned that after such a brutal loss that Cotto will never be the same. In my opinion both men elevated their status as boxing's best and I would definitely pay to see a rematch, but I just hope that Miguel takes the loss and uses it as motivation to become an even better fighter. He definitely shouldn't fight Margarito again right away. He should take a couple of tune up fights and then possibly look to a rematch. As far as Margarito, I want to see him avenge his loss to Williams (which I think he will in devestating fashion should him and Paul fight again) but I don't really want to see him fight Oscar because there is nothing in De La Hoya's arsenal that makes me think he will stand any sort of chance against Margarito. But I do want to see
Antonio get some well deserved big pay days. But what a great night for boxing and boxing fans.
I too am worried about the punishment Cotto took having a very negative impact on his career. Look at Jeff Lacy nowadays, he is not even close to what he was before he faught Calzaghe. He's gone from a top super-middleweight to a guy that cant beat "contenders" convincingly. I hope Cotto continues on successfully, and didnt leave everything he had in the ring Saturday night.
shadio3
July 29th, 2008, 12:53 AM
cotto could fight going backwards, but he's not good going backwards because he gets no leverage on his punches. Notice how he was catchin magarito with some clean shots, but those shots really felt like soft jabs because cotto never really had his footing in placement to get his power off (smart margarito). So basicly if he did go to tonys body it would have set up for cleaner head shots for tony. I saw in margaritos face that he had cotto in the 3rd rd (he knew cotto couldent hurt him by his smile).
Also margarito is a FREAK (like williams). He's like 6 tall & 140 weight (whatttttt). How in bloody hell does he make that high school weight of 140 (werent we born at 140 lol). So this fight was like a MAN againts a small boy in some ways. Perfect fight for marg & perfect opportunity for his shine. Cotto is NOT a true boxer fighter, he depends on his power & those power body shots & pressure. HE fled backwards the WHOLE dame fight, sometimes running back while taking heavy body shot from tony (to much). The ref is a idiot for letting marg beat on this 25 year old kid for so many more rd's.
i say again, cotto WILL NOT come back the same fighter we once knew. HE was broken up last night people. There is no vacation that can fix his soul & body. Cotto left everything in the ring & in that very ring is where it will stay (shame his family had to see this). I saw shots landed that had his HEAD & body red marked (very dangerous). Also margarito landed shots to the back of his head.....i wont be surprised to hear cotto retire.
shadio: true boxing fan
kcxiv
July 29th, 2008, 01:43 AM
cotto could fight going backwards, but he's not good going backwards because he gets no leverage on his punches. Notice how he was catchin magarito with some clean shots, but those shots really felt like soft jabs because cotto never really had his footing in placement to get his power off (smart margarito). So basicly if he did go to tonys body it would have set up for cleaner head shots for tony. I saw in margaritos face that he had cotto in the 3rd rd (he knew cotto couldent hurt him by his smile).
Also margarito is a FREAK (like williams). He's like 6 tall & 140 weight (whatttttt). How in bloody hell does he make that high school weight of 140 (werent we born at 140 lol). So this fight was like a MAN againts a small boy in some ways. Perfect fight for marg & perfect opportunity for his shine. Cotto is NOT a true boxer fighter, he depends on his power & those power body shots & pressure. HE fled backwards the WHOLE dame fight, sometimes running back while taking heavy body shot from tony (to much). The ref is a idiot for letting marg beat on this 25 year old kid for so many more rd's.
i say again, cotto WILL NOT come back the same fighter we once knew. HE was broken up last night people. There is no vacation that can fix his soul & body. Cotto left everything in the ring & in that very ring is where it will stay (shame his family had to see this). I saw shots landed that had his HEAD & body red marked (very dangerous). Also margarito landed shots to the back of his head.....i wont be surprised to hear cotto retire.
shadio: true boxing fan
Tony looked skinnier then Cotto though. Someone said they measured the same, but Cotto just looked thicker.
Anyways, it was that 2nd round. Cotto was hurt that early in the fight from a body shot. Take a look at 150 or so left in the round. Margarito hit him with a massive body shot that send Cotto into the ropes. He sat on them ropes because he was about to fall imo. I think from that point on Cotto said there is no way i can trade shots with this guy all night long. He just was NOT able to get inside. Look at Marg's defense around his body. He always had his elbows tucked in tight. WHen he would back up, he covered up his body NOT his face.
People say Margarito doesnt have the boxing skill and to some extent that may be true, but he knew exactly what he was doing going into this fight. He knew exactly how to win. What one it for him was his experience and imo outsmarted Cotto.
People were saying ooh Cotto was throwing the better punches. Go look at the fight agian and look at how many clean body shots Tony hit Cotto with. You could hear the shots thumping. I have seen the fight i kid you not about 4-5 times now. It was just a beautiful gameplay by Tony.
King-Of-Kings
July 29th, 2008, 06:12 AM
Did you guys notice how easy margarito was landing those bursts of uppercuts on cotto by the ropes ? They were like 3 in a row or even 4 and cotto would just stay at that spot and guard up when i was thinking he was going to to take just 1 of them and throw hard body shots to that side where its open due to marg throwing the uppercut but not cotto just stood in there at times which hurt him.
korey1980
July 29th, 2008, 08:29 AM
Did you guys notice how easy margarito was landing those bursts of uppercuts on cotto by the ropes ? They were like 3 in a row or even 4 and cotto would just stay at that spot and guard up when i was thinking he was going to to take just 1 of them and throw hard body shots to that side where its open due to marg throwing the uppercut but not cotto just stood in there at times which hurt him.
Throwing body shots off the ropes is not smart, becase it leaves your head open for anything and everything upstairs. He wouldve gotten caught if he wouldve tried to fight off the ropes. He shouldve just kept his back off the ropes(easy for me to say). Margarito's strength advantage was evident from the 2nd round on, and I just think he had an answer for anything Cotto could possibly bring to the table. I'm gonna go on record, and say the loss to Williams was a complete fluke, and that Margarito will not lose again until he is past his best in 5 or so years. I pity whoever he fights next.
korey1980
July 29th, 2008, 08:36 AM
Oh yeah, and Dela Hoya should not fight Margarito if he wants to keep his good looks in tact, cuz Margo will cut him to pieces. I hope it happens though, for the sake of Margaritos bank account, he deserves a fat *** paycheck like that.
nickelzdropdimes
July 29th, 2008, 09:26 AM
thats why its called the "sweet science"...you could have all the skills in the world and still come up short.
Hoya is into money nowadays....so it'll take alot of the peoples attention for that to happen...
but both fighters being mexican should be enough for interests..but i think it wont be that easy...unless hoya still thinks he has somn to prove....
i had a good idea (which prolly wont happen)..i think it should go like this
Margarito vs. Mayweather (hey im dreaming here!)
Cotto vs. Hoya...(which is more realistic....but yeah im dreaming again...)
then the 2 winners of the fites go for undisputed rights...then retires.....lol
hey...anything can happen....
kcxiv
July 29th, 2008, 09:54 AM
Did you guys notice how easy margarito was landing those bursts of uppercuts on cotto by the ropes ? They were like 3 in a row or even 4 and cotto would just stay at that spot and guard up when i was thinking he was going to to take just 1 of them and throw hard body shots to that side where its open due to marg throwing the uppercut but not cotto just stood in there at times which hurt him.
I dont think he could have thrown them hooks to the body. Margs keep his body away when he throws punches. Cotto could not afford to get caught with a uppercut while trying to throw body shots.
korey1980
July 29th, 2008, 10:27 AM
I dont think he could have thrown them hooks to the body. Margs keep his body away when he throws punches. Cotto could not afford to get caught with a uppercut while trying to throw body shots.
True, thats why guys like margarito and cotto pose such a tremendous threat to mayweather, the give themselves enough room to punch inside without allowing clinches by getting to close or lunging in too far ala Hatton.
AntDawg
July 29th, 2008, 01:17 PM
WHATTTtt....HOW in the HELL did cotto not show heart. Cotto showed to much heart for his own good bra. He was beatin up very badly from in INSIDE OUT. When a person gets it beatin out of them, thats when your body has no choice but to drop. When a big man like tony wails on you for 11 rd's it takes a toll. COTTO has heart for even stepping in the ring at ALL with tony......your funny
lol, casual fans..
shadio: true boxing fan All the guys I see that have heart continue and survive man. He shouldn't been getting hit in the first place by someone so slow. If he had the footwork and stamina like Mayweather he would have never have been in that situation in the first place. Anyways I hope he fights Clottey again because Clottey was whooping him till he broke his hand.
AntDawg
July 29th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Oh yea when Cotto would get stuck on the robes all he had to do was grab the man instead of just getting hit like a sitting duck.
nickelzdropdimes
July 29th, 2008, 01:39 PM
hey ant dawg...i wish it was that easy all the time...you would make total sense....but it isnt
cotto did everything rite and just ran out of gas in THE 11TH.......he had his first loss in the championship rds...that says alot about his heart....
he got beaten...plain and simple...and he made no excuses
the average guy wouldnt make it past 2...especially if you were throwing the way cotto threw
AntDawg
July 29th, 2008, 02:06 PM
hey ant dawg...i wish it was that easy all the time...you would make total sense....but it isnt
cotto did everything rite and just ran out of gas in THE 11TH.......he had his first loss in the championship rds...that says alot about his heart....
he got beaten...plain and simple...and he made no excuses
the average guy wouldnt make it past 2...especially if you were throwing the way cotto threwYea but if you supposed to be the best you can't just run out of gas. The fact that he knelled down makes it so much worse. He should have won easily. He needs to work on his footwork because it didn't look so good. Btw Cotto didn't throw a lot....Margarito threw more than he did.
kcxiv
July 29th, 2008, 02:31 PM
I dont think Marg is that slow. He's not as fast as Cotto was, but he's not that slow. Ask Cotto's body. They did a interview with him in PR and he said he did EVERYTHIng he could possibly do and it wasnt enough. He said he couldnt get to the body. He goes, you dont think i wanted too, i just couldnt. Once he felt that hook in the 2nd round to the body that sent him sitting on the ropes. Plan A was abandoned.
AntDawg
July 29th, 2008, 02:47 PM
I dont think Marg is that slow. He's not as fast as Cotto was, but he's not that slow. Ask Cotto's body. They did a interview with him in PR and he said he did EVERYTHIng he could possibly do and it wasnt enough. He said he couldnt get to the body. He goes, you dont think i wanted too, i just couldnt. Once he felt that hook in the 2nd round to the body that sent him sitting on the ropes. Plan A was abandoned. If thats all he had then thats sad. I mean come on P Williams beat Margarito. Clottey exposed Margarito...See what I'm getting at?
korey1980
July 29th, 2008, 03:06 PM
If thats all he had then thats sad. I mean come on P Williams beat Margarito. Clottey exposed Margarito...See what I'm getting at?
Exposed Margarito in what way? In that he can lose a few rounds to a guy with superior hand speed, that is quick on his feet? That is a given, not an exploit.
korey1980
July 29th, 2008, 03:23 PM
If thats all he had then thats sad. I mean come on P Williams beat Margarito. Clottey exposed Margarito...See what I'm getting at?
If thats all he had then thats sad? Thats a stupid statement, the guy fought 11 tough rounds, and got beaten up badly. Paul Williams got lucky, and caught Margarito on an off night. He should try to beat him again.
kcxiv
July 29th, 2008, 03:58 PM
If thats all he had then thats sad. I mean come on P Williams beat Margarito. Clottey exposed Margarito...See what I'm getting at?
Cottey still lost and P Williams didnt do to much to Marg who got off to a slow start. I jsut watched the last half of that Clottey fight, and they were asking him going into the 11th round if he wanted to continue. He didnt have much left in the tank either. Marg has good power and insane stamina. He can take a hit and keeps moving forward. Thats his game. He doesnt need all the skill of other boxers because his chin and his stam make up for it.
AntDawg
July 29th, 2008, 04:35 PM
Cottey still lost and P Williams didnt do to much to Marg who got off to a slow start. I jsut watched the last half of that Clottey fight, and they were asking him going into the 11th round if he wanted to continue. He didnt have much left in the tank either. Marg has good power and insane stamina. He can take a hit and keeps moving forward. Thats his game. He doesnt need all the skill of other boxers because his chin and his stam make up for it.
The guy broke is hand though... He was winning the fight easy till he broke his hand and still hung in there.
nickelzdropdimes
July 29th, 2008, 04:36 PM
bottom line margarito is a beast....
some say paul williams got lucky ...maybe he did....but he fought really hard in that fight. his battle plan mirrors much of cotto...he just barely pulled it off....and he knocked tony to the floor in that fight......a rarity
Cotto fought well ....but IMO he should have save some of his energy for the later rds. i think he saw that he was connecting pretty easy early and didnt think it would go as far as he thought.... he basically didnt underestimate until the fight start.
Margarito's last couple of fights showed me he's a tough guy and a tougher spirit.....but now he's in the big lights ...let see how he handles up.......he needs more defense
AntDawg
July 29th, 2008, 04:39 PM
If thats all he had then thats sad? Thats a stupid statement, the guy fought 11 tough rounds, and got beaten up badly. Paul Williams got lucky, and caught Margarito on an off night. He should try to beat him again. Well it is though....I bet Mayweather wouldn't have gotten hit so much and faded in the late rounds..
nickelzdropdimes
July 29th, 2008, 05:45 PM
nobody ever chased mayweather around...they all mostly faced him up and lost...
just to play devils advocate
mayweather is slick but his last couple of wins has shown a few clinks in his armor..the problem is people get close but no cigar. a very smart and quick fighter..
and seriously who has floyd ever went shot for shot with?....he picks shots then keeps it moving.
i think zab judah was the closest we'll see as far as styles that can beat him ...
can margarito walk thru floyd same way he did Cotto?......i dont know but its possible
AntDawg
July 30th, 2008, 11:30 AM
nobody ever chased mayweather around...they all mostly faced him up and lost...
just to play devils advocate
mayweather is slick but his last couple of wins has shown a few clinks in his armor..the problem is people get close but no cigar. a very smart and quick fighter..
and seriously who has floyd ever went shot for shot with?....he picks shots then keeps it moving.
i think zab judah was the closest we'll see as far as styles that can beat him ...
can margarito walk thru floyd same way he did Cotto?......i dont know but its possible
Baldimir chased him but Mayweather was just waaaaaaaaaaay to fast for him and frustrated him. Hes a guy who also could take a punch. Oh and you must have not watched Mayweather in his earlier career. He with toe to toe with guys. Last guy he went toe to toe with was Gatti.
kcxiv
July 30th, 2008, 11:38 AM
I think Cotto hots harder then Mayweather and even possibly Margarito. Marg just has a iron face. lol
Croman513
July 30th, 2008, 11:51 AM
Yea man, his face must be made of adamantium, that stuff that wolverine is made outta lol
I always known Cotto to be a heavy hitter... sheesh
AntDawg
July 30th, 2008, 11:57 AM
Heres Chavez who just kept coming forward on Mayweather. That was indeed a war.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fco0PmJX8bw&feature=related
nickelzdropdimes
July 30th, 2008, 02:29 PM
oh yes i have followed mayweather in his early times...and he did what he had to do
but we are talking about the now polished mayweather...which isnt much different than his early years..but he's more deadlier now
heres my point.....with mayweather he's straight tactic...he uses speed and points to his greatest advantange. he dosent play this whose stronger than who game....never braun, all smarts....and that chavez fight is proof... he was already winning on the cards so chavez had no choice but to chase..its a bit of cat n mouse from that perspective....which leads to mayweather capitalizing on his offense...he's quick enough to do it.....its more a mind game when compared to the Cotto/Margorito fight....
you see most of the fighters (including baldomir) were stronger punchers than floyd..even gatti was stronger than floyd. so i wouldnt say that they were chasing .....but he led them...into a trap.
nickelzdropdimes
July 30th, 2008, 02:43 PM
and please dont take this as a knock towards floyd the great.......he's very elusive and does what it takes to win fights....cant argue with that!
AntDawg
July 30th, 2008, 05:23 PM
oh yes i have followed mayweather in his early times...and he did what he had to do
but we are talking about the now polished mayweather...which isnt much different than his early years..but he's more deadlier now
heres my point.....with mayweather he's straight tactic...he uses speed and points to his greatest advantange. he dosent play this whose stronger than who game....never braun, all smarts....and that chavez fight is proof... he was already winning on the cards so chavez had no choice but to chase..its a bit of cat n mouse from that perspective....which leads to mayweather capitalizing on his offense...he's quick enough to do it.....its more a mind game when compared to the Cotto/Margorito fight....
you see most of the fighters (including baldomir) were stronger punchers than floyd..even gatti was stronger than floyd. so i wouldnt say that they were chasing .....but he led them...into a trap.
I agree with everything you said except the Baldomir and Gatti being stronger.
shadio3
July 30th, 2008, 08:02 PM
did you hear what teddy atlas said tonight about the cotto/marg fight, he said COtTO WaS BRokeN in that fight (same thing i said). There is no room to explain how & why cotto didnt do this & that, he was just plain to small for marg. Marg was just to big, to strong, to powerfull & to much of a freak fighter for cotto to deal with. Cotto the 25 year old is now 40 years old in boxing years after this bangout war. It was just a RAW uncut BEATDOWN that might have possible killed him ..........those of you who ask for a rematch it just aint gonna happen.
shadio: true boxing fan
reppa
July 30th, 2008, 11:43 PM
did you hear what teddy atlas said tonight about the cotto/marg fight, he said COtTO WaS BRokeN in that fight (same thing i said). There is no room to explain how & why cotto didnt do this & that, he was just plain to small for marg. Marg was just to big, to strong, to powerfull & to much of a freak fighter for cotto to deal with. Cotto the 25 year old is now 40 years old in boxing years after this bangout war. It was just a RAW uncut BEATDOWN that might have possible killed him ..........those of you who ask for a rematch it just aint gonna happen.
shadio: true boxing fan
Sure did. I remember you saying that. I have to agree looking back on the fight that Marg was just too big. And I don't think a rematch is going to happen either. Well at least it shouldn't happen. So where does Cotto go from here? I mean what is he going to really look like in his next fight. Sometimes you can't come back from wars like that. Well you can, but you're not the same.
korey1980
July 31st, 2008, 07:34 PM
I mean what is he going to really look like in his next fight?
Fernando Vargas. A young fighter, who's battles have caught up to him, and he fights like a much older, or maybe even like a shot fighter. I hope not, but it is a great possibility.
reppa
July 31st, 2008, 09:04 PM
Fernando Vargas. A young fighter, who's battles have caught up to him, and he fights like a much older, or maybe even like a shot fighter. I hope not, but it is a great possibility.
That's a good example. It's something that's not really talked about as much as it should be. It's obvious a fighter just loses something in certain tough battles. But then we have those that go against that theory. Like Corrales, Vazquez, Marquez, etc.........or is it that it hasn't caught up to them yet. This has already been mentioned (can't remember by who), but Cotto went to that place or his limit if you want to call it that. We will have to see what it took out of Cotto, but I'm wondering how many fighters are able or should I say willing to go to that place again if they have to and push through or is that there limit. I'm sure that didn't make any sense. I don't know how else to explain. lol. Sorry guys.
Charlie Murphy
August 2nd, 2008, 07:38 AM
I think the loss would've taken a lot out of Cotto and I personally think he should take the rest of the year off, a rematch DOES NOT need to happen, I don't think there's anyway Cotto can beat Margarito, he can't knock him out, he can't outbox him for 12 rounds, it's just not gonna happen, once Margarito unifies the 147 division he may move back up to 154, then I believe Cotto will once again rule the division, the only people I see being problems for Cotto are Clottey and Williams.